Plain Dealer joins push for Plum Brook runway

Tom Jackson
Mar 23, 2010


The Cleveland Plain Dealer ran an editorial Saturday urging U.S. Rep. Marcy Kaptur, D-Toledo, and other officials to fight hard to build a runway to serve NASA Plum Brook Station. Building the runway could help Erie County "attract aerospace contractors to the edges of the huge complex, spurring needed economic development and seeding high-wage jobs," the editorial said.

The newspaper following that up with a long article Sunday on Plum Brook and the need for the runway.


Captain Gutz

No runway.


Just run the rail lines back in that used to be there. Nothing you can put in an airplane that won't fit on a train, and then some.

Karl Hungus-Mr....

Captain Guts is right, we do not want anything modern here in Erie County, only civil war era technology.  Ahhhh,,, I can smell the progress!!!!



"Nothing you can put in an airplane that won't fit on a train, and then some."

The "Width Extreme" for a Railroad Flat Car is 9' 10-1/4", the width of a C-5 Galaxy is 19' 

Leveraging NASA Plumbrook is a smart economic move for the area.  It has the potential for bringing real living wage jobs to the area and a catalyst for other economic development.


Captain Gutz

Huron2009 - "Width extreme" appears to be the width of the car itself. Can't have anything hanging over the side?

Run a track from a spot on the Lake or Bay. Ship by water (the cheapest way to ship anything) to the end point of the track, haul whatever it is that needs to be hauled to NASA. The C5 galaxy is a beautiful thing, but it isn't going to handle as much freight as a train.


Karl - Dude, I am not alone." Freight transportation is handled by a variety of networks. The largest carriers of freight, by weight, are trucks (60%), followed by pipelines (18%), rail (10%), ship (8%), and air (0.01%).[8] Other modes of transportation such as parcel and intermodal accounted for about 3% of the remainder. Planes are commonly used only for perishables and premium express shipments. The difference in percentage of train's share by ton-miles and by weight (10% vs 38%) is accounted for by the extreme efficiency of trains. A train can pull fifty boxcars full of freight while a truck only pulls one. " Air is by far the most expensive way to ship anything.

Maybe you're right, we don't want Civil War technology, heck we don't want turn of the 20th century technology (aka "flight") Lets' wait until we develop the Transporter.

Would you feel better if I said let's make it a maglev train?

Karl Hungus-Mr....

Sure you can get more small items on a train, however for what is planned at Plum Brook you surely would want the extra size that would be made possible by a C-5 or other such cargo plane. 

Instead, we, like our local leaders will just argue this topic into the ground until NASA desides it would just be better to move the PB Station, rather than deal with a county full of yahoos that are afraid to pull the trigger on anything that does not benefit a tourist.