Go away, gay

Matt Westerhold
Jan 20, 2014

The firing of Brian Panetta as the St. Mary Central Catholic High School band and choir director is one sad story, on so many levels.

The saddest part, perhaps, is the school had the courage to hire Panetta nearly five years ago likely knowing from the beginning he was gay. That was a courageous step for a Catholic school, and Panetta thrived as director, doubling the size of the band and giving it back its “Panther Pride.”

From a believer's perspective, one might think God had a lot to do with Panetta getting hired in the first place; he served those students for 4½ years and nobody has even suggested he did not serve them, and their families, well. He, and they, both appear to have prospered from the experience.

Men and women who don't have faith often envy those who do and wish they too could be believers. From a non-believer's perspective, however, the decision to fire Panetta might appear to be a man-made occurrence in defiance of the universe, in defiance of God.

Click here to read related articles and watch interview with Panetta

It wasn't an easy decision for the school and church doctrine appears to mandate that Panetta be cast aside and sent away from the parish he loved and the parish that loved him. Panetta could have stayed as long as he didn't make a “public” statement about who he really was, as long as he agreed to deny his own self-worth in front of the God who created him, and the world.

It's difficult for many to understand that hide the sin-use the sinner hypocrisy. It creates an image of Panetta being cast out in shame from the great institution St. Mary's is, and always has been, despite past difficulties with real sexual misconduct involving priests.

There also likely have been gay parishioners who gave a lifetime of devotion to the church and school, and past staff members at St. Mary's, who, as long as they denied their own sexual identities, were allowed to “sin” and prosper in the faith.

Making good people hide their true selves, for people of faith, must be like forcing them to deny God's perfection in creating them differently than he created others. And it's likely those past people of faith struggled with that every day of their faithful lives.

Understanding God is easier, perhaps, than understanding church doctrine, and the decision to fire Panetta does appear to have come more from outside Sandusky, and even outside the reach of the Toledo Diocese..

Again, these were difficult decisions made in the clash of 2,000-year-old tradition and belief system against the modern enlightenment that every person — regardless of orientation — has the right to love and marry the person they choose, and to love God.

But the battle over words that ensued after Panetta was fired, over the terminology to describe the separation and who made the decision, also seemed disingenuous. It was a speak the lie-hide the truth approach. Panetta was fired. Period. If they agreed to let him return, he likely would be at the school Monday morning.

Initially, school officials seemed to want to make it clear that Brian resigned, and was not fired. But firing someone one day and giving them the chance to resign a week later or remain fired is still a firing. It's sad that the “public face” they hoped to portray is not the “true face.”

There was a similar word game as to where the decision was made, with the Diocese initially suggesting it was a local decision, and local school officials suggesting it was forced by the diocese. In the end, the edict likely comes from Rome, and the men and women involved here appear to have tried their best to do what they felt compelled to do.

And one last time, these were difficult decisions in a changing world involving a religion that cherishes its traditions and beliefs and is slow to change or evolve. Local decision makers and the Diocese missed an opportunity to speak truth and foster a change that many — including Catholics — believe is needed.

Panetta seems to be a person more clear in his convictions who knows who he is, as a man, as a teacher, as a Catholic and as a musician and future spouse to Nathan than most of us do.

And he should know, his presence in Sandusky has changed us and sparked a conversation that might never have happened without him. It is truly a teachable moment, as he suggested, and the lessons for his students, especially, and for the community at large, will be reviewed and considered by many for a long time to come.

Watch the "between the Lines" interview with Panetta

 

Comments

Unassumer

What's a shame is that so many people believe the teachings of a religion that attempts to control and shut out many and a book that was not written by any god and promotes violence to and obedience from women. Few question it, yet its origins are in question and the contents may not even have been translated properly. People have 'faith' (an ambiguous term) but no compassion for other people that do not act or live as they do. How can that be 'christian'? To truly be a good christian would be to accept everyone despite their differences. Most just believe what they were taught as children and carry it into adulthood without even questioning any of it. I am glad that I am not catholic because I would have to renounce the religion as an adult. I do renounce most religion anyway because of the hypocrisy and cult like following of most of them. No one knows what God wants from us but if we treat others as we would want to be treated and don't go along with ridiculous opinions of the majority, I think we're farther ahead than by going to church and reading a book that is only good in parts.

Pterocarya frax...

Matt said: "Men and women who don't have faith often envy those who do and wish they too could be believers."

Where did you pull that gem from Matt?

IT'S ME

LOL, for me God is the same as Santa Clause. A story someone made up years ago, there is no Rudolph and never was a baby Jesus.

bondgirlM

lol wow...you may not believe in God but a man named Jesus did exist and was born as a baby. That's a historical fact.

starryeyes83

Maybe , maybe not, there's no absolute proof that he was ever born.

John Harville

oh bondgirl... "That's a historical fact." NOT. There is no record except Biblical accounts and even they differ. There is no long-form birth certificate.
There is as much written about Buddha and Mohammed as about Jesus - the only thing that MAY support the Jesus story is that it is told in the Talmud and the Q'ran... of course he's only a prophet and did not 'arise'.
"For those who believe no proof is necessary, for those who doubt, no proof is enough."
And even if Jesus did/does exist, I've seen little on any of these sites following his command 'to love one another as I have loved you'.
Have you?

bondgirlM

You are absolutely incorrect. It is written about in Roman times as are many of the things that are in the Bible surrounding that era in time including the star that shone brightly over the town of Bethlehem and the order of Caesar to kill all children under the age of two near the time of Jesus' birth. The Romans were very fastidious in their records keeping and documentation of historical facts.

John Harville

Bondgirl. Citations, please.
- Actually it was Herod, King of the Jews who allegedly ordered the killing of infants under the age of three - two years after Jesus was born. -Bible
- Actually, as an astrologer just taught on a Christian Television program, that 'star' - Jupiter (Saturn?) in retrograde - appears every year.
- The Romans cared very little about a baby born in Bethlehem in Judea under the monarchy of Herod. The Romans kept no records of Jewish babies born in Africa
- The entire Jesus' birth story was created by Matthew et al to 'prove' Jesus was the Messiah of Isaiah and other Old Testament books. There was no record until Mark wrote a few decades later and then Matthew went into great detail with the 'begats' to prove the lineage.
BELIEVERS like me don't really care about the story or the 'facts. God came to Earth to walk among us in an attempt to understand us. Jesus was a prophet recognized in the Talmud and the Qu'ran along with his mother and his mission.
God wants us to know that three things abide - Faith, Hope and Love (Charity) and the greatest is love.. maybe the one time Paul got it right.

sugar

John your posts are fascinating!! Please keep us updated with your inside knowledge.

bondgirlM

Check out roman documentation also along with caesar's accounts as you are correct about herrod and the birth it was the Romans who documented a man named Jesus' death. It is a fact he lived whether you want to believe it or not. Son of God? That is your determination to accept or reject. Again the man that signed the contract with SMCC knew, as we all do, what the Catholic Church's beliefs are and decided to sign on the line. Why all the hoopla now?

John Harville

Cite the Roman documentation, please.
'Jesus' or 'Yeshua' (Joshua) was among the most common name for boy babies named for the hero who led the Israelites into the Promised Land and "fought the battle of Jericho".
Want to give me some other 'fact' about Yeshua bar Yusef. Remember God did not name his only 'begotten' son.
Even the Catholic church doesn't know what its beliefs are - left entirely to the local parish priest or school president to interpret.
I speak as one who 'represented' the Church in its pedophile priest case several years ago, under the auspices of an attorney, of course.
You can sign any contract you want... but if it's not a legally binding contract, it's worthless.
You cannot sign away your constitutional rights.

Babo

You were or are a lawyer? That's hard to believe in view of the fact that you do not understand fundamental legal principles. Or did you misrepresent your "representation" of the Church?

sugar

Aren't you?

Babo

My status is irrelevant as I'm not the one claiming to represent the Roman Catholic Church in legal proceedings involving pedophilia. If John Harville is a lawyer then it's not a problem (other than the Church could have claims against him for violating privilege).

But if he isn't a lawyer and he claims he represented the church in legal matters then he engaged in the unauthorized practice of law.

sugar

I don't think so, are you?

John Harville

There are many areas of law practice not requiring one to be a lawyer. One can 'represent' under supervision of a lawyer... do the research, write the briefs, sit at the table, prepare depositions...
What privilege? The outcomes are part of public record.
Beyond that, as a Catholic I 'represent' the Church every time I speak, write...
...just like you - Catholic or not - represent the Church every time you regale us with your knowledge of law and the Bible.

Babo

The only area of law where one can "represent" someone without being a lawyer is before the Patent and Trademark Office. Other than that if you work under a lawyer, it is the lawyer who represents the client not the law researcher.

Any lawyer has a duty of loyalty to a client and should not engage in conduct detrimental to the client such as disparagement of the client in public forums.

You do not represent the Catholic Church nor do I when we post our opinions.

John Harville

BABO... or Pro Se - which is another form. Then one gets to participate as part of the defense. Or am I wrong on that, too?

Babo

Yes. Pro se means to represent yourself as an individual in a court of law.

John Harville

...or as a party or interested person.

Babo

A person appearing pro se can only represent their own interests as an individual as a party or as a third party (interested party. An individual who is not a lawyer is never allowed to represent any person or entity other than themselves.

Pragmatic

Mr. Westerhold, this is very well written. Thank-you.

I realize it’s a viewpoint. But, I do not agree that people who don’t have “faith” have any envy for those who do. People who don’t categorize themselves into a religion or people so don’t believe in a Supreme Being aren’t envious of people who believe in a God (at least, from my viewpoint – I could be wrong, we’re all different). I think people who are Atheists (or….whatever they may be) are just as devoted to their beliefs as someone who prays to a statue or kneels to a God. Honestly, I don’t think there is any envy.

That being said, Mr. Westerhold, I know you’re a journalist…and writing is your job. But, I have to say it…you really have a way with words. This is a nicely done piece.

John Harville

Beware of confusing 'faith' and 'religion'. The second seldom involves the first.

From the Grave

The vast majority of our belief/faith is fear based(don't strike me down), with the rest being hope based(help me get through this). I can't believe in a God that is vengeful OR selective in bestowing good fortune. I CAN believe in a God that experiences the world through us, and who considers me as important as everything, and everyone else in the world.
Catholicism seems 100% fear based to me.

thinkagain

“as long as he agreed to deny his own self-worth in front of the God who created him, and the world.”

That is exactly what all followers of Christ must do.

Matthew 16:24-25
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

“forcing them to deny God's perfection in creating them differently than he created others.”

Like all sin, the homosexual life style is a choice made from free will. A deviation from Gods plan for His children.

Matthew 19:4-5
4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’

5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?

The author pretending to understand a believer’s perspective is quite amusing.

Pirate1334

Thinkagain, I couldn't have said it any better myself. Thank you.

sandman312

Sorry, but a 2000+ year old book of make believe stories does not trump a 225 year old US Constitution prohibiting discrimination.

Pirate1334

First, don't spew your own interpretation of the Bible and try to pass it off as fact. Second, you're referring to the same U.S. Constitution that allows freedom of religion, and yet the government has continually tried to crush those rights.

sash

How so?

Pirate1334

One example would be forcing religious institutions to pay for health services such as abortion that directly go against the teachings of Christians. "Freedom of religion" but we're going to force you, by law, to support services against your doctrines.

John Harville

Pirate 1334...then the Government shouldn't 'force...by law' Catholic institutions like hospitals, nursing homes, children's homes, etc. to take Medicare payments or accept patients/residents who make you 'representative payee' for their SS to pay their nursing home bills.

John Harville

Pirate 1134
First.. don't spew your own interpretation of the Bible and try to pass it off as fact. That's heresy - and the Church has a variety of ways to continue burning heretics.
Second...The Constitution - despite what the ConGANGos try to tell you, allows all of us to believe or not believe as we choose - and you can't do anything about it.
Third... The "Government" really could care less about religion. Even the currency didn't say In God We Trust until 1956 and the the postwar Red Scare of the fifties, about the same time "under God" was added to the pledge to state that the pledgers were not Communists. Prior to that the unofficial motto on money and elsewhere was "E Pluribus Unum" - "From Many, One".

chasf

in Ohio you can be fired for any reason they want

mikesee

Not to mention that he signed a contract and knew that any violation COULD result in being fired. SMCC took advantage of the clause.

John Harville

mikesee... any relation to holysee?
Key word "MAY (not could) result in being fired."
SCCS (let's get it right) 'may' have taken advantage of the clause to allow resignation effective at schoolyear's end. Think is, he did not publicly announce his intention - he told her privately.
This all comes back to Melody... which may be SOP since she left her previous - similar - position after less than a year due to performance.

Karma2u

John..Curious do you know this to be true about curtis's last position...I see that you do not drink her"kool-aid" which is refreshing.....hoping that more people in Sandusky including the powers at be see through her glass house I am sure if they googled her and her family (sons) they would come up with some interesting information....hoping it is not to late for SMCC as it was was for her two previous schools who I have heard are still recovering

John Harville

...if the employer is willing to pay unemployment...

Dcfred20036

The Archdiocese of Cincinnati lost a case in federal court: A teacher who sued the archdiocese for firing her after she became pregnant through artificial insemination won her anti-discrimination lawsuit. She was awarded more than $170,000.

Babo

@Sandman312.

In fact the First Amendment to the US Constitution in 1791 expressly protects the "free exercise of religion". The first ten amendments (Bill of Rights) were adopted shortly after the US Constitution itself which in its original form consisted of six articles. The Bill of Rights were drawn in large part from moral teachings or natural law from the Judiac Christian tradition found in the Bible.

The Constitution (the document you revere) in its original form applied only to white men. The US Constitution had to be amended three times to allow black men to vote and be full citizens(13th Amendment); to apply constitutional rights to citizens (only men of any race) to the states (14th Amendment) and then in 1920 to allow women of all races to vote and be considered full citizens. (19th Amendment)

So the free exercise of religion (really the right to free thought and conscience)dates to the founding of this nation, while the Constitution has been used since the beginning of this Country to discriminate against large classes of people.

Jesus Christ taught in parables i.e. simple stories that taught a complex moral lesson. His truths are eternal while the thoughts of man are ephemeral.

John Harville

Babo "So the free exercise of religion (really the right to free thought and conscience)dates to the founding of this nation (YOU MEAN 1791?), while the Constitution has been used since the beginning of this Country (YOU MEAN 1776 OR 1620 OR 1607?) to discriminate against large classes of people." YOU MEAN LIKE THE PURITANS WHO FORCED THE CATHOLICS INTO RHODE ISLAND? OR THE PURITANS WHO OUTLAWED THE OBSERVANCE OF CHRISTMAS?

Or perhaps the 'mixed marriage laws' that imprisoned couples who married who were Black and White? Many branches of 'the church' said such marriages were prohibited by the Bible (even though among Jesus' ancestors were Boaz and his Moabitess Ruth).

Huh?

Babo

What is your point John?

The freedom to exercise one's religion or no religion dates back to the original settlers. It is why the states insisted it be included in the First Amendment to the Constitution in 1791. All of the rights in the First Amendment [speech, association, press, religion (establishment and exercise clauses), petition for redress] together protect expression of ideas or freedom of conscience from the government.

Obviously the Country officially began upon the signing of the Constitution by the representatives of the 13 States. That document did not include the original Bill of Rights which were ratified in 1791.

The original Constitution did not grant rights to black men nor to any women. Thus, racism and sexism are part of the history and actions of the government of this nation. The religious examples you cited were by private religious groups and are therefore not relevant to the discussion.

The example you cited of government banning marriage between black and white men or women is relevant because it demonstrates the government's history of white male domination seeking to outlaw activities by black men and women or white women. This example underscores the government's history of discrimination against blacks and women.

However, the fact that some religions believe interracial or more accurately inter ethnic marriage to be contrary to the Bible is not relevant as again religious groups are free to believe what they want to believe. Even today, ethnic racial discrimination exists in some religions and is protected expression of conscience. For example do Hassidic Jews marry outside their ethnic group?

Finally I note that you ignore the long standing government sanctioned discrimination against blacks and women and tried to distract from the real issues. Therefore isn't it fair for me to draw the conclusion from your lack of concern with the history of government endorsed discrimination against blacks and women that you are likely a white male who views blacks and women as inferior to you?

sugar

No racism or sexism in the Catholic church, eh?

Babo

I do not discern racism or sexism in the "Church".

sugar

But I did.

John Harville

no sexism in the church...?
So when is the ordination service for the first female priest? Or even a female deacon.

John Harville

BABO "freedom to exercise...dates back to the first settlers..."? The Puritans allowed free exercise of religion? They outlawed Christmas, turned away Catholics....

"...obviously the country officially began on the signing of the Constitution..." What about the Articles of Confederation under which the nation operated from 1763 and the Continental Congress. The Constitution was born in a convention called in May of 1787 to revise the Articles - a lie told to Congressmen so they would come. When they arrived the doors were locked and windows sealed. the Articles continued to be the law of the land until September 1789 when it was ratified by 11 states - two southern states refused to ratify until they were promised a Bill of Rights - which finally was ratified in December 1791.
You incorrectly imply my race from your invalid restatement of my prior positions when you try to talk about the rights of the Constitution in an effort to distract others from my points.
Great tactic... but it won't work here. And you WILL NOT draw out my identity.

Peninsula Pundit

'The author pretending to understand a believer’s perspective is quite amusing.'
I took time to read the whole article.
Sadly, I don't see his opinion to be pretense, but incorrect conclusions based on the assumption of the tenets of a faith he has only anecdotal knowledge of. Seeing, yet he does not see, hearing, yet not understanding.
Since this is opinion, I guess one cannot say that this is poor journalism. But it is clearly an uninformed opinion.

I can tell you that any employer will fire an employee who is loved by all,does great work,shows up on time,etc. if they break a rule which has nothing to do with the work performance of the employee.
It happens everyday, in fact.
Everyone seems to be on board with employers being able to have direct control over what their employees do on their personal time.
What the school has done is no different.

John Harville

Oh ye misguided Pundit.
If your employer follows the standard you set, then your employer also probably agrees to pay Unemployment benefits rather than go through the long process of fighting such a claim for firing an employee "if they break a rule WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WORK PERFORMANCE..."

BTW... how dare you say Matt has "only anecdotal knowledge". Are you inside his head and heart? Do you know his beliefs?

From the Grave

Since those things were written back when a plague could wipe out most of humanity, it would make sense to have as many kids as possible. Maybe God has created a new plan now since we are on the verge of over populating the planet, and all dying from starvation. Don't limit God~only man is limited.

John Harville

The Church set its standards for marriage, procreation, sexual activity for one reason - to grow the Catholic population.
the Church even openly states the purpose of marriage is procreation.
Long before the Church appeared, laws and traditions abounded. "Caesar's wife must not only be free of sin but free of the appearance of sin."
A woman had to be a virgin - and married - so the man could be sure his heirs were his.
Jewish and other faiths' lineage is traced through the mother (it truly was only important that Mary be of the lineage of David) while inheritance is through the father. 'It is a wise man indeed who knows his own son."
Thus Deuteronomy says a woman found not to be virgin on her wedding night MUST be slain.
I'ts why if a wife died childless, her husband's male relative - usually father or brother - had sex with her until she conceived so her husband's line would not perish.

John Harville

thoughtlessagain. STOP using the Bible as a weapon. If truly believe it to be the inspired word of God/Jesus, then cease pulling forth some verses out of context to support your perverse interest in holding yourself up as supreme interpreter.

When did you decide you would be heterosexual?

John Harville

Unthinkagain. Why are you not man enough to post ALL of Matthew 19? Oh..because it puts your whole premise in the trash.

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Donald Szpozors

Excellent piece, Mr. Westerhold. Very eloquent and well written. And I agree 100% with the above poster- the vast majority of our belief/faith is fear based. Its origins and content is 'always' misinterpreted by people who paraphrase and interpret it to their own personal advantages. Hence why the Northcoast region and male population is closeted beyond compare. They are often married with families or ordained priests, etc. using the façade of religion and 'family values' to hide their secret. Shameful. Embrace your sexuality to its fullest in all your senses, your spirit and your love.

Contango

@ Mr. Westerhold:

How much energy, ink and pixels do you want to continue to expend in attempting to keep this pot boiling?

Other than being a blatant provocateur, not one of your editorials are going to change past circumstances or church doctrine.

As Mr. Panetta said, the school essentially had a 'don't ask, don't tell' policy.

In telling his superior of his engagement he essentially broke that covenant.

Was he totally unaware of the potential risks involved when he first took the position?

Move on and save this story for a future: "Today in History."

John Harville

Forgive Contango, folks. He loves being wrong.

Past circumstances ARE being changed in and out of the Catholic Church. As one closely in the litigation of the entire Pedophile Priests lawsuit, I can assure much has changed. Compensations and reparations still are being made.
Church Doctrine has changed dramatically over decades and over a few months - and WILL change again dramatically. Until now the Diocese could condone/ignore the LGBTQ personnel in its churches and schools.
It also could ignore adultery, in-vitro and surrogacy, and other similar issues OR quietly expunge the individuals from the ranks.
No longer. Melody Curtis has opened a serious can of worms that the Diocese - with which its interim administrator has no power to try to close.
Mr. Westerhold aside, this pot will keep boiling. After all there is a gay bar downtown....

Contango

Re: "Compensations and reparations still are being made."

Come up to speed:

U.S. dioceses continue to file for bankruptcy, leaving payouts in limbo.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/na...

John Harville

Huh, Contango. The noble upright Catholic Church is still 'raping' its victims by trying to wriggle out of 'compensations and reparations' which - as I said - still are being made.

Babo

John: The Catholic Church is exercising its constitutional and legal rights under the American system of justice. One of those legal protections is to file bankruptcy to ensure a fair distribution of assets to creditors including lawsuit judgments. Do you now wish to deny Catholics and only Catholics the right to equal protection under the law, and the right to petition for redress just as you wish to deny them their rights to privacy and practice their faith?

Wow, you are possibly the most thoroughly anti American poster on this website!

Also, why aren't you as concerned with pedophilia and crimes of violence perpetrated by law enforcement? (the incidence is much higher than in the RCC)

sugar

Diocese in Cali just did file bankruptcy. I take it you're not a big victims advocate?

Babo

Sugar:

It's unwise to jump to conclusions. Do you understand that the bankruptcy process is intended to level the field so that all victims have a chance at payment; not just the few with the biggest mouthpieces or connections to the media?

sugar

Even a bigshot lawyer like you can't fool me about bankruptcy following scandals. Bankruptcy is complicated but it usually involves a lack of funds to meet obligations. Now who may be owed those obligations?

Babo

Well you're wrong. The process of Bankruptcy allows all creditors to have access to available funds to pay debts including legal judgments. It is more likely all the victims of cleric sexual abuse will be paid something if the Church files bankruptcy rather than a few victims receiving a lot of money.

Gosh it's always about the money. Nobody really cares what happens to the students/children/school do they as long as Mr. Panetta, the SR and the activists get their pound of flesh, publicity and or "victim" status.

sugar

Actions have consequences. Your right on one account NO ONE but Mr. Panetta cared about the students, least of all the President.

Babo

We disagree. Mr. Panetta cared only about himself and his needs.

sugar

Now you attack Panetta? Not enough to attack your fellow Catholics who disagree with you? Sorry dude YOU don't get to decide all by yourself the direction of the Church, most likely when people speak to you they tell you what they think you want to hear because you're a bully. But surprise, surprise I am a nobody so I get the truth, and it's not looking good for your side.

John Harville

sooo. the church doesn't have to pay taxes... but is entitled to utilize the system?

John Harville

BABO.. separation of church and state is ONLY when the church wants it?

John Harville

BABO. You have no valid points remaining so now you decide to libel and label me as anti-American?

Even if I vaguely qualified as a 'public figure', outright lies you know to be lies written with malice are actionable if the MODERATOR doesn't remove the post - and the poster.

John Harville

MODERATOR. Remove the offensive, libelous post, please.

sanduskymom

"outright lies you know to be lies written with malice are actionable"

Oh good.....I hope Mrs. Curtis remembers this about YOUR comments!

sugar

Holding a president responsible for problems in their organization is not liable it's called a accountability. Which every president signs up for from POTUS to Curtis.

John Harville

Sanduskymom... I wish Mrs. Curtis would come forward and call out my lies... but I have statements and news releases to support my opinions. Also I have only spoken of her public actions in her role with SCCS and MCES
Unlike comments on here about me, I have doubted nor disparaged her faith, her personal life (even though she spoke of her husband and sons on her profile on the Lourdes University site), her personal beliefs.
Unlike comments on here about me, I have not doubted her sincerity as an administrator though I have questioned her judgment... which is a right of anyone when a 'public figure' acts in his/her public capacity.
I know of nothing I've written that is a lie - outright or otherwise - and I have not been malicious in asking if she, as administrator, considered the broad ramifications her actions would have on the school and the students.

Karma2u

Hoping that the Diocese uses this "can " to OUST CURTIS!

Pirate1334

Mr. Westerhold and SR, you remind of a disgruntled friend of someone's ex. For heaven's sake, both Mr. Panetta and SCCS have moved on from this. How long are you going to milk this story? It's done and over with and no amount of public conversation is going to make the Church change its teachings.

Matt Westerhold

Thanks Pirate1334 for your thoughts and being part of the ongoing dialogue occurring. Obviously, there are readers and others who continue to be interested in this topic and who, like you, want to share their opinion. Your suggestion our intent is to "milk" this story isn't accurate. If you choose not to participate any further, there are other stories and commentary you can read here at sanduskyregister.com and perhaps you should consider simply skipping this coverage and commentary and find something else to read.  

Contango

@ Mr. Westerhold:

The point: Is there anything new to report or are you merely churning an old tired story?

BTW: I did watch most of your webcast with Mr. Panetta and found that it shed some new light on the topic. My compliments.

Matt Westerhold

Thanks Contango. Some viewers seemed disappointed in the interview so I'm happy you saw some value to it. This post is an editorial column in which I offered my thoughts on what occurred. That's been part of the role of an editor at any newspaper for more than 200 years. This has been a community conversation about a difficult topic. The role of a newspaper is to encourage dialogue, not to shut it down. Again, obviously there is a lot of interest in this story. Suggesting it is an "old, tired" story just isn't accurate.  

Contango

Re: "obviously there is a lot of interest in this story."

IMO, based on Mr. Panetta's demeanor of being a desirer of privacy, as I perceived it during the webcast; I gotta think that he would kinda wish that this story would go away and that he and his partner could just move on.

Matt Westerhold

I haven't been contacted by Mr. Panetta as to his thoughts and you are assuming you know what he might be thinking. But I did meet with him and don't share your opinion as to what his desire might be, nor am I assuming I know. On the flip side, this story and the continuing coverage has sparked a high level of reader interest and the desire by many to share their thoughts, as you have. 

Contango

Re: "I haven't been contacted by Mr. Panetta as to his thoughts,"

Perhaps out of consideration you should contact him and inquire as to his thoughts?

I can't imagine that this continuing publicity from your soapbox is conducive to his finding gainful employment.

I've essentially previously voiced my views on the situation.

IMO, your editorials have now become a case of the tail wagging the dog.

Matt Westerhold

Generally, newsmakers do not decide when news coverage or commentary ends. Also, having met Mr. Panetta, my guess is that your assumption is not correct. 

Contango

@ Mr. Westerhold:

Re: "newsmakers do not decide when news coverage or commentary ends."

And then for what purpose did God create editors? :)

Have a nice day.

And thank you for the forum and your responses.

Pirate1334

Mr. Westerhold, in your video interview with Mr. Panetta, he repeatedly said he didn't consider himself to be an activist on the subject. He did, however, admit that he can see where the public may get that interpretation. Nonetheless, he was adamant that he doesn't see himself being an activist from this point forward, despite the fact that you continually referred to him as one throughout the interview, including during the closing. To me, that sounds an awful lot like you have an incorrect understanding of his desires.

Also, the "continuing coverage" that has "sparked a high level of reader interest" was completely fabricated by the Register. This editorial, though typical of a journalist, is not necessary outside of pushing the story and getting as many clicks as possible.

Matt Westerhold

Newspapers have been in the business of selling newspapers for quite some time, just as the Ford Motor Co. has been in the business of selling cars. Since it appears that between the two of us I'm the only one who has had a conversation with him, I might be in a better position to know where he's coming from than you might be. But again, newsmakers don't decide when to cut of coverage, or commentary on a topic. 

Pirate1334

At least you're finally willing to admit this editorial has more to do with selling newspapers than reporting new information.

You might be, you might not be.

For the record, Mr. Westerhold, I have no personal vendetta against you or the Register. I'm simply supporting my stance on the issues at hand and challenging yours. I do appreciate your standing firm in your position and engaging directly in dialogue with your readers.

Matt Westerhold

I've been in the business of selling newspapers for two decades and have never been in denial about that. I appreciate your comments. 

Pterocarya frax...

If I were Mr. Panetta, and I really wanted the story to go away, I would not have done a televised interview....but that is just me.

I see him more as realizing he must be a sacrificial lamb...to further promote the dialog and understanding that it's okay to be gay. If that is accurate, then I applaud him for putting his neck out there.

Dcfred20036

When an injustice happens, the story gains a life of its own: now this is bigger than Mr. Panetta and St. Mary. People here in Washington, DC are discussing it....and the clip that was played on WUSA-9 (CBS) simply made the school look cruel, the part about him not being allowed to say goodbye to his students. The whole thing is just extremely sad. People keep asking me where is the outrage in Sandusky....there is I respond, just quiet, via social media. The Toledo Blade editorial touches on similar themes as this wonderful, thoughtful piece by the SR. As Oprah used to like to say, "when we know better, we do better". Well, let's hope that going forward St. Mary now knows better and does better in the future. I really do love the school and I want to save it from itself.

Dcfred20036

I thought the only issue with the webcast was the sound problem at the beginning. It was good to hear Brian's side, his own words, in an unedited way. I wished Alissa had participated more.

John Harville

Well said... along with your well-written editorial.
Some realize also their are 'Open and Affirming' churches in Sandusky whose members 'embrace all of God's children' - something the Catholic church only pretends.
Some of us who can claim true ecumenism understand the religion is 'human rules' for trying to understand 'faith' - in God or Allah or non-God - for which there are, by definition, no rules.
True ecumnism: delivered - and circumsized with full Briss - by a rabbi in a Catholic church to a Presbyterian mother who surrended the infant for adoption by a Methodist mother (with Mennonite background) and a Quaker father who divorced and remarried a southern Baptist (she) and a Catholic (he) which placed both parents forever in the sin of adultery.
I know... it's all meaningless. But I've been challenged here several times. I married Lutheran and became a baptized Catholic wherein I prepared 8th graders for confirmation and taught in Catholic schools and led Cathedral choirs all the while preparing for the lay ministry and diaconate.
Thereby came my firm resolve never to let religion interfere with or mask my faith.
Keep going Matt. This story has legs that reach all the way to the Vatican.

JMOP

There's a reason that this "book" has lasted more than 2000 years. It's the word of God. Time doesn't take away the truth.

"Panetta seems to be a person more clear in his convictions who knows who he is, as a man, and teacher, as a Catholic and as a musician and future spouse to Nathan than most of us do." Than most of us do? Such a judgement don't you think Mr. Westerhold?

If you really believe Panetta is a man of his convictions, please accept it like he has, and move on to another story.

Matt Westerhold

Thanks JMOP. It was an observation, not a judgment. 

JMOP

Thank you Mr. Westerhold, but it was an observation followed by a conculsion and opinion, aka a judgement.

John Harville

The Church calls it 'the word of the Lord' but then teaches that it is 'inspired' writing - but the writers were not scribes into whose ear God whispered.
They were writing from their experiences remembered decades later. The Old Testament wasn't even written until centuries after the events...it was oral tradition.
It lasts because people still need a weapon for beating people into submission - and because a lot of other people like to share the love and forgiveness it contains.

SamAdams

Well written? Yes. Do I agree with the sentiment at least? Yes. But THAT ISN'T THE POINT!

Whether you agree with the Catholic perspective on homosexuality is immaterial. The bottom line is that Mr. Panetta signed a contract, and then he violated it. Period. The end.

I don't care what faith you personally have or do not have, Mr. Westerhold. In fact, I don't really care what faith ANYbody espouses as long as they don't infringe the rights of others as they practice it. Mr. Panetta's rights weren't violated here. He agreed to adhere to the teachings of the Catholic Church and then he decided not to. I'm not faulting him for being true to himself as you might put it. In fact, I admire him not only for that act but for his dignity in discussing the aftermath. But attempting to coerce a church to change its doctrine by suggesting discrimination? If anything's a violation of the First Amendment, it would be that!

Matt Westerhold

Thanks SamAdams. I am not attempting "to coerce a church to change its doctrine."  I merely offered an opinion on a topic that has generated a great deal of conversation, just as you have.   

Dcfred20036

I, personally, find inspiration in the Pope's following remarks:

"I prefer a church which is bruised, hurting and dirty because it has been out on the streets, rather than a Church which is unhealthy from being confined and from clinging to its own security," -Pope Francis

What we are witnessing now, even in the SR's discussion forum, is part of this: Pope Francis wants us to shake things up!

John Harville

Happy Birthday Pope Francis!!!

John Harville

the final issue here will - IS - the validity of the contract.

"attempting to coerce a Church to change a doctrine...? Were you around for Pedophile Priest scandals? The CHURCH initially tried to claim FIRST AMENDMENT rights in that one too.

Mr. Panetta's rights WERE violated. Or did I miss the part where ANYONE claimed/proved Mr. Panetta and his boyfriend actually have 'consummated' their relationship? Did I miss the part where they GOT MARRIED? The Church's Doctrine says those men and women who claim homosexual attraction in their lives are to be loved, counseled and encouraged to understand the Church's position - LOVED being the key.
The pastors - F. Steinbauer et al - and Melody Curtis as well as the Board could have taken time to discuss this more fully and consider a plan that would protect the school and its students from adverse and painful controversy. If any of them are naive enough to not know the expected fallout then they should not be in their positions.
"this I command, that you love one another as I have loved you." - Jesus (who did NOT write the Catechism.

ladydye_5

"Men and women who don't have faith often envy those who do and wish they too could be believers." - WOW. Why would you even THINK such a thing? I would never want to be lumped in with such a crowd. The way many of the "believers" treat others.....I would never want to be labeled as such.

sandman312

Westerhold,
Where did the story on Chief Ricci's retirement go? Did you guys realize it was a misjudgement on your part to publish it online as it was written?

Sorry this is off topic, but I figured you were at least checking these comments. SR took away the story and comments on Ricci's retirement. Why was it deleted if the role of the paper is to encourage dialogue, not shut it down as you claim above?

Matt Westerhold

The Ricci resignation article was pretty straightforward. There was some sort of coding problem that knocked it down the stream, but it's been restored. 

Centauri

http://www.news-medical.net/news...
"Homosexuality is quite common in the animal kingdom, especially among herding animals. Many animals solve conflicts by practicing same gender sex."

http://www.yalescientific.org/20...
"Recent research has found that homosexual behavior in animals may be much more common than previously thought"

thinkagain

I bet you’re glad your mom doesn’t believe the same way you do. In the animal world, some mothers eat their young…

Babo

Gosh isn't it insulting to men to analogize sex in the animal kingdom (yes I know Humans are in the animal kingdom) to sexual relations among humans? After all in the animal kingdom females in general other than human females cannot have sexual activity except when fertile.

It is this unique gift of human sexuality between a man and a woman that distinguishes us from animals. Part of the reason for this ability is the fact that a human child does not attain adulthood for 18 years and needs to be raised and nurtured in a family unit. Thus the loving act between a man and woman binds them together as a family.

The behavior described in these articles is a substitute for male violence and is a form of domination. It is how males establish dominance in their group. So these types of articles are really debasing to humans as it equates our behaviors (male primarily) as no better than animal behavior and infers that human males lack self control. We expect humans to practice self control and keep impulses in check in all areas of our lives.

Thus for me sexual activity outside a loving marriage between a man and a woman indicates a form of primitive animal behavior in people that are not suitably for a lack of a better word "evolved". Does it happen, yes, but like gluttony, sloth, pride, avarice, anger, and envy, one ought to strive to avoid lust.

In no other area of human behavior do we as a society condone low standards and an inability to control impulses. Why is it acceptable to "hate" people who aspire to the high standards set by Jesus Christ?

John Harville

What about sexual activity inside a 'non-loving' marriage.
Heterosexual activity 'inside' or 'outside' a loving marriage may include mutual oral sex, cunninglingas (mispelled for the censor), interruptus, mutual masterbashun (again for the censor) and other things we won't even mention. All those are sins but inside "a loviing mariage between a man and woman" is okay?
Who is demanding you lower your standards?
we are the thinking animals and yet animals like you refuse to engage God-given free will and THINK.

Babo

I do think and more importantly know that lust in all its forms is hazardous to your spirit. Why do you have so much hate in your heart for others who differ from you?

John Harville

I don't hate you Babo. Actually I pity you because you continue to deny yourself the chance to know the full beauty of Christ and fellowship with him.
Let us remember he walked among, ate with, talked with the poor, the downtrodden, the tax collectors, the shepherds, the laborers like himself, the prostitutes - always giving them hope their lives could be better, at least after this one. He only gave the 'hard' lessons to people who thought themselves more enlightened and more 'welcome'.
I pity you like Jesus pitied the Pharisees - of which you would have been a very good one.

Babo

We disagree. Your pity is not needed as you have no idea of my spiritual relationship with Christ.

The light of Christ is not discernible in your writings. You project hate of others especially those you perceive as weak. You forgot that Christ came to free the prisoners, not in the traditional sense but those who are enslaved as were the Pharisees and yourself by egotism and legalism.

sugar

But you offer veiled threats of the Christian community pulling their financial support from the paper? I'm not a legal professional but isn't that called BLACKMAIL???? Or correct me to the correct term.

Babo

People are free in this country to spend their money on products as they wish as long as the purchase is legal. If people don't want to purchase a publication because they disagree with its philosophy which may include bashing their religious beliefs, that is their right.

You seem to be suggesting people should be forced against their will to spend their money on causes with which they disagree or products that insult them. Forcing people to pay would be extortion or blackmail.

Similarly if people choose not to patronize advertisers of a publication because they disagree with the religious bashing of the publication that is their right in this nation. In fact such actions called boycotts were used by the NAACP and other civil rights groups in the past and are still used today by [surprise!] Civil rights groups, religious groups, and unions.

Again, isn't the homosexual community and its supporters attempting to encourage a boycott of St Mary's and the school through this newspaper and through an on line petition? I support their rights and yours under the First Amendment to engage in that conduct, just as I would support the Christian community's right to engage in a boycott of newspapers and their advertisers who bash and insult their religious beliefs.

It's the American way.

sugar

You can't have it both ways Babo (I may be wrong but I think it may be short for baboon??) you can't be the aggressor than turn around and claim to be the victim, typical professional spin.

Babo

Oh Levoglucose, you got me! I thought you like it both ways. But alas, I only go one way; the Dextro way.
While you...well you're simply sinister!

sugar

Harping on molecular structure? I didn't think lawyers had many courses in the sciences, heck you don't even need a Masters to go to law school.

Babo

Who said I was a lawyer?

Now go back to your research and try to understand.

sugar

Oh I see you're just a know it all then. lol

John Harville

BABO I pity you regardless.

John Harville

BABO. Is there a confession here? How DO you know about the hazards of lust?

Please be careful about libeling my heart.

Centauri

"Thus for me homosexual activity in general and heterosexual activity outside a loving marriage between a man and a woman indicates a form of primitive animal behavior in people that are not suitably for a lack of a better word "evolved"."

Perhaps you took my links that I provided the wrong way. I provided the links to bring out more discussion among the readers. In fact, mankind is reverting back to primitive animal behavior.

The sexual revolution of the 1960s appears to have been the start of today's accepted sexual mores and morals which are unacceptable to me. What happened to the family unit? One unmarried mother with children who have different fathers is one example.

At one time, virginity was expected from both the male and female before marriage. Now if somebody is a virgin before marriage, it is viewed as an oddity.

Decades ago, the word "gay" meant to be happy, cheerful, excited, lively but today it refers to sexual orientation of the same sex. Look up the definition of the word "gay" online and in modern printed dictionaries. The word "queer" which means unusual, not normal, oddity was used decades ago to describe people with same sex orientation. Also homosexuality was hidden from the general public decades ago.

http://www.openbible.info/topics...
What does the Bible say about Virginity Before Marriage?

Centauri

http://www.openbible.info/topics...
What does the Bible say about Homosexuality?

Babo

I agree with you and had hoped correctly that you were trying to provoke a discussion.

John Harville

Centauri. You forgot to add that at one time homosexuals were imprisoned, executed, castrated.

Your link also didn't mentioned Deuteronomy which ordered non-virgins on their wedding night to be executed.

The 60s? Really? Not the 20s? Not both World Wars? Not the Revolutionary period?

The Family Unit: I was placed for adoption in 1950. My adoptive parents divorced in 1957. My mother reared me as a single Mom the next 12 years. My Dad married for the third time in 1964 adding three siblings to my 'family' (they also were my adoptive mother's cousins) and then added a halfbrother to the mix in 1965. My adoptive mother married for the third time when I was 18, adding a stepsister and two nieces to the "family".
After searching I learned my birthmother married a man not my birthfather and had two children. The birthfather didn't know about me but married and fathered three more to my 'family unit'.
And I'm not the exception. I have a friend in her 70s who was in utero and her brother was one when their parents divorced in 1938.
Today, many would consider your attitudes about sex, religion, family life as 'queer' as in eccentric, outside the accepted and acceptable.
As for words used disparagingly decades ago, well may we add n-----, k---, d---, c------. SOME of us have evolved and believe, among other beliefs, that two parents need not be opposite gender as long as they love the children.
I wish you could experience all the children in THIS world who are abused in traditional 'loving' 'Holy' marriages.

John Harville

But only among the human animals will one find homophobes.

Babo

Well, I'm certainly not a homophobe and would note in the animal kingdom weaker males who were used by stronger males are usually eventually killed off by the stronger males who desire ultimately to mate with females.

I would also note that only among some human males does one find the concept of misogyny. You sure like to attack Ms. Curtis. Do you hate women?

sugar

Equality has consequences, Babo.

John Harville

Babo: I do not hate - Ms. Curtis nor anyone else.
But I do speak out when people who claim to be Christian/Catholic demonstrate they are anything but what they claim to be.
Mrs. Curtis accepted a responsibility as President of SCCS - not unlike her position as Executive Director at Monroe Catholic Elementary School, a position she left within a year.
MCES began in 2011 consolidating three Catholic elementary/jr high schools into one school with buildings for Infant-Grade 1, Grades 2-5, and a 6-8 middle school and a total enrollment of 700 with Mrs. Curtis (principal of one of the schools) to be elevated to Executive Director. The new school opened for the 2012-13 schoolyear.
In 2011 SCCS began its search to fill the new position of "president" for the 2013-14 schoolyear. Mrs. Curtis was announced as the SCCS principal July 1, 2013.
As one can 'hate the sin while loving the sinner' I can greatly dislike the action and its ramifications while understanding the administrator who thought she had no choice but the action she took.
Having been an administrator and directed PR several years, I'm sorry she did not take time to consider ALL the possible consequences.
The present upheaval sits squarely on her desk - and yes I think that's incredibly irresponsible for someone who came with such high credentials.
Did she even stop to think about the students... and I mean the kindergarteners and other elementary students. She specifically was brought in for her management skills and her development and fundraising acumen.
Again... I don't hate even a misguided Pharisee like you. And I certainly don't hate the other gender. My favorite - only - wife of 45 years is a woman.
You?

Babo

Again, we disagree. Ms. Curtis acted professionally and appropriately. It is the people who chose to make this into a public circus to advance their self serving political agenda or financial interests who had no respect for the privacy and religious rights of students, their parents and members of the Church.

sanduskymom

AMEN!

sugar

Who created this??? wow had your retainer been paid???

Babo

What do my teeth have to do with this story? : )

sugar

You do know you so not have to reply to all my comments.

John Harville

yeah BABO, we disagree. Appropriate action would have included understanding the volatility of the gay marriage issue and the potential for it to spiral out of control; would have included understanding the ramifications for the students of all ages who would need answers to questions about why Mr. Panetta was leaving suddenly; would have included evaluating the potential damage to development and foundation contributions (allegedly she was hired in part because of her experience and skill in this aspect) and the long-term effect on enrollment and contributions.
The fact she made her determination within a few hours seems obvious proof she didn't have time to consider these major points let alone talk with her superiors and all the religious leaders.
What 'financial interests' will be 'self-served' by persons "who chose to make this into a public circus".
From your experience and background you realize SCCS is, bottom line, a multi-million dollar business that relies heavily on good will to prosper. The Catholic Church generally and in Sandusky specifically no longer enjoys the good will and blind acceptance it once did.

Karma2u

BABO....i hope that someday your eyes will be opened to Mrs. Melody Curtis....Anything can look good on paper...but IF anyone had taken the time to really look into her and her past assignments they would see the path of destruction, despair and financial strains she has put on her past employers. She never stays anywhere long and as people catch on to her facade she has already jumped to her next victims....I say this as fact and ask that someone please look into this before she ruins your town and school as well. Believe me .....she is not the pristine catholic that she portrays and hides her secrets well...

Karma89

Unless you have a child in the school John Harville why do you care so much? And if you do take them out! Mrs. Curtis is a wonderful person who is LOVED at SMCC she has done so much good for the school. You cannot please everyone, the people who do not like her leadership can leave, no school is perfect look at Perkins! You just need to let this vendetta go you have with her. It just makes you look like a fool!

John Harville

Karma. I am Catholic. I'm not a 'practicing Catholic' because I don't need the 'practice' - I'm very good at it.

Someone else telling people to get and 'take your children with you'. Is this Mrs. Curtis' philosophy? Is this Dr. Tyler's position? Is Father Steinbauer really in favor of more Catholics leaving the parishes?

I don't have a vendetta with Mrs. Curtis. I do have grave concerns about the leadership of a CEO who inspires people to tell parents to take their children out of school.

And what does Perkins have to do with it? Except that's where the new band director comes from.

A few years ago the attitude at Clyde St. Mary's School was like yours... if you don't like how we do it, take your child to public school. The school closed a few years ago after enrollment dropped from 240 in 1994 to 30 before it closed.

The parish now has a circuit priest and a nun administrator and has declined from four weekend masses to two.

Look at your own SCCS. Changing to the present system was necessitated by declining enrollments, declining Mass attendance/membership, and declining contributions.

Fremont and Tiffin have undergone similar contractions - as did Monore Michigan Catholic schools which was consolidated under Mrs. Curtis' direction and administration.

I am preserving your post here and forwarding it to Mrs. Curtis and Dr. Tyler - though I understand "justagirl" was keeping up with the blogs.

You are appropriately named... Karma cometh.

Northstar

BTW... Dr. Tyler has not been on the BOD since August...get your facts straight before pulling names out and throwing people under the bus.

John Harville

Dr. Tyler still (as of Tuesday) is listed on the school/foundation website.

Dr. Tyler also was one of the two men who directed the President search and with the search committee invited Mrs. Curtis.

I have my facts correct according to published information.

Karma89

Once again you do not have a clue what is going one! It is not Mrs. Curtis opinion that if you do not like what is going on "pull your kids out" it's MINE! Once again "WHY DO YOU CARE"!! And about my comment about Perkins, they have been having problems with there superintendent for the last few years he has put there school system into a finical mess. So obviously you do not have a clue what is going on in this area, except you hate Mrs. Curtis for some reason and I think you DO have a vendetta against her anyone can see that just by reading what you having been writing about her. Just be gone! And as for my name "Karma" I am a true believer in it! At one point in everyone's life it does happen and it might not be tomorrow or next year but it will happen:)

sugar

Drama and hysteria from the good women of SM. Do you have a clue as to how utterly absurd you appear!

Babo

Do you?

sugar

I do it deliberately, this is all intentional.

John Harville

Karma... when you go on here representing the school and telling people to leave, you are speaking for the School.

I ASKED if this was Mrs. Curtis' opinion.

I've already answered why I care. Much as you would like, SCCS does not exist in a bubble. Those of us who give our dollars, our prayers, our time have JUST AS MUCH RIGHT to comment on an issue that has put much of northwest Ohio into national and international headlines.
I do not hate Mrs. Curtis. Just because I'm the only one who has done the research and have vast experience in understanding the ramifications of comments in promotion and fundraising, does not mean I have a vendetta.
Hers was the 'out-front' name for SCCS in all this. She was hired to be the manager for SCCS. The responsibility is hers.
Karma is part of an eastern religion that predates Christianity. Catholics are prohibited from such beliefs because it removes the element of God's free will and grace and takes control away from God.

Northstar

Amen to that! Ms. Curtis is wonderful. If you knew her as a person and an administrator you would understand this was NOT her decision. Everyone forgets , it was not only her alone who brought the letter to Mr. Panetta per his interview during the basketball game. But we all forget those details, and really do not know or hear of the details involved in the background. And unsigned?

Even Mr. Panetta does not know who it came from. Ms. Curtis is a godsend from a lack of administration from previous years ho only cared about the $$$$$$. She has been and still is one of the most heartfelt people I have ever met and the ONLY reason I have kept my children in the school after last year and the past years of instability of teachers and administration. I do see a vendetta against her in this article....there are many involved in this decision. And I can know Mr. Panetta and Ms. Curtis have no issues with each other on this issue. But seems to me that it is just another way to keep the story alive and hurt the kids even more. You should do more research on what she has accomplished and put a STOP to than on bashing her publicly.

But she had to do her job, simple as that. Since it was the Toledo Dioceses itself that came down to speak with Brian, I would start talknign to them.

sugar

What's with the "amen" it's comical.

John Harville

Well, except for your post -perhaps as a member of the Board? - we have only the word from the Diocese that (first) this is a local issue; (second) the contract is with the school.
Mrs. Curtis is the 'face' of SCCS. The 'buck' stops with her. She is the one commissioned to take action.
If there are/were more involved in this decision it is time for them - especially the pastors of the parishes - to step forward and clarify. A lay person should not be the final voice on matters of religion and doctrine.
One very bad decision can undo a few months of 'good' since she arrived in July.
You are the first to speak openly about "last year and the past years of instability of teachers and administration."
SCCS should stop stonewalling.
The Diocese should release a detailed explanation - but won't because they certainly are not going to commit their position to writing that later can be used against them.
This is the first I've heard the Diocese actual 'came down to speak with Brian'. I have been talking to them. The Diocese would like this to go away. Quickly.

John Harville

Northstar: "Even Mr. Panetta does notg know who it (the letter) came from."
How unChristian. Not one person is Man/Woman enough to put name to such a letter? Then it still becomes Mrs. Curtis' responsibility since she is the one with whom he talked.
Despicable is not strong enough if it's true no one takes responsibility. Attorny Knight should know this.

sugar

Despicable, slimy, pathetic but oh so predictable.

Karma2u

Northstar....I have read your posts and from past experience I am just saying please be careful with your loyalty to Ms. Curtis...she is NOT who she says she is....you may love her know but unfortunately soon you will begin to see the real "her" and it isn't heartfelt or pretty...i am not trying to be mean here I am just saying to be observant as she is always pleasant in the beginning ..

Coram Deo

When Jesus came into the world he came in all "grace and truth". When he met the woman who was caught in the very act of adultery and was about to be stoned by the "religious" ruling class of the day, he did not beat her over the head with the Law. He approached her with much "grace" (grace is unmerited favor or not giving us what our sins deserve),he greased the wheel so to speak, in hopes that when he finally spoke the "truth" to her sin (adultery) she would hear it in her heart and obey it and be set free from it. Jesus told her to "go and sin no more". It's the ultimate act of love speaking the truth in love. If the Catholic Church knew at the onset that he was a practicing homosexual (there is a difference between those who practice it and those who have same-sex attraction and do not act on it) then they did this man a great disservice by not speaking the truth to him. If he was not practicing then perhaps they were just extending much grace in hopes that the truth down the road would catch up to him.

There is an excellent book called "Out of a Far Country: A Gay Son's Journey to God. A Broken Mother's Search for Hope" by Christopher Yuan. It can be purchased at any major bookstore outlet. Amazon carries it. I would highly recommend it to anyone dealing with same-sex attraction or the sin of homosexuality.

Christopher Yuan: "The focus for Christians with same-sex attractions is not primarily healing. It is to know more of Christ. http://yuan2.us/14

"And you will know the truth and the truth will set you free". John 8:32

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life." John 14:6

John Harville

coram deo... why don't you begin by explaining why your membership in Coram Deo puts you more 'in the presence of God' than the rest of us.

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