They’re children, not gang members

Sandusky Register Staff
Oct 2, 2013
Thirteen teenagers — children — are charged with participating in criminal gang activity, aggravated rioting, burglary and vandalism for their alleged actions during a brawl inside a hallway at a Fox Run Trail apartment building last month.

There are photos of the boys with their shirts off, throwing their hands in the air.

The Sandusky Police Department and prosecutors determined it was a “gang turf war.”

There’s a video clip from a surveillance camera, scaring the good people of Erie County into an anti-young-black-male frenzy.

Welcome to “The Erie County Threat Matrix.” It’s a place where they think if they repeat words like gang, youth, assailants and dangerous — often enough — residents will be too scared to realize Erie County is preparing to send up their children.

It would be better if we could see this for what it really was: A fight between teenagers and about a dozen men that started over a basketball game. It resulted in the vandalism of a hallway. There were no serious injuries.

But 13 city teens are charged with participating in criminal gang activity, a second-degree felony, and aggravated rioting. It was just a fight, not much different from the schoolyard fights that have occurred every day for generations.

The charges that resulted can bring serious prison sentences, however, which will have serious impact on the children involved, diminishing their opportunities to build a normal life. For what? Actions that really don’t deserve any charges more serious than a misdemeanor assault, disorderly conduct or vandalism.

It’s ridiculous.

There’s no precedent in Erie County for the kind of charges filed against these kids.

The Hell’s Angels and the Outlaws operated here for years. No threat warnings went out. Erie County did not go to DefconFive, and no members of those groups were ever charged with participating in criminal gang activity or aggravated rioting for a brawl.

There was never an effort to address the so-called “gang problem,” even after the murder of David Hartlaub by members of the Hell’s Angels in 1988.

So why are officials handling these children differently?

Could it be “gangs” are not the issue?

Every Bike Week, each year, we get an influx of gangs sporting their colors on the back of their vest. These gangs have been responsible for brawls, other criminal activities and murder. Yet the county never addressed any gang problem in those situations.

Is it simply the complexion of the gangs has changed? If not, then why now? Why these kids? Why bring such serious charges against kids over an incident that resulted in no serious injuries, resulted in only minor property damage, didn’t involve a firearm, and put no innocent people in danger?

I’ve witnessed plenty of what can be considered “gang turf wars” in parking lots of bars throughout the city, and the gangsinvolved were not always comprised of black males. Yeah, surprise — young and old caucasian males are known to “brawl” as well, yet I can only remember black people being charged with aggravated rioting.

Has a caucasian ever been charged with aggravated rioting in Erie County, or are charges like participating in criminal gang activity and aggravated rioting reserved for Erie County’s African-American population?

What makes these Sandusky boys a criminal gang? They don’t have a drug empire. They don’t extort local business owners. They’re not a terrorist cell. What criminal activity do they come together as a group and collectively plan and execute?

It would better serve the community to approach the potential incarceration of our children with extreme care, as if we fear wasting Erie County’s most valuable resource: its youth.

Comments

AJ Oliver

Mr. Newell's Op-ed is well argued and well written. It made me think. Although people are fully responsible for their actions, and gangs merit prosecution; it is nonetheless the case that African Americans have good reason to question police and prosecutorial behavior. There is a long history in the U.S. of grossly unequal justice - much of it driven by the sort of hateful ignorance on display in these blog comments.
White privilege is real and it is out there . .
http://www.amptoons.com/blog/fil...
Let me repeat what I have argued previously. If you attack a person or group or business or etc. while hiding behind the curtain of anonymity you are a coward.

Stop It

Go and join Alice in Wonderland, Mr. Oliver. I had a factor of the IRS ask me for my SS# on the phone the other day and I asked her if she was stupid? She immediately understood and gave me options to confirm my identity.

In other words, anonymity doesn't make one a coward, it just makes them aware. How long did it take someone a while back to look up files on you? Go sing yourself a lullaby and when you wake up, make certain it's in the 21st century.

Sal Dali

There will always be someone that disagrees with what anyone else has to say on here--good or bad; people do not always agree. When we use our "real" name, it becomes a personal attack from those commenting back. All one need do is look back at previous egregious comments to realize that. Who is going to ensure that one of the radicals/crazies out there who may or may not necessarily blog or comment will not become a "real" life stalker? Most participants are local. Personalizing our comments by signing our name may narrow down those who spew negativity or racially provocative comments but it will likely produce the same commentators commenting and responding to each other daily as usual. It will become very boring very quickly and the SR will lose online readers here as well as participants. Would you use the "honor system" and trust each blogger will use their "real" name? ha
In response to Mr. Newell's thoughts--What do you propose we do to deter these "children" from this type of behavior?

SANDUSKYPROUDUN...

This is by far the most idiotic, racist, POS I've ever read on this awful newspaper.

LETS FIRST BRING TO LIGHT THAT THE LEAD DETECTIVE IS DANA NEWELL. PROBABLY SOME RELATION TO DAMON NEWELL. DANA IS A BLACK MAN. HE LED UP THE INVESTIGATION AND IS IN CHARGE OF BRINGING CHARGES AGAINST THESE GANG MEMBERS.

What happened in this incident was undoubtedly gang violence. Answer this question Damon, why wasn't this dispute over a basketball game settled on the basketball court? It was carried over until the dark, in a residential neighborhood, where glass was broken and BB guns were used to shoot at the opposing gang. This is only gang violence, there is nothing else it could be.

It takes a true racist to see this as anything other than gang violence. I challenge the Sandusky Register to have the common decency to remove this racist bulletin from their page. I further ask them to have Damon Newell removed from their panel of writers because he is obviously a racist and cannot hold a neutral mind when writing articles for your readers.

If this is not met, I will bring this article to higher media light and show other cities just how racist the Sandusky Newspaper can be. They clearly cannot hold an equal mind and discriminate against Caucasians in this area.

cockynurse

Lisa Alley: Are you really speaking in defense of what this "guy" did? It was not that he was 18 years old and had a girlfriend who was 17-don't be ridiculous. He raped a 31 year old female because she could not pay for the drugs HE sold her-threatening to shoot her. When he was done raping her, he spit at her and told her he hoped she got pregnant! How do we know this? His buddies ratted him out and he plead guilty! I would suggest you do your research prior to defending a DANGEROUS RAPIST. I see mud-and its not on my face.

WEE CARE DAYCARE- I can NOT believe you allow this monster to be associated with a little league team you sponsor. A dangerous, felon...SEX OFFENDER is coaching children you sponsor! SHAME ON YOU! Next thing you know he will be working at the daycare changing baby diapers.

Damon-Your opinion isn't worth the digital ink its printed in. The SR should not only be EMBARASSED by the fact that they allowed your race-baiting garble to be spewed on their website, but they should also be humiliated that they employ you.

Your "article" is a mere fairytale-with very little (if any) fact. You said no weapons were used-another fallacy. From the original article: "The video shows the suspects throwing glass bottles and various items at each other, with some of the assailants allegedly carrying knives, frying pans, sticks and even a crowbar. One Detroit man used a BB gun to shoot at two boys, who were both struck in the torso." WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION?? LOL

YOU and those like YOU are the problem with our community. Do NOT make excuses for these little punks. I don't care if these "kids" are 14,15, 17, 18-they MUST BE PROSECUTED. Just as YOU should have been prosecuted when you started catching buildings on fire. All true, according to police records.

Jason Werling: From what I was told YOU refused to publish an announcement for the benefit of a young area woman, Kelly Figueroa, who has terminal cancer anywhere but the community events section-BUT THIS is worth the ink? Then, you passive-aggressively defend this criminal's whale of a fairytale. "Print coupons", you said. Give me a break. You want to know another reason why people don't use their REAL NAMES? What's the best predictor of future behavior? PAST behavior. God forbid I say something against a dangerous criminal such as this and he seeks revenge. After all, he IS a kidnapper, arsonist, assaultive rapist, gun slinging drug dealer. I don't want him to know who I am and find out where I live. MAYBE you should run an article about a convicted dangerous rapist living in metro housing that he is not registered at, receiving food stamps, who smokes dope while working in the PRESS ROOM at the Sandusky Register and coaches little league. Yes, that would be a better use of your time and web space.

Maybe the 3 teens who were running around town today robbing a house with a gun should just be let go, too. SMH

dorothy gale

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DickTracey

Nice post! And yet still no answer from Jason. He must have been watching the Browns. He was quick to defend this thug when it first went up.

Jason, since you seem so open minded and willing to give Damon a second chance, would you let Damon babysit your kids?

Jason Werling

DT- Yes, I was watching the Browns game, but glad I came back to check this today.

cockynurse- your post was well-written and to the point with your point-of-view, something many people have asked for here in the comments.

I haven't argued in support of Damon's past and don't know him that well, just in passing at the Register. So no DT, I wouldn't ask him to watch my kids just as you wouldn't with someone you may have talked to a couple times at work.

As many have pointed out here Damon has a criminal record and from one of our conversations he is in the process of getting his life back on track including his job at the Register.

Giving him or anyone else in the community the space to speak isn't anything new for a newspaper or a newspaper website. His words offend some, but to others in our community his words may hit closer to home and are more of a way of life. Just as other bloggers post their opinion and some may not agree with that.

Providing a place where people from all backgrounds can have their voice heard and their opinions debated is what I hope the Register can foster and grow in the future. 

Regarding "from what I was told": We handle a great deal of information on a daily and some of that information does fall through the cracks, but Kelly Figueroa does not ring a bell with me. I've checked my messages and e-mail and couldn't locate anything about her. As I have stated before, my e-mail is open and my phone number is posted. If the person who told you this would like to contact me to discuss this further, please have them do so, but I do not recall the benefit.  

My "printing coupons" comment was taken out of context. I was trying to point out how much information is available at our network of sites. Judgement of the Register by one column in one newspaper over 365 days a year and the past 185 years is what newspapers have had to balance since their inception.

If there are people in the community you think would make a good blogger and addition to any of our sites, please let me know. We are in the process of reaching out to more community members.

This community, both the Sandusky-area and our web community here, is important to me. I wouldn't have taken a new role with the Register if they weren't. Both communities are diverse in race, age and economic status and I don't see how more points-of-view that are available is a bad thing. If a reader isn't interested in reading a particular point-of-view, they have the ability to move on.

Please keep the conversation going.

Nemesis

Jason, earlier in this thread you asked why this column opens the paper up for ridicule. Look, he's entitled to express his opinion, but the Register doesn't have to give him a byline. As a violent felon, his credibility is nil, especially on the subject of appropriate responses to violent criminal behavior, given the obvious conflict of interest. By elevating him to a columnist, as opposed to a letter to the editor author or commenter, you're giving him the Register's seal of approval, and throwing the fate of the Register's credibility in with his. Members of a newpaper's editorial team are supposed to be chosen based on legitimate indicators that they will have something meaningful and useful to say. This column is just a criminal whining about "the man." Could he potentially offer some insights into diverson strategies, based on his own history? Yes, but instead, he merely minimizes their offenses and tosses the race card on the table, all supported by false accusations.

To ask how this opens the Register up for ridicule is being ridiculously coy. To suggest that it's because of his race is the kind of sophistry that should be beneath you as a serious journalist. Given the awards about which the Register is constantly crowing, we have every reason to expect better than this. You claim he's rehabilitated, but this column militates otherwise - he's making excuses for lawless, violent thug behavior, the sort of thing that suggests he harbors the same illusions about the acceptability of such behavior that played a role in his past crimes.

Also, your defense of his comments about bike week is really reaching. Any parallelism with the case currently under discussion rests upon an implication that bikers committed those acts during bike week. These punks are not being prosecuted for past behavior of their fraternal cohort, but rather for their own current personal actions. He asked how the city could welcome those bikers in - law enforcement apparently welcomed these thugs from Detroit, and didn't give them so much as a harsh look until they committed the criminal acts in question, so, for there to be any questionable disparity in their treatment compared to that of bike week visitors, the latter would have to have personally committed the acts he mentions proximate to the treatment under comparison.

You and Damon can make all the excuses you want; everyone knows that these kids were not exactly pillars of the community, and their actions were fueled by a lack of respect for the law, the property or bodily integrity of others, or many other elements of the social contract upon which our civilization rests. If you had evidence to the contrary, you'd have played that card by now, and none of us are going to hold our breath waiting for a revelation that one of these punks was an Eagle Scout or National Merit Scholar.

Regarding anonymity in the comment section, the tradition of anonymous social comment is long and esteemed, from Ben Franklin and James Madison to the present day. Typically, whenever someone in an online forum condemns anonymous commenting, a little digging reveals that either a)they believe their own identity should afford them unearned credibility ("do you KNOW who I am?") or b) they seek the identity of those with whom they disagree in order to find hooks on which to hang ad hominem attacks. If you're willing to stick to the topic and address the ideas expressed, then you don't need to know or care WHO expressed them.

gramafun

@cockynurse: I present you with this questions: Do you feel that no one is worth rehabilitation for their wrongs? That no one can pay for what they do and change? If that is the case, then we might just as well lock people away for the remainder of their lives and throw away the keys or just end their lives after convictions. It sure sounds that way. You seem to think tht NO ONE who is convicted of a crime EVER shakes that persona and never gets better.

Your "handle" is "cockynurse" and like me, I would think you are a nurse. Come now, people recover all the time from dissease and infliction and you know what. They also recover from diseases of the mind with proper treatment, so why not people like him? You have taken the attitue of dismissal without any forgiveness whatsoever. I would think as a nurse, that wouldn't be the case.

Even "kids robbing with guns in neighbors" if given the chance to change" would do so", so why the all or nothing attitude toward Past behavior only? You give NO credit that given some help and some chances they can do better.

I hope that as you live your life you NEVER need someone to give YOU a chance and they refuse. I hope you meet just the opposite, a loving and caring soul who is willing to see the potential good in people and the willingness to assist in nurtering that good. It so much more worth it than you will ever know.

cockynurse

@gramafun:

People do make mistakes and they can learn from them. That's why these "kids" need prosecuted NOW-so they don't think they are above the law and turn out like the writer of this blog with a rap sheet such as his.

Get your head out of la-la land. As I said previously, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Don't defend these "kids" behavior and make excuses for them. Give them some tough love so they grow to be decent young men instead of rapid thugs like they are behaving like in the video.

starryeyes83

Cockynurse,

I SO applaud you! Brilliant.

dorothy gale

Yes, they ARE kids and they were out past curfew, looking for trouble, making trouble, and they and their parents SHOULD be held responsible.

Subtle

@ AJ Oliver and your link to http://www.amptoons.com/blog/fil... This is my commentary on that archaic piece written in 1988 (My comments appear below each numbered statement in the list by the original author). Real quality web design on that page by the way…almost as dated as the content.

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

- There isn’t a race in the US that can say this. Everywhere I go I see people of all races.

2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.

- I wasn’t trained to mistrust anyone, I’ve learned to mistrust people who are behaving in a threatening manner, be they white, black, Hispanic, or Asian. The average income in the area where I am at that time seems to play a larger role than race.

3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.

- I provide service to the single wealthiest gated community in the Cleveland area and there are 6 white families out of 19 houses. If you have the financial means you can live wherever you want.

4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

- The behavior in any neighborhood is directly reflective of the average income of that neighborhood, the number of single parent households, and the average number of children per family. I can think of a certain neighborhood near downtown Cleveland with no African American families (that I am aware of) that I wouldn’t walk through at night if you paid me.

5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.

- Anyone of any race can go shopping without harassed provided they are behaving and dressed appropriately. Regardless of race, if you are dressed like a bum and harassing other customers and drawing attention to yourselves through your actions, you are going to be followed and probably asked to leave.

6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.

- I find it hard to believe that this was even an issue in 1988 when this article was written. Now if we are speaking of Hispanic or Asian representation, yeah currently it is a little light but far from nonexistent.

7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.

- Please provide the name of an African American with a historical contribution that is not represented in US history books or discussions?

8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.

- Really? Too outlandish to respond to even in 1988.

9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.

- Not as poorly written as this is. You’re no Alice Walker

10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.

- If you are the only person of your race in a large group, the only chance you have of being heard is if it’s introduction time at an AA meeting.

11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.

- Regardless of race, casual has nothing to do with it, unless you are the keynote speaker, expect to be basically ignored.

12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.

- Have you been in Kroger’s (or any grocery store) lately I’m pretty sure they even stock food supplies eaten only by a specific sect of monks living in the Tibetan foothills… really

13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.

- If you look like you can afford what you are buying they don’t even ask for an ID when you use your credit card; at least that was the case with the people who stole my credit card and then used it to buy a TV w/o being carded… they weren’t white.

14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.

- Anyone can, but it helps if you know where your kids are at 1am.

15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.

- No one does, racism is dead. Well it would be if parents (and certain newspapers) would quit trying to push it on their children.

16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.

- If you are any race other than white, you can get away with more in both school and work, maybe not in ’88 but certainly now.

17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.

- If you talk with your mouthful it is commentary on your upbringing, not your race.

18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.

- If you consistently swear in a public venue, it is a moral issue regardless of race. If you were second hand clothes it is an economic issue regardless of race. If you can’t read or write, you are illiterate regardless of race.

19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.

- Powerful male group huh? Uh yeah, I got nothing.

20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.

- Pretty sure I haven’t heard that term used in my lifetime and I’m over 30.

21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.

- Did I miss the appointment of a spokesperson for all African Americans?

22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.

- I’ll consider this one as soon as I meet some African Americans speaking a language other than English and don’t see signs and directions in 3 different languages everywhere.

23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.

- Now that we have a black president, if a white person criticizes our government they are characterized as a racist even if their criticism has nothing to do with the president.

24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.

- Last one I asked to speak to wasn’t… got my steak dinner for free.

25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.
Yeah, because everyone isn’t just another number to the IRS. Computers spit out the list of potential audits. Last time I checked, radar guns don’t have a skin tone monitor.

26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.

- Who can’t? Seriously

27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.

- I guess that depends on what kind of meeting you went to not what color your skin is.

28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.

- I’m pretty sure that I am likely to write up / fire both parties involved in any argument that gets my attention regardless of race.

29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.

- I’m pretty sure that given two applicants (of any race or gender) of equal skill for any position, the Caucasian male will be the one who doesn’t get the promotion.

30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.

- Your diction, charisma, body language, knowledge of the facts and attire influence credibility far more than skin tone, regardless of the subject.

31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.

- Huh?

32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.

- Our current culture is about financial divides and entitlement, not racial divides. There are as many shows about filthy rich African Americans as there are about filthy rich white people and every kid, white or black thinks they are owed what they see on TV, from the fancy cars to the sprawling mansions.

33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.

- It’s 2013, if you don’t bathe, people will tell you about it regardless of race, and there are more overweight white people than any other race. I’m not sure what “bearing” is, must be an 80s term.

34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.

- Racism is dead… no worries… be happy ;)

35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.

- Um, this author was supposed to be speaking from the perspective of a white person. Affirmative Action was enacted for minorities. If you are white and get a job, it certainly isn’t because of your race.

36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.

- If your whole year is going badly it’s likely you are the problem, not your race. You know what they say if you bump into a jerk in the course of a day it’s unfortunate, if everyone that you bump into in the course of a day is a jerk, then it’s probably you who are the jerk.

37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.

- I might even find one or two who are white.

38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.

- It’s 2013, a black man can be a professional cheerleader and a white girl can start on a college football team heck, a 11 year old African American girl can get a job that earns her more money than 50% of the United States ;)

39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.

- You can’t be late for a meeting regardless of race.

40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.

- This was written in 1988 not 1960, didn’t apply in ’88, doesn’t apply now.

41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.

- If I need medical help, the odds of me seeing a white doctor are pretty slim.

42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.

- As can everyone of every race.

43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.

- If you have low credibility as a leader, it’s because you are a bad leader, not because of the color of your skin.

44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.

- Um yeah, segregated colleges existed in 88 still…oh wait, no they didn’t. Come to think of it though, there are a couple exclusive to African Americans still in 2013.

45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.

- What? Is this author trying to say there are no artists of any race other than white? People write, paint, and sing what they know and their art is a reflection of their culture regardless of the race composing it.

46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.

- http://www.walmart.com/ip/Band-A...

47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.

- I guess that depends on how likable you and your spouse spouse are :P

48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.

- People of all races seem to take queues from their neighbors as to the socially acceptable ‘norms’. It’s pretty likely that if your lifestyle wouldn’t be approved of in a given neighborhood, you don’t have the financial resources to live there in the first place.

49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.

- Inter-racial couples, single parent households, same-sex marriages don’t even end up on the radar these days. I guess if you are a gay male living with another male who is undergoing hormonal therapy while awaiting a sex change and raising your high school sweetheart’s daughter that you have custody of to live androgynously as a vegan then the above may still apply, but probably not for long.

50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.

- I shudder to think of how different someone would have to be to be regarded by the majority of people they meet as “abnormal” these days…maybe, and this is a loose maybe, a transgender lesbian with screw in metal horns and a full face tattoo with Tourette’s Syndrome leading their girlfriend around by a leash MIGHT raise an eyebrow. A black, white, Hispanic, Asian, or Indian man walking down the street…not so much!
Racism is dead.

Mr Bean

Were these hoodlums white---would Mr Newell speak in their defense---sure............
Rehabilitation should be the watchword---but only after proper punishment. The rest is just, uh, uh, uh, Barbara Striesand.

Sam

If the same amount of energy that was used to protest was used in responsible parenting this incident would not have occurred. When the race card is used its usually used by racists.

The New World Czar

"It would be better if we could see this for what it really was: A fight between teenagers and about a dozen men that started over a basketball game. It resulted in the vandalism of a hallway. There were no serious injuries."

Stop for a second. Was it or was it not a group of Sandusky teenagers who beat the man senseless near the hospital a year or so ago...or brutally beat a teenager in Huron outside the festival a year or two ago?

Seriously...children and not gang members?

starryeyes83

SR;

How many employees do you have who have violent criminal records such as this man? How about the picnic table guy?

Are all of your employees required to submit to random drug tests? If not, I think you should.

kURTje

Yes SR ^^^^

Sam

When either a individual or community refuses to take responsibility for their actions, revert to blaming others and interject the race card, it never fails.

SKULLNBONES

"...diminishing their opportunities to build a normal life." Or teaching them a well-earned lesson not to engage in gang violence. They're not kids, they're animals. This kind of violent behavior runs deep in that community and it must be stopped. Take a bow, SPD!

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SanduskySlayer

He does raise a valid point, would he of cared if it were Caucasian kids? Probably not, judging from his prior diatribes.

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