Racist free speech

Matt Westerhold
Jun 7, 2014

 

The man wearing the gorilla costume in downtown Sandusky during Ohio Bike Week on Thursday, carrying a sign that stated “Obama's real daddy,” isn't necessarily a racist.

He just acts like one.

He isn't necessarily a member of the Ku Klux Klan; he just acts like one, wearing a different sort of hood to hide his identity.

The man in the gorilla costume, which was adorned with a dildo hanging just below the waist, doesn't necessarily have some sort of penis envy; the appendage might just have been handy, from a private collection of virtual penises.

Gorilla man probably believes he is not a racist; he might not be associated with the KKK; he might not be suffering penis envy.

Instead, he might say he was simply exercising his First Amendment right to free speech by depicting President Obama as the son of a gorilla. The First Amendment gives him the right to express himself — anonymously — hidden behind a gorilla mask, or a white hood.

If that's the case — that he doesn't believe he's racist — then he's a racist who doesn't know he's a racist.

He doesn't know how offensive the suggestion is that a man is the son of a gorilla.

He doesn't know the history how ignorant people just like him — for the better part of history — depicted blacks as having tails. Many whites actually believed God created white people, and other people were descended from apes.

It's a belief many whites shared, as well as a trait many still have: A superiority complex.

Gorilla man is a holdover from that history. He probably watches biased television news coverage produced by people who share that superiority complex, and, like him, are ignorant of their own ignorance.

He probably doesn't believe in global warming; thinks President Obama was born in Kenya; called Obama a traitor for not securing the release of a POW, Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl; and called him a traitor again after he secured Bergdahl's release.

Free speech: Even people plagued with a superiority complexes and penis envy have a right to it; even ignorant people have a right to it.

But it's a two-way street. Some readers who commented under the article at sanduskyregister.com showed their matching ignorance to the gorilla man, while others took him to task.

"What is wrong with some people and why bring it to bike week?” one commenter wrote. “(He) must have a brain the size of peanut.”

Another commenter stated: “This ignorant low IQ moron just got his or her five minutes of fame. Probably waited all year for it.”

But the offensiveness of the gorilla's useless protest aside, there is a reason free speech is important, according to another reader who posted a comment.

“The First Amendment of the Constitution guarantees free speech, it does not say 'if it doesn't offend you.' Freedom is never free, but to deny free speech, no matter how offensive, is a right that we must defend,” one commenter posted. “While I find his protest offensive, as an American, I will defend his right to speak."

 

Comments

JMOP

Oh no Mr. Westerhold, come on now. You're calling him racist, so your assuming he doesn't believe in man made global warming? So in your opinion, people who question the theory of man made global warming reported by the government are racists? (Cough cough...Al gore said all our Northern polar icecaps would be melted this year...cough cough)

Bottom Line

And the audacity of some people who actually believe this newspaper and it's editor DON'T openly lean left. With no apologies.

From the Grave

So, are we all racists for not protesting our presence in the Middle East, because we assume that everyone in those countries is a potential terrorist?
How about Chief Wahoo? If just one Native American feels that it's racist, isn't that enough to change the mascot/logo?
I still say it's Clarence Beeks...

From the Grave

I'm just proud to live in a time when we are ONLY openly negative toward: gay people, native Americans, the elderly, women and children, Asians, Middle Easterners, Jews, and anyone that wants to protect our environment(so that we continue to have a plane to live on).
What a great time to be an American!

Bottom Line

I just will never get over how liberals constantly try to preach they are all about tolerance and acceptance. Until the minute you disagree with them then you're automatically a racist or sexist. Which is why it's so difficult to have an intelligent discussion with most of them. Unreal.

Peachy Keen

You can say the same for BOTH sides of the political spectrum. It seems nowadays that NO ONE can accept the fact that people are allowed to have differing opinions than their own.

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The Hero Zone

For what it's worth, Peachy, many of the Gen-Xers/Millenials are pretty sick and tired of Mom Party and Dad Party fighting. Unfortunately until we can have a States' Convention to put term limits on Congress we literally have to wait until they die before the problems these rancorous opponents have created over a literal lifetime can be solved.

Have faith that there are reasonable, intelligent young people out there. As soon as the braying of donkeys and trumpeting of elephants ceases its cacophony those strong voices of the human species will be heard more clearly.

Blowfish

Amen. The real battle is class warfare. Racism is just a diversion that both sides love to hang onto. The lower classes fighting for scraps like stray dogs why the real masters have their way with the world.

Along the lines of what HZ said, the Millenials have their work cut out for them. Don't be surprised when they start making the hard choices we should have made 40 years ago.

freethinker1

We liberals don't call people racist because they disagree with us. We call them racist when they do or say racist things. Wearing a gorilla costume with the president's name on it qualifies.

We find it difficult to have an intelligent discussion with someone who does something obviously racist/offensive, yet who has absolutely no clue that they did something that all Americans should abhor. That is the unifying thread with Cliven Bundy, Donald Sterling and their kind, isn't it?

The Big Dog's back

Amen!

Bottom Line

The same Donald Sterling who contributed endless donations to democratic candidates for decades? The same who had received an award from the NAACP? Who was due to receive another?

ContraryAnn

Yeah,. One and the same. That's why the NAACP withdrew a second award. Money is a great gorilla suit behind which to hide one's racism.

What if it was Ricky Vitte in the costume? It's the DILDO folks.

Matt Westerhold

*Like* Freethinker's comment. 

buckeye45

Matt, you equate a goofball in a monkey suit acting racist with those watching "biased news", people with penis envy and people that don't believe in global warming. Very "tolerant" of you. Somehow it's ok to stereotype if you are a liberal but appalling if you are not. Are we to suggest that Obama supporters are free loading lazy people living off govt handouts, homosexuals, union thugs, academic types that "envy" those that can make it in the real world, and wimpy losers? Of course not....coughallofthemcough....just as absurd as your comments.

The most racist comment I've heard in Sandusky came from a person with an Obama AND Democratic bumper sticker on her vehicle. Me thinks she put those there for the same reason someone calls themselves "freethinker".

dollbaby1982

I could careless about free speech racism or any of that crap but once a person shows their hand Someone like me and others see more than meets the eye. So since he wore a Gorilla Suit claiming to look like President Obama's Daddy what he also forgot that it also gives the imagine that this Man Momma with is not of color sleep with an animal and boy o boy see folks this Man is only part I repeat Part BLACK.

ContraryAnn

huh?

The Big Dog's back

I failed to see the sign for him protesting global warming, or anything for that matter.

Donegan

But you did see the opportunity to divide people enough that your idiot president and his admin can get another 6 months of lies out of it..

ContraryAnn

huh?

bondgirlM

Why is it we try to paint everything with a "racist" paint brush. Funny how the dark skinned people can call light skinned people cracker, etc. and dark skinned people can call each other the "N" word and that's ok. But it seems anything a light skinned person says about a dark skinned person is twisted and turned around to be racist. I am so tired of this. This guy was just stupid, not ignorant. Ignorance is something you can educate someone out of but stupidity is not. The stupid just stay stupid because they do not want to know any differently. Stupid is as stupid does!

ContraryAnn

Why the assumption the costume disguised
A) a non-Caucasian
B) a male

How do we know it wasn't a member of the SR staff creating news?

Dwight K.

Someone seems to have gotten the attention they wanted...

ContraryAnn

... or the story.

AEversole

If you have allready determined weather or not you are going to take a liberal or a conservitive stand on a issue before researching it and making your self knowledgeable of the issue at hand, and you are just siding with your party or your friends from fear of how they will look at you, you are just as ignorant, and blind as the rest of these idiots. Every issue and situation is different. We live in a world that is many shades of grey, and nothing is black and white. Wake up people! Think for yourself, and do what is right. We have to many followers and not enough leaders

hard2believe

Did it ever occur to you, matt westerhold that perhaps he did it for nothing more than the attention he received?

hard2believe

If this guy was truly a racist and making his dislike for obama known, wouldnt he have been doing this prior to bike week? Instead, he waits till he has an audience of thousands of people O.o

hard2believe

My point, ignore him. Dont give him the attention he so desperately wants..he will eventually give up and go bug people with something else.

JT Adams St

Matt got this one exactly right. As for the people who suggest that the Register should have ignored this incident, I'm embarrassed to say that I've spent a lifetime ignoring this kind of behavior. In spite of the fact that I've spent the last 40 years acting like a coward and pretending not to hear offensive comments, ignorant people keep making them.

ContraryAnn

The story would have been complete without the photo

But not sensational enough for Matt.

If an ape exposing a DILDO in the presence of hundreds of children is free speech, then a man showing porn to one boy ALSO may be free speech.

But no one is upset about a representation of an erect penis - and women coming up to fondle it. Yeah, Sandusky, y'all are real cool.

And once again Matt gets it wrong.

hard2believe

...and theyre going to keep making them. Youll never stop people like this. The register shouldnt have ignored it, just report on it once and then drop it. Its like little kids, if you laugh at their bad behavior theyll continue..if you ignore them, theyll stop

sugar

What the hell does global warming have to so with racism? It's a scam to take money from producers to allow the crooks in the UN and 3rd world to squander it on themselves. Obama deserves all the crap he gets. You're a minority Matt, you and your liberal media. Come Nov you will see.

ContraryAnn

...and the Democrats in 1865 called Lincoln a descendant from apes - "Abrahamus Africanus".

And we know what happened to him.....

I

"It's a belief many whites shared, as well as a trait many still have: A superiority complex." Matt, after reading your rant, I can tell that you speak from experience. The only difference between you and the guy in the gorilla suit is that you think you're superior to everyone.

ContraryAnn

HOW DO YOU KNOW IT'S A GUY?

Wjones44

Should have had a sign that said Westerholds dad.

Blowfish

I also defend gorilla man's right to free speech. Just like I defend the West Baptist's protests at military funerals, nude marches, and flamboyant gay pride parades. However offensive speech may develop a strong reaction and steps must be taken to control the situation.

Many wonder why the police conferred with the local NAACP chapter. Not being in the room, I assume this was an attempt to explain what they can do and cannot do trying head off a possible backlash. While I personally think the NAACP is ineffective voice for all black people in this age, there was little else the peace officers can do to appear proactive. The situation could have gone south really fast. Sandusky law enforcement is not equipped to handle a flash event like this. Especially right in the middle of tourist season and Bike Week. The entire city could have been thrown into chaos and for what... a man in a sexualized gorilla suit.

ContraryAnn

WHAT ABOUT THE DILDO? A hard penis, women stroking it,... don't need to show your kids porno films - it was right there AND sufficient grounds for arrest for public indecency.

What about the DILDO MATT?

Blowfish

Matt is onto something. We have lost the 4th branch of government. News media has essentially performed a self lobotomy. Now way Watergate would have seen the light of day with what media we have now.

Great podcast that discusses this and other pressing issues is Dan Carlin's Common Sense. He truly makes a lot of sense especially if you are not a political extremist.

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2cents

It is a "two way street" but why were these people not brought to task when they intimidated and stopped people from their right to vote? I have said before that racism will never end as long as it is sponsored by the federal government and those that can make money off of it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...

deertracker

I didn't se any intimidation in that video. Big fail in trying to prove your point.

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2cents

A black panther member standing in front of a voting pole with a night stick. LOL, not even close to a doofass wearing a costume holding a sign, crazy world, crazy people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bla...

deertracker

What's intimidating about a Black Panther holding a night stick? Are you intimidated when you see white guys with their gun strapped to them?

ContraryAnn

Not me. Stupid is Stupid.
However I haven't seen any recent reports about mass killings - or even individual killings - by a black man (or Black Panther) with a night stick.

Now... massacres by white men with guns.....

jazzbo

You're on to something.

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2cents

So what is the coloration here, we are discussing a dumb act by a person, white, black, Mexican, Asian or other, male, female hiding behind a costume holding a sign. Though not good in taste how do you move into mass killing and white guys with guns strapped to ones side? I do get perplexed sometimes making a comment here, rolls eyes and heads to bed!

deertracker

How did you move into Black Panthers with night sticks? We were talking about a dumb act of someone hiding behind a costume, right?

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2cents

I think the race bating started with the comment in the article.

"He isn't necessarily a member of the Ku Klux Klan; he just acts like one, wearing a different sort of hood to hide his identity."

I also commented earlier in the article that "If we believe in evolution then the ape is everyone's daddy"

deertracker

I am so sick of the term "race baiting". You can't say anything anymore without being called a race baiter. Ridiculous! Where did we all come from? How did we get here. I don't know but I bet we all got here the same way.

The guy acted like a racist IMO!

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2cents

"The guy acted like a racist IMO!"

I agree with that comment, partially, he may also just not like the president and found his way to express it.

As for way to much use of a phrase, can we replace "right wingnut too"

tiredofthecrap

Really Matt, drink some more of that koolaide. Your commentary's suck

freethinker1

KoolAid is spelled without an "e". "Commentaries" is not a possessive form of the word; your version was misspelled and added an unnecessary apostrophe. A comma should have been added after the word "really". Your grasp of the English language sucks.

Blowfish

What Koolaide are you referring to? The Bill of Rights?

ContraryAnn

Ya gotta read the ENTIRE Bill of Rights... try the 13th and 14th amendments to begin.

...and it's good to know your kind never again will shout "unpatriotic" when some group burns a flag.

By the way...

It's about the DILDO and the lewd and lascivious acts involved using the DILDO!

What if you found out, Matt, it was RV in the suit with the DILDO?

Dr.Gonzo

Maybe this has already been addressed. But what if the guy turns out to be black?

Contango

Re: "Many whites actually believed God created white people, and other people were descended from apes."

@ Mr. Westerhold:

Who believes this? Source?

According to the Nation of Islam, through eugenics, whites were created by Yakub.

"After 600 years of this deliberate eugenics, the white race was created."

Source: Wiki, "Yakub (Nation of Islam)"

ContraryAnn

Wiki.... wow!
And in Indiana and Ohio for decades before 1861, Blacks were counted and taxed with the other livestock as apes. (Source: State tax records and assessment records). As late as 40 years ago the Assessor was an elected position and came to your house/farm to count livestock, crops, check on changes to the structure - all for tax purposes.

Contango

"And in Indiana and Ohio for decades before 1861,"

Mr. Westerhold's unsubstantiated statement was made in the past tense.

The story is about a current event.

Disprove what the NOI teaches if you disagree. I await your documentation.

LookingDown

Sad thing is, it was a black man wearing the suit! Now think about that!

ContraryAnn

And you know that how? Read it on Wiki?

LookingDown

Well let's think hard! How would one find out the skin color of the person? Maybe by sight!???!! Duh!

Trigger from Erie

"He probably doesn't believe in global warming; thinks President Obama was born in Kenya; called Obama a traitor for not securing the release of a POW, Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl; and called him a traitor again after he secured Bergdahl's release."

Or, he may be a big stereotyper (of Republicans), get his "news" from Rachel Maddow, think former Vice President Cheney's last name is "Chaney," and employ argumentative fallacies like the straw man argument (thereby making his commentaries look like they were written by a college freshman)--one might never know.

Contango

Agree.

Somewhat ironic to argue against prejudice and ignorance through the use of your own.

freethinker1

My wife read last night a report of an independent study done on how informed Americans were, with regards to political issues. The study ranked Americans from Most Informed to Least Informed:

1. Those who watch "The Daily Show" (most informed)
2. Those who listen to NPR
3. Those who watch/listen to NO NEWS at all
4. Those who watch/listen to MSNBC
5. Those who watch/listen to Fox News (the least informed).

Am I surprised? Not one bit.

JMOP

I read a report about people who make reports up.

Where did she read this report?

ContraryAnn

Liz (the sassy daughter) pronounces it Cheney.
Only one liberal commentary pronounces it differently - CHEE -nee.

Contango

About the only ethnicity which can be safely ridiculed are the Hittites, who are an extinct people.

Two Hittites walk into a bar...

The New World Czar

One can only imagine how this newspaper would go out of business if Sandusky adopted a $15/hr minimum wage ordinance like Seattle.

RETIRED NFC

Gorilla Man is obviously an idiot and he should have been shamed or forced to leave this gathering. On the other hand for Westerhold to assume he is a right wing wacko is out of line. Using Westerhold's logic I now can assume that Westerhold is either gay, or a transvestite, or a union member, or a tree hugger. We do know he's a liberal and he loves to stereotype and the media is full of his type and that is why newspapers are dying and rightly so!

The Big Dog's back

#1 terrorist threat in America-right wing wackos.

Steve P

piddle preach that to the victims of 9/11.

jazzbo

Thank the right-wing for that.

Steve P

Hardly consider, Bill "Oral Office" Clinton a right winger, he ignored the mounting terror threat for 8 years. Need I remind you of the USS Cole and his lack of going after those terrorists who were part of the same group that caused 9/11.

jazzbo

Need I remind you that Bush and the Republicans ignored the warnings of an attack ?

And do I also need to remind you that Georgie-boy let Osama bin Laden escape from Tora Bora ?

And more....

"President wants Senate to hurry with new anti-terrorism laws
July 30, 1996
Web posted at: 8:40 p.m. EDT
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Clinton urged Congress Tuesday to act swiftly in developing anti-terrorism legislation before its August recess.

"We need to keep this country together right now. We need to focus on this terrorism issue," Clinton said during a White House news conference.

But while the president pushed for quick legislation, Republican lawmakers hardened their stance against some of the proposed anti-terrorism measures.

Contango

Re: "Need I remind you that Bush and the Republicans ignored the warnings of an attack ?"

Can you point to where this damaging "fact" is in the bi-partisan 9-11 Commission Report?

http://www.9-11commission.gov/

jazzbo

And I'm supposed to look where ?

Is this off topic or an aside ? : )

FearistheMindKiller

Seriously???

Wow! Contango, often enjoy your comments but this is hogwash. That report was a joke! If you believe that report to be definitive and accurate then you need to learn more about politics and propaganda.

deertracker

You must love comedy if you enjoy Kontango's noise.

The K is for................Kessler's!

freethinker1

Matt W is not out of line. I don't know a single Democrat or Liberal who would wear an gorilla suit with Obama's name on it. Sorry kids, for truly offensive, racial stunts, the Right is the only place where people like that find a "home".

Newspapers dying out? Hardly. My son is a reporter for an Ohio newspaper in a mid-sized city. They have added to their staff and readership is up. He also writes for a newspaper in an adjoining county, in which 70% of the population subscribes.

Newspapers are finding other ways to reach their readership, through online subscriptions, online blogs (such as THIS one) and Twitter.

Contango

Re: "I don't know a single Democrat or Liberal,"

And the Nazis didn't burn the Reichstag and blame it on a Communist?

You're too gullible; misdirected dirty tricks are an old and effective political strategy.

I'm not writing that that is the case, but no rational, credible person on the political left or right would condone this nonsense.

deertracker

@Retired
What is wrong with being a liberal?

http://dictionary.reference.com/...

yea right

so Matt you are judge jury and executioner ..and you wonder why this town is messed up..between you misinforming the ppl..and the lazy no good city "so-called" leaders..this place is a JOKE

Steve P

"The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses."

Vladimir Lenin

Contango

Perhaps it just takes one buffoon like "Gorilla man" to point out another?

http://www.bloombergview.com/sli...

SamAdams

Some people would like to muzzle other people who, like "Gorilla Man," express opinions that are unpopular (for whatever reason). Some people, like Matt Westerhold, apparently think that if it causes others offense, it just shouldn't be said. These people couldn't be more wrong.

I loathed the Reverend Fred Phelps and his anti-homosexual protests (not least because his rage was taken out on military men and women who gave their lives). I'm not especially fond of "Gorilla Man," either. But even if you find such expression disgusting, there are two important points that make these things worthwhile:

1. Free speech must encompass ALL speech, or it isn't free; and

2. The more of us who find Phelps, "Gorilla Man," etc. disgusting, the more we talk and the more we actually show that such opinions have no basis in reality and a foundation that lies only in hatred.

Meanwhile, Mr. Westerhold seems to think that free speech, racism, hatred, envy, or whatever the heck else is somehow comparable to a disbelief in global warming. Silly man! Is he saying such a thing just because the President -- a black man -- DOES believe in global warming? Does he equate intelligent debate (there are two sides to that issue, too, you know!) with knee-jerk reactions to anything/anyone different? If so, then he's not a lot different than "Gorilla Man." He just speaks a bit more eloquently and with a little less of an R-rating!

The Big Dog's back

Does it offend you if I call you and others like you right wingnuts?

Steve P

No more than if I called you a far left wing democrapper, failed poltical-union hack that never worked an honest day in your life, but of course I never would say that.

The New World Czar

No, most of us aren't offended Big Dog. When you don't have a valid argument, the resort to name-calling, correct?

SamAdams

If what you thought of me actually MATTERED to me, it might! On the other hand, even if I WAS offended by it, how does that give me any excuse to demand that you never say those words again and, if you do, you are forcibly punished by one government agency or another for having opened your mouth?

The Big Dog's back

sam, not trying to muzzle you or any other right wingnut. Just own up to the thinking.

SamAdams

I didn't suggest you were trying to muzzle me by calling me (or anybody else) a "right wingnut." In your defense, you haven't really suggested here that anybody else be muzzled, either. My POINT, however, is that merely being offended by something doesn't rationalize away the rights of anybody else to say or do whatever it is that somebody else finds offensive.

As an aside, the people who tend to be MOST offended by something tend to be those who are wounded by the element of truth they perceive. You can tell me all day long that I have a small appendage, and I'll laugh because there's no truth to that at all! But if you happen to hit on one of my own personal bugaboos (and we've all got 'em!), I might feel hurt whether it's objectively true or not!

Speaking of "objectively true," and for your own future reference, I'm not a "right wingnut" largely because I don't fit too comfortably into the stereotypical right wing. I'm not fundamentally religious. I couldn't care any less whether or not you're gay. It doesn't matter to me if you smoke marijuana. And, unlike the extremists on BOTH ends of the spectrum, I don't expect you to shut up for any reason any time soon.

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^this

Steve P

The difference piddle, by your own statement, "Just own up to the thinking.", something that the far left lacks

Blowfish

Anything Obama says gorilla man will probably take the opposite position. Chances are he doesn't believe in global warming. Those on the left take global warming on faith just as those on the right take it on faith it's not happening. At some point science needs to take over the debate. I was anti climate change for the longest time until I started listening to the scientific evidence. Not to long ago we thought scientist who said the lead in gasoline was bad were full of it too.

freethinker1

Matt wasn't trying to deny free speech. He merely was saying that when people do/say something offensive, we are equally free to call them out for what they say/do. And if they do something overtly racist, we shouldn't be afraid to label them thusly.

Global warming/climate change isn't something one can choose whether or not to "believe in". Like gravity, like sunlight, it simply IS. As astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson often says, "Science is true, regardless of whether you believe it or not".

Contango

Re: "Global warming/climate change isn't something one can choose whether or not to 'believe in'."

Correlation is NOT causality.

The "believers" only make themselves look stupid when they refer to Cat 1 Hurricane Sandy as a "superstorm" and blame the property damage on AGW.

Dr. Information

But Justin Bieber can sing a song saying the N word over and over again while dashing in a line about the KKK and to the blacks, its ok, its just a joke.

huronguy2

but Black and Hispanic Rappers can use the racist term "cracker" and nothing is said????

Julie R.

This idiot is probably enjoying to the hilt his 5 minutes worth of fame.

huronguy2

WOW! so I guess free speech is when Westerhold puts a man's name and picture in this newspaper as a "suspect" but the guy is not even charged with a crime. Westerhold is a hypocrite and his bottom line is to sell newspapers with any sensational headline and controversy he can. he will pander to all but mostly liberals to make a buck because he's smart enough to know that the majority in America will soon become liberals due to the moral decline of this once great country. their is good and bad and all. The same things that make you laugh will make you cry. I will applaud Westerhold for going after corrupt government officials and agencies though, again they're two sides to every coin.

Ben Crazy

I personally get tired of the race card being used by colored poeple for personal gain! most of the time its not even a race issue. However the poeple have let them get by this way too long . It needs to stop!!!

freethinker1

I personally get tired of white/racist people who say/do overtly racist things, and then pretend to be outraged when they are correctly labeled racists. The Queen doth protest too much.

The Big Dog's back

My feelings exactly. They just need to own up to it and not pretend they aren't.

Bottom Line

You are the racist ones. We just want the same rules to apply to all people equally. You want double standards and excuses for hypocrisy.

Matt Westerhold

I think they might be oblivious, not pretending, freethinker, but others might share the fatigued feeling you describe. 

Bottom Line

How convenient for you not to acknowledge/address all the legitimate comments from others who don't share your agenda. We expect nothing less, Matt.

Matt Westerhold

Isn't this addressed in the column? Seems so, Bottom Line.

I

So, Matt, being the professional newspaper man that you think you are, and not some run-of-the-mill political hack, perhaps you can rerun your column where you condemned those who called for the execution of Bush. Seeing how outraged you are about a man in a monkey suit, one can only imagine how ballistic you went at the suggestion that a president should be assassinated. Refresh our memories of how you assigned your biased ideas to those protesters you knew nothing about.

Matt Westerhold

Did somebody at Bike Week do that, I? And really, am I going ballistic in this column? It reads rather conversational, it seems. 

I

Matt, have you only been a journalist for a week? I'm pretty sure you were around during the Bush era and saw the protests. I guess you won't be rerunning the column you wrote then. Also, I said that you were outraged, not ballistic...reading comprehension should be a must in your line of work.

Matt Westerhold

Similar to the man in the gorilla suit, you're a bit over the top I. 

Bottom Line

Matt, would you honestly claim that this newspaper, yourself included, doesn't report information and relay stories nearly every single day with a left bias promoting that agenda?

That's a very simple question that should warrant a very simple answer.

Matt Westerhold

You would think I was awaiting instructions from the Democratic Party, right Bottom Line? We get as many complaint saying the opposite of what you're suggesting, and liberal, conservative are old terms with little to do with news reporting and little impact on the how news gets reported. News is news. Your question, asking me if I can "honestly claim" something is hostile, and borders on being rude.

Bottom Line

Well, Matt, I'm certainly not trying to be rude. My sincere apologies. As for your labeling of anything I ASKED as hostile, it makes me question whether you fully understand the definition of that word. I'm not even sure that a question can be hostile, as opposed to a statement. I think I will label your side stepping of a fair question hostile.

jazzbo

Bottom Line-

Take a walk , get some fresh air.

I

Nice deflection, Matt, you should work for the White House. So, a guy in a monkey suit wearing a dildo gets you all excited, but, a bunch of idiots fantasizing about lynching a president, not so much!

Pragmatic

Matt: I don’t know if you review these posts...once there are so many of them…but, I do appreciate your article. I don't see why some readers are upset by it - it isn't like you are offering a scientific review where you are defending a theory based on research. You are offering some personal insight - as humans do. We are all going to make our assumptions about this man or woman. My assumptions are very similar to yours. Human beings cannot help to pass judgment, which is what the frontal lobes in our brains are designed to do. Our frontal lobes make judgments about what is going on in our external environment (typically, to protect us).

If we have a functioning brain, we make judgments. I appreciate your particular insight on this. Additionally, I think we can take this (the gorilla’s 15 minutes of fame) and use it as a learning moment. Why not? I'm sure that will please him/her. (Smile)

I think we need to bring one more concept into our conversation here. People keep touting their right to freedom of speech. With any freedom...comes accountability and responsibility. Americans know that. While we have freedom to say or do anything we want to, there will be consequences. Should there be? Maybe. Maybe not.

For anybody reading this who happens to have a job: Have you ever heard of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964? What does that mean in elementary terms? It means that you do not have freedom of speech under all circumstances. It means that if I were holding job interviews for a company and I found out (somehow) that a few interviewees were Catholic and I told a colleague: “I know Candidate B and Candidate E were the most qualified for the jobs, but I don’t want those Catholics around here; I know Catholics and they all have a superiority complex; I’m not hiring anyone Catholic!” (This is just an example for the sake of this communication).

Sure, I have the freedom to say it, but it is illegal and my employment could be terminated. If, somehow the candidates discovered this, the company would be sued. Is it fair that a person should lose their livelihood for touting their beliefs? That may be a moral judgment, but the law feels it’s appropriate.

I don’t know about any of you, but I know a lot of people who spend a great deal of time at work, so I think it’s important to bring this up.

While the gorilla was not “on the job”, we still cannot lose sight that there is a “line” drawn in the sand regarding freedom of speech...whether we want to believe it or not. I’ve seen so many people lose their jobs over this; and it doesn’t have to be the case. I keep up with EEOC litigation and people do lose sight of that line...between their time off and the threshold of their workplace. Yes, I know some of you may see this situation as different, but if you review the EEOC litigation statistics, you will see that people's time off blends with their workplace behavior. We just need to be mindful.

I can protest my government leaders through humiliation on the street corner on the weekends and go into work the next day and there SHOULDN’T be a problem (oftentimes, there is though). But, there will always be that underlying “assumption” about me – my reputation. This matters to some, to others...not so much.

Then again, if I protest with a mask on, nobody will ever know it’s me. I get to shake the trees a little, make some folks feel superior, others feel dehumanized...and I can escape through the jungle...ooh ooh ooh eee eee eee aah aah aah...the craven’s way.

Contango

Individuals like Mr. Westerhold are adept at practicing the Orwellian art of doublethink, i.e. the ability to hold two opposing thoughts simultaneously.

He preaches that everyone should be color blind, but uses race when it is politically convenient.

deertracker

Where's the political convenience? You do realize he is commenting about something that ACTUALLY happened?

Contango

Re: "Where's the political convenience?"

Mr. Westerhold wrote:

"Many whites actually believed God created white people, and other people were descended from apes."

A wholly unsubstantiated race-baiting statement.

Read the editorial, Sport.

deertracker

You are wrong and not up to date on your history. Surely you heard the tales of how Blacks grew tails at night. Try watching the Smithsonian channel. Lots of whites just don't want to believe in evolution because of the ape factor or only want to believe that's how Blacks came to be. Yet we are more alike than different!

Bottom Line

Again just a random statement that you throw out there. That's completely not fact at all. You can't find anything to support your outlandish claims. You're not all there are you?

deertracker
KURTje

And you Winnie? Citing wiki as a source then changing. imo. you hold only yourself as correct. Epic fail. The end.

deertracker

You are right Kurt. Pooh has the correct answer and it is ALWAYS his answer. He ALWAYS allows three point of views. His, his, and his!

Contango

Re: "Citing wiki as a source then changing."

Kookoo.

Reality: 10, kurtie: - 50.

thinkagain

So boring... Go Nadal!

The Answer Person

So when do we get to find who the guy is?

Donegan

Here is a quick litmus test.
Why did you vote for Obama?
Remember voting FOR someone based upon race makes you just as racist as those who voted against him because of race.
The main reason normal people did not vote for him is because he has no experience and as a politician he has no real record of voting on anything. "Present" is not a real vote and that's exactly what he has been doing as president ever since, He's just "Present"

deertracker

Here is your answer:
I voted for him because he was a better candidate and has a similar agenda as the majority of this country. I also thought that he knew the value of hard work and of the American people. He was very inspiring and still is. The fact that he is Black was a bonus for me.

Experienced politicians have not proven to be of any greater value.
Assuming that all the people that voted for him...TWICE are abnormal is just DUMB!

I

That's odd. When I say that I voted for McCain and Romney because they were better candidates, your side calls me a racist. When I said that their agenda encouraged Americans to be responsible, like the majority are, I was called a racist. When I thought that Obama hadn't done enough hard work in his life, other than giving speeches, to deserve being president, I was called a racist. Why the double standard?

Bottom Line

Great post, I. It's the double standard and hypocrisy of truly racist people like deer further sinking this country... And remember, "responsible" is a four letter word to those people in the context you used it in.

deertracker

The question is why did your guy lose? McCain and Romney had no real respect for or clue what the average American does.

None of your reasons for not voting for Obama are racist and I don't believe you were called one.

I

You're kidding, right?

deertracker

NOT AT ALL!!!!!!!!!

Donegan

They are not abnormal, Just stupid. Remember Bush was elected twice as well so now your in that category.
How do you even know what his agenda actually was? He voted "Present" constantly and really did much of nothing besides campaign and blow a lot of hot air. What inspired you, was it the promises that the waters will be held back or the ones about healing the planet? It does not take much to inspire morons it seems.
You voted for him because he was black or worse yet because of a letter behind his name. There was no track record of policy's he stood for unless you see something in the word "Present" the rest of the known world doesn't see.

The Big Dog's back

So from one side of your mouth you want term limits, and the other side says you must be an experienced politician. So which is it?

Donegan

I did not say experience politician. I just want someone who is experienced at leading people and stands for something. Obama has absolutely no experience at anything beside making moron racist vote for him.
Why did you vote for Obama? Was it because he stood on the corner making promises of a utopia or was all his Present votes that made you giddy to vote for him? The simple truth is you are racist and judge people by the color of their skin and not by the content of their character.

The Big Dog's back

I voted for him because like minds think alike. Now who did you vote for? I'm sure you voted for a white guy. Why, because he was white?

Donegan

LOL! So your saying Obama is retarded too? Or do you mean your both liars who have a hard time saying anything without prompts from something else?
Face it the only thing you knew about the man is he was black. That or your actually dumb enough to believe a politician from the Repubs or democrats.
That question answers itself every time you post.

deertracker

Matt's article is spot on. Especially, about the superiority complex. We are all from the same cloth like it or not. What makes any group of people better or superior? No such thing! You may be a better person but you still are not superior.

Julie R.

LIKE.

Contango

Speaking of Pres. Obama:

Caught part of an interview with director Oliver Stone.

Mr. Stone has made several movies about presidents, such as "Nixon," "JFK," & "W."

When asked about making a movie about Pres. Obama, Mr. Stone replied:

“I don’t think he’s that interesting enough. I think that’s more of a Spielberg movie.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/olive...

jazzbo

And ?

Contango

More like an 'aside,' Sport.

Your BS about the 9-11 conspiracy was off-topic. :)

Not "interesting enough." LMAO!!!

Check out "The Untold History of America" sometime:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v...

jazzbo

A Spielberg movie wouldn't be interesting ?

deertracker

How can a movie about this country's first Black President not be interesting?

Donegan

Will it show his hardships as a child living in gated communities going to private schools and then his further hardships later on in life being spoon fed every break a guy can get while going to ivy league schools?
Its pretty hard to make a movie about a guy who has sealed every aspect of his life up. What are the supposed to do, Emulate him and justy make the crap up as you go?

deertracker

What did the movie W show? Hardships? The Bush silver spoon? His business skills? His English speaking skills? How to eat pretzels? What?

Donegan

Seriously? I did not vote for Bush so in my honest opinion him and Obama are the same. The only real difference between the two is the letter behind the name and the gaggle of morons who vote for them.
Quit deflecting and answer the question, What would the Obama movie depict other than millions of brainless morons chanting his name and calling for change that rational people know isn't going to happen by electing the same people who created the problems back into office.
(Besides Obama's autobiography's have already came out they are called "2016" and "Dreams from my real father")
http://www.obamasrealfather.com/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2247...

deertracker

It's like teaching a History class with you.

1. First Black President
2. His Kenyan father and American mother
3. Political career/aspirations
4. Achievements
5. The march to the presidency
etc., etc., etc.....................

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