BLOG: Time to defend Obama

Tom Jackson
Nov 19, 2010

 

I'm hardly an uncritical admirer of President Obama. But when he does something right, it seems only fair to defend him.

If you follow the news, you know by now that a suspected terrorist named Ahmed Ghailani was acquitted of most of the charges against him. The jury convicted him on one charge and may still serve a very long prison sentence.

The received wisdom from the daily papers claims the outcome as  "a setback for advocates of civilian trials," as this Washington Post piece puts it. Predictably, the Wall Street Journal calls  the outcome of the trial a "fiasco."

Perhaps the Washington Post and Wall Street Journal lament the fact that we haven't become a nation of kangaroo courts. Perhaps they prefer the court system of countries such as North Korea, where the observer may confidently predict the outcome of a show trial by knowing the preferences of the Dear Leader. It seems to me that a fair court system that protects the rights of the accused can be a point of pride for all Americans.

 

Comments

man4451

You FOOLS, ah hahahaha, If YOU do not care if YOU have to work till your 69, I sure don't mind. Go go go, you TEA PARTY'ers, go go go REPUBLICANS. ah hahahahahaha age 69 will be a good age for you to retire. While the Federal government retires after 25 years. ah hahahahahaha

Sam

Using Mr Jacksons logic, of one conviction and 273 not guilty findings for this defendant, the Cleveland Indians with 69 wins and  93 lost were a great team.    With the federal sentencing guidelines and their numerous exceptions there is no guarantee this defendant will be given a long sentence by the same judge who crippled the government's case by his rulings.

goofus

Is this a satire? I hope so. I prefer a military tribunal. One  charge of 273, this has to be a satire. Please be considerate to the many people killed by this loser.

samiam

Cancer discovered in one lymph node out of many still means cancer.  This one conviction is still a felony.  Just because he wasn't convicted doesn't mean he didn't do it.  Hopefully the judge will keep that in mind when sentencing this murderer.

Taxed Enough Already

 and you defend giving a TERRORIST the same rights as an American Citizen?  How utterly foolish.

buckeye15

To any of you whining about this verdict: get the real facts, not the ones Liz Cheney, Keep America Safe, and Fox News are telling you.  The facts are that Ahmed Ghailani will serve a minimum of 20 years in federal prison.  He could have been convicted of 224 murder charges if most of the evidence against him had not been collected by means of torture.

Since 911 federal courts have convicted over 400 people of terrorism charges, while military tribunals have convicted 5.  The real travesty about this whole case is that George Bush, Dick Cheney, John Yoo, etal have not been charged with torture.

VENERABLE VETERAN

Sincerely suggest you visit Bataan Memorial Elementary School in Port Clinton and speak with the students.  They are very knowledgeable about true torture.

Wes Poole

Taxed Enough Already:  So you think we're foolish because we don't support torture.  If you believe torture is a useful tool to obtaining justice, why should citizenship get  murderers a pass?    I take it you support tying the hands of law enforcement from catching violent criminals as long as they are American.             You are the foolish one!!    

6079 Smith W

Torture? Trust me, if I had reason to believe that you had knowledge that would potentially protect my family from death or harm, I'd go medieval on your buttocks and would want the authorities to do the same.

20 yrs. of hardworking taxpayer provided food, clothing, shelter and medical care doesn’t sound like much of a punishment for the crimes of this animal.

After the trial, the Chinese justice system would most likely put a single bullet into the back of his head. Perhaps the U.S. should outsource its prison system to China or Mexico and save some bucks.

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 @ Mr. Jackson:

To my knowledge for the most part, Obama and friends are staying out of the robo-signing foreclosure fiasco - that's about the only thing that I'd potentially compliment him for.

With what did your spouse threaten you to make you write this article? :)

Is she still a true believer?

thinktwice

I didn't read any of this article, just the headline, but either way...

I WILL NEVER DEFEND A PRESIDENT THAT INITIALLY WOULD NOT WEAR THE FLAG, NOT PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, AND RUN WITH AS MANY CLOWNS AS HE 

I WOULD ONLY DEFEND A PRESIDENT THAT IS WILLING TO SERVE AND DEFEND HIS COUNTRY.

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Mime Bloggling

 The jury heard hard evidence that Ghailani purchased the truck used in the bombing in Tanzania; obtained some of the oxygen and acetylene gas tanks used in the bombing; stored the electronic detonators used in the attack, one of which the FBI recovered in Ghailani's house along with TNT traces; and gave the actual suicide bomber the cell phone used in plotting the attack.

The jury did not hear evidence from a witness who sold Ghailani the TNT used in the attack because the judge barred it, claiming that Ghailani led federal prosecutors to the witness only after Ghailani was subject to coercive interrogation methods at Guantanamo. But even without this direct testimony, there was more than enough evidence to convict on the more serious charges.

How is it possible that Ghailani conspired to destroy the embassy but is not responsible for the deaths and destruction that occurred when the conspiracy was carried out? Only the jurors know how they managed to defy logic and common sense and ignore irrefutable evidence.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/columnists/2010/11/linda-chavez-ghailanis-trial-reveals-obamas-policy-failure#ixzz15pSHi0wE

brutus smith

 1st of all winnie you wouldn't do anything. You'd pay someone else to do it. 2nd, I would love to see that "Chinese judicial system used on CEO's who had knowledge and approved the poisoning of our air, water and ground. 

Gee, the guy is going to jail for a long time without using a kangaroo court so many of you want. The do as I say not as I do right wingnuts.

Massengill Wins...

Winston says "I'd go medieval on your buttocks"  Sounds like a Log Cabin Conservative to me.  Didn't even need to threaten him with torture to get that confession.

Taxpayer

Guilty on ONE charge??? Out of 273???  WOW!  I feel so safe now.  This entire administration is a FAILURE.  TOTAL FAILURE!!!  Don't like that??  Let's see, there was that free PASS for the New Blank Panther Party by Eric Holder (Gee, I WONDER why?) he promised (Oops!  Lots of PROMISES from this president) this guy would get the DEATH PENALTY (Said by BOTH 0bama and Holder) and what do we have?  A two-bit president BRAGGING how much he did??  Yeah, you crybaby liberals, socialists and freeloaders keep supporting all this FAILURE.  How is that WAR against the southern border states going?  WHO are we supposed to be fighting?  Oh, let's sue Arizona for protecting their borders.  No?  Not the 0bama way?  The southern border states need help and guess what?  NOTHING from our federal government.  Going on a trip over the holidays?  You better drive a Chevy Volt or else get hassled at the airport, compliments of the 0bama administration.  Hey UAW,  how about buying back all that 0bama motors stock that is on fire sale?  No?  Too much of your retirement and health care attached to it?  Come on, BUY AMERICAN, be PATRIOTIC, PROVE you are a loyal American, buy up that 0bama motors stock.  You can DO it!  Ha! Ha!  I have heard for decades about how WE must buy UAW to support YOU!  Well, now is your chance to put your foot into your own big mouths that spewed out open racisim.  Oops, forget about all that??  Ha! Ha!  Hey all you freaks that voted for Marcy Kaptur, you might want to "hope" and pray no tornado touches down near you.  Why?  Because hamas gets BILLIONS.  What do the VICTIM taxpayers get?  BUTKIS.  Support 0bama and his merry band of taxcheats, maoists, marxists, communists, convicted felons, terrorists, elitists, freaks, socialists, and racists.  Wow!  What a wonderful crew.  You can almost BRAG about how wonderful they are.  What a great resume enhancement.  You can all pat yourselves on the back telling everyone how wonderful you are just like all you UNIONS.  I will show my support in 2012.  Ha! Ha!   

Massengill Wins...

"Taxpayer" appears to be on the crazy train!  Wow what an angry rant.  Sounds like he needs to turn off the radio.

SamAdams

Civilian trials are entirely inappropropriate venues for accused terrorists. Not only is the civilian standard of evidence different, there are also any number of things in a trial involving national security matters that can't be presented in a public forum.

We have a president who is either dumb enough, naive enough, or needy enough ("Please like us! Oh, please, oh, please like us!) that he's inclined to kiss Islam's collective a$$, and we have an Attorney General who is on the record as being extraordinarily racially biased (had a white AG refused to deal with white men who intimidated voters, he would have been run out of town on a rail, and rightfully so).

I have no idea how hard prosecutors even tried in this trial, though I do know they weren't too happy that certain evidence and testimony was disallowed. The outcome of the trial is no victory for anyone, least of all national security. I won't blame the judge, the jury, or even the prosecution here who seem to have performed their jobs within the constraints of their job descriptions. The fault lies squarely at the feet of a president and administration who won't even acknowledge that there is a "war on terrorism" let alone that there might be some bad guys out there who are motivated by religion.

Meanwhile, while suspected terrorists get off, American nuns, toddlers, grandmothers, and the disabled get naked pictures taken of them at airports or have their persons violated just to get on an airplane. What's wrong with this picture, eh?

Wanna see a kangaroo trial, Mr. Jackson? Look no further than the one that just concluded.

eriemom

How much torture should be legal and how do you justify it in a civilian or military court. That is the issue. Not what the guy did. Not how many people died. How do you use any information obtained during torture? I might justify it, as the last administration did, to save lives. I would also understand that I would face the consequences of that decision. This is the consequence.

brutus smith

 Do you really believe what you write?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/pol...

DOJ probing claims of voter intimidation by Florida officers.

 

Who did nothing when Blacks were water cannoned and dogs used on them? How about when they were hung? And you are worried about this comical little group?

And he's not getting off. He is going to get a minimum 20 years. Good grief, quit watching hannity.

SamAdams

eriemom, whatever you and I think may be defined as torture, the legal advisors say that waterboarding doesn't qualify. As far as what I do personally believe, I think waterboarding is extreme and, in some cases, demonstrably necessary. If it doesn't cause permanent damage (such as techniques ranging from electrical shocks to starvation), I can't rule it out on any across the board standard. Do you really think that "enhanced interrogation techniques" should be ruled out in all cases? I suspect a single suitcase nuke will disabuse even the most liberal of do-gooders when it comes to that kind of thing! I just don't want to wait 'til one goes off. You?

brutus, yes, I read. And that the DOJ is investigating some allegations of voter intimidation (and it should be) in no way negates the fact it chose not to investigate a serious incident caught on video tape almost entirely because the bad guys were black. I don't frankly care what gender, color, or species the intimidators may be. They're all bad guys who should all be investigated and, when evidence warrants, prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Of course, that assumes the law will actually be imposed even-handedly, and that's what hasn't been happening under the auspices of the current AG. Hence my complaints. And one other thing: I don't watch Hannity. He's a little (okay, he's a lot) too tightly wound for my taste.

As far as the comments about history (water cannons and the like aimed), yes, I'm well aware of where the blame lies. Those who encouraged and perpetrated such things were just plain in the wrong. You apparently agree. Now tell me how such racism and government force then means that those ostensibly on the other side of the aisle now are excused?

 

brutus smith

 It took the Feds coming in and stopping that abuse. The "local homegrowns" didn't see anything wrong with it! And don't you have to have a victim in order to press on with charges of intimidation? Nobody was intimidated by these Black "dudes". They thought it was funny sam. Get over it already.

 

And the world, including the USA, has deemed water boarding torture! I can't believe anyone with 1/2 a brain wouldn't think drowning someone and bringing them back to life isn't torture.

Watch this video sam a and tell me what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4...

 

The United States Supreme Court in Sosa v. Alvarez-Machain, said that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights "does not of its own force impose obligations as a matter of international law."[181] However, the United States has a historical record of regarding water torture as a war crime, and has prosecuted as war criminals individuals for the use of such practices in the past.

In 1947, the United States prosecuted a Japanese civilian who had served in World War II as an interpreter for the Japanese military, Yukio Asano, for "Violation of the Laws and Customs of War," asserting that he "did unlawfully take and convert to his own use Red Cross packages and supplies intended for" prisoners, but, far worse, that he also "did willfully and unlawfully mistreat and torture" prisoners of war. Asano received a sentence of 15 years of hard labor.[115] The charges against Asano included "beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; water torture; burning using cigarettes; strapping on a stretcher head downward."[182] The specifications in the charges with regard to "water torture" consisted of "pouring water up [the] nostrils" of one prisoner, "forcing water into [the] mouths and noses" of two other prisoners, and "forcing water into [the] nose" of a fourth prisone

 

 

 

Taxed Enough Already

 Bill P you call waterboarding torture?  I suggest you talk to any POW they will explain what real torture is.  But then most that are captured by our enemies are tortured to death so I guess you can't talk to them.  You can talk to every single terrorist that was ever caught and so what you call tortured by us because after a little water in the face they get to live.  In the meantime waterboarding saved many more lives, perhaps even you or someone you know.  HMMMMM 

SamAdams

Brutus, you are apparently confused as to the difference between water boarding and so-called "water torture." In fact, you are apparently confused as to water boarding itself. They do NOT drown people and "bring them back to life." Water boarding creates the SENSATION of drowing, not ACTUAL drowning. No CPR, no mouth-to-mouth, no nada needed to "bring them back" because they don't go anywhere in the first place.

Is it pleasant? Not remotely so. Is it harmful? Well, it probably scares those who've been through it insofar as they don't particularly want to do it again. Is it necessary? Why don't you ask the people who DIDN'T die because it was done? Oh, wait, we don't know how many and who are alive, largely because this is a "war" without a specific target.

Or are you telling me that you'd always choose the bad guy over the un-numbered innocents, every time, if only it'll save the bad guy some discomfort? I won't hold my breath for any kind of a sensible answer. I freely admit I wouldn't be at all surprised that your deep and heart-felt compassion for men who've proved time and again to be enemy operatives outweighs whatever you feel for ordinary working Americans who are minding their own business right up until the moment the world explodes around them...

SamAdams

Brutus, I don't know who or what you've been listening to, but people did NOT think that the "New Black Panthers" and their night sticks were remotely funny (except, I don't doubt, for some other New Black Panthers). And that includes at least some of the people at the DOJ who actually wanted to do their jobs until the Attorney Bigot General stopped them. I ask you again: If John Ashcroft had been presented with an identical situation involving white men, and he declined to either investigate or prosecute, would your opinion be just the same? I doubt it... In fact, you'd be on here screaming "KKK!" louder than anybody, I'll bet! The worst part of it is that, despite the hyperbole, you wouldn't be wrong. On those same exact grounds, that's why you're wrong here.

brutus smith

 Who did they intimidate sam a? And ask the guys who do the torturing how reliable the information is. It's not, that's why they throw it out in courts. If it is so good why did they have to water board Khalid Sheikh Mohammed 183 times?

 

Does it make you feel superior saying that "I choose the bad guy over innocents". Why is it right wingnuts like yourself always think you are more patriotic? Have a debate without questioning someone's patriotism. 

 

And how many times do I have to answer you about the voter intimidation that was done in the Florida election by the Florida State Police under the direction of Bush's brother Jeb?

 

What year does history begin for you? Or if it's not happening now it never happened? I know you are not a history buff, but you have to have a starting place. And do you mean this John Ashcroft?

John Ashcroft was the attorney general of the United States from 2001 to 2005; both the Patriot Act and President Bush's warrantless domestic surveillance program were implemented during his tenure. This is the edited transcript of an interview conducted on March 12, 2007.

iamrevolutionary

 I have only glanced over these "comments"...So, if I repeat what someone else has said, I apologize....

Everyone that has come on here and claimed that TORTURE or WATER BOARDING (one in the same) has saved COUNTLESS lives.....Where is your PROOF??!!  Name exact situations, reports, documents, anything that can prove up your claims!  NOT just the party talking points!  NOT, so & so said this, or so& so determined that....REAL, HARDCORE, PROOF of what you claim...

Thank-you... 

Taxed Enough Already

 because of late, the feds received information from suspects they waterboarded and were able to thwart an attack.  It has been on the news over and over again.  The one case being the attack that was being plotted on LA after the 9/11 attacks in NY and DC.  

6079 Smith W
Iamrevolutionary writes:   “Where is your PROOF??!!”   "The enhanced interrogation techniques were absolutely essential in saving thousands of American lives," (VP Cheney)   http://articles.cnn.com/2009-08-30/politics/analysis.interrogations.report_1_waterboarding-abu-zubaydah-interrogation?_s=PM:POLITICS     Besides, you’re dealing with the CIA and black ops; even their annual budgets are secret.   Heck, some events from WW2 remain classified.   History may eventually reveal details, but perhaps not in your lifetime.  

BTW: Cong. Pelosi was briefed – her brain was just full of botox at the time and she doesn’t remember.  

If it's so important to ya, ask your pal Obie to spill the beans.

 

brutus smith

 Oh, well, excuuuuuuuse me. Darth Vader, I mean Dick Cheney said so. Gee, what was I thinking.

mikel

anyone who thinks beheading their captives isn't torture is crazy..fight fire with fire!  of course i think we should just behead them the same as they do to us.  could go something like this...akbed you have two options (as the "enforcer" stands over him with a sword) speak now or forever hold your peace.  once he fails to speak, chop.  we must make sure we do this in front of all of the other captives so they know we mean business!

Massengill Wins...

Winston is such a comedian.  The proof that torture works is....... Cheney said so!  So when Cheney said that "deficits don't matter" that makes that true as well?

 

 

brutus smith

 People who are willing to commit suicide are hardly afraid of dying. What terrifies you mikel, and it seems you are afraid of quite a bit, doesn't terrify other people.

6079 Smith W

 

@ Feminine douche smith:   So if a person had knowledge that could potentially save your family from death or harm you wouldn’t want any or all means used to learn what they knew?

 

eriemom

SamAdams

"I might justify it, as the last administration did, to save lives. I would also understand that I would face the consequences of that decision. This is the consequence."

Another consequence may find our own people undergoing these same procedures. As fas as legal council giving the go-ahead for this kind of procedure (I am using this term, instead of torture to avoid setting your hair on fire), you do remember the Ashcroft-in-the-hospital, while Bush officials were trying to get his signature thing--right?

Personally, I believe in accountablity. Justify your actions, and suffer the consequences. Mr. Smith: I would do whatever it took to save my family. Even if it the consequences were for me to sit in prison for the rest of my life.

As for the two black panther nut jobs goes: The diffence is that these guys were individuals acting like wachos. Brutus's examples are of government sponored voter intimidation.

eriemom

Mr. Smith: Brutus may have written an odd post. I have in the past, as well. You, on the other hand, have never done that--right? Leave it alone, and stop attacking the same post over, and over, and over, and over....

6079 Smith W
@ eriemom:   Why has the Obama Administration not appreciably changed The Patriot Act?   Why has the Obama Justice Dept. not filed charges against the perpetrators or those who ordered  "torture"?   Why did the Democratic Congress not hold political show trials?  

BTW: The slow boiling frog is a myth.

 

6079 Smith W
@  eriemom:   Chill sweetheart.    
brutus smith

winnie says "Why has the Obama Justice Dept. not filed charges against the perpetrators or those who ordered  "torture"?" You answered your own question with your next sentence. You remember, the Clinton show trials that cost taxpayers over a $100 million dollars? Bush and Cheney are basically confined to this country. They could be arrested at any given time in a foreign country. 

Eriemom, I occupy a lot of winnie's time. At least he basically leaves other people alone because he is so obsessed with me. I can't take anything he dishes out. To quote an equally mental giant as winnie, "Bring it on".

mikel

there is really only one thing that scares me brutus....obamass and his henchmen!

brutus smith

 

winnie, some more cheney quotes, 10) "Except for the occasional heart attack, I never felt better." –June 4, 2003 

9) "I had other priorities in the sixties than military service." –on his five draft deferments, April 5, 1989 

8) "There are a lot of lessons we want to learn out of this process in terms of what works. I think we are in fact on our way to getting on top of the whole Katrina exercise." --Sept. 10, 2005 7) "Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue but it is not a sufficient basis for a sound, comprehensive energy policy." –April 30, 2001 

6) "My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." --March 16, 2003 

5) "We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." --March 16, 2003 

4) "In Iraq, a ruthless dictator cultivated weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them. He gave support to terrorists, had an established relationship with al Qaeda, and his regime is no more." –Nov. 7, 2003 

3) "I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." -- on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005 

2) "Oh, yeah. He is. Big time.'' --agreeing with then-candidate George W. Bush, who was overheard at a campaign rally saying, "There's Adam Clymer, major league a**hole from The New York Times," Sept. 4, 2000 

1) "Go f*#$ yourself." --to Sen. Patrick Leahy, during an angry exchange on the Senate floor about profiteering by Halliburton, June 25, 2004

 

44846GWP

Winnie: Hard for you to convince people of anything when you compare Obama to Hitler and Stalin. Tool.

mikel

well tom let's see how the prez handles this!

"A suspected war criminal who allegedly played a key role in the slaughter of 40,000 civilians in Sri Lanka has landed a cushy job at the United Nations -- with full diplomatic immunity.

Human-rights groups are outraged that Shavendra Silva, 46, a top ex-military commander, was named Sri Lanka's deputy permanent UN representative in August, after which he moved to New York.

His arrival came a year after his troops defied international pleas and shelled a no-fire zone packed with women, children and elderly refugees, according to observers.........."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/war_criminal_gets_un_job_6ujUFMXYR2NhlrrxF3euZJ#ixzz15xhaWymU

Massengill Wins...

Only 40,000 civilians killed?  Bush / Cheney are responsible for the deaths of more than 100,000 and are also known to torture some of their enemies.  Silva is an amateur

mikel

so then, winston, just how many are fdr and johnson responsible for?  you just can't pick one administration when you are talking about war.  you must throw all of the names in or throw them all out. 

6079 Smith W

@ double naught agent brutus smith:

"I… turn down my intelligence level when I post on here." (brutus smith, July 3, 2010) 

Is this true bs?

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@ GWP (Grumpy White Person):

"We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends." (B. Obama)

Why isn't the Hitler/Stalin analogy appropriate for your Lord and Savior Obie?

When it wasn't up you continued to complain about it, so I put it back up for you and you're complaining again. Never satisfied are you? 

brutus smith

 winnie, I thought you would be at the airport today getting patted down.

6079 Smith W
Double naught spy brutus smith writes:   “I can't take anything he dishes out.”   Another fine example of your lower “intellligence level” huh? Keep 'em coming. LOL

 

goofus

OMG Bush and Cheney killed 100,000 people. In eight years that is roughly 40 a day. Wondering if they killed the people undercover of the night in the White House basement. Were the people merely shot or were they crudely beheaded like Daniel Pearl. You gotta admire how Bush and Cheney hid those 100,000 bodies.

Massengill Wins...

Goofus leave your basement and go to Iraq and see where they buried the dead and if you have time maybe you can go and see the maimed women and children of Bush's War.

goofus

Oh, now I see, Bush and Cheney went to Iraq to personally kill the 100,000. I know Cheney was pretty handy with a shotgun, who would have thunk. Gee, the latest victims  from Iraq I saw were the christians killed while attending church. At least they were killed by muslims and not part of the 100,000 killed by that dynamic duo. I don't live in a basement, thats Brutus. So with Bush and Cheney personally winning the war in Iraq, why should I go?

brutus smith

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goofus

How can you possibly call Bush and Cheney chickenhawks when according to Massengil, they personally killed 100,000 Iraqis. No need for me to go there with the dynamic duo on the job.

goofus

Can anybody tell me why a Clinton appointed judge wouldn't let evidence be presented because it might hurt the terrorists fifth ammendment's rights. Since when does a foreign born terrorist have the same rights as I do?

Man of the Republic

It seems to me that the rights of the accused, like all of the Constitutional rights, are guaranteed to "We the People." To define "the People" they are those that give their consent to the government. The ones that had entered into the social compact. Sorry to drop Locke on a forum like this. But to go on it seems that the Constitution was to set up government to protect the rights of the citizens. If this man was not a citizen then the Constitution was not meant for him. In fact I would argue that if he left the compact, or society, then its not for him either.

goofus
Fraud– State-Run Media Withholds Information: Neglects to Report That Ahmed Ghailani Delivered Explosives That Killed 2oo Innocents Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, November 18, 2010, 5:09 AM    

Former Gitmo terrorist Ahmed Ghailani was cleared Thursday in all but one charge in the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed over 200 innocents.

Ghailani confessed to delivering the explosives in the case. But, this was evidence was never allowed in court. The radical activist judge pretty much threw out the government’s case when he announced last month that he would not allow testimony from accomplice Hussein Abebe that Ghailani delivered the explosives. The information was discovered after Ghailani was interrogated at Gitmo so the judge threw it out. As a result of this judge’s action, Ghailani will serve only 20 years or less for the murder of over 200 people.

Of course, in their report yesterday on the verdict, the AP omitted the fact that Ghailani had confessed to delivering the explosives in the mass murder. They had to cover this up for Obama since this civilian trial was complete disaster for the administration. This is what you call media fraud.

kURT

Geez goofus with your circus type post you really need to start publishing your own tabloid.

You could garner all kinds of revenue from kooks all over America,

 

Bet winnie would work for you also.

HAHAHHA

goofus

Gee kURT, your point being? Just keep reveling in the glow of the savior Obama and you'll do fine. I'll give you some more if you like because you'll never experience this on msnbc or the other state run media.

goofus

November 18, 2010

Ex-Car Czar Pays up $6.2 million in Pay-For-Play Pension Scandal

Thomas Lifson

 

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Steven Rattner, Obama's former car czar, is forking over $6.2 million and is banned from associating with any investment advisor or broker-dealer for two years, in a settlement with the SEC, avoiding further court action over his role in a pay-to-play investment scheme over New York State pension funds.  Chad Bray and Michael Rothfeld of the WSJ explain:




Regulators have been probing allegations that members of former New York Comptroller Alan Hevesi's office and a former political advisor essentially sold access to New York's $125 billion Common Retirement Fund, one of the country's largest pension funds.


In its lawsuit, the SEC alleged that Mr. Rattner secured investments for his former firm, Quadrangle Group LLC, after he arranged for a firm to distribute a low-budget film that was produced by David Loglisci, the retirement fund's chief investment officer, and his brothers. Mr. Rattner, under pressure from former Hevesi political advisor Henry "Hank" Morris also allegedly arranged a $50,000 contribution to Mr. Hevesi's reelection campaign in 2006, the SEC said.


Of course Rattner denies all wrongdoing, and still faces a suit from the New York Attorney General (and governor-elect) Andrew Cuomo:


"While settling with the SEC begins the process of putting this matter behind me, I will not be bullied simply because the Attorney General's office prefers political considerations instead of a reasoned assessment of the facts," Mr. Rattner said in a statement. "This episode is the first time during 35 years in business that anyone has questioned my ethics or integrity-and I certainly did not violate the Martin Act. That's why I intend to clear my name by defending myself vigorously against this politically-motivated lawsuit."


Things could get very interesting for the man who, despite zero auto industry experience, ruled over our largest manufacturing sector:


In a radio interview on Thursday morning, Mr. Cuomo said Mr. Rattner had exercised his fifth amendment right not to answer questions 68 times under oath. Asked about whether Mr. Rattner could face criminal charges, the attorney general said, "On the question of criminality, it is an ongoing investigation."


Mr. Cuomo claims in part that Mr. Rattner paid more than $1 million in sham placement fees to Mr. Morris, who then used his influence to steer investments from the retirement fund to Quadrangle.



 

wbcfastcar

Nobody knows what will happen. Above article is best example for that. It is like selling Junk Cars to Junk Car Buyers and minting the money. but this will surely somethinh white money but above is pure example of black money.....:(

kURT

Goofus just state particulars on your DD-214.....if you have one.

Obama isn't my God either.....he is a person like any of us.

Truth is those who have been in 3rd world countries tend to hate the stench of self-serving people who only care about self or $$$.

That is the real reason America has over time become what she is today.

6079 Smith W

 

@ kURT:   So you’re proud that you were a drunk that played military man protecting German livestock from a defunct Soviet Union?      It’s sad that you’re so stuck in the past; a symptom of your alcoholism no doubt.  

What have you done lately sunshine other than playing a comical troll with your pal "double naught" on these blogs?

brutus smith

 What have you EVER done winnie other than insult people and be the butt end of Chung Lee's jokes?

6079 Smith W
"I… turn down my intelligence level when I post on here." (brutus smith, July 3, 2010)   Kinda says it all doesn’t it?
brutus smith

 Oh I forgot about you going to the airport to watch old ladies getting "patted down".

6079 Smith W

 

"No need to call names and insult.” (brutus smith, Nov. 8, 2010)

 

brutus smith

 Just repeating what you said.

goofus

Gee kURT, I really can't fathom what my DD214 has to do with anything, it is not germaine to the dicussion whatsoever. However in my daily ritual of my life, I really don't reflect on how the rest of the world will judge my decision. If I choose to have a shot of Blanton's Bourbon with my Cuesta Rey cigar, I don't think about Joe Slovnak in Bulgaria. If you must know about my service record, I was a wizzo in an F-4 Phantom with George Bush as my pilot in the Texas National Guard!

MiddleRight

Tom Jackson, you are screwed up for writing this article.  Terrorists do not deserve rights.  And what these papers were outraged over is that this is should be a military trial for an individual who wishes to attack this country, not a common civil trial.

I can't believe Brutus still posts to these blogs.  Brutus never says anything intelligent, doesn't support an argument, and always give up by insulting other people. 

I guess that's just a part of what makes him a good liberal.  When your ideas are unsupported, insult your detractors and distract people from actual issues.

 

brutus smith

 Far right wingnut, not middle right. Hi! Feeling bad about yourself today?

6079 Smith W

“Double naught spy” writes: 

“Far right wingnut, not middle right. Hi! Feeling bad about yourself today?”

“I can't take anything he dishes out.” (brutus smith, Nov. 21, 2010)

Keep 'em comin'! LOL

brutus smith

 Hahahahaaahahha! Caught ya! Now you are admitting using different screen names. Gotcha winnie! ROFLMAO! That was easy. Take that hook out. LOL!

goofus

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6079 Smith W
@ "Double naught":   Different user names? Nope - wrong as usual.   "He" is a pronoun used as a general reference. Didn't they cover that in Double Naught School Jethro?
44846GWP

Winnie, go home and gargle with old razor blades.

6079 Smith W
@ GWP (Grumpy White Person):   

"Feeling bad about yourself today?” (brutus smith, Nov. 24, 2010)

TaxpayJerK

Are all you unemployed CRYBABIES giving thanks for food stamps and the Victory Kitchen? Stop whining that there's only one job for every 100 unemployed -- you're just NOT TRYING HARD ENOUGH. No unemployment for you! Ha! Ha!

Want more? I'm giving thanks because we will soon eliminate taxes for the rich and maybe we'll spill more crumbs for you common saps to pick up. Of course, there will be a "consumption tax" on that. Ha! Ha!

kURT

@ winnie Smith 6079

Okay here is are a few items.

Remember Sitterly & his petion regarding certain taxes in Huron County?

A few of us collected signatures for him & attempted to attend commmisioners meetings, only to be told it was their right to hold executive priveledge if they deem it proper.

Got Terry Boose to publicly acknowledge he took farm handouts ($$).

How about the airport & commisioners?

Got things rolling there.

Don't forget  your post about the old foundry in Norwalk.; we were involved with the meeting & the Mayor @ the library.

A few local companies were interested in the location for development.

You do nothing but blow ...............

Some serve & do charitable work also you grandstander.

Be grateful you were born in America.

pdb

6079 Smith W
@ kURT:   Feeling a bit insecure are we? It’s potentially a condition stemming from your alcoholism.   Unlike you, I have no desire to be co-dependent and spout off my civic contributions in a pathetic attempt to seek your approval.    

Be grateful for your next beer.