Feds keep taking away our rights

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Jun 3, 2013

I read the article “Outlaws raided” and couldn’t resist the temptation to question the “police state” mentality of our current laws.

I find the federal government’s power to seal the search warrant that was used to justify the raid is an encroachment of all of our civil liberties.

The power to hide the reason for a search warrant to be issued for as long as the federal government wants to hide such information flies in the face of our constitutional right against unwarranted search and seizure of personal property.

Outside of the feds and some local police agencies, no one really knows what they were looking for. When you give the federal government unrestricted power, history keeps proving that power will inevitably be abused.

Just to prove my point, the senate is now considering a national biometric database or a national identification card if you will, for every working American.

“Show me your papers please” is just around the corner for all of us here in America, and if you don’t produce them, then the authorities will be able get a sealed search warrant to search for who knows what in the name of national security. Wake up, America!

— Dale Terry, Huron
     Chapter leader, the John Birch Society

Comments

Darwin's choice

The 12 million+ illegals here now, with no fear of prosecution from our gutless government, aren't concerned......!

There you go again

That was Obama's plan. No surprise there.

gene44870

In my eyes , It seems to me that the locol right up to the feds make up the rules and change them to suit them .
As well as we really dont have any rights in this country anymore , Our rights were taken from us the day two planes crashed in the twin towers

zachfromsandusky2

The whole country is headed for a police state. After the Boston false flag op in April they govt militarized the police mixing them with default and military and shut the whole city down then went door to door violating 4th amendment rights while searching for the "terrorists. Meanwhile two days later Obama is meeting with a Saudi diplomat under the radar and deporting a Saudi national and while he is doing the the waco fertilizer plant was bombed as a distraction. Boston was simply a trial run of martial law and it worked cus people.are willingly ignorant and blind to what is actually going on!

TboneWalkerJr

Is that you Eric Cartman?

swiss cheese kat

Start working at home with Google! It's by-far the best job Ive had. Last Monday I got a new Alfa Romeo from bringing in $7778. I started this 11 months ago and now make more than $133 per hour.

Swiftshot

I understand the right to privacy and I can appreciate the need for it to a point. The comment " wake up America" stirred me a little. I am pretty comfortable saying that the outlaws were not going to create any form of a mass distruction. BUT, AMERICA did wake up 9/11 and durring the past year durring the Boston bombings. Not to leave out the numerous happenings against us outside our borders. It is a changed world! its about time that the government gets involved. our borders were essentially almost open without any type of restriction and accounibity. I AM an american! If the FBI wants to search my property - I have absolutely NOTHING to hide. The next time that you think we are losing our freedoms because of the FBI searches, they are protecting them in the end. It would have been great to have some form of this "bio" technology prior to our every day fear that we are going to get attacked.

Fromthe419

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

The Bizness

Put that quote in context and it does not really have the meaning you want it to.

"In fine, we have the most sensible Concern for the poor distressed Inhabitants of the Frontiers. We have taken every Step in our Power, consistent with the just Rights of the Freemen of Pennsylvania, for their Relief, and we have Reason to believe, that in the Midst of their Distresses they themselves do not wish us to go farther. Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Such as were inclined to defend themselves, but unable to purchase Arms and Ammunition, have, as we are informed, been supplied with both, as far as Arms could be procured, out of Monies given by the last Assembly for the King’s Use; and the large Supply of Money offered by this Bill, might enable the Governor to do every Thing else that should be judged necessary for their farther Security, if he shall think fit to accept it."

http://alexandermarriott.blogspo...

nonconformist

"Give me liberty or give me death." There's a quote for you. Put that one into context for us.

The Bizness

Good one bra....you are missing my point as is typical with this forum.

The Bizness

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Fromthe419

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

This was written by Franklin, within quotation marks but is generally accepted as his original thought, sometime shortly before February 17, 1775 as part of his notes for a proposition at the Pennsylvania Assembly, as published in Memoirs of the life and writings of Benjamin Franklin (1818). A variant of this was published as:
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
This was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759); the book was published by Franklin; its author was Richard Jackson, but Franklin did claim responsibility for some small excerpts that were used in it.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

This was written by Franklin, within quotation marks but is generally accepted as his original thought, sometime shortly before February 17, 1775 as part of his notes for a proposition at the Pennsylvania Assembly, as published in Memoirs of the life and writings of Benjamin Franklin (1818). A variant of this was published as:
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
This was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759); the book was published by Franklin; its author was Richard Jackson, but Franklin did claim responsibility for some small excerpts that were used in it.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ben...

Yes, there has been some controversy as to whether it was his original thoughts, but he certainly believed it as he put it in his writings.

The Bizness

I am not saying I want the government looking at everything I do but you can't just use peoples quotes without knowing the context of them.

Too many people use words from our found fathers that when put in context have no bearing on modern situations. They also use a lot of made up quotes as well.

shucks

The Bizness +10
Fromthe419 fat 0

Fromthe419

Troll, I in fact agree with The Bizness quite frequently...I rarely agree with anything you have to say because you bring zero to the debate.

Fromthe419 +10
4shizzle -10

shucks

Let's see.
I got censored for the SAME EXACT comment that 419 has posted.
Me thinks that 419 has pushed the "Inappropriate? Alert Us" button on me.

Fromthe419

I did not push "Inappropriate" button, I believe everyone has the right to exercise their first amendment right.

shucks

419-

Bizness made sense.
Your response to Bizness was an exercise in pretentious 'face-saving' mumbling.

That's why I gave the Biz +10 and you a fat 0.

Oh, I see my post restored.
Thank you Sandusky Register.

Fromthe419

did you hit the inappropriate button on me?

shucks

Yes I did.

Fromthe419

I see you are against my first amendment right, typical of your ilk :)

shucks

No clown,

You were the only suspect. If I got censored and you didn't, I repeat- for the SAME THING - then you are the only suspect.

Call me anything you want, but if I retort with something you don't like, be a man and don't censor it.

Fromthe419

I have never hit an inappropriate button since I've been on this forum, you can write to SR and that they can contact me and I will allow them to tell you if I did it. I enjoy this forum and like hearing opinions that differ from mine, how are we all going to come together if we don't listen to each other. I'm sure there others that you have had disagreements that might have hit that button, as I said I did not do it.

shucks

ok

Nemesis

Bizness:

Yes, bur in this case the intended meaning is relevant to the current context.

If you think Franklin meant something else, you really need to learn more about him.

WiseManOnceSaid

Great Quote 419.

Swift YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.
The last line says it all.. "our every day fear that we are going to get attacked".. I do not share that fear.

There will always be murder, there will always be drugs, nothing you can do will stop things like this. Allowing our government to act in a police state because there is a possibility of someone hijacking a plane is not the way to live. There will never be utopia. Learn to live in the world that is, not trying to create a safe uptopia that will never be.

Swiftshot

I feel sorry for you if you think I am the problem. It is the future of my kids and my kids children and all the other future generation I am concerned with. What do you have to hide? I m not asking for a utopia. I don't think I said anything about creating perfection.

Fromthe419

I as well have nothing to hide, but if they want to search my house or my person they need to have a warrant. If they want to ask me my citizenship at a check point they need to have probable suspicion. We as American citizens have rights and for those rights to be violated and say nothing spits in the face of our founding fathers. Our leaders tell us the terrorists hate us because of our freedom. I say no they don't, they hate us because we have 900 military bases in 130 countries.

Swiftshot

Our founding fathers probably didn't take into account the technology that we have. A lot has changed sine the founding fathers declaration.

Fromthe419

You said earlier you were concerned about your kids and future generations. Would you want them living in a world where 20,000 drones are flying all over the country watching everything (this legislation has been passed), boarder patrol check points hundreds of miles from the boarder (this is currently being done), Police/FBI raids without reasonable suspicion or search warrants. The only thing I fear is the life our future generations will live in the name of our countries "safety."

Swiftshot

We can agree to disagree. If you ask anyone who was involved with any of the attacks on US soil, families of the dead, I'm sure they would agree with me. We do need to find a way to adapt to todays society. I said what I wanted and its my feeling on the letter to the editor. You can not change my opinion, and I don't expect to change yours or anyone else's.

WiseManOnceSaid

You have to weigh what can happen if these rights and liberties are taken away against the possibilities if they aren't. I'll take the chance of an act of terror against the absolute weathering of my rights.

Terrorism only wins when people like you live in fear

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2cents

Yes sir! And in Boston they were watching, with two idiots they were able to shut down a city and have national news attention for weeks. The whole thing is "Terror" they win again. Keep running and hiding and they will love you. The FBI had their people and let them go twice, more FBI in ours lives does not mean more safety!

Fromthe419

Swiftshot writes " A lot has changed sine the founding fathers declaration."
But the basic ideals of Liberty and Freedom have remained static.

SamAdams

You couldn't be more right. The Founders couldn't possibly have known about technological advances we now take for granted! Therefore, you may no longer express your opinion here since you're utilizing a computer and the Internet to do so. Yes, I know you have the RIGHT to an opinion and to the expression of it. But the Founders were talking about gatherings and town cryers, certainly not the world wide web!

nonconformist

THIS!

TrollingRageind...

If America woke up on 9/11, then America wouldn't have let the feds invade the middle east for such a long period of time, or at all. saddam Hussein should have taken 6 months at most, then an immediate withdrawal. Barack Obama had a chance to withdrawal, but instead he disbands the middle east's police force so we can stay longer. We also helped al qaeda get moammar gadhafi by arming them, instead of killing bashar al assad who was mowing his own people over like dogs just to hold power. america has NOT woken up, if america woke up, then you wouldn't see career politicians or any liberals or conservatives in office.

dire wolf

The Feds had nothing to do with the middle east and saddam hussein. You may be thinking about the CIA, and our military intelligence. The Feds had nothing to do with any of your examples. I see your point though. good stuff.

TboneWalkerJr

"swift"shot. Up until now, 100% of the time I have seen If the FBI wants to search my property - I have absolutely NOTHING to hide. " posted in a comment section it was to highlight the idiocy of such thinking showing how disconnected and wrong-minded it is to think such things somehow preserve freedom. I never actually imagined that anyone would really think that. The idea that the government is protecting our freedoms by eliminating the Bill of Rights should be a litmus test on who is allowed to vote or retain citizenship in america

nonconformist

Exactly. WTF does that mean? "I have nothing to hide."? No body really has anything to hide. I sure don't but I'll be God*&%$# if I will allow the government to intrude on my privacy without just cause and make me "attempt" to prove otherwise.

2cents's picture
2cents

(a national identification card if you will, for every working American.)

So the non working, non productive ones do not need one, LMFAO?

Fromthe419

If you look at what happened in Boston after the tragic bombing you will see how much of a police state we have become. The entire city where the idiot was found was on complete lock down. If you went outside you could be arrested or shot. They searched every house and made it's occupants vacate the house while it was searched. After the lock down the idiot was found by a gentleman who stepped out to have a smoke and noticed some tie downs cut on his boat cover. Locking down the public is NEVER a good thing, and the public (the gentleman) was the one that found him. It seems the Constitution is followed as long as it benefits the government, when it doesn't it is an antiquated document :(

Swiftshot

Did you see the news segment where the entire city was clapping and cheering the FBI and all the police force for doing what they did to protect Boston and the city by shutting it down to catch the terrorist? Lets just say that the FBI raided a house of a terrorist and gave reason for the raid and gave the terrorist a phone call. The terrorist could set off a chain reaction and some terrorists could not be caught.

Fromthe419

I too would be clapping to finally get back to my normal life and routine. Note, they should have been clapping for the gentleman that was aware of his surroundings and notified the authorities. All that time searching did little to find him, but the vigilant citizen did in fact find him.

Nemesis

Even if they were clapping for the police state tactics, what of it? Slavery once had popular support, as did Japanese internment and the genocide of native Americans. The German election that brought the nazi's to power was a landslide bigger than Nixon's in 1972.

Swiftshot, the raid was last week - and the reason for the warrant has not yet been given, so your advance warning idea is garbage.

This is the USA - we don't try people for double secret charges in star chambers. We have a president who has asserted the authority to call in a drone strike on you while you drive down Rte. 2 without even explaining his reasons to anyone, and you think everything is just fine because Big Brother promises to keep you safe. You don't deserve to live in a free country.

nonconformist

Here, here.

Cowboy

RICO

Unassumer

everyone will be required to have the national id card I'm sure. I don't know what you're laughing about because it isn't funny. our rights have been eliminated; we no longer have freedom or live in a democracy. when you are restricted to where you can travel or made to remain in your house and not travel, you will stop laughing. when they take your house because they have sovereign rights, you'll stop laughing. they check your credit, your background, your blood and still require more but promise you no job, no home, no anything even if you have worked for it. they don't want you to have a gun because when the cr*p hits the fan, they don't want you armed trying to defend your 'property'. we do need to wake up because soon it will be too late if it isn't already.

Nemesis

Odds are, the entire raid was part of the wonderful War on Drugs where the government tells people what they may choose to put in their own bodies.

shucks

Yes, I have a right to DUI and kill people.

mikeylikesit

?

shucks

It was sarcastic response to Nemesis.
When you carry out his thought , it ends in anarchy . Basically saying: " Don't tell me that I can't take drugs and be dangerous to society".

Nemesis

That's the most idiotic response I've ever seen.

How does that in any way imply a right to drive intoxicated?

Notice that alcohol is currently legal, and DUI still is not.

Oh, I forgot, logic is hard (for some people.)

shucks

Your own words show that you don't get it .
Don't flatter yourself.

Nemesis

Are you really that dense? Alcohol is just as capable of rendering someone a danger to society, and yet, although it's legal, presenting said danger is not.

shucks

"...wonderful War on Drugs where the government tells people what they may choose to put in their own bodies."

The word "drugs" encompasses more than just alcohol- Do you get it?
You are basically saying: You want to take ANY drug you want, without any laws, huh?
Don't flatter yourself.

Swiftshot

It's the after affect of what you put in your body nemesis. People driving drunk high ect killing or hurting others. Comments are self centered.

Nemesis

Wow, another outrageous logic failure.

Swiftshot, is alcohol legal?
Is driving drunk?
So what twisted logic failure leads you to equate drugs being legal with driving high being legal?

WA legalized pot, and at the same time specified a level of THC in the blood that qualifies for DUI. Funny how that works. That SHOULD warm the cockles of your fascist little heart, but you probably didn't know about that because that would involve learning facts to apply to a rational position.

Swiftshot

And I think all the locals would be thinking different if we had something terrorist occurring here in Erie county ohio

WiseManOnceSaid

If someone car bombed Cedar Point traffic I would not be ok with having to stay in my house while swat teams roamed the area looking for suspects. I have a CCW and would be ok watching myself. I would be devastated by the loss. The difference between you and I is an act like that would not incapacitate myself.

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2cents

Yep, lock and load and if I had the shot one less bad guy out there!

Kottage Kat

National I D card
Mark of the beast? ?????????

shucks

It'll be another fore- taste.

Contango

FYI: I once read that J. Edgar Hoover proposed that everyone in the U.S. be fingerprinted.

"Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

- John Dalberg-Acton

Therein lies the problem of the 'slippery slope.'

Nemesis

Power doesn't corrupt; it attracts the corrupt like honey draws flies. One must possess fascist instincts to seek power.

Swiftshot

I would be one of the first responders. So I guess your wrong on me hiding in my house

Fromthe419

Thank you for your service Swiftshot, the work you do largely goes unappreciated. In addition, I hope you do not think I was attacking you for you point of view, I just hate seeing our rights taken away a piece at a time all in the name of safety. The terrorists win when we live if fear of them.

Nemesis

The martial law lock down was four days after the incident - is there no limit to your failure to use logic?

Oh, and 419, you're absolutely attacking swiftshot for his point of view, and there's nothing wrong with that - his point of view is what's killing liberty.

getit right be4...

Swiftshot you say you are a 1st responder. Do you mined me asking what it is you do as a 1st responder?

Swiftshot

I'm in the medical field

Fromthe419

I found this video on youtube of the lock down and search in Boston.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7...

The one question I have is why did they need to pat the family as they were exiting the house and why did they have to have their hands up when they could clearly see they were not the suspect? I thought they needed reasonable cause to do a pat down. I guess just being in that town gave them reasonable suspicion?

mikeylikesit

they gotta check you know, in case somebody was hiding a terrorist in their pocket..

Swiftshot

from what I understood from the follow up story on the family is that the mother may have been involved. When they investigate, they dont know the extent of who is involved a the time. they were being cautious to what might happen.

The Big Dog's back

Right wingnuts would have been all over the Po Po if they hadn't caught the suspect. They always take the opposite side.

Fromthe419

With all due respect Big Dog, Tsarnaev (sp?) was found by a citizen that stepped out of his house after the lock down to have a cigarette and noticed his tie downs were cut on his boat. The police captured him but a citizen found him. You might be fine with police (looked more like military) ordering you out of your house and patting you down, but I'm not. Warrant and Reasonable Suspicion, fine by me, but I'm not into shredding the Constitution for a search of one man. What if Curtis Clinton and had killed a few more people, should they lock down Sandusky in the search of one man?

The Big Dog's back

People should be worried more about the right wing United States Supreme Court. Scalia and the boys ruled today that's it's OK for the Po Po to get your DNA if you are a SUSPECT of a major crime. SUSPECT. This ain't Dems or Obama doing this.

shucks

All the Republicans who post here, apparently have a paranoid personality disorder.

2cents's picture
2cents

http://www.historyplace.com/worl...

Just keep a little history in mind (shizz) the sound of burning flesh!

shucks

Sooo, we should mark our calendars for the 'Annual Hitler Youth Day Picnic'???

Fromthe419

That one surprised me Big Dog, Washington DC is eroding our rights little by little. I'm blaming both parties on this crap, those in power think they know what's best for us and can tell us how we need to live our lives. For the record, I am no longer a registered Republican. I am anti-career politician. We need term limits to stop all of the gridlock in DC. If they know they are there to serve rather than stay in office things will get done.

Contango

The Big Dog's back wrote:

"Scalia and the boys ruled today that's it's OK for the Po Po to get your DNA"

Justice Scalia dissented.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2...

"I was thinking more like a registered maroon." - Big Dog, 6/2/13

nonconformist

That just blows me away. Thanks for posting the link. Frightening times we are in for sure. And people say many of us are paranoid? They are slowly breaking down the Constitution and one is not to be upset or worried about this? Ignorance is bliss I guess.

Contango

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."

- Edmund Burke

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

- Unknown (but attributed to Edmund Burke)

The Big Dog's back

The only reason he dissented was because there were already enough votes.

Nemesis

He WROTE the dissent, dog, assuming you even know what that means.

Nemesis

Dog, that ruling is part and parcel of what you're defending here. You're so hung up on partisan labels that you fail to comprehend the nature of the issue.

SamAdams

It's appalling the liberties the government takes these days all the while stealing OUR liberties to do it! Whether you have anything to hide or not is immaterial. If you VOLUNTEER to give up your Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights, that's entirely your own stupid mistake. But your mistake shouldn't have any more bearing on me than a more criminal error on your part would have. Your thievery (or assault or whatever) doesn't make me a felon; the fact that you're clearly naive doesn't make me inclined to slavery, either. Sorry.

Wait. No, I'm NOT sorry. But unless fewer people take your attitude and more people take mine, we'll ALL be sorry, and sooner rather than later.

coasterfan

I agree with WiseMan, and do not wish to succumb to the constant attitude of fear that the Republican Party sells. Go back 5-10 years and play a transcript of any Limbaugh, Beck show, and you'll hear lots of ominous warnings and hand-wringing over things they were sure would happen that DIDN'T happen. Beck's on-air theme song plays the lyrics "This is the end of the world as we know it". Really? Really?

Just read some of the fearful posts here. Unassumer says the gov't will take your house and everything you own. Really? Really? It would be funny if it weren't so tragically misguided. Here's when you should worry: when people on both sides of the political spectrum are worried.

Personally, I'm a lot LESS worried than I was when Bush was in office, and a heck of lot less worried than I was in late 2001. And that's the point of Obama's speech. In 2013, we don't NEED to be on Terrorist Alert Level Orange all the time.

SamAdams

People on both sides of the political spectrum ARE worried, Coasterfan! Or do you not recall the hue and cry when the Bush administration rammed through the USA PATRIOT Act?

The violations aren't limited (obviously) to the mainstream of EITHER political party. They've both proved more than culpable. The question is what we — and by "we," I mean ALL of us, of ALL political persuasions — want to do about it.

Me? I'm NOT okay with the IRS overseeing Obamacare. I'm not okay with Obamacare's review boards, electronic medical records, or inappropriate insurance minimums, either (what, pray tell, do I need pregnancy coverage for at this point?). I'm JUST as not okay with warrantless searches, the saving of ALL electronic data in centralized storage databases (read up much on the huge facility in Utah?), or "fishing" by any means on the part of the authorities. I'm NOT okay with suspending habeus corpus, nor with the ignorance of posse comitatus. And I'm not okay with REAL ID (the de facto national ID the feds are still trying to ram down our throats). The only thing I don't understand is how some people are okay with those very things as long as it's THEIR guy in the White House!

coasterfan

Wrong, Sam. We Dems weren't worried about the Patriot Act, we were mad. The GOP's default emotion is fear, and it's very telling that you automatically assumed that's what we felt. Even though the Patriot Act was an about-face on more than 200 years of the Constitution, we never feared that the gov't would "come get us", meaning US in our little house in NW Ohio. We just griped because it was another stupid, over-reaching move by President who had no idea how to deal effectively with terrorism.

It's ok if you're not OK with Obamacare. A lot of people weren't ok with Social Security and Medicare when they were first introduced, as well. Five years later, it became obvious that they were great ideas, and the furor died down. Statistics are already coming in showing that Obamacare does save money; do us both a favor and read Paul Krugman's article (today) about this very subject. Krugman is a Nobel-Prize winning economist, which I guess, makes him an expert.

I'm also not suddenly worried because a "big government database" exists in Utah. The government has stored such information for more than 200 years, it's just that now it's on a computer. The only way to be 100% safe is to either hide under your bed for your entire life or to move to a remote desert island. Which is what I recommend for all the GOP doomsayers. If you hate America that much and are worried that much, then leave. And take your ulcers with you, please.

arnmcrmn

SS and Medicare great ideas? Both are bankrupting America.....dear Lord, what are you smoking?

The Big Dog's back

Social Security and Medicare are bankrupting America?? Social Security is self sustained, so is Medicare.

Contango

"I was thinking more like a registered maroon." - Big Dog, 6/2/13

grumpy

If "all" Dems were upset with the Patriot Act why did they vote to extend it and then give it steroids with NADA? Is the present President also have no idea how to effectivly deal with terrorism, except to extend and add to another "stupid, over reaching move" that has already been proven not to work? That would be even more stupid since that would prove he can't learn from past mistakes. But that would be only if you look at it from both sides and not being obviously biased. None of the last few Presidents have done much except increase the size of the Federal gov;t. The last few scandals have pretty well shown that they can't control what the Federal gov't does at its present size let alone having it grow more. That would include Obamacare.

Contango

Re: "Even though the Patriot Act was an about-face on more than 200 years of the Constitution,"

Obviously didn't teach U.S. History.

We need to also examine Lincoln's, Wilson's and FDR's tearing away at the fabric of the Constitution.

So WHY did Pres. Obama re-authorize the PA and the NDAA?

Re: Hyper-Keynesian "Paul Krugman" and Bill Marr - both comedians in their own right. Excellent sources for brain-dead socialist thought. :)

The Big Dog's back

poo, tell "em, SS and Medicare are self funded. C'mon poo, tell "em.

Contango

The Big Dog's back writes:

"SS and Medicare are self funded,"

Over $100 trillion in potential unfunded liabilities. $60 billion in Medicare fraud, waste and abuse ANNUALLY.

Why then do even most liberals say that entitlement programs are an approaching fiscal train wreck and could potentially crowd out all other govt. programs including Defense?

If it's "self-funded," then WHY the need to change the benefit structure and raise the age limits?

And the SS assets are invested in WHAT? Non-marketable Treasuries.

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata...

Ponzi schemes - an accounting FICTION.

arnmcrmn

Big pup forgets that the only way these programs are "self sustaining" is if they restructure them to that point.

Contango

And like ALL Ponzi schemes, the first ones 'invested' get the majority of the benefits while the later ones get crumbs or zero.

SSDI is scheduled to implode first.

"The Social Security trust fund that makes payments to disabled workers will be depleted by 2016. Why isn't this considered a crisis?":

http://www.cnbc.com/

Keep watchin' MSNBC - they're fourth in viewership!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/0...

Nemesis

There IS NO TRUST FUND. It's a fiction. SS has operated pay as you go for decades.

arnmcrmn

Until the point where more are taking out of the kitty than those putting in...and we are there.

four

Dale Terry,John Birch Society must find a reason to exist.

Contango

"Just like fingerprints: Supreme Court says police can take DNA from arrestees without warrants":

http://www.washingtonpost.com/na...

Apparently the ACLU ain't on-board with this. So much for the nonsense that ALL the lefties love Big Brother eh coasterfan?

"It is not enough to obey Big Brother, one must also love him."

- Nineteen Eighty-Four

Contango

As is said: Hindsight is always 20-20.

Heck, if FDR wouldn't have had the Pacific Fleet move from San Diego to Pearl Harbor...

tk

Some of you must live very miserable lives if you live in such constant fear.

shucks

Paranoids.
I agree.
Their lives MUST be miserable.

JACKEL

You are kidding,you didn't see that coming?You deserve everything you get you stupid morons !It has only begun.Tyranny is the fear of the government,freedom is the government fearing the people.Now if this Bozo don't declare himself king,go ahead and elect queen Hilliary !

KURTje

Arcrmean have your grandparents give back their Social Security & medicare. You can't have it both ways. I feel this CIC got in because so many were angry with the stuff little Bush passed off as truth. btw, W's daddie was in charge of the CIA before he was president. Check out who helped the CIA get started after WW2. General Gailen. Figures.

Really are you ...

We already have nationally recognized identification cards. Drivers Licenses, if you don't drive there is a State ID, and for foreigners there is a green card. I work and I already have a time card. I am covered then, right?

meowmix

OK, I read the head line too: FEDS KEEP TAKING AWAY OUR RIGHTS

Uh, would someone tell me what right they have had taken away? The right to drive without buckling your seat belt? The right to smoke where ever you please? The right to have a big gulp in NYC? These are LAWS--not inalienable rights.

Any yet how many of you don't believe in the equality of gays-that they as Americans don't have the same RIGHT, under the constitution? How many of you want to actually take away a woman's RIGHT-protected under the constitution-to do with her reproductive rights what she chooses?

I'm sick and tired of these chicken-little types running around proclaiming the sky is falling. Why don't they just start building their little underground survival bunkers and stay there.

shucks

Well said.
I too am ..." sick and tired of these chicken-little types running around proclaiming the sky is falling."

Little chickens with paranoid personality disorders.

Contango

Re: "Little chickens with paranoid personality disorders."

Unlike the useful idiots who love Big Brother.

"You must love BIG BROTHER. It is not enough to obey him: you must love him."

- Nineteen Eighty-Four

Oh No, IT could NEVER happen HERE! :)

Contango

Re: "Uh, would someone tell me what right they have had taken away?"

"The 4 federal crimes mentioned in the U.S. Constitution are treason, piracy, counterfeiting & crimes against the law of nations."

"Today there are an estimated 4,500 crimes in federal statutes, plus thousands more embedded in federal regulations, many of which have been added to the penal code since the 1970s."

For a federal crime, Mens Rea (intent or knowingly committed) is not needed. Did you DO IT? Then you are GUILTY!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB...

meowmix

Again I ask you Contango-- What rights have been taken away? What, the addition of certain crimes to federal statutes is somehow infringing on your freedom? -- I know it did Bernie Madoff's but then again that's another issue.

Contango

@ meowmix:

Re: "What, the addition of certain crimes to federal statutes is somehow infringing on your freedom?"

Ah yes, I should have remembered the perennial lefty reading problem caused by intense public school indoctrination no doubt.

Do you see the term, Mens Rea? What does it mean?

Also, provisions in the NDAA and the Patriot Act.

So in your collectivist mind, NONE of our first 10 Amendment rights have been compromised?

Did you see the video of the storm troopers invading a house after the Boston bombing? You OK with this?

http://www.bing.com/videos/searc...

shucks

Drunken pretentious raving and ranting again.

Contango

Re: "^^^ Drunken pretentious rantings."

"You taunt like the immature person you are." - 4shizzle, 6/4/13 :)

shucks

Truth is -You are.

shucks

It's not a taunt, it's a fact, that you are loaded when you comment.

Contango

"^^^ Drunken pretentious rantings." - 4shizzle, 6/4/13. :)

meowmix

dang 4shizzle---you are good! I quite frankly get great amusement from your comments. Keep up the good work! :}

Contango

@ meowmix:

"The country of Aljazeera has Sharia law." - 4shizzle, 05/29/2013

Good to know that you agree with someone who thinks Al-Jazeera is a country.

THAT is amusing. :)

meowmix

Oh for crying out loud Contango---EVERYBODY knows Al Jazeera was a really good blues singer.....

Now, lets test your sense of humor, eh?

Contango

Nope - Al Gore's long lost brother from another mother. It was a profitable find for ol' Al.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/03/...

shucks

good one , Meow

Contango

Re: "good one , Meow"

“Don't get aroused.” – 4shizzle, 6/2/13 :)

shucks

I tripped your trigger? eh, Contango?

(Now I'm taunting)

Contango

Re: (Now I'm taunting)"

"You taunt like the immature person you are." - 4shizzle, 6/4/13 :)

shucks

-Contango
Here was my response. You didn't read it or couldn't understand it.
I thought you were so smart?

4shizzle

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 10:19am

I know there isn't a country called Aljazeera.

The country where Aljazeera is - was the idea.

Get up off the floor, you're drunk.

shucks

thanks, Meow

Nemesis

Meowmix,

The right to be secure against unreasonable search and seizure - Patriot Act
Property rights - Kelo vs. New Haven
The right to keep and bear arms has been steadily eroded for decades.
The right to freedom of association.
The right to put whatever one wishes into one's own body

I could go on.

Your turn - tell me exactly what enumerated constitutional rights have been denied gays.

arnmcrmn

Meow also forgets Obamacare............where now Catholic entities are being forced to provide insurance coverage for things they do not believe in.

You cannot say the word God in school without fear of a lawsuit. Students have been removed from school for wearing an American Flag shirt during Cinco De Mayo.

If you cannot see that our rights have been slowly and steadily dissolving, might I suggest that you remove the kitten paws from over your eyes meowmix.

Contango

Re: "Here was my response."

You only responded AFTER I corrected you.

I take you at your word:

"The country of Aljazeera has Sharia law." - 4shizzle, 05/29/2013 :)

shucks

If that's the case- then you still believe in Santa Claus because your parents said so.

shucks

PS

My "poetic license" was just too much for you.

Contango

Re: "poetic license"

Rather it was THE ignorance that was amusing.

Learn to: Mean what you say and say what you mean.

Contango

Re: "...you still believe in Santa Claus,"

Only socialists like yourself confuse govt. with SC. :)

Contango

meowmix writes:

"dang 4shizzle---you are good! (snip)"

Don't answer my questions, just fly off into ADHD heaven eh?

Good thing that the DC kleptocrats have assured you of their GOOD intentions - and you TRUST them. :)

shucks

Your silly immature responses are just reinforcing the premise that you are drunk.
I've got better things to do than to bicker with you.
Later cupcake : )

"FORWARD DEWARS"

Contango

“I messed up. I know nobody cares,” - 4shizzle, 02/26/2013

The story of your life....

The Big Dog's back

Coming from Mr. Wannabee.

Contango

"I was thinking more like a registered maroon."

- The Big Dog's back, 6/2/13

Says it ALL. :)

shucks

.

Contango

"You taunt like the immature person you are." - 4shizzle, 6/4/13 :)

"I've got better things to do than to bicker with you."

- 4shizzle, 6/4/13

Later Lucy.

shucks

Later Satan's channel.

EZOB

Contango,
Catholic Priests and Nuns are "Suppose" to abstain from having sex. Analogy--Do the same when in a discussion with a Democrat or Liberal abstain from telling the truth. They are never going to understand or accept it when they haven't experienced the truth or facts. They only know what they have been told, Tell the truth and go to #ell or in todays world tell the truth and go to jail.

Centauri

"Analogy--Do the same when in a discussion with a Democrat or Liberal abstain from telling the truth. They are never going to understand or accept it when they haven't experienced the truth or facts."

I have found some Democrats and some liberals to be the worst of the worst of internet trolls and flamers. It's not only here on sanduskyregister.com but also on other internet sites that I post comments on.

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2cents

Life has some risks, and companies do not have bottomless pockets. About time someone got some ba--s !

http://www.impomag.com/news/2013...

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