BLOG: Time to defend Obama

Tom Jackson
Nov 19, 2010

I'm hardly an uncritical admirer of President Obama. But when he does something right, it seems only fair to defend him.

If you follow the news, you know by now that a suspected terrorist named Ahmed Ghailani was acquitted of most of the charges against him. The jury convicted him on one charge and may still serve a very long prison sentence.

The received wisdom from the daily papers claims the outcome as  "a setback for advocates of civilian trials," as this Washington Post piece puts it. Predictably, the Wall Street Journal calls  the outcome of the trial a "fiasco."

Perhaps the Washington Post and Wall Street Journal lament the fact that we haven't become a nation of kangaroo courts. Perhaps they prefer the court system of countries such as North Korea, where the observer may confidently predict the outcome of a show trial by knowing the preferences of the Dear Leader. It seems to me that a fair court system that protects the rights of the accused can be a point of pride for all Americans.

 

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brutus smith

 People who are willing to commit suicide are hardly afraid of dying. What terrifies you mikel, and it seems you are afraid of quite a bit, doesn't terrify other people.

6079 Smith W

 

@ Feminine douche smith:   So if a person had knowledge that could potentially save your family from death or harm you wouldn’t want any or all means used to learn what they knew?

 

eriemom

SamAdams

"I might justify it, as the last administration did, to save lives. I would also understand that I would face the consequences of that decision. This is the consequence."

Another consequence may find our own people undergoing these same procedures. As fas as legal council giving the go-ahead for this kind of procedure (I am using this term, instead of torture to avoid setting your hair on fire), you do remember the Ashcroft-in-the-hospital, while Bush officials were trying to get his signature thing--right?

Personally, I believe in accountablity. Justify your actions, and suffer the consequences. Mr. Smith: I would do whatever it took to save my family. Even if it the consequences were for me to sit in prison for the rest of my life.

As for the two black panther nut jobs goes: The diffence is that these guys were individuals acting like wachos. Brutus's examples are of government sponored voter intimidation.

eriemom

Mr. Smith: Brutus may have written an odd post. I have in the past, as well. You, on the other hand, have never done that--right? Leave it alone, and stop attacking the same post over, and over, and over, and over....

6079 Smith W
@ eriemom:   Why has the Obama Administration not appreciably changed The Patriot Act?   Why has the Obama Justice Dept. not filed charges against the perpetrators or those who ordered  "torture"?   Why did the Democratic Congress not hold political show trials?  

BTW: The slow boiling frog is a myth.

 

6079 Smith W
@  eriemom:   Chill sweetheart.    
brutus smith

winnie says "Why has the Obama Justice Dept. not filed charges against the perpetrators or those who ordered  "torture"?" You answered your own question with your next sentence. You remember, the Clinton show trials that cost taxpayers over a $100 million dollars? Bush and Cheney are basically confined to this country. They could be arrested at any given time in a foreign country. 

Eriemom, I occupy a lot of winnie's time. At least he basically leaves other people alone because he is so obsessed with me. I can't take anything he dishes out. To quote an equally mental giant as winnie, "Bring it on".

mikel

there is really only one thing that scares me brutus....obamass and his henchmen!

brutus smith

 

winnie, some more cheney quotes, 10) "Except for the occasional heart attack, I never felt better." –June 4, 2003 

9) "I had other priorities in the sixties than military service." –on his five draft deferments, April 5, 1989 

8) "There are a lot of lessons we want to learn out of this process in terms of what works. I think we are in fact on our way to getting on top of the whole Katrina exercise." --Sept. 10, 2005 7) "Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue but it is not a sufficient basis for a sound, comprehensive energy policy." –April 30, 2001 

6) "My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." --March 16, 2003 

5) "We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." --March 16, 2003 

4) "In Iraq, a ruthless dictator cultivated weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them. He gave support to terrorists, had an established relationship with al Qaeda, and his regime is no more." –Nov. 7, 2003 

3) "I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." -- on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005 

2) "Oh, yeah. He is. Big time.'' --agreeing with then-candidate George W. Bush, who was overheard at a campaign rally saying, "There's Adam Clymer, major league a**hole from The New York Times," Sept. 4, 2000 

1) "Go f*#$ yourself." --to Sen. Patrick Leahy, during an angry exchange on the Senate floor about profiteering by Halliburton, June 25, 2004

 

44846GWP

Winnie: Hard for you to convince people of anything when you compare Obama to Hitler and Stalin. Tool.

mikel

well tom let's see how the prez handles this!

"A suspected war criminal who allegedly played a key role in the slaughter of 40,000 civilians in Sri Lanka has landed a cushy job at the United Nations -- with full diplomatic immunity.

Human-rights groups are outraged that Shavendra Silva, 46, a top ex-military commander, was named Sri Lanka's deputy permanent UN representative in August, after which he moved to New York.

His arrival came a year after his troops defied international pleas and shelled a no-fire zone packed with women, children and elderly refugees, according to observers.........."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/war_criminal_gets_un_job_6ujUFMXYR2NhlrrxF3euZJ#ixzz15xhaWymU

Massengill Wins...

Only 40,000 civilians killed?  Bush / Cheney are responsible for the deaths of more than 100,000 and are also known to torture some of their enemies.  Silva is an amateur

mikel

so then, winston, just how many are fdr and johnson responsible for?  you just can't pick one administration when you are talking about war.  you must throw all of the names in or throw them all out. 

6079 Smith W

@ double naught agent brutus smith:

"I… turn down my intelligence level when I post on here." (brutus smith, July 3, 2010) 

Is this true bs?

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@ GWP (Grumpy White Person):

"We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends." (B. Obama)

Why isn't the Hitler/Stalin analogy appropriate for your Lord and Savior Obie?

When it wasn't up you continued to complain about it, so I put it back up for you and you're complaining again. Never satisfied are you? 

brutus smith

 winnie, I thought you would be at the airport today getting patted down.

6079 Smith W
Double naught spy brutus smith writes:   “I can't take anything he dishes out.”   Another fine example of your lower “intellligence level” huh? Keep 'em coming. LOL

 

goofus

OMG Bush and Cheney killed 100,000 people. In eight years that is roughly 40 a day. Wondering if they killed the people undercover of the night in the White House basement. Were the people merely shot or were they crudely beheaded like Daniel Pearl. You gotta admire how Bush and Cheney hid those 100,000 bodies.

Massengill Wins...

Goofus leave your basement and go to Iraq and see where they buried the dead and if you have time maybe you can go and see the maimed women and children of Bush's War.

goofus

Oh, now I see, Bush and Cheney went to Iraq to personally kill the 100,000. I know Cheney was pretty handy with a shotgun, who would have thunk. Gee, the latest victims  from Iraq I saw were the christians killed while attending church. At least they were killed by muslims and not part of the 100,000 killed by that dynamic duo. I don't live in a basement, thats Brutus. So with Bush and Cheney personally winning the war in Iraq, why should I go?

brutus smith

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goofus

How can you possibly call Bush and Cheney chickenhawks when according to Massengil, they personally killed 100,000 Iraqis. No need for me to go there with the dynamic duo on the job.

goofus

Can anybody tell me why a Clinton appointed judge wouldn't let evidence be presented because it might hurt the terrorists fifth ammendment's rights. Since when does a foreign born terrorist have the same rights as I do?

Man of the Republic

It seems to me that the rights of the accused, like all of the Constitutional rights, are guaranteed to "We the People." To define "the People" they are those that give their consent to the government. The ones that had entered into the social compact. Sorry to drop Locke on a forum like this. But to go on it seems that the Constitution was to set up government to protect the rights of the citizens. If this man was not a citizen then the Constitution was not meant for him. In fact I would argue that if he left the compact, or society, then its not for him either.

goofus
Fraud– State-Run Media Withholds Information: Neglects to Report That Ahmed Ghailani Delivered Explosives That Killed 2oo Innocents Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, November 18, 2010, 5:09 AM    

Former Gitmo terrorist Ahmed Ghailani was cleared Thursday in all but one charge in the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed over 200 innocents.

Ghailani confessed to delivering the explosives in the case. But, this was evidence was never allowed in court. The radical activist judge pretty much threw out the government’s case when he announced last month that he would not allow testimony from accomplice Hussein Abebe that Ghailani delivered the explosives. The information was discovered after Ghailani was interrogated at Gitmo so the judge threw it out. As a result of this judge’s action, Ghailani will serve only 20 years or less for the murder of over 200 people.

Of course, in their report yesterday on the verdict, the AP omitted the fact that Ghailani had confessed to delivering the explosives in the mass murder. They had to cover this up for Obama since this civilian trial was complete disaster for the administration. This is what you call media fraud.

kURT

Geez goofus with your circus type post you really need to start publishing your own tabloid.

You could garner all kinds of revenue from kooks all over America,

 

Bet winnie would work for you also.

HAHAHHA

goofus

Gee kURT, your point being? Just keep reveling in the glow of the savior Obama and you'll do fine. I'll give you some more if you like because you'll never experience this on msnbc or the other state run media.

goofus

November 18, 2010

Ex-Car Czar Pays up $6.2 million in Pay-For-Play Pension Scandal

Thomas Lifson

 

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Steven Rattner, Obama's former car czar, is forking over $6.2 million and is banned from associating with any investment advisor or broker-dealer for two years, in a settlement with the SEC, avoiding further court action over his role in a pay-to-play investment scheme over New York State pension funds.  Chad Bray and Michael Rothfeld of the WSJ explain:




Regulators have been probing allegations that members of former New York Comptroller Alan Hevesi's office and a former political advisor essentially sold access to New York's $125 billion Common Retirement Fund, one of the country's largest pension funds.


In its lawsuit, the SEC alleged that Mr. Rattner secured investments for his former firm, Quadrangle Group LLC, after he arranged for a firm to distribute a low-budget film that was produced by David Loglisci, the retirement fund's chief investment officer, and his brothers. Mr. Rattner, under pressure from former Hevesi political advisor Henry "Hank" Morris also allegedly arranged a $50,000 contribution to Mr. Hevesi's reelection campaign in 2006, the SEC said.


Of course Rattner denies all wrongdoing, and still faces a suit from the New York Attorney General (and governor-elect) Andrew Cuomo:


"While settling with the SEC begins the process of putting this matter behind me, I will not be bullied simply because the Attorney General's office prefers political considerations instead of a reasoned assessment of the facts," Mr. Rattner said in a statement. "This episode is the first time during 35 years in business that anyone has questioned my ethics or integrity-and I certainly did not violate the Martin Act. That's why I intend to clear my name by defending myself vigorously against this politically-motivated lawsuit."


Things could get very interesting for the man who, despite zero auto industry experience, ruled over our largest manufacturing sector:


In a radio interview on Thursday morning, Mr. Cuomo said Mr. Rattner had exercised his fifth amendment right not to answer questions 68 times under oath. Asked about whether Mr. Rattner could face criminal charges, the attorney general said, "On the question of criminality, it is an ongoing investigation."


Mr. Cuomo claims in part that Mr. Rattner paid more than $1 million in sham placement fees to Mr. Morris, who then used his influence to steer investments from the retirement fund to Quadrangle.



 

wbcfastcar

Nobody knows what will happen. Above article is best example for that. It is like selling Junk Cars to Junk Car Buyers and minting the money. but this will surely somethinh white money but above is pure example of black money.....:(

kURT

Goofus just state particulars on your DD-214.....if you have one.

Obama isn't my God either.....he is a person like any of us.

Truth is those who have been in 3rd world countries tend to hate the stench of self-serving people who only care about self or $$$.

That is the real reason America has over time become what she is today.

6079 Smith W

 

@ kURT:   So you’re proud that you were a drunk that played military man protecting German livestock from a defunct Soviet Union?      It’s sad that you’re so stuck in the past; a symptom of your alcoholism no doubt.  

What have you done lately sunshine other than playing a comical troll with your pal "double naught" on these blogs?

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