BLOG: Bad news for Obama

Tom Jackson
Jun 8, 2011

 

Let's see. Judging from what's getting the most coverage, the most important news in the U.S. is that a you-know-what in Congress Tweeted a picture of his you-know-what, and Sarah Palin's account of Paul Revere's famous ride may not be strictly accurate. Oh, and there's big news in Ohio, too -- some guy left the football team at OSU.

Here a couple of apparently unimportant things you may have missed:

(1) The U.S. economy actually is getting worse, at least in terms of employment. The unemployment rate has gone up for two months in a row — from 8.8 percent in March, to 9.0 percent in April and then 9.1 percent in May. People who have given up looking for work aren't counted in these numbers, because they are considered no longer in the workforce. People who took a crummy, low-paying job because they can't find a good one also don't figure in the raw numbers.

(2) President Obama's war in Libya apparently is illegal. Or so says lawyer and author Glenn Greenwald.

Comments

6079 Smith W

The true national unemployment rate is 15.8%.

See the May 2011 U-6 number (last row):

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm

This U-6 number reflects the 9.1% unemployment number plus those people who are unemployed, no longer receiving unemployment benefits and have stopped looking for work as well as those who can only find part-time work but would accept full-time if available.

If the economy was in an actual recovery, this number would not be this high and the Federal Reserve would not be pumping money into the economy!

 

brutus smith

 How many jobs bills have the Repub House put forth? Let me think ....... NONE! Can't blame Pelosi anymore right wingnuts.

man4451

 

 

I am VOTING 4 Oboma AGAIN. and a THIRD term if we could.

he is doing SOMETHING 4 the PEOPLE, not against the people.

themomx6
man4451...............

 

 

 

Just what has he done?

 

brutus smith

 His stimulus bill created or saved 3.5 million jobs mom. What have the Repubs done? Not a G D thing.

MiddleRight

Brutus, you seem a little defensive. 

I like how you say the Republicans can't blame Pelosi, who's only been out of control for about 6 months, yet Obie(or press secretary) continues to blame Bush.

Which way is it going to be?

Also, since you policial knowledge seems to be lacking, how can the republicans be at fault, when the Democrats control the Senate and White House?

brutus smith

 Tell me m/r, what have the House Repubs done? You right wingnuts blame Obama for things that happened before he took office. How long do the Repubs get? They had 8 years to turn things around. Now these Repubs who ran on jobs, jobs, jobs have done nothing, nada zilch.

 

Gov does create jobs by creating a demand for things like military equipment. Duh! Get your head out of Fox news behind and discover some real history.

themomx6

3.5 million jobs? Really? Where are they? Seriously, where are they? The unemployment rate is growing. If there are 3.5 million created jobs, and the unemployment rate is growing, that can only mean more jobs were LOST than CREATED! BTW, government doesn't create jobs.

brutus smith

 Hey mom, ask yourself some easy questions. Do more people join the work force than leave it each month? Are there more births than deaths?

MiddleRight

http://otrans.3cdn.net/45593e8ecbd339d074_l3m6bt1te.pdf

Here is that stimulus plan you referred to Brutus.  See, these are called facts, not biased ramblings.

If you look at page 4, enemployment is expected to top out around 8% in early '09, and should currently be somewhere in the 6.5% range.

I guess it's alot to ask of a community organizer who voted "present" a majority of the time to actually put out a meaniful document.

I wonder where he stands on this now????

Senator Barack Obama
Senate Floor Speech on Public Debt
March 16, 2006

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.

Over the past 5 years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion.That is “trillion” with a “T.” That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers. And over the next 5 years, between now and 2011, the President’s budget will increase the debt by almost another $3.5 trillion.

Numbers that large are sometimes hard to understand. Some people may wonder why they matter. Here is why: This year, the Federal Government will spend $220 billion on interest. That is more money to pay interest on our national debt than we’ll spend on Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. That is more money to pay interest on our debt this year than we will spend on education, homeland security, transportation, and veterans benefits combined. It is more money in one year than we are likely to spend to rebuild the devastated gulf coast in a way that honors the best of America.

And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on.

Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities.

Senator Barack Obama
Senate Floor Speech on Public Debt
March 16, 2006

 

 

Kimo

The Republicans are calling it:  Strategic Employee Reduction !

Bust the unions, put the country on it's knees and win in 2012.

 

Kimo

Re: BTW, government doesn't create jobs.

Huh?

Kasich created jobs for his buds, never mind he eliminated thousands.

patriot5
“Gov does create jobs by creating a demand for things like military equipment” So that’s ok now? I thought the progressives hate the military-industrial complex, the ‘republican war machine’? I love how progressives rationalize.   “put the country on its knees” look around lately, where are we now, on the sub-cockles of utopia? Remind me again how many jobs Strickland lost, even politifact backs the number up. ‘Strategic Employee Reduction’ who told you that, Jimmy Hoffa’s ghost. Dems have all the answers, maybe we need the Cuban style one-party system?   All the progressives complain about corporate welfare, who is the king of government subsidies? Obama. He loves giving taxpayer money to insurance, businesses, and banks. I know its ok for him to do it. I hope those Toledo UAW members at Chrysler do not get caught in the parking lot drinking and smoking pot, you know like the ones in Michigan did after Obama visited the “Cherokee plant”. They were so happy to be bailed out about 15 of them were on tape drinking 40’s at break time; typical.   We know the stimulus saved or created some jobs,but even Obama said that the government cannot continue to create jobs directly. Am I better now than under Bush, no; did I like junior; no. When are you going to wake up, the president is nothing but an actor; be it  Bush or Obama, someone else is pulling the strings.
digger nick

Is anyone really suprised? Obozo....the worlds best soap salesman.

Obama's Own Words

 

 
  I guess a Politician can say anything and sell it to the dumb masses.


OBAMA'S OWN WORDS; THEN AND NOW!!
 
2008: "Navy Seal Team 6 is Cheney's private assassination team." 2011: "I put together Seal Team 6 to take out Bin Laden."
 
   

    2008: "Bin Laden is innocent until proven guilty, and must be captured alive and given a fair trial."           2011: "I authorized Seal Team 6 to kill Bin Laden."
         
2008: "Guantanamo is entirely unnecessary, and the detainees should not be interrogated."
      2011: "Vital intelligence was obtained from Guantanamo detainees that led to our locating Bin Laden."
 

 

The Bizness

www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/07/chain-email/chain-e-mail-accuses-barack-obama-hypocrisy-raid-o/

 

Chain emails are a hoax

just like the chain postings people are putting up on facebook about everyone with a job is required to take a drug test.

Sam

According to bfrutie Obama is not to blame for anything after 2 1/2 years including higher unemployment, higher gas prices and a federal debt that has risen by a third during his term.  Yet according to bfutie Gov. Kashich is to blame for all of Ohio problems after only 5 months and one term Teddy Strickland who saddled Ohio with a record debt of $8 billion dollars has no blame.   He blames the Republican House that has only held a majority for 5 months but says nothing about the Democrapers that controlled the congress for the previous 4 years.  Yet another example of the crazed left wing loon rants of bfruite...........................

Kimo
Re:digger nick says

Is anyone really suprised? Obozo....the worlds best soap salesman. Obama's Own Words

 

That's a chain email that is making the rounds and is not a fact. It's another case of wingnuts make up propaganda, send it around the web, and wingnuts jump on the email as if it was a fact.

It doesn't take much effort to find the real facts about what he said and what the wingnuts would like us to believe.

 

I Judge you

And there's nothing you can do about it.

digger nick
Obama Is the shepherd I did not want.
He leadeth me
Beside the still factories.

He restoreth my faith in the Republican party.
He guideth me in the path of unemployment
For his party's sake.

Yea, Though I walk through the valley of the bread line,
I shall fear no hunger, for his bailouts are with me.

He has Anointed my income with taxes,
My expenses runneth over.

Surely, poverty and hard living will follow me all the days of my life,
And I will live in a mortgaged home forever.

I'm glad … I am American,
I am glad … that I am free,

But I wish … I was a dog,
And Obama … was a tree.

Taxpayer

Well, well.  I guess the TRUTH really hurts BAD!  How does that "hope and change" feel, liberals?  Boo, hoo, hoo!  Ha! Ha!  The sad thing is you crybabies are STILL in DENIAL that YOU were WRONG when you voted for OBAMA.  You were all WRONG!  That's right, I SAID it!  You just cannot admit you are complicit to the total FAILURE of this nation.  It MUST be the BLAME of Bush and ALL the Republicans.  Ha! Ha!  You are all so miserable, you continue to with WTF!! (winning the future??).  0bama's performance is DISMAL to say the least and it is killing us all.  But, keep up with the EXCUSES!  You are all following in the footsteps of the "anointed" one.  You "diehard" liberal freaks will be doing down with the sinking liberal ship.  The USS Failure!  Ha! Ha!  A few of you need to drag out those Greek columns used during the inauguration.  I have NOT seen ONE person faint at his feet anymore.  What is up with that crybabies??  How about 0bama proclaiming to his buddy Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) that he HAD a GIFT?  All this bad news will only PROVE 0bama will be the Worse Single Term President in the History of the United States of America.  The boy from Chicago will be placed into the history books and just might absolve Jimmy Carter.  I am sure worthless democrack Carter is just elated.  Ha! Ha!  Go liberals, Go democracks.  Gotta love that socialist agenda.  Are ANY of you progressive and loser liberals getting tired of being slammed everytime you try and "cover" for an inept president?  Do you continue to believe the liberal media that "covers" for a failure?  Do you really feel 0bama is going to be re-elected so we have FOUR more years of this total FAILURE?  How does it feel around HERE?  If it is so bad here, what is the rest of the NATION feeling about 0bama and all his taxcheat, socialist, maoist, marxist, racist, terrorist crew?  The USS Failure is about to DEPART, all aboard!  Ha! Ha!    

Bailey

@ Tom

Good post except the part about Palin.

EXPERTS have determined that Palin was CORRECT, 

The liberal press and the Democratic party should ante up and APOLOGIZE for being so dumb to not know history! Of course, what can we expect from the party who thinks an ass is their best representative.  

http://www.therightscoop.com/beck-you-betcha-sarah-palin-was-right-about-paul-revere/

 

and BS, (Brutus Smith)  Obama saved 3.5 million jobs?  LMAO x 100   WHERE, CHINA?   LOL!!! 
 

Oh, and what about how the liberal press is now saying Obama distorted the fiquires with the Chrysler and GM paybacks. WOW, even the liberals know they have to tell the truth about their Prince about that one!

Keep living in a fair land world Brutus, your in the 26% minority of supporters. I guess the 74% of Americans are wrong and your right.

Darwin's choice

Care to refute these statements????Here's some quotes from Obuma's two books.

From Dreams From My Father:

“I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.”

From Dreams From My Father :
“I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.”

From Dreams From My Father:

“There was something about her that made me wary, a little too sure of herself, maybe and white.”

From Dreams From My Father:

“It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.”

From Dreams From My Father:

“I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa , that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself:
the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”

And FINALLY ……….. and most scary:

From Audacity of Hope:

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in
an ugly direction.”

Kimo

Re:Darwin's choice says Care to refute these statements????Here's some quotes from Obuma's two books

Your "quotes are from another (wingnut) email that was circulated b4 the election.

They are all either completely false or a spin on what he said.

Misleading e-mail: From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Actual quote from "The Audacity of Hope" [pg. 261]: Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction. 

Kimo

BTW

I was born at night, but not last night.

coasterfan

@ Taxpayer:  We apparently live in alternate realities. I am a college-educated, well-informed individual, and have a completely different take on everything as you do. From where I'm sitting, Obama took the wheel of a country that was heading deeper in the ditch each day, and stopped the free fall.  You decry where the country is today with Obama at the helm, while I remain 100% assured that it's in a lot better shape thanks to Obama than it would've been if we had another 4 years of Bush/McCain policies. 

We survived Bush. You will survive Obama. And by the way, can I assume that you will not accept any Social Security checks or Medicare help in your later years, since these were created by the liberals you decry?

I have a friend who wears 3 pins on his hat. Pin #1 says "I'm liberal, therefore I think".  #2 says: "If you're not part of the solution, you must be Republican".  My favorite applies specifically to you: "Don't you wish closed minds came with closed mouths?"  The guy has a 160 IQ, so it's a huge mistake for you to think that anyone who doesn't agree with you (Democrats, Liberals) is stupid.

 

anthras

Coastertan, Why would you assume that we should not accept any Social Security checks or Medicare help in our later years as the government has forced us to pay for the benefits. I might add that my 401K and other investments that I have saved on my own pays me more than my social security and when I pass away my family will receive what is left. I could pay into social security for 50 years and die after 3 months of receiving any payments and my family is left with nothing.

anthras

Coastertan, Why would you assume that we should not accept any Social Security checks or Medicare help in our later years as the government has forced us to pay for the benefits. I might add that my 401K and other investments that I have saved on my own pays me more than my social security and when I pass away my family will receive what is left. I could pay into social security for 50 years and die after 3 months of receiving any payments and my family is left with nothing.

PS Obama's IQ is no where near 160

Kimo

Re: EXPERTS have determined that Palin was CORRECT

Huh?

Expert spin doctors:

Rush

Shaun

Glenn

did I miss one?

That was Russia she saw out her window, not Paul...............

 

Kimo

Re: (1) The U.S. economy actually is getting worse, at least in terms of employment

Kasich is doing his damnedest to make sure Ohio adds to the unemployment rolls.

On the inside it's called: "Strategic Employee Reduction".

goofus

Ah yes the liberal intelligencia has spoken, the new castrati, part of the only 24% of citizens who agree with Obummers politics, have espoused how we should feel. We are alas too poorly informed on Obozo's brilliance and  nuances. A record deficit and the annointed one wants to bailout Greece. I guess you have to have a 160 IQ to figure the disastorous ramifications of bailing out a foreign country and how it is good for our country.

brutus smith

He could have your IQ of 2. 

gilamonster
He has a superior IQ and wears pins on his hat: are they made in China? I bet it’s a railroad conductors cap. All aboard the Trotsky Express!   “ A liberal is a man too broad-minded to take his own side in a quarrel” R. Frost   Stimulus was nothing but a band aid, times will get worse, the ship is sinking. My advice buy Rosetta Stone and learn some Chinese. I like what one ‘financial forecaster’ said he would do, “ Replace the Fed with a 486 computer.” If Kasich loses more jobs (he would have to top 400,000) the Repubs can use the same Obama rhetoric; “not enough time to undo all the years of Ted Strychnine.” Yes your right; The Bailout Kings; just get home before the carriage turns back to a pumpkin.   Annoy a liberal, buy a handgun!
rizzaC

There are economic problems that the country is facing and the decision on the strategy to use to solve this will really come from authorities like the president. Careful analysis and studies must be done to be able for it to be a successful one.Obama went to a Chrysler Jeep assembly plant in Toledo, Ohio a week ago. This visit comes two years after Obama's administration decided to invest $60 billion to bailout the troubled car market. Obama was given a warm reception from a group who were grateful for a decision which has kept them currently employed. Here is the proof:  Obama visits Jeep plant in Ohio, cardealexpert.com/news-information.

Bess

“Gloom and Doom, Gloom and Doom”  Oz.  Finian’s Rainbow.

Yes, the economy is showing signs of strain, great strain.  But wait, it could get worse.  August will come and if the debt ceiling is not raised who knows what the effect will be?  I don’t know, do you?

What I do know is this.  Obama was elected in 2009 after eight years of GWB wars, tax breaks, and deregulation.  Until 2008 GWB and the Republican Party passed pretty much anything they wanted.  Disgusted in late 2008 we elected Obama and a Democratic Congress.  In 2010 Tea Party Republicans waged a successful campaign and changed the color of the House of Representatives back to RED and many State Governors and Legislators as well.  We are currently suffering from all of this.

An honest liberal should admit that after two years we have the Obama economy which is showing awful signs of strains with no clear direction.   Why?  I posit the reason lies with the willingness of both Liberals and Conservatives not to bargain in good faith. 

As a liberal, and progressive one at that, I observe that Obama has compromised, diluting Keynesian economic policies that continue today.  No one can know with certainty why Obama compromised on the stimulus and many other policies.  One can presume that compromise was necessary to pass any legislation through the Senate.  The Senate filibuster can stop any legislation proposed in its pure form.  What is clear is the policies we have were negotiated with the Republican Party.   In the end no one is happy. 

Republicans, post election, have shown us what they are all about and it is not compromise.  It is about division: division on capital and labor, division on abortion and now even birth control.  The Republicans are insisting on moving forward the separation of the rich and poor.  And, while they claim they are the party of less government at the state level they legislate more government control over our private lives than we have had since the early 1950’s. 

The insane and unproven agreement between the Tea Party masses and the Tea Party financiers is reasonably clear.  The agreement parallels the Republican Party platform.  Financiers promised support to the religious right for their support of lower taxes for them and laissez faire government.  Ironic isn’t it that religious people would “sell their soul” and compromise the living population of workers for their narrow view of religious principles in fact ignoring the constitutional proposition of religious freedom. 

anthras

Bess, you advised that up until 2008 President Bush and the republican passed what they wanted however the first 6 years of President Bush and the republican party were good years with unemployment very low, interest rates good inflation was in check and in 2006 the people elected a democratic congress and at that time things were different in many ways.

President Bush was concerned about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and sent a letter to congress asking if there should be some over sight by congress. Both Chris Dodd and Barney Frank advised that all was well and congress did not have to  investigate the matter. President Bush was at that time controlled by the Democratic congress.

Ergo we had 6 good years via President Bush and the republican congress and 2 years of  President Bush with a democratic congress.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bess

Anthras-

Upon closer look however you may well find that during the perceived veneer “good times” of GWB’s first six years the unregulated markets - over and above Fannie and Freddie were splitting up these bad loans and selling them as derivatives as having value when they really had little value.  Then the unregulated insurance companies sold insurance on these awful things putting Goldman Sacs and others in a win-win situation.  This was before they were declared “to big to fail” by the GWB administration before Obama was president.  Ordinary citizens were not bailed out by either GWB or Obama and many thousands were forced into foreclosure under the guise of “moral hazard”; funny how the same principal of “moral hazard” was not used for the financial markets.  Ordinary citizens watched as their investments lost value.   October 8, 2007 the DOW stood at $14,093 and by the beginning of the Obama Administration it was $9,034, a loss of 36%.  Those who held homes as their principal investment fared no better.   Since Obama took office the markets recovered some value.  The current DOW is at $12,122 so the investor class has recovered some value.  The ordinary citizens clearly have not. 

Who knows where we will go from here.  But given the continuing tax breaks for those who would not be damaged paying more and the challenges to the “working peoples” right to collectively bargain it appear that the middle class will weaken further.

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EDJI+Interactive#chart1:symbol=^dji;range=20060614,20110608;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on  

6079 Smith W
@ Bess:   To paraphrase LM Keynes: Save during the yrs. of plenty in order to spend during the times of scarcity.   Along the way, Mr. Obama and the so-called "Progressives" have bastardized Keynesian economics to mean: Spend, spend, spend and spend some more.   As so finely illustrated by the current fiscal events and public unrest in Greece: No country in the history of the world can spend itself into long-term prosperity.   You may want to occasionally peruse the writings of economic-historian Mr. Niall Ferguson as well as economist, Mr. Kenneth Rogoff:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niall_Ferguson   http://www.amazon.com/This-Time-Different-Centuries-Financial/dp/0691142165   Every great nation and empire in the history of the world has eventually been broken by massive debt and public spending, i.e., Rome, France, England, Spain, the Soviet Union, etc.     The U.S. has no immunity to the inertia of fiscal history. We are living way beyond our means - pure and simple.   I’m currently re-reading Chas. Kindleberger’s classic, “Manias, Panics and Crashes.” Trust me, our current crop of idiots in DC and elsewhere are no smarter than the multitude of idiots of the past who thought that they could have the good life on the cheap.   http://www.amazon.com/Manias-Panics-Crashes-Financial-Investment/dp/0471467146/ref=pd_sim_b_3   Essentially all Mr. Obama and friends have done is to have taken private debt and transformed it into public debt.   We've spent the majority of our monetary bullets to save us from the Great Recession and have few if any left for the coming worldwide Greatest Depression.     Finally, blaming the policies of POTUS Bush for our current situation demonstrates a lack of macroeconomic sophistication and knowledge. These past, current and future events have been decades in the making.

 

Bess

 Well my worthy opponent Smith is back and begins with:  “To paraphrase LM Keynes: Save during the yrs. of plenty in order to spend during the times of scarcity.”  Perhaps you just forgot but when the conservative Republican GWB took office we were not running an annual deficit but a surplus with a Democratic Administration. 

Just because there are those that hold JM Keynes (not LM) was incorrect does not make it so.  There are many current economists that hold onto Keynesian principals.

Taxpayer

Poor 0bama!  Boo, hoo, hoo!  "He works so hard, he makes me weep."  Ha! Ha!

6079 Smith W

Even more "bad news" for Mr. Obama:

Hot off the web -

"The number of Americans filing new claims for unemployment benefits rose by 1,000 last week, according to a report on Thursday that could stoke fears the labor market recovery has stalled.

Initial claims for state jobless benefits increased to 427,000, the Labor Department said. A department official added the slim rise meant the level was "essentially unchanged."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/43337769

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Here's some quotes for ya:     "I screwed up" - President Barack Obama, 2/3/09

In Aug. 2007, during the campaign, Mr. Joe Biden said the following about Mr. Obama:

"I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training."

 

6079 Smith W

 A couple of other fine missives from our illustrious POTUS:

“I love those folks who helped get us in this mess and now say, ‘This is Obama’s economy,’ That’s fine. Give it to me. ... My job is to solve problems, not to stand on the sidelines and carp and gripe.”

  -   POTUS Obama, 7/15/09     “I don't mind, by the way, being responsible. I expect to be held responsible for these issues because I'm the President. But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them just to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking.”   

- POTUS Obama, August 6, 2009

 

There ya go; in his own words - He's responsible and he claims ownership.

 

brutus smith

 

6079 Smith W says

 A couple of other fine missives from our illustrious POTUS:

“I don't mind, by the way, being responsible. I expect to be held responsible for these issues because I'm the President. But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them just to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking.” 

 

- POTUS Obama, August 6, 2009

 

So birther/deather/full time right wingnut, you agree that the Repubs need to get the f--- out of the way so we can get our economy going again.

6079 Smith W

Bess writes:

"But given the continuing tax breaks for those who would not be damaged paying more,"

 

So in other words, stealing from Peter by Sam, to be used in programs for the benefit of Paul will fix all economic problems now and forever?   Taking capital out of the hands of those who either invest in and/or create jobs producing enterprises and giving it to wasteful taxpayer supported govt. bureaucrats for their disbursement is classic backward brain-dead socialistic thinking.

 

Bess

Smith I don’t understand why you use such easy arguments to oppose.  You just wrote -

“Taking capital out of the hands of those who either invest in and/or create jobs producing enterprises and giving it to wasteful taxpayer supported govt. bureaucrats for their disbursement is classic backward brain-dead socialistic thinking.”  - which defies all logic and history.  Further, liberal politics do not equate to socialism.   Liberals have a point of view.  It is justice not confiscation and redistribution of all property.  Perhaps you should look to equal opportunity and justice for all and stop spewing your nonsense.  As for “taking capital...” by your premise we should be swimming in jobs since the Bush tax cuts.  I don’t see this happening so much for your benevolent investor class.

6079 Smith W
@ Bess:   A one-time annual surplus? More like a blip due to a confluence of factors - not currently repeatable.   You most conveniently forget (the following list is not all inclusive):   A Repub Congress and Senate   The Tech Boom (Stock mkt. began crashing in 2000) NASDAQ at 5K - where is it now?   High tax receipts due to tech boom and economic expansion   (And later) 9/11/01 and the defense build-up and expense of Homeland security.   A boom in housing values (Mr. Clinton drastically reduced the cap gains taxes on the sale of real estate)   Cheap money and credit - Thank you Mr. Greenspan   Cheap oil     That's the problem with people who aren't students of history, they tend to see events in isolation and arrive at very erroneous conclusions.  

"Lord" JM Keynes.

 

 

brutus smith

 birther/deather/full time right wingnut, enlighten me when it is good to cut taxes during a time of war? Show me where it didn't explode a country's deficit. You start 2 trillion dollar wars and cut taxes? Hmmmm.

Bess

Smith-

I agree there are many factors to consider but my general observation stands.  I would also note you cherry pick the observations, a common problem leading to “they tend to see events in isolation and arrive at very erroneous conclusions.“

6079 Smith W

Bess writes:

"Perhaps you should look to equal opportunity and justice for all,"

And who decides this? DC bureaucrats? Socialism is such a nice comfortable fantasy isn't it?

So if the U.S. is not "swimming in jobs" with Bush (and now Obama) era tax cuts, then raising taxes on those with capital will create a boom in employment?

More bastardized Keynsianism - dumping trillions of dollars into the economy has not spurred jobs but increased taxes will?

Talk about "nonsense" - that counterintuitive and absurd.

Approx. 70% of U.S. GDP is consumer spending. Apr. consumer spending increased by a measly .04%. Consumers are paying down debt. They don't want to take on any more debt!

Much of the boom we experienced during the past decade was people borrowing on the increasing value of their houses. Houses values have since cratered.

Pretty much until housing stabilizes, this economy will be moribund.

 

Bess

6079-

You write: "And who decides this? DC bureaucrats?”  Yes.  That’s what they are elected to do. “Socialism is such a nice comfortable fantasy isn't it?”  This clearly illustrates one problem with conservative thinking.  They neither listen nor read and understand anything they do not want to hear.  They just keep going with their own talking points.  I wish they were pretending that contrary facts were not presented but I cannot because I don’t think they recognize them at all.

“So if the U.S. is not "swimming in jobs" with Bush (and now Obama) era tax cuts, then raising taxes on those with capital will create a boom in employment? More bastardized Keynsianism - dumping trillions of dollars into the economy has not spurred jobs but increased taxes will? Talk about "nonsense" - that counterintuitive and absurd.”  See above and ... If we agree that the deficit must be addressed, then the revenue side must be considered.  Taking taxes back to pre-Bush rates would help address this.

6079 Smith W

 Bess writes:

 "I agree there are many factors to consider but my general observation stands."

  So you agree but you disagree? LOL. Let's square that circle!   It’s obviously very convenient for you to spew out opinions without a shred of substantiation. Most mentally lazy people tend to rely on this simplistic "technique."   

And no, you're a poor “opponent” due to the fact that I constantly have to spend time making a seemingly futile effort to educate away from your socialist sophistry.

 

Bess

Square away my friend.  Then try to read for comprehension.

6079 Smith W

brutus smith writes:

"So birther/deather/full time right wingnut,"

From the bs archives:

“Is there something you want to add to the conversation other than your usual hate and nastiness? (brutus smith, May 24, 2011)

Have a nice day Cupcake.

 

 

6079 Smith W
@ Bess:   Here are the EGTRRA tax level changes: a new 10% bracket was created for single filers with taxable income up to $6,000, joint filers up to $12,000, and heads of households up to $10,000. the 15% bracket's lower threshold was indexed to the new 10% bracket the 28% bracket would be lowered to 25% by 2006. the 31% bracket would be lowered to 28% by 2006 the 36% bracket would be lowered to 33% by 2006 the 39.6% bracket would be lowered to 35% by 2006 Are you OK with rollin' 'em ALL back to previous levels? Increase taxes on everyone or not at all eh?   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Growth_and_Tax_Relief_Reconciliation_Act_of_2001     A far much greater problem than the here-today-gone-tomorrow elected officials are the career bureaucrats in the seemingly endless number of alphabet soup of govt. agencies who interpret and carry out their dictates long after they've left office.  

For one, does the U.S. tax code need to be as Byzantine as it currently is?

 

brutus smith

 Weren't the tax cuts for the rich given to spur the economy? Well, they haven't used the money to spur the economy. Time for them to give it back then. If you bought a new car on the promise you would get 40 miles to the gallon, but only got 15, would you want your money back? That's what happened with the rich.

Factitious

If Obama's action in Libya is illegal, why hasn't the Rabid Republican House impeached him?

6079 Smith W

Bess writes:

"I agree there are many factors to consider but my general observation stands."

"Square away my friend.  Then try to read for comprehension."

FYI: The "but" negated the prior statement in which you stated that you agreed.

Any comprehension issue appears to lay squarely with the writer.

 

 

6079 Smith W

Bess writes:

"This clearly illustrates one problem with conservative thinking.  They neither listen nor read and understand anything they do not want to hear.  They just keep going with their own talking points.  I wish they were pretending that contrary facts were not presented but I cannot because I don’t think they recognize them at all."   Exactly what facts have you presented?   Other than simplistic emotional appeals for increasing taxes on some, equal opportunity and justice - you've presented no substantial arguments whatsoever.   Just more liberal-socialist-progressive gobbledygook.  
Bess

6079-

“Anger leads to the dark side…”   Yoda.   And you my friend are very angry, why? I know not. 

1)      You continue to erroneously call liberal adherents socialists, ignoring or not aware of the written comments.   Then without a shred of evidence claim superiority.

2)      I would agree with going back to the tax code rates you presented but for at the lower income levels the people have naught to live on before paying taxes.  Perhaps you don’t care.  I do.

3)      Facts worth repeating.   

“Gloom and Doom, Gloom and Doom”  Oz.  Finian’s Rainbow.

Yes, the economy is showing signs of strain, great strain.  But wait, it could get worse.  August will come and if the debt ceiling is not raised who knows what the effect will be?  I don’t know, do you?

What I do know is this.  Obama was elected in 2009 after eight years of GWB wars, tax breaks, and deregulation.  Until 2008 GWB and the Republican Party passed pretty much anything they wanted.  Disgusted in late 2008 we elected Obama and a Democratic Congress.  In 2010 Tea Party Republicans waged a successful campaign and changed the color of the House of Representatives back to RED and many State Governors and Legislators as well.  We are currently suffering from all of this.

An honest liberal should admit that after two years we have the Obama economy which is showing awful signs of strains with no clear direction.   Why?  I posit the reason lies with the willingness of both Liberals and Conservatives not to bargain in good faith. 

As a liberal, and progressive one at that, I observe that Obama has compromised, diluting Keynesian economic policies that continue today.  No one can know with certainty why Obama compromised on the stimulus and many other policies.  One can presume that compromise was necessary to pass any legislation through the Senate.  The Senate filibuster can stop any legislation proposed in its pure form.  What is clear is the policies we have were negotiated with the Republican Party.   In the end no one is happy. 

Republicans, post election, have shown us what they are all about and it is not compromise.  It is about division: division on capital and labor, division on abortion and now even birth control.  The Republicans are insisting on moving forward the separation of the rich and poor.  And, while they claim they are the party of less government at the state level they legislate more government control over our private lives than we have had since the early 1950’s. 

The insane and unproven agreement between the Tea Party masses and the Tea Party financiers is reasonably clear.  The agreement parallels the Republican Party platform.  Financiers promised support to the religious right for their support of lower taxes for them and laissez faire government.  Ironic isn’t it that religious people would “sell their soul” and compromise the living population of workers for their narrow view of religious principles in fact ignoring the constitutional proposition of religious freedom. 

Captain Gutz
"An honest liberal should admit that after two years we have the Obama economy which is showing awful signs of strains with no clear direction.   Why? I posit the reason lies with the willingness of both Liberals and Conservatives not to bargain in good faith. "

I couldn't agree more, just like the previous administration, and the one prior to that , and to that, ad nauseam.

goofus

For the last time, there was no tax cut for the rich, it was a continuation of the Bush tax tables. We could stop this argument if the liberal socialists that want to pay more taxes,pay more taxes and leave the rest of us alone. Bess and Brutus, there is nothing stopping you from donating more money to the government. Don't ask the rest of us to march to your drumming of wealth redistribution, I find it so vile to take what a person worked hard to achieve and give it to classic underachievers. It's stealing no matter what you call it.

Bess

Goofus

“Don't ask the rest of us to march to your drumming of wealth redistribution,”   So you cannot spare a dime, not even a dime for the poor, for the elderly, for the sick?  But you have no issue with oil and gas subsidies, corporate tax loopholes, etc. etc. etc.  You’re a real jewel of a fellow.

goofus

Since the midterms, we have divisions. It seems to me the majority of the voters wanted division judging by the the landslide victories. It's only a division when you are supporting the other side, I call it a mandate!!

goofus

Thank you Bess, how do you liberal union loving people live with yourself, I know this is America and you have a right to be heard, but here?

Union 'zombies' disrupt Special Olympics ceremony...

goofus

If it only were a dime not hundreds of dollars to the dysfunctional generational welfare crowd as well as failed policies of the Obummer administration. And by the generational welfare crowd, I mean the core voting bloc for the democratic party.

It's not a division, it's a mandate!!

6079 Smith W

 

Trust me, I understand very well what I write (unlike some here).   Simple definitions:   Socialism: State ownership of the mean of production and all property.   Fascism: State ownership and regulation over those means of production and property that it doesn’t own.   Capitalism: Private ownership of the means of production and property.   If it ain’t in private hands, it’s one of the other two. Corporatism (fascism) is the way of the U.S.    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumpeter     And know this, all the actions of the Bush and Obama admins. have taken TBTF and simply created Too Bigger to Fail.  For the most part only Lehman failed, all others were absorbed into other financial institutions or nationalized by the Obama admin.     You appear to be focused far too much on politics and should be looking closer instead at the monetary policies of the Federal Reserve over the past decade or so.   The Fed has been at roughly 0% fed funds rate since ’08. If this don’t eventually lead to hyperinflation, I’ll buy ya a future cup of coffee.   BTW: Eliot Spitzer caused the ouster of Hank Greenberg from AIG. Proof of Spitzer’s accusations never saw the light of day. Mr. Greenberg was a student of risk and took it very seriously. Without his stewardship, AIG wandering into areas that he would have never allowed.   Were you aware that there are over $500 trillion worth of derivatives in the world? The next blow-up is just around the corner.   I say if you want to go back to the Clinton era tax rates then do it for everyone – or none at all.  

Yoda? I much preferred the character Yogurt in “Space Balls.” 

 

 

6079 Smith W

@ Bess:

I have my charities to which I donate. Some yrs. I donate more or less than in others.

Leavin' it to bureaucrats to decide who gets what leads to corruption and cronyism - kind of like the public union employees votin' for sympathetic Dems who only promise them more, more, and more from the taxpayer trough. 

Know this: The wealthy make up 30% of total consumer spending. If consumer spending makes up 70% of U.S. GDP, what do you think increasing the Federal taxes on them is gonna do to GDP and the economy?

People who advocate raising taxes on the wealthy tend to conveniently forget about all the other state and local taxes and fees that they are already paying which have been being increased over the yrs.

In CA, some wealthy will pay over 60% of their income in total taxes; how hard would you work if the socialists only allowed you to keep 40% of everything that you earned?

 

 

 

 

patriot5
No one knows why Obama compromised? That’s easy, he is a politician foremost and does not want to lose all his votes.   Equal opportunity and justice for all, amen sister. Now everyone else can put some self discipline into their lives, work real hard to achieve goals in life; work everyday like the majority of us do.   Liberals, they recycle failed socialist ideas, how many times has that worked out. “ Rise up peasants and take the factories, the farms, and the land” The downfall of the mortgage crisis began with liberals wanting lower income owners to have a slice of the American dream. Liberals like B Frank pushed for lower lending criteria with Fan and Fred. He almost admitted it himself, that it swung open unregulated MBS and subprime disaster. But do what a progressive does, blame it all on banks. (not saying banks and wall street were not major players, but people like Frank opened the door)   Economists and business analyst say revenue created by closing tax loopholes is small compared to the amount that could be created by those who pay nothing. I am for fair tax reform, that means everyone from Joe Welfare to GE, remember equal opportunity. But Joe Welfare does not create jobs. Think trading is unfair now, wait until prices go up and foreign companies can control the market share, 90-95% of consumers are outside of the US.   Brutus when I buy groceries, can I get a refund from the person in front of me buying food on Ohio card, then pulling cash out to buy cartons of smokes and a 12 pack; a least they could offer me a a can of brew for my hard work supporting them.  
gilamonster

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Obama 2007. Why is it ok then to go to Libya? How much did we spend on his cruise missile barrage? Typical liberal/socialist mentality; it applies to you and not me.

Nice he won the peace prize,  based on things he would do in the future. I guess if Arafat can win it, anyone can.

Sam

Are two resident  "progressives" they are afraid to call themselves liberals any more.  Proof that misery does love company.....   Prime examples of far left socialist elite. They rant the rant but how many payrolls have they paid, how many personal financial risks have they taken it expand their business?  My guess is zero.  The majority of the far left loons survive either on the public mammary or as hacks of the unions taking the resource of the real hard working middle class.

Bess

It is clear that bloggers want to go on and on, paying no attention to declarations, that liberal progressives, liberals, or progressives (i.e. anyone on the political left or far left) are not socialists.  When you make these statements you are only preaching to the choir that wants to believe this.  They do so at great peril because they are creating dissonance when as a nation we need honest communication to solve the Nations problems.

 

Taxpayer

Here is MORE bad news about the president YOU voted for.   What happened to those 1200 United States Marines and TWO war ships sent to Libya by ORDER of the two-bit president??  Oops, you liberals MUST have forgotten all about that!

0bama: "No ground troops are going to Libya."

United States Marine Corp.:  "We have been ordered to Libya"

Well, well.  Your president has placed another LIE on his list of great achievements in being a LIAR!  Amazing isn't it?  Come on freaks, start making up EXCUSES.  That train is never late!  I KNOW you can do it.  "Oh, 0bama works so hard.  He is going to save the nation.  He needs to play more golf.  Boo, hoo, hoo."  Ha! Ha!  The republicans can NOT do a thing about it because they only have a majority in the House.  The democracks still have the majority in the Senate and White House.  THAT is why 0bama is not being impeached for being in violation of the War Powers Act.  The ONLY thing John Boehner (R-OH) can do is try and CUT OFF the funding for being in and bombing Libya.  The president just does what ever he wants.  Exactly like a socialist, liberal.  We have PLENTY of money!  Now WHO would have figured?  Go liberals, Go democracks, Go 0bama!  Four more years, FOUR MORE YEARS!  Ha! Ha!   

patriot5
I thought liberals pushed for the following: Government needs to regulate all areas of the economy (free market and capitalism only benefit the rich) Public schools are the best way to educate, (last part of the communist manifesto) Support embryonic research, but lab animals are off limits Government should control gas, electric, and utilities, big government is good. Government controlled health care Amnesty for all illegals, then complain about low wages or no jobs Religion has no place in government, unless your Muslim or gay then its ok, we don’t want to trample on your rights. Higher taxes for the rich, just do not ask those who pay nothing to put in their share. Welfare is great, why reform it or make people accountable The US military should submit to the UN/EU. (this is one I despise) Individuals do not need guns, the government will protect you. Well who will protect you from them; Nazi Germany come to mind. (that’s the worst one) Everyone is equal, redistribute the wealth, why even work hard then? Land owners are evil, eminent domain for green space and the greater good of mankind.   Everything listed is from a “liberal website” and you see no resemblance to some socialist? Several historic leaders come to mind. What usually follows socialism? Take America down from the inside out, pinko’s.
brutus smith

 Which liberal website pat? Gateway pundit?

Sam

Once again the socialist proclaim  Iam not a liberal socialist, I am a progressive socialist.

eriemom

Bess: You will never change their minds, because they want you to believe that they have all the answers--money. Their money and nobody has a right to it. They earned it by their own sweat, and you are trying to take it. That is where the Constitutional argument comes from.

They believe in Social Darwinism. With this comes the relentless attack on the unemployeed, indigent, working poor, unions, and anyone else who is "other".

Even when faced with the fact that this county's infrastructure and the middle class was built on a progressive tax system and the lives and sweat of blue collar workers, they blame the very people who built it.

Blame for what? Trying to earn a wage that can raise a family? That fact is that they are fighting, tooth and nail, posting day and night, to brain wash angry people. The anger comes from the knowledge that the American dream is dying. What they refuse to admit is that it is dying because they themselves are slackers. Ayn Rand was wrong. Greed is evil, and we are seeing its result.

goofus

Why after two years of Obozo we have a midterm election that was an historic turnaround in the state legislative bodies and the U.S. House and we must not seek disonance and work together? People you lost, get over it, huddle up in your little covens and sing Kumbaya!

KURTje

When it helps the monied it is called capitalism.   (Cororate welfare/subsidies, tax abatements, etc.)                                                                                               When the majority of honest hard working Americans get help from a system they paid into it is called socialism by some.                                                                                                                                                   The majority of combat personel are from humble/modest means.                                                            The majority  of rule makers (leaders) have a non-military/monied background, & a documented history of draft avoidance.        Make military service manditory for all qualified Americans peacetime/wartime.                     Make a flat tax for all with no shelters for all.                     Basic math.....everyone pay their fair share.   Eliminate the upper tier of career criminals nationwide, saving honest Americans from housing scum.        Protect American's interest on the world market  &   make it illegal for corporate dynasties to play "shell games"        Allow the use  of Rudolph Diesel's creation (Diesel engine) as it was designed over a hundered years ago,   freeing up America's need for foriegn product (oil).               Utilize America's food supply( that we the people paid for),   as a lever when dealing with foriegn counties.  (Kinda like OPEC only America has the say on its product)     I see solutions    -   not problems.       Du hast mich?                                      

patriot5
Hey eriemom, I believe in the American dream, I believe in earning it. Yes the wealth I earned is mine, and if I can do it anyone can.   It has always been instilled in me, work hard to get what you want, what’s wrong with that? Enjoy the fruits of your hard labor. You want some pie, get off your can and get it, like so many others. I pay taxes, what about all those that don’t?   I know money is not everything, nor it is the answer, ultimately you have to be happy, and that’s freedom. Spend some time in a country that doesn’t have it, then you may appreciate it.   This country was built with blue collar workers, no sh$$ genius. Our relatives slaved away to help build this county; with hard work and values.The key word is work. America was great, people worked hard, we ruled the world. They said the pledge, raised the flag,believed in God, and serving their country; more important things to worry about than Joe marrying John, or tip-toeing around in fear of offending someone, politically correct gobbly-gook.   Yes the American dream is dying; you liberals are killing it! Take responsibility for your actions. You want to live in some big government nanny state? You want the government to control your life; be careful what you wish for. Slacker, sure, ok, I bet my hours worked per week against yours. You want to earn a living, good pay to raise a family? I believe in that, go get it. You expect a $95k/yr job to fall in your lap without working for it or investing no effort? What’s wrong with a lower paying job being used as a stepping stone to something better, people want rewards without any effort.   Social Darwinism, nice try. Socialism leads to communism, do your homework; Lenin. All this socialism, progressive, cowsh; will be nothing short of communism look at history. A government that is powerful enough to control everything, is powerful enough to take all your rights from you. I would not expect you to stand up and fight, I know liberals hate guns. Your political correctness makes me sick. If America and capitalism is so bad; buy a ticket to China.   Kurt, I agree, fair tax for all, and charge the world the same price for ‘grain’ as we pay for oil. You can not knock corporate welfare, without knocking Obama, the king of bailouts.      
brutus smith

 You try to post some logical things Eriemom and people like stupfuss and patriot upchuck all over it. 

6079 Smith W

 eriemom writes: 

“The anger comes from the knowledge that the American dream is dying. What they refuse to admit is that it is dying because they themselves are slackers.”   So the achievers who are rewarded for their risk taking and accomplishments are “slackers” and that’s why the “American dream is dying”?   

Do you actually believe this drivel?

 

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@ bess:

Not a socialist? Kindly read Karl Marx's 10 "measures" from his "Communist Manifesto" and tell me how many of them you agree or somewhat agree with:  

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.  

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm

 BTW: Marx and Engels used the terms "socialist" and "communist" interchangeably. 

 

brutus smith

 Anyone who disagrees with the birther/deather/full time right wingnut is either a Marxist, Socialist, Communist. Do we really want a private firm operating our military, our police and fire, our water supply, our communications network? I don't think so.

digger nick

These are the programs (55) that the Republican House has proposed cutting. Read to the end.

These cuts do not require partisan consideration. They're non-essential - and BOTH parties
should agree to simply eliminate all of those listed below.....contact your Representative !

• Corporation for Public Broadcasting Subsidy. $445 million annual savings.
• "Save America's Treasures" Program. $25 million annual savings.
• International Fund for Ireland . $17 million annual savings .
• Legal Services Corporation. $420 million annual savings.
• National Endowment for the Arts. $167.5 million annual savings .

• National Endowment for the Humanities. $167.5 million annual savings .
• Hope VI Program.. $250 million annual savings .
• Amtrak Subsidies. $1.565 billion annual savings .
• Eliminate duplicative education programs. H. R. 2274 (in last Congress), authored by Rep. McKeon, eliminates 68 at a savings of $1.3 billion annually .............get it passed, eliminate all 68
• U.S. Trade Development Agency. $55 million annual savings.

• Woodrow Wilson Center Subsidy. $20 million annual savings .
• Cut in half funding for congressional printing and binding. $47 million annual savings .
• John C. Stennis Center Subsidy. $430,000 annual savings .
• Community Development Fund. $4.5 billion annual savings .
• Heritage Area Grants and Statutory Aid. $24 million annual savings .

• Cut Federal Travel Budget in Half. $7.5 billion annual savings
• Trim Federal Vehicle Budget by 20%. $600 million annual savings .
• Essential Air Service. $150 million annual savings .
• Technology Innovation Program. $70 million annual savings .
• Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) Program. $125 million annual savings .

• Department of Energy Grants to States for Weatherization. $530 million annual savings .
• Beach Replenishment. $95 million annual savings .
• New Starts Transit. $2 billion annual savings .
• Exchange Programs for Alaska , Natives Native Hawaiians , and Their Historical Trading Partners in Massachusetts . $9 million annual savings
• Intercity and High Speed Rail Grants. $2.5 billion annual savings .

• Title X Family Planning. $318 million annual savings .
• Appalachian Regional Commission. $76 million annual savings .
• Economic Development Administration. $293 million annual savings .
• Programs under the National and Community Services Act. $1.15 billion annual savings .
• Applied Research at Department of Energy. $1.27 billion annual savings .

• FreedomCAR and Fuel Partnership. $200 million annual savings .
• Energy Star Program. $52 million annual savings .
• Economic Assistance to Egypt . $250 million annually .
• U.S. Agency for International Development. $1.39 billion annual savings .
• General Assistance to District of Columbia . $210 million annual savings .

• Subsidy for Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority. $150 million annual savings .
• Presidential Campaign Fund. $775 million savings over ten years .
• No funding for federal office space acquisition. $864 million annual savings .
• End prohibitions on competitive sourcing of government services .
• Repeal the Davis-Bacon Act. More than $1 billion annually .

• IRS Direct Deposit: Require the IRS to deposit fees for some services it offers (such as processing payment plans for taxpayers) to the Treasury, instead of allowing it to remain as part of its budget. $1.8 billion savings over ten years .
• Require collection of unpaid taxes by federal employees. $1 billion total savings . WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?
• Prohibit taxpayer funded union activities by federal employees. $1.2 billion savings over ten years.
• Sell excess federal properties the government does not make use of. $15 billion total savings .
• Eliminate death gratuity for Members of Congress .

• Eliminate Mohair Subsidies. $1 million annual savings .
• Eliminate taxpayer subsidies to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change . $12.5 million annual savings
• Eliminate Market Access Program. $200 million annual savings .
• USDA Sugar Program. $14 million annual savings .
• Subsidy to Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) . $93 million annual savings .

• Eliminate the National Organic Certification Cost-Share Program. $56.2 million annual savings .
• Eliminate fund for Obamacare administrative costs . $900 million savings .
• Ready to Learn TV Program. $27 million savings ..
• HUD Ph.D. Program . (?)
• Deficit Reduction Check-Off Act .

•TOTAL SAVINGS : $2.5 Trillion over Ten Years
 

brutus smith

 Did I miss subsidies for the oil companies somewhere nick? How about the military? Those 2 alone would equal the Repub total plus some.

Bess

6079-

Wherever there is a parallel between the Beatitudes and Prayer of St Francis with the Marx’s Big 10 that your provide, then well yes I agree with it.  

 

Matthew 5:3-10.Beatitudes

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Verse 3) Blessed are the meek: for they shall possess the land. (Verse 4) Blessed are they who mourn: for they shall be comforted. (Verse 5) Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill. (Verse 6) Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. (Verse 7) Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God. (Verse 8) Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (Verse 9) Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Verse 10)

 

Prayer of Saint Francis of Assisi

Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury,pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
and where there is sadness, joy.

 

However socialism is defined as an economic system in which the MEANS OF PRODUCTION are publicly or commonly owned and controlled co-operatively, or a political philosophy advocating such a system.  As a liberal and/or progressive liberals and/or progressives (pick your term) I do not believe in the control the means of production. 

6079 Smith W

And the bad news for the Clown Prince just keeps on comin'.

US Home Prices Could Still Fall a Lot More:   http://www.cnbc.com/id/43339262  

Another 25%????? YIKES!

 

6079 Smith W

brutus smith writes:

"Anyone who disagrees with the birther/deather/full time right wingnut,"

From the bs archives:

“Feeling bad about yourself today?” (brutus smith, Nov. 24, 2010)

Have a nice day Cupcake.

 

6079 Smith W

Bess writes:

“Wherever there is a parallel between the Beatitudes and Prayer of St Francis with the Marx’s Big 10,” 

 

So the State is God?

You do know that the early Christians were communists don’t you? All property was held in common.

Like later authoritarian States, God struck dead those that didn’t share:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+5&version=NIV

 

 

6079 Smith W

Another "oops!" for the Clown Prince.

"Companies Spend on Equipment, Not Workers":

"Workers are getting more expensive while equipment is getting cheaper, and the combination is encouraging companies to spend on machines rather than people."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/43353639

 

goofus
brutus smith says

 You try to post some logical things Eriemom and people like stupfuss and patriot upchuck all over it.

Pretty good coming from the king of illogical and inane arguments. It must be falling apart when liberals attack each other! ROFLMAO

eriemom

digger: I would expect nothing less from a republican house paid for by fossil fuel industries. We need to be looking to the future instead of protecting outdated forms of energy. A large percentage of these cuts put us in a continued monopoly position, where energy can only come from single sources.

Why are we not looking at tariffs? It seems to me that other countries protect their people. We, instead, protect the corporations who want American protection, but none of the accountability. The anger, and decline of the American Deam, are directly related manufacturing outsourcing.

Stop trying to blame the unemployed as slavin. These folks are not lazy. They built this country. You just don't want to pay for the upkeep any more.

 

 

eriemom

Patriot: Bush 2 bailed out the banks; without strings. The bill was like 2 pages long. It said something along the lines of, here take this money and loan it out, but of course they didn't.  Obama bailed out the GM and Crysler, saving many jobs, but he didn't get any credit for it. You only hear negative about cash for clunkers, by the same people who rushed to take advantage of the program.

Just the truth. Not a political stand.

mikel

eriemom - that tariff idea is a genius idea!   how about we start right at the top with all of the gm and chrysler vehicles that are made outside of the usa.  this would account for 99% of all vehicles made by gm and chrysler.  you know, these are the same two companies that reaped all of the bailout money and sent the majority of it to their facdtories OUTSIDE of the usa.  so, the workers of mexico, china etc would like to personally thank you, eriemom, for supporting obumbles and his plan to revive their economies while ours if dying!

eriemom

You did read my last sentence, right?

How about this? Were these programs part of the cut list? I think they were on Diggers list.

“The United States cannot replace its dependence on foreign oil with a dependence on clean energy technology abroad. I’m hopeful that China’s decision to end these clean energy subsidies is one more step towards Ohio wind turbine manufacturers competing on a level playing field and adding good-paying jobs,” Sen. Brown continued.

Sen. Brown has been working to promote the competitiveness of the American clean energy industry. More than 70 percent of the components of clean energy systems are produced outside the United States. Sen. Brown is fighting to bolster domestic production of clean energy components and to make Ohio the Silicon Valley of Clean Energy Manufacturing. This Congress, he reintroduced legislation that would expand and improve the Advanced Energy Manufacturing Tax Credit (48C) program. The Security in Energy and Manufacturing (SEAM) Act would extend the program and allow for grants in lieu of tax credits. This would enable the program to reach additional companies that would otherwise be unable to utilize the program—new companies that do not yet have tax liabilities or companies that struggle to find credit in today's tight financial market. The SEAM Act also adjusts the selection criteria to give higher priority to facilities that manufacture—rather than assemble—goods and components in the U.S.
 

The New World Czar

@eriemom - nice of you to post such "original" material...why not just post the link the next time? http://brown.senate.gov/newsroom/press_releases/release/?id=125B64DC-3005-4B71-A6AD-0B96C24A3C73

 

eriemom

I posted only a small segement because I have learned that I need to keep posts short. Most don't look at links. Many others doen't read anything longer than 4 lines. Which one are you?

I kind of like that at least someone in this state is interested in making jobs available, instead of slash and burn politics.

As far as I know, we are still digging and burning coal. My network is still up.

The New World Czar

eriemom- next time you talk to Sherrod, ask him what his role was in trying to save the GM plant down in his hometown of Mansfield...or the Lorain Ford plant when he lived in a lakefront house there back in the 1990's.

Like it or not, tough decisions have to be made in tough times, and the party of "No" is doing it.

mikel

clean energy? really?  these programs are not able to fund themselves.  so, they can only continue by being subsidized by the gov.  yeah, so we get to pay more taxes on programs that can not survive i.e. amtrak, usps, ssi etc.

gilamonster
As far as green energy goes, how can you take Obama serious when he said that he would bankrupt oil and coal, those jobs must not matter. How can you take his staff serious when they more or less defend high gas as a way to push green energy? He is going to use the revenue from closing tax loopholes on oil, for green subsidies, your fuel price will never come down after that happens.   Oils main goal, turn a profit; green energy goal, turn a profit off of fear. You replace one monopoly with another. You will have big greedy millionaires just like oil. I am sure Obamas buddies like Soros and disciple Gore are drooling at the mouth. Don’t believe it, look what happened in Europe with the wind-energy scandals. At least one of those players are involved in America wind energy. Its all money, both sides of the coin; and we get shafted either way. How much stimulus money went to China for green job creation, in their country.   So other countries that we compete with like China, Indonesia, protect their workers, hahah.
The New World Czar

Yep, Sherrod Brown has been promoting "clean" energy while (along with Obama) also doing his part to decimate the coal industry...sure these guys stick up for the unions, LMAO.

Brown has not worked in the private sector since delivering the Mansfield News Journal as a teenager, and has no clue (except for the term "subsidy") what it takes to run anything except his emotional-blackmailing rhetoric.

"We're all in this together" says he to the unemployed from his posh Avon home...

These two cannot be voted out soon enough.

brutus smith

 So is Brown supposed to live in the ghetto nwc?

Sam

New World Czar, don't confuse the far left loons with facts.

The New World Czar

Confuse...or abuse? Either way, it's way too easy.

The New World Czar

Good morning Brutus...

Brown grew up in a nice big house on a nice corner lot...and got a nice Ivy League degree from Yale in Russian Studies. His track record all along has been that of a community activist, promising the underbelly side entitlements paid for by those who actually contribute to society.

Where he lives is where he lives, trying to portray himself as the voice of the common folk but out of touch with his true supporters, hence the term "Limousine Liberal".

Let us know if he likes his quarter-pounder with or without cheese next time he pays you a visit to talk about domestic policy.

brutus smith

 nwc, please give me an example of your Senator or Congressman who is our "ordinary guy or gal".

The New World Czar

Good question Brutus, Kaptur doesn't fall into the category either, doesn't she?

Actually John Kasich was our congressman when we lived in Central Ohio, about as straight-forward and accessible as they came. Whether working out at the Westerville Athletic club, grocery shopping in Kroger, or sitting outside on the front step of his house, this is what a great example of an ordinary guy.

Around 15 years later he is foregoing the governor's mansion to live in his own place, setting a good example for not spending when you don't have to. A great example of a continued success story of working hard and smart.

This really gets under some people's skin, doesn't it?

 

brutus smith

 And you know Sherrod Brown doesn't do those same things?

The New World Czar

Yes, when the photo-op is available.

Again, according to him, "we're all in this together", says he to the unemployed UAW member around Mansfield and Lorain.

brutus smith

 I didn't quite understand what you were saying about Kaptur. Do you think she is an ordinary gal?

The New World Czar

Re: Kaptur- she likes to parade in front of her neighborhood home in Toledo, whenever home...but spends most of the time in her posh condo in DC.

Not much different than two local politicos, one who lives on his estate in Perkins, and the other on his waterfront property. Good Democrats, reaching out to the working man, aren't they?

Taxpayer

Hey, New World Czar.  You are SPOT on the MONEY!  You have your work cut out for you trying to debate against long time, entitlement, welfare, reparations, and more money for more failure, whining liberals.  They have been indoctrinated all their lives to keep their hands out for their freebies for everyone else to PAY and that is why the city is dying and they are so miserable.  You are correct about Kasich.  But, for Brown and Kaptur, it is all about an entitlement job forever.  Why should they do anything?  They get paid to RUN in front of the cameras, allow the liberal press to stroke them up and then go back to doing NOTHING.   

brutus smith

 Hey boys, kassick is a career politician too.

The New World Czar

Sorry Brutus, but incorrect on your part...Kasich had gigs with Lehman and FNC, as well as owning a restaurant (with his wife) in the Columbus area.

brutus smith

 Not incorrect. 

Election

He was elected to the United States House of Representatives in 1982, defeating incumbent Bob Shamansky. Kasich was reelected eight times, serving from 1983 to 2001.[1

 

He originally worked as a researcher for the Ohio Legislative Service Commission.[9] From 1975 to 1978, he served as an administrative assistant to then-state Senator Buz Lukens.

 

In 1978, Kasich was elected to the Ohio Senate, representing the 15th district, after defeatingDemocratic incumbent Robert O'Shaughnessy with 56% of the vote.[11] At age 26, he was the youngest person ever elected to the Ohio Senate.[12] One of his first acts as a state senator was to refuse a pay raise.[13][

 

Now let's stop splitting hairs here nwc, he is a career politician. How do you think he got the Fox news gig and the Lehman brothers job?

KURTje

2Bess give it up........from winnie smith " I ain't a Christan."                           Fill in the blanks.   He even used my prose.................@.                                                       Is he a true PDB?        Me thinks so.  

KURTje

2Bess give it up........from winnie smith " I ain't a Christan."                           Fill in the blanks.   He even used my prose.................@.                                                       Is he a true PDB?        Me thinks so.  

The New World Czar

Thanks for the update Brutus (and Wiki)...but your cut and paste did reveal one universal quality about Kasich putting his money where his mouth is "One of his first acts as a state senator was to refuse a pay raise".

No doubt that his successes in previous public life helped him get back into the private sector, as both stints tapped his penny-pinching qualities as a resource. His fiscal common sense runs circles around the conga-line dunce team of Kaptur, Brown, and Obama...all of whom again have no fiscal-responsible background....and it shows.

 

 

Bess

Taxpayer and New World Czar.   You seem really upset that Sherrod Brown is both a liberal (liberal/liberal progressive/progressive) because he is educated and successful.  Successful and educated liberals pose a problem for conservatives because of their generalization all liberals are winey, uneducated, welfare recipients’.  They just don’t understand that liberals come from all points on the economic spectrum: poor, middle class, upper middle class and wealthy.   Conservatives don’t know what to do when an educated person who works hard and is successful do not share their narrow view of the world. 

Kurt.  Not a clue what your post is attempting to communicate.

6079 Smith W

 @ Bess:

U.S. Senator Brown is educated all right - he has a BA in Russian Studies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherrod_Brown

As one of your fellow-minded socialists, he obviously is knowledgeable about the tragic lessons contained in the seventy yrs. of Bolshevik rule in Russia and would like to see a similar economic and political path for the U.S.

Many liberals stupidly believe that the Soviet Union would have worked if only the right people would have been in charge.

 In the book "The Road to Serfdom," FA Hayek brilliantly showed that authoritarians could later misuse even the most benevolently intended rules and regulations. i.e., Mr. Obama has only reinforced the vast majority of the legislation known as The Patriot Act, which liberals had originally decried as Bush fascism.

http://www.amazon.com/Road-Serfdom-Documents---Definitive-Collected/dp/0226320553/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1307883623&sr=8-1

 

 

Bess

6079

As a liberal I am always impressed by those that can read and comprehend.  I am always discouraged by those that read and either miss the point or misconstrue the data presented, a common conservative problem.  For example, a conservative can read that a person studied Russian Studies and conclude that he/she supports the tenants. 

6079 Smith W

 @Bess:

Like you, is not Mr. Brown a big proponent of central planning, ergo - a socialist?

You're entitled to bask in the comfort of your illusions.

However, trust me sweetheart, when previously tested academically, my reading comprehension ability was in the ninety-percentile range.

I also hold a BA with a Political Science major and a History minor - lotsa reading and comprehension.

In light of current popular U.S. political thinking, the term “liberal” is merely a euphemism for socialist. At least in Europe they tend to be honest about it.

 

  

 

Bess

6079.

I have no illusion about your reading comprehension for you don’t comprehend any of the facts or opinions that run counter to yours on this blog.  Therefore, I base my statement on the observations made here, on this blog.   As for your “credentials” I can say that I’m a Rhode Scholar it doesn’t make it so.

6079 Smith W

 Bess writes:

"I can say that I’m a Rhode Scholar it doesn’t make it so."

It's obvious that you're not a "Rhodes" Scholar.

http://www.rhodesscholar.org/scholars 

I'm more than open to informative and knowledgeable arguments contrary to my educated opinions and experience; I just haven't read any from you or your cadre of fellow socialists.

 

 

 

Bess

6079-

I rest my case.  You just proved my point.

goofus

That's the problem with liberals, they are the intelligencia of the new castrati. They feel it is their right and destiny to rule the uneducated masses. It is their birthright to rule! We just don't know all the nuances of socialism. The vast majority of college professors and educators are liberals who delight in turning young minds into mush!

patriot5
Nothing but wealth-envy card players, ideas that continually fail, bent on destroying America.   How is this; The Department of Labor created a phone application to track your hours worked, for those that distrust their employers. App lets employees calculate hours, breaks, and overtime as official records. The smart phone application will empower employees according to the Obama Administration. That’s lovely, now you can clock into your cell phone and officially be at work, I don’t see any problems with abuse from this idea. What is next to empower the ‘people” have employers hand everything over. Timecards (tracking employee hours) are required by employers under FLSA.   Glad we spent the money on a biometric time clock, good software, and strict policy if you fail to log in or out.  
The New World Czar

The percentage of the administration with private sector experience is tragically low, somewhere around the 10% range...and wants to "transform" our society.

The bottom line is that when it comes to where we stand today is that our economy and national bank accounts are fiscal basket cases and that this administration is in way over its head in leading us out.

It takes an administration with proven leaders that have sound business and financial backgrounds to run a ship like our country successfully...and don't start the whining about "it's Bush's fault" as the last two years of his second term were shared with a Democratic-controlled Congress.

Bess, again...your views seem to be along side of this...and you're proud of it?

6079 Smith W

  Bess writes: 

"You just proved my point."   Say wa?    You had a "point" contained somewhere in that emotionally laden mess of sophistry that you wrong-headedly believe passes for intelligent and thought provoking dialog? Do tell.   You're outclassed and outgunned. Stay in the shallow end of the mental pool where you properly belong.   BTW: The Rhodes Scholarship is named for Cecil Rhodes who was a British imperialist and capitalist - you wouldn't have liked him.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Rhodes

 

brutus smith

 "In Corporate America We Trust". Move over God, you are about to written out. Sunday services will now be at the Corporations. Oh, wait a minute, Walmart already does this.

The New World Czar

Brutus, I suggest you give up the arches and apply at Chik-Fil-A, as they stay closed on Sundays. The nearest one is in North Olmsted...oops, I imagine that is too much for you to spend on gas to get there. If only we had less regulations in drilling for oil, then Brutus could have his dream job.

Erie County Resident

Hate to be the one to break this to you bs you dumbss A but your liberal court rulings are doing it and not corporations as you say.

I bet you really love and are a member of the ACLU, ACORN, and all the other socialist groups out there.

Just keep saying it is the Republicans fault and sooner or later you might actually believe it.

brutus smith

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Pete

What's wrong tax consumer, your Lord and Master, the All Mighty Obie the Great, vulnerable at the next election?

Tsk Tsk Tsk. I feel sorry for you. But you should have seen this coming. The guy is about as useful as %$#$ on a boar and has wrecked this country for decades to come

Maybe you should unhook the flue on the water heater in your basement, and just hug a picture of him while the fumes slowly take over

It's the right thing for you tew dew!

6079 Smith W

Pretty much ever since this Congressman Weiner nonsense started, I often recall this old cartoon from National Lampoon that pictured a hot dog reading his junk mail.

I can't find the original, but this is similar:

Who knew that it would have relevancy decades later? :)

 

 

 

Pastor Ron

I pray that someday that Winston would realize that he sounds like a complete moron when he acts like his BA Degree from the prestigious Harvard of the midwest (Bowling Green State University) means anything.  Seriously Winston I know that a number of people on these blogs have advanced degrees from far better schools than you do.  The only thing you prove is that your arrogance surpasses your ignorance.  Clearly you have a sin problem "cupcake" . Clearly, you are  not the sharpest crayon in the box (even in the mini box of 8). 

Return of Dragon II

I bet that is not the only picture of Weiners that Winston has!

6079 Smith W
In case you missed it -   Don't like ObamaCare forced on you  – Go Galt!   “Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money”:   “President Obama's solicitor general, defending the national health care law on Wednesday, told a federal appeals court that Americans who didn't like the individual mandate could always avoid it by choosing to earn less money.”  

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/06/obama-solicitor-general-if-you-dont-mandate-earn-less-money

 

Don'tcha love how these eastern ivy league educated geniuses with the great "credentials" that have been running this country into the ground for decades come up with such brilliant ideas as the supposed solutions to the problems that they originally helped to create?

Square that circle for me once again Mr. Obama!

 

 

 

 

 

6079 Smith W
Meanwhile, on the Obama planet "Bizarro": Twisted "reality” plagiarizes fiction -   “Obamacare Waiver Process Is Like Scene From Atlas Shrugged”:   http://blogs.forbes.com/beltway/2011/06/13/obamacare-waiver-process-is-like-scene-from-atlas-shrugged/    
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