Hey kids, go home and die

Matt Westerhold
Jun 21, 2014

 

One reader's comment posted at sanduskyregister.com about the recent influx of children on the border was troubling: “ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT children is more like it.”

The comment is particularly harsh. 

They aren't children gathering at the U.S.-Mexican border; they are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT children.

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For some reason, not the blood he spilled during the American Revolution, the reader thought it was important to correctly label these children. They aren't AMERICAN CHILDREN; they're not CHILDREN OF GOD.

No, according to the reader who posted the comment, they are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CHILDREN.

Unlike his children, or himself, who by the grace of God and nothing else, all were born in the United States, these children were not born on U.S. soil.

Their lives have less meaning, the reader's capitalized words seem to suggest. They have less value and they somehow are undeserving of the same freedoms the reader and his children enjoy, determined solely by the chance location of their births, and nothing else.

Those children, and their parents ... all those people were born south of the border, without the grace of God the reader and his family enjoy: A dream of freedom.

What's his is his, not theirs. And not only are they ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CHILDREN, they're skin is darker, too.

“Put them back on the bus and back across the border,” another reader posted at the story. “Until everyone learns there are consequences they will keep coming. Send them back.”

Obviously, those children need to be taught something; we have to “learn” them, according to that reader, that our freedoms are not their freedoms and they don't deserve a chance in life to live free. They weren't born here.

That woman actually believes she offered up a reasoned and fair position. She probably fancies herself a God-fearing woman who waves the flag and is proud to be an American, as if she had anything to do with that.

No worries some of those children might face lives of miserable consequences, poverty and death, fomented, in part at least, by the insatiable American appetite for the drug imports from across the border that help create the oppressive and violent drug cartels that control their home countries.

Not her problem.

She'll argue the only way to preserve her freedom birthright is by allowing the children of ILLEGALS to live in poverty and despair because unlike her, they weren't born here. Damn kids. Go back to where you came from. WE DON'T CARE.

It's as if extending our freedoms to brown-skinned people — even children — somehow diminishes our freedom.

The reality is not extending the American ideal of freedom to everyone is what diminishes our freedom.

Both readers are just minor pawns in the oppression of others; the oppression of themselves.

People are people and it doesn't matter where they were born. And parents are parents, regardless of the labels that witting, or unwitting, oppressors employ.

I worry if my daughter is 15 minutes later than expected.

In contrast, these parents sent their children away, to the U.S.-Mexican border because an American prison cell is a safer place for them than the homes where they live.

Those parents are courageous.

Some of the readers who commented are the opposite.

The parents of these children believe in the American ideal more than the beneficiaries who enjoy the un-earned freedoms guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution and its Bill of Rights.

U.S. immigration policies have been racist-based since the founding of the nation, and the debate is likely to continue long after we are all dead, with politics being central to it and freedom being nothing more than an afterthought, if it's considered at all.

The very basis of the nation's founding that "all men are created equal" and "endowed with certain inalienable rights” gets ignored in the process.

Comments

santown419

I love this!

Licorice Schtick

Matt doesn't like what the writer wrote but can't argue against it, so instead he argues against what the writer DIDN'T write.

Wjones44

Agreed. I changed my comment asking if they are legal. Maybe someone from the register will answer.

jazzbo

Say that again , Licorice Schtick ???

Bottom Line

What don't you get? Matt is putting words in a commenter's mouth and making false assumptions that the commenter didn't say or imply. Then makes an incoherent argument against what he WISHES the commenter said using false claims of racism and discrimination that Lefterhold and all liberals resort to when it doesn't apply. Which yeah you've got to be sick to pull that off.

jazzbo

Thanks , but that was just a labyrinth of static.

Bottom Line

In your futile attempt to appear intelligent you simply do what most liberals do: sidestep the facts and tiptoe around the truth.

jazzbo

Your explanation was basically a "word salad".

It's a characteristic of the Right-wing paranoid mentality.

Licorice Schtick

OK, that was fun, but let's get back to the case at hand.

Matt makes an impassioned appeal for empathy for the plight of immigrants and their children that is not without merit, but the attack on his reader's comments is excessive at best and is an obvious mistake. Or sardonic. Wait. What?

In any event, what about all the miserable people elsewhere in the world who are worse off than Mexican immigrants and who would benefit for a life here even more? Maybe we should open our borders to EVERYONE.

Immigration isn't really about liberal or conservative. "Liberal" labor wants tight borders to protect American workers and "conservative" employers like free and easy immigration for cheap labor and new customers.

The problem of illegal Mexican immigration is confounding and probably unsolvable, in part because it's a REALLY long border, and we're the dumping ground for the surplus labor from horribly unfair third-world economic system. And the stereotype of the desperately poor wide-eyed innocents is a bit of a myth; plenty of illegals were doing OK but just wanted more. Another word for it is greed. It's simple economics; as long as the benefits of cheating outweigh the risks, we should continue to expect illegal immigration on a massive scale.

jazzbo

The commentors were very vicious.
If Matt hurt their little feelings as you are insinuating , too bad.
I'm going to let Kirsten Powers try to get through to you.

http://www.dumbview.com/videos/v...

From the Grave

Matt, even in your attempt to appear compassionate, you come off just as much as an "I've got mine" pompous American as the commenter you are criticizing, by assuming that life is so much more desirable here in the states, and that we are the purveyors of freedom. Liberal or conservative~who cares. Still an as-hole-ish perspective that I find embarrassing as an American.

From the Grave

I would like to see the United States spend the next 800 billion on making life better here and around the world, instead of whatever we were supposedly doing in Iraq.

holysee

Commenter forgets that everyone is an immigrant/invader or decendant of immigrant/invader.
All immigrant haters should have automatic ejection seats.

Bottom Line

Legal immigrants yes. Not ones sneaking in here illegally and knowing they're breaking our laws. How do you possibly not comprehend the difference? And the consequences of the latter?

holysee

All immigrant haters should have automatic ejection seats.

Bottom Line

Thanks again, Rainman.

From the Grave

What were the consequences for the already free human beings that inhabited this land when the whites invaded their homes and slaughtered them?

Unassumer

amen.

OSUAV8TER

It's easy for people to show their true colors when they can hide behind their computer screens. Do you think they'd say "Hey kids, go home and die" in public? I doubt it. They're too much of a coward to take the flak.

LookingDown

And your name is?

OSUAV8TER

Irrelevant, I never made any disparaging comments about kids.

Perkins Resident

No one did.

OSUAV8TER

A lot of people seem to think so. Anyway, my comment was aimed at those whom write mean/nasty things while cowering behind the monitors of their computers.

Perkins Resident

No, a lot of people don't think so except the author of this article and maybe two others on here. Calling someone, even a child an illegal immigrant is not wrong. It's what they are. This entire article is nonsense.

OSUAV8TER

I agree, they are illegal immigrants. Just because the author is a professional writer, doesn't mean he can think clearly.

Perkins Resident

Amen OSU! Great comment!

jazzbo

Nah..........while both of you are high-fiving each other , you've both missed his motivation and point.

SamAdams

The parents who send their children illegally into this country to become wards of the state are criminals. While no one can argue that they're likely doing it for the SAKE of their children, that doesn't excuse or mitigate the crime. They are violating immigration law; they are fraudulently collecting benefits rightfully earned and paid for by Americans; and they are effectively stealing from everyone who pays taxes. (And that doesn't take into consideration those who commit further crimes after they sneak into the country, nor will I get into the nightmare diseases now in the U.S. and attributed to illegals.)

If I rob a bank so my kids can eat better, will you let me go and keep the money just because I had good intentions? If I break into your house so my kids can have a nicer TV, will you decline to press charges and bless me for taking such good care of my kids? If I sell drugs to your kids and use the money to pay rent, are you okay with that since I'm only hurting your kids to protect my own?

Until you PERSONALLY unlock your doors and windows and welcome all comers day and night, you're a hypocrite. Trespass is illegal. Breaking and entering is illegal. Theft is illegal. And so is entering the country without documentation. There are good reasons these things are illegal, too, and whether you admit it or not, you know it. After all, you still secure your own home when you leave it, DON'T you?

whattheBucks

Gotta give you a +1 Sam

Bottom Line

Thank you Sam. Perfectly said... However, since you speak logically and with common sense, clearly you are a racist. Clearly you think that you're better than everyone else on Earth who wasn't born here. Just like that commenter.

Talk about putting words in someone's mouth. And to think a few weeks ago Matt called me "hostile" for simply ASKING if he honestly believed this newspaper was objective and if he wasn't constantly trying to push a personal agenda. No wonder he never answered my question.

Of all the columns of Matt's I've read, this one is the worst. And that's really saying something

Wjones44

After this I will no longer be commenting or reading this paper. I will no longer purchase this paper or give this website hits. I'm sorry Mr. Westerholds feels this way and by the way this was written I can not be a part of it. Thank you.

From the Grave

Matt is the ultimate troll. It's part of his job.

jazzbo

Bull Shizzle !! Wjones44-

You will continue getting the newspaper (if you ever did) or continue reading it at the library.
And you will also continue visiting the website.

Am I calling you a liar ? Well , what do YOU think ?

Yes, I am VERY angry at you because I see the B S you are trying to pull.

pptrsha

I totally agree with you

Julie R.

This isn't the worst ---- it's one of the best.

SamAdams

Nicely done, Julie R! You complain all the time that certain officials don't (or won't) uphold the law, and now you're encouraging those who break the law and condoning the actions of those who facilitate them doing so!

Please do make up your mind and let us know when you decide whether or not the law and things like theft, fraud, and the like actually matter.

Julie R.

It's not the children that are breaking the law.

Mr. Westerhold said he worries if his daughter is 15 minutes later than expected and I'm sure every parent around, including myself, can relate to that. Are you a parent? If so, how would you like to be forced to send your kids away to a prison cell just to protect them from the home where they live?

SamAdams

Yes, in fact, they are. They're here. They're not here legally. While I would agree that the children shouldn't be PUNISHED, that doesn't mean they should be rewarded, either. No, they should be sent back home while measures are taken to ensure the illegal influx of ALL is stymied.

We don't let the children of criminals reap the rewards of crimes when the parent does something other than sneak across the border (or get their kids smuggled across as the case may be). The expensive house Daddy bought with the proceeds of his embezzlement is confiscated and sold, and the kids kicked out. The beautiful Mercedes Mommy bought her teenager with drug money is forfeit and sold, and Baby Boy has to take the bus like the rest of us. This is no different. That you continue to fail to see that only shows that you're inclined to pick and choose based on emotion, not the law.

Babo

They are not criminals but refugees from a drug war started by us that has devastated their country.

Perkins Resident

I feel sorry for you.

Babo

"Jesus wept" John 11:35

sugar

Guaranteed it's Democrats using most of the drugs.

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The Hero Zone

What you wrote reminded me of all the stories I read here about parents who face criminal charges for abandoning or endangering their children. The one with the guys in the truck shooting up came to mind. I wonder if the VP's trip to Guatemala will produce something meaningful to stop the influx of kids who face death to exposure, capture for human/sex traffickers, violence of vigilantes, or to be hunted by wildlife.

It's the false presumption that citizenship is something to be demanded and granted on no other grounds than "we don't like where we are" that are drawing them here in record numbers.

How immoral is it when the White House (and some in Congress) is acting more like a White Van with "free candy" painted on the side? How duped are the kids who believed in the free candy and get bagged and tagged by Border Patrol for following the sentiment of certain leaders that don't have the backing of law nor national resources to care for them?

"Oh, uhhh, this is awkward. You actually came when we said those things? We just meant you all should dream about...stuff. We actually can't do anything about it. It's our sentiment, you see, that counts. There's no room at the inn. Sorry kids, you understand right? We only talk about this stuff in America to keep our jobs. We actually can't do anything with you. Thanks for risking your life and congrats for not being sold into sexual slavery! Keep dreaming!"

Keep dreaming...

Sigh. The results of good intentions per the adage are manifesting.

I believe it is someone running for Senate in Oklahoma that mentioned putting forward a bill that would suspend or reduce foreign aid to countries from which these people flee or those who encourage/aid them. It was essentially "if we give them $10M/year and it costs $2M to process their citizens and send them back, they only get $8M".

If, as this article states, the countries from which these children travel are hellholes then why not address the countries? Citizenship can't be guaranteed or conferred just because someone seeks something better. If there is a puppy mill in the area with squalid conditions and is churning out diseased puppies en masse does the neighborhood keep finding homes for the puppies with a plethora of excuses "hoarders" use or do they shut down the mill for health and ethical reasons?

What is the humane thing to do, especially when they are human beings?

Babo

Re: What is the humane thing to do? Treat them as refugee children; victims of the drug and economic wars we wage on third world countries to support our inflated self absorbed lifestyles.

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The Hero Zone

I kindly disagree with you here Babo. They may be here indirectly because of those reasons or more, but they are not our responsibility and it is even more inhumane to encourage them to make the trip. It is more unfair to our own citizens who are the victims of our policies directly to not be served first.

fedup2

+ 1 from me as well!!

fedup2

+ 1 as well!!

ohioengineer

Immigration is important to this nation, but so are secure borders. In fact, securing our borders is the most important job that our government has - for without secure borders we cannot exist as a free nation and everything thing else becomes moot. Why is this so difficult for people to understand? Instead, anyone who even suggests that we need to protect our borders is immediately branded as a racist.

Babo

Are you truly free?

Bottom Line

Move your daughter to one of those border counties that can't keep hospitals open and has out of control violent crime rates due to illegal immigrants. Are you going to volunteer to take them into your own home? Provide for them with YOUR own money? A bunch of illegals with bed bugs and other diseases. Gonna move them into the bed room next to your daughter? Since you care so much. No instead just have our tax dollars pay for everything. And never hold the failed state of Mexico accountable for the poverty that exists. Or any other country. We'll take everyone. Sure why not.

ladydye_5

Well, there are immigrants and there are illegal immigrants. Are these children that were sent here on a bus across the border illegally going to go through the proper channels, obtain the paperwork and become US citizens the way the system was meant to be used. OR, will some backroom deal grant them amnesty for some unknown reason? If they are truly seeking a better life, why not do it properly? There was nothing wrong with what the post said. These children ARE illegal immigrants. They are breaking the law, along with their parents who shipped them here. There are children in this country that are hungry, have no health care, need medical assistance, need a better education and receive NO HELP. Why? Because there is no money left. The system has been sucked dry by the illegal immigrants that do not follow the rules set in place.

Laughingatwttb

The system you speak of has been over ran by lazy people that were born here. You see it everyday in every county in every state. The people are of all colors not just those from south of the border. If you don't see it, than it's because you choose not to acknowledge it. Should the borders be tighter? Absolutely. But let's not forget that the terrorist involved in 9/11 didn't get across thru the southern border but the northern one. So let's tighten up our shores, our borders and find a way to process these folks in a timely manner. After all this is America and I'm sure there is a company that's reaping huge profits by the government detaining these people for months and even years at these sites. Mr. Westerhold it's not often I like what you write but as a parent I'm glad you wrote this. These kids may be illegal but they are still kids none the less.

Darwin's choice

Take some of them into your home.

This is a slippery slope, the way that the media blabs everything, we'll be fair game for every child on the planet....

ladydye_5

So, how many do YOU want to take in? How many do you want to pay for? Feed, clothe, pay medical? I agree, ALL borders need tightened. All paperwork needs to be enforced more stringent process. But there is a process. There are people that do it properly. The point is if their own parents did this to them, why are the parents HERE supposed to be the ones to worry about them? I have my own children to worry about. I have my own children to feed. I have my own bills to pay. Times are hard for everyone.

Bottom Line

I'm sick of liberals like Matt acting like "legal immigrant" and "illegal alien" are synonymous, interchangeable terms. Which is what they have to do to make their position seem coherent.

Laughingatwttb

You ARE already paying for lazy AMERICANS to sit and abuse this system!!! Where's your outrage over that??? Every single month, usually at the first, I avoid super markets like the plague. I'm so sick and tired of seeing people walk in load their cart with crap and then pull out their food stamp card. I've watched countless able bodied AMERICANS do this. My grandfather came here from Mexico, didn't know any English and still worked 2-3 jobs to support his 10 kids and his wife. NEVER took a single red penny from anyone for help. He became a citizen, raised his kids, and ultimately owned several houses, all on his own!!! Not all these people come here for free benefits, some do but not all. And your question of how many I would take, I'd say as many as I can. How many are you willing to help as a human being?

Bottom Line

Yes there are millions of lazy, unproductive Americans. We can throw them out too. But that has nothing to do with this issue of debate. Your post is spot on until the last three sentences. If a majority aren't after free benefits and to take advantage, why not come here the proper, legal way? And anyone who says on here they would take as many (likely criminal and diseased) illegals into their home as possible to sleep in a room next to their loved ones is a big fat liar.

Laughingatwttb

I'll assume that you've been exposed to hundreds of immigrants to make the assumption that are likely criminals or diseased. If not then you show how ignorant people can be.

Perkins Resident

Legal immigrants who have gone through the proper channels would have been checked and be up to date on vaccines. That is not the case with illegal immigrants. I have been exposed to thousands of immigrants, both legal and illegal during my time in the military. I know first hand the difference and believe me, you don't want people coming here illegally. For health reasons, criminal backgrounds, etc. Take it from me, I've been there.

Bottom Line

@Laughing

But you would be willing to take the chance to find out and put as many as you could under your roof around your loved ones as they sleep? You're either ignorant or lying. For the sake of your family I hope (and believe) you're lying.

ladydye_5

Your grandfather, didn't take a red penny! He became a citizen. How many of these kids do you think are going to become legal citizens? How many of their parents are here legally? How many are going through the legal channels and doing the paperwork right now to become legal citizens? Yes there are lazy Americans abusing the system. We do not need more illegal immigrants making it worse. I am not happy with either one.
What happens when other citizens illegally cross the border into other countries? Usually you are put in jail and then sent back to your homeland. Not given benefits, a home, a job, food, medical, etc. JAIL. And a bus ticket home. Heck some countries you are shot on site.
If they want a better life, if they want to find work, and prosper, fine. Do it legally. There are ways to do it. Many do. I know some that have. It is possible to become a LEGAL citizen.

JMOP

All I can see here is scared children in this situation. Not illegals, just children.

Was it illegal for the parents to send them here, even if they knew if it was/wasn't (I blame Obama for his immigration policies) against the law? Yes. Was it wrong of the parents? In my eyes, no. If my children were in danger, and there was a safe haven in the USA, you're darn tootin I would send them here.

Obama is making a mess out of everything. Look at this situation. Since he's been president, we have been smuggling children here since 2010, by our own government.

Donegan

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. While traveling this road most do not see the final destination, They just see the scenery as they go. The sad truth is a country with no borders is not a country. If they no longer have to follow the laws you do not like do not complain when they ignore the laws you care about.

Bottom Line

Yes let's just ask all the ILLEGAL ALIENS which of our laws they would like to follow. Let's pick and choose which laws we enforce to accommodate them. Why should there be consequences for their actions? A lot of liberals argue that we shouldn't at all be involved in Iraq because it's not our responsibility to police the world. If that's your opinion then why is it our job to cater to the failed nations of Mexico and central America and fix their problems by accepting their illegals (further ruining our country with each one that gets in)? That's blatant hypocrisy. Nobody wants to see children suffer or die. But those children are not our problem. I guess those parents shouldn't be having children sorry to say.

Trigger from Erie

You need help, Matt Westerhold. Seriously. This is weirdly irrational.

Steve P

Easy to sit in your ivory tower in downtown Sandusky, with your smug liberal attitude. What is the Mexican government doing to stop the flow of these children, how would they handle undocumented American children without their parents? We are caring for these children, my guess on the other side of the lawless border they would be they prey of any number of predators.

jazzbo

"Easy to sit in your ivory tower in downtown Sandusky, with your smug liberal attitude. "

So , you have mental problems, huh , Steve P ?

Bottom Line

Jazzbo, are you in 4th grade? Honestly, you are the most worthless commenter on here these days. Try and bring some facts and intelligence (very difficult for most libs) to a discussion for once.

jazzbo

Shut up, idiot.

PS
Honestly , your comments suck.

Have a great day !

Perkins Resident

Bottom Line, don't feed the troll. Ignore it and it will go away.

jazzbo

Perkins Resident is another idiot that should shut up.

Bottom Line

I picture jazzbo as Sloth from The Goonies. Only not as good looking.

jazzbo

I picture Bottom Line as something in the bottom of my toilet bowl , but not as good looking.

Contango

Mr. Westerhold writes:

"Click hear (sic) to read more"

I clicked on, 'heard' nothing.

Matt Westerhold

Thanks for the catch. 

Wjones44

Please read my comment below. They are illegal and are starting off in this country by breaking the law. Please don't assume I am a white male. I am not racist. I am an American who believes in a secure border. I believe we should take care of our own first and foremost. I believe in legal immigration. We are a nation of laws and we should respect the law. I'm sorry you didn't like my comment and that it offended you.

jazzbo

"Matt, why the hate? I meant no ill intention...etc."

Hahahahahahahah

You should have read Wjones44 ORIGINAL comments !

Perkins Resident

Original comments are in the article above. It said they are illegal immigrants. It's the truth.

jazzbo

The commenter isn't named and he changed the comments on the initial article, Mr.Perkins Resident.

Perkins Resident

I read the initial comments. They said the article should have said Illegal Immigrants. Done responding to you. Enjoy your night trolling the Sandusky Register website.

jazzbo

Golly ,.... another Donegan.

Contango

Mr. Westerhold writes:

"un-earned freedoms,"

According to our Founders, our "inalienable rights" are a gift from God or are natural. It is govt's job to protect them.

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H*ll, Mr. Westerhold, have your pal Mr. Obama call up Fed. Chair Yellen and have her 'print' a couple trillion dollars and help pay for every waif in the world to get to the U.S.

Contango

"Obama orders 'surge' to border to speed up deportations"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/ne...

So does this make Mr. Obama a bad guy Mr. Westerhold?

GoBigLex2001

Looks like "Wjones44" hit a nerve with Mr. Westerhold. They are illegal immigrants though. I would like to think its not the childrens fault, but rather the parents. Heck, blame the countries for not wanting to make life better and blame our government for not securing the borders.

queenjhb

When all citizens are working [ able bodied] and taxes reduced, then open our arms ,right now America needs to focus on our own. God help those that help themselves, then can we be of help to others. These children are at the border because it works ,if turned away it would reduce this from happening. Sad ,yes , cant save the world ,then lose your own due to giving, giving till you have nothing but more taxes, more poverty, over wrought healthcare falling apart under this burden of doing the right thing. Now free birth control in at risk counties, now that would make life better for everyone. Cold, maybe. Sad & tragic for sure.

Wjones44

Here's my point. They are illegal immigrants. We have American children starving in this country and living on the streets but we are allowing thousands to come here illegally and we are taking care of them and not our own. There are millions of people in the world who are coming to this country legally and going through the proper channels. Don't we as a nation have the responsibility to take care of our own first? I just don't get it.

jazzbo

Wjones44--

I see that you REALLY cleaned up your original ugly and vile comments.

You didn't expect the article to be spotlighted by Matt Westerhold.

I should have documented it and used it against you like a couple of other jerks here who often do.

Donegan

"I should have documented it and used it against you like a couple of other jerks here who often do."
You should not call people jerks who you wish to emulate. Just makes you sound like a jerk.

jazzbo

You are a jerk and I don't want to emulate you.

I would like to emigrate you.

Hahahahaha

Donegan

Of course, I would expect nothing less from someone who hates the US and wants to see a totalitarian dictatorship akin to soviet Russia. You could always move to N Korea and deport those who disagree with you and your political god. You would fit right in they think for you and everything.
BTW, Being called a jerk by a libtard is a compliment. It means i have nothing in common with you and have made you look foolish enough to earn that title.

jazzbo

Here's another compliment.........you're an idiot.

I have more compliments if you like ?

jazzbo

Another thing -
You fool yourself by acting to be oh , so , high-minded , but you come across as somebody who fell on their head.

Perkins Resident

Donegan don't feed the troll.

jazzbo

troll

big_d

This has been going on for some time, not in these numbers however. My wife and her sister were offered an infant by a woman as they were preparing to cross the border back into the US. (sightseeing day trip) Was it a scam? my wife and her sister didn't think so.

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stooge

Why is the United States responsible for the living conditions of Mexico and South America? Persisting archaic drug laws which create a climate of risk/reward. A national appetite for narcotics which surpasses that of every other nation. How about the arrogance required to send crop dusters to Columbia to spray crops despite the resultant loss of human life and destruction of ecosystems? If our boarders are literally flooded tomorrow with an influx of illegals, it would be nothing less than we deserve.

downthemiddle

You conveniently forgot to mention that Mexico and Columbia have incredibly corrupt governments which prosper from the drug trade and therefor defend it.

Try again.

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stooge

The US government has a rich history of profiteering from the drug trade. What is your point? Why is it so difficult for Americans to accept the fact that maybe American policy is responsible for many of Americas problems?

KURTje

Contango " I ain't a Christian." Go to Fremont, Willard & other places. Most hate them (migrants) yet tolerate business having tax dollars pay for cheap labour. Double standard....since the 40's.

Steve P

Sorry off topic for above video, the spam filter would not allow a change to a video on the mistreatment of an American Marine in Mexico and how any Mexican crossing into the U.S. is not a violation of Mexican law according to an Mexican official. Go to that news site and search for this video.

Contango

Mr. Westerhold writes:

"U.S. immigration policies have been racist-based since the founding of the nation,"

That's a pretty broad sweeping statement.

Got any historical documentation to back that up? Or in your mental realm do fallacies pass for facts?

Matt Westerhold

Slavery. 

Steve P

13th Amendment.. Don't blame the U. S. for slavery, it was started by African tribes selling off members of other African tribes, to Moslem slave traders, who then sold them to British, French, Dutch and Spanish, pre dating the founding of the U.S. Many of the original northern colonies that later formed the U.S. never had slavery.

Matt Westerhold

Just an observation, Steve, no blame. 

Steve P

My mistake, but it appears you entire article is based on you blaming one person for their views.

sugar

Who still is practicing slavery today? Africa, ME , black Muslims.

Babo

Sex slavery in the US by organized crime including big drug cartels.

Contango

Re: "Many of the original northern colonies that later formed the U.S. never had slavery."

However, a number of New Englanders became wealthy plying the slave trade.

Later, wealthy New England textile mill owners liked their cotton cheap and plentiful.

Contango

@ Mr. Westerhold:

In that sense, your sentence should rightfully read:

U.S. immigration policies have been racist-based even 'prior' to the founding of the nation.

H*ll, by some accounts the Brits killed more blacks than the number of Patriots who died during the Revolutionary War.

SamAdams

Slavery wasn't immigration. It was the transport of property. (Yes, I'm well aware that it's singularly immoral to consider another human being to be property, but that doesn't negate the fact that slaves WERE considered property, both legally AND ethically by some at the time.)

Contango

Re: "Slavery wasn't immigration."

Mr. Westerhold is like the Humpty Dumpty of journalism:

"When I use a word it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less."

Babo

You're arguing semantics or maybe it's samantics. It doesn't change the underlying cultural values that the nation was founded upon, i.e. white European especially WASP superiority and exploitation of native Americans and immigrants (legal and illegal) to advance greed and capitalism.

Ironically if one traces their heritage to the founding of the country, one is probably descended from a criminal or some other social misfit who immigrated illegally to this land.

Contango

Re: "You're arguing semantics,"

As are you, e.g. " WASP superiority and exploitation," "greed and capitalism."

The ideal of the "noble savage" prior to the arrival of Europeans is a MYTH.

Babo

Again, my argument was that the history of the nation and the cultural values of the nation to this day are based upon European especially Anglo Saxon belief in their innate superiority.

Thanks for proving my point.

From the Grave

And, they killed as many of the non-whites that already lived here. Then gave them limited "freedom" on reservations.

The New World Czar

Reality according to our founding fathers:

Article IV, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution-
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion".

President Obama has sworn twice in front of millions to uphold the Constitution. Hiring several hundred governmental lawyers to represent illegal immigrants isn't the way to uphold anything but one's own agenda.

Kudos to Texas Governor Rick Perry for taking matters into his own hands to do what the federal government cannot competently or willfully do.

Also, congratulations to Matt- on the "ratings and revenue" for this site getting the hits to help pay the bills for an otherwise-sinking newspaper.

Matt Westerhold

Thanks for the congrats, New World. Your concern for the Register's standing, however, is unnecessary. We'll still be here for your grandchildren's children to read, rest assured.

buckeye45

Question for liberals, is the color of skin important? George Zimmerman was considered "white" now these illegal immigrants are "brown skin". Seems like liberals use race to promote an agenda. Does the color of skin change based on who you see as the victim? You liberals confuse me with this skin color rhetoric.

Matt Westerhold

True liberalism and true conservatism disappeared a long time ago, buckeye45. The way the terms are applied today is void of any of the principles from either end of the spectrum. It's simply the rhetoric of divisiveness.   

buckeye45

Matt why label these kids "brown skin"? What does it add to the story? In the trayvon Martin case these kids would have been "white". Skin color is irrelevant but those often claiming others are racist ARE the ones bringing up skin color. The color of skin is/was used in both stories to promote an agenda of racism.....and the same nationality changed "color" based on the narrative intended by the author. I think it takes away from the reality of the tragedy and brings an inherent bias into the article. Just my opinion, "brown skin" wasn't needed BUT it wanted to be heard by many on the left.

Steve P

Great comment, Hispanics are white when the liberals want to place blame on them, they only become brown when its convenient to make them the victims for the liberal agenda, can't have it both ways.

Contango

Re: "True liberalism and true conservatism,"

@ Mr. Westerhold:

Kindly define your terms.

To quote one of the 'great' wordsmiths of our time:

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is,' is."

Mum-of-One

To me, the terms ‘illegal immigrant’ and ‘illegal alien’ are demeaning. These terms are used far to frequently. Immigration status is not part of the criminal justice system – it’s a separate legal system. While people may be undocumented, they are still people and deserving of compassion. The “Us vs. Them” mentality is saddening.

Contango

Re: "While people may be undocumented, they are still people and deserving of compassion."

With that deep sense of "compassion," should one assume that you'll be patrolling the streets looking for a family to take into your house in order to provide free room and board?

Bottom Line

Exactly! Anyone who takes that stance should literally open their front door and provide food, water, shelter and medical expenses since they're so full of compassion. Anyone willing to do that I'll accept that point of view. But not one single person in this forum would do it. Obviously.

Contango

To the liberal mind, if one doesn't choose to have one's pocket picked for the 'good' of their socialist agenda, it shows a lack of altruism and therefore represents mean-spirited racism and greed.

Not only should one be mugged at gunpoint, but one is expected to find the experience pleasurable.

Mum-of-One

To me, the terms ‘illegal immigrant’ and ‘illegal alien’ are demeaning. These terms are used far to frequently. Immigration status is not part of the criminal justice system – it’s a separate legal system. While people may be undocumented, they are still people and deserving of compassion. The “Us vs. Them” mentality is saddening.

Steve P

Today we are flooded by people who violate our laws and enter illegally, they are illegal immigrants or illegal aliens why is that demeaning when it is the proper term. Demeaning was when people entered this country legally and was referred to in a negative term from their origin, example in my family, micks,(Irish-American Catholics) and krauts (Germans). The saddening part is so many people willing to overlook violating our laws and attempting to justify it.

Steve P

Today we are flooded by people who violate our laws and enter illegally, they are illegal immigrants or illegal aliens why is that demeaning when it is the proper term. Demeaning was when people entered this country legally and was referred to in a negative term from their origin, example in my family, micks or paddys,(Irish-American Catholics) and krauts (Germans). The saddening part is so many people willing to overlook violating our laws and attempting to justify it.

Mum-of-One

Steve P: By way of explanation the term demeaning is used as a description meaning causing someone to lose their dignity or respect of others.

Bottom Line

Steve is spot on. God forbid we offend people who enter our country illegally by calling them exactly what they are: illegal aliens.

It's demeaning to sneak into our country and live off of my tax dollars. No need for any respect there.

Contango

Re: "demeaning"

It's called 'self-esteem,' NOT 'other-esteem.'

"Dignity" comes from oneself, not from others.

This society lives, breathes and propagates the emotional sickness of co-dependency:

How one feels emotionally about oneself is dependent upon how others feel about one.

This deep sense of liberal enhanced guilt along with the perceived need for financial restitution for real as well as politically motivated and manufactured inequality will be our societal undoing.

Steve P

Once again is it demeaning or not, they are illegal and or undocumented.

Bottom Line

The only thing that's saddening is people with your mindset. It's like a dog having compassion for fleas and ticks that would cover his body.

Steve P

Good analogy, just like fleas and ticks they get a free ride on the dog while biting him, with the dog being the American taxpayer.

Bottom Line

Matt, I see you've addressed others on this board when it's been convenient. You must have overlooked my questions so I'll re-post for your response:

Would you move your daughter to one of those border counties in Texas that can't keep hospitals open and has out of control violent crime rates due to illegal immigrants? Are you going to volunteer to take them into your own home? Provide for them with YOUR own money? A bunch of illegals with, quite possibly, bed bugs and other diseases. Would you move them into the bed room next to your daughter? Since you care so much. The answer you didn't want to give me is ABSOLUTELY NOT. Instead just have our tax dollars pay for everything. And never hold the failed state of Mexico accountable for THEIR poverty that exists. Or any other country. We'll just take everyone. Nah I don't think so. We've got enough of our own legal, American children who need and deserve our help first.

Matt Westerhold

I didn't overlook your question, Bottom line. I looked at it but opted not to offer a response since you're assuming things in it that I did not state nor do I believe. You might not have considered exactly what was written before you compared the children at the border to "fleas and ticks," which would appear to validate one of the points being made in the column that you overlooked. 

Bottom Line

Either you are willing to do what I mentioned above OR we have to hold people accountable and send them back where they came from. It's one or the other. You can't have it both ways. Not trying to be hostile. That college professor type mentality is spreading like a virus in this country. People say things, like "we need to treat them with compassion not deport them" - knowing full well there will be no consequence to them directly for saying that. And then pat themselves on the back for saying "Look at me I stood up for someone."

Matt Westerhold

There is no "either, or," here, as you suggest, Bottom Line, although you appear to be an "either, or, bottom-line" kind of person. 

Bottom Line

Unreal. It's exactly an "either, or" situation since you mentioned it. You don't want to admit that because as I said above you just want to claim that you will stand up for some "noble" cause. But when push comes to shove you would do nothing directly to help these people. Just pass the buck to someone else and claim your righteous glory.

Contango

Re: "Just pass the buck to someone else and claim your righteous glory."

Not unlike Dear Leader, who appears to think that making well-intended speeches and governing are one in the same.

As Michael Savage has so famously said: Liberalism is a mental disorder.

They revel in their illness.

jazzbo

Michael Savage is nobody.

pntbutterandjelly

A sensible solution must be found and that is NOT to feed, house and keep these children here in the U.S. To do so would only be an open invitation for millions upon millions more coming to the U.S. thus exponentially compounding the problem until our country is more broke than it is now. Then again...maybe that is part of "their" plan.
Maybe we should take our "illegals" (tried and found guilty criminals) and drop them off into other countries for them to support.

Is there an age limit for humans for drone strikes?

Contango

Agree with much of your sentiment.

Re: "Is there an age limit for humans for drone strikes? "

Don't know, but Pres. Obama oversaw the killing of a sixteen yr. old American citizen in Yemen.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/1...

Most of the other innocent men, women and children have been foreign nationals and 'just' collateral damage.

Contango

Not to worry. Pres. Obama is giving Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador millions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to help fix the problem.

Also, VP Biden has been in Central America in order to kindly ask those govts. to try to stop the flow.

The Incompetent-in-Chief and his jester continue to stumble through history.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/ne...

JudgeMeNot

Can you imagine how much more corn will have to be grown?

Stop It

Yeah, they won't eat flour tortillas.

queenjhb

Remember when Cuba released mentally ill & dangerous criminals into boats bound for Florida. This is not the same situation, but boy here they are just the same. Enough is enough.

vcreed123

I agree with your opinions a lot of the time Matt and have said so publicly on many occasions but what you just did was very low class. You're attacking a commenter and while doing so putting words in their mouth. On this occasion I completely, 100% disagree with you, we have homeless and hungry kids here and I have no interest in helping these ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS with anything more than a bus ticket to where ever it was they came from.

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