Racist is as racist does

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Jan 30, 2014
One day after the national day of remembrance and celebration dedicated to the life and sacrifice of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., the Arizona State University chapter of Tau Kappa Epsilon threw an MLK Day party in which the theme was dressing and acting black.

They didn’t dress up as Medgar Evers, Stokley Carmichael, Cornel West, Barack Obama or Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. They didn’t conduct themselves to reflect a race of people, who through peaceful protest and intellect, forced a racist nation to acknowledge their human right to dignity. To equality.

That would be an accurate depiction of the majority of black America.

The college students decided for that day they would combine all the negative stereotypes of black Americans into a derogatory caricature and act like ignoramuses in disdain of Dr. King.

The Tau Kappa Epsilon fraternity posted party photos on Instagram wearing oversized basketball jerseys, bandanas, sagging pants, flashing gang signs, drinking out of watermelons with bananas tucked into their waistlines. They were even wretched enough to accompany the party photos with hashtags such as #hood, #ihaveadream, and #blackoutformlk.

The ASU-TKE chapter was recently reinstated as a fraternity after being suspended for a debacle involving more than a dozen TKE frat members assaulting members of rival fraternity Delta Kappa Epsilon in November of 2012.

ASU responded to TKE’s MLK Black Party by immediately suspending the chapter’s operations and promising “additional action against the individuals involved” because at the time of the party TKE was on social probation and prohibited from having parties.

Three days later, ASU followed through with its vow to punish this wrong by abolishing the TKE chapter’s recognition as a fraternity on the ASU campus and is continuing to investigate individual TKE members and other students who attended the party.

The university is not alone in distancing themselves from the actions of a deplorable few. The Tau Kappa Epsilon International fraternity apologized for the actions of its chapter, stating: “TKE does not condone or support any actions by its members that would be defined as racist, discriminatory and/or offensive.

Social events with “party themes” that are defined as such have no place in our fraternity’s mission or purpose. It is with embarrassment and regret when a few individuals within our organization make decisions that do not align with the values and principles of TKE”

TKE, established in 1899, is one of the largest college social fraternities in the world, with chapters in almost 300 campuses in North America and more than 265,000 members, most of whom are not racist and a considerable number are black.

What might a national response be if a predominantly black college fraternity threw a JFK Day white party with members and attendants wearing bibbed overalls, drinking Natural Light, flaunting counterfeit crystal meth, and sporting temporary tattoo swastikas?

Would there be more of a public outcry if the hashtags read #redneck, #whiteoutforjfk and #asknotwhatyourcountrycandoforyou?

This could very well incite a renewal of racial tension in America or it can serve as a reminder that an ignorant minority of us still cling to racial sentiments toward men, women, everyone. Where the aftermath of this event takes us is totally up to us.

ASU and TKE both stood steadfast in disapproval of the chapter’s actions, ASU answering with quick permanent decisive action and TKE issuing a humble apology for its chapter clarifying in no way do the decisions of an ill-advised few reflect the understanding of the whole.

The ASU-TKE chapter does not represent anyone other than itself and the ignorance should disgrace the members who participated and those members alone. Much more can be said of the ASU-TKE chapter, but why? It has succeeded in making itself irrelevant. Our neighbors are still our neighbors and our friends are still our friends despite ethnicity and/or sexual preference. The majority of us do not share the ASU-TKE chapter’s view of our fellow man and we have to be aware of and secure in that fact. As a people we cannot allow hatred to sabotage peace and progress.

Comments

getit right be4...

Rapeist is as rapeist does.

mikeylikesit

hmmm..

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The Hero Zone

This does nothing to advance the discussion he brought up. His past is what it is, but is he out there continuing criminal behavior? Or does he have a steady job and is also given the opportunity to write and speak his mind like a normal human being? Do the courts or local police see him as a threat to society? No.

You are welcome to disagree with what he writes, but as a fellow poster here this kind of stuff is discouraging to read.

BobByJoe

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big_d

You know, he has paid his debt to society, he deserves the same consideration as any one else. You may or may not agree with him, but his column is concise and well written.

Nemesis

"This does nothing to advance the discussion he brought up."

Actually, it does a lot.

Damon makes statistical claims about what represents the majority of a demographic that it's doubtful he can substantiate. Stereotypes do not spring ex nihilo; the are reflective of collectively observed statistical correlations. Racism lies not in acknowledging those correlations, but in assigning causality to them. Stereotypes are the fault of those whose conduct inspires them, and in that respect, Damon bears as much responsibility as this fraternity does for perpetuating such negative stereotypes.

If you don't like a stereotype that reflects badly upon you, your beef is with those with whom you share characteristics whose conduct embodies that stereotype. That's why I have such a problem with commenters like ThinkAgain, WiredMama, et al who have advocated some of the same things I support, but done so with such a lack of intelligence as to tarnish everyone else who supports those causes.

Damon's columns have so far have been pretty strong reinforcement of those same stereotypes. He's defended criminal behavior, condemned the prosecution of same, and attacked the police. I happen to agree with his last column about the abuse of power by law enforcement, but he should leave that sort of topic to someone whose past doesn't imply a huge conflict of interest and damage the credibility of the message.

The strongest evidence that Damon has truly changed would be his acknowledgement that baggage he carries as a result of his past choices will taint his message on topics relating to his past misadventures. The strongest evidence against his having changed is that he only writes about topics that imply he's carrying a grudge for society's response to his poor choices. He could do wonders for his credibility by writing a column that doesn't boil down to a racial grievance or a complaint about "the man."

Another problem is Damon's applause for ASU, a state actor, applying sanctions against the fraternity for exercising their free speech rights. The right to engage in expressive conduct that the majority finds offensive is what made it possible for MLK to lead a peaceful campaign in an area where the majority opposed his cause. That party was a form of speech - nasty, crass, morally repugnant speech, but speech nonetheless. The First Amendment doesn't just protect speech we like.

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The Hero Zone

I appreciate your response.

Babo

Your comments make too much sense and will not be appreciated by most herein. In any event, thank you to Hero Zone and your thought provoking comments.

thinkagain

Your smug and pretentious accusations aside, I totally understand why non-Christians, like yourself, do not like Christians. After all, the Apostles were arrested, jailed, flogged and killed, Stephen was stoned to death, Paul was stoned, flogged, and jailed.

To tolerate something, you have to in a sense be okay with it. The God I serve in fact hates sin. Stand by, watch and do nothing as the great unwashed majority of people choose the broad road that leads to death, but don’t fool yourself that you “support” anything I believe in.

To do and say nothing is disobedience to Jesus our Lord and Master, and so it is not a tenable option for true Christians.

Your worldly knowledge of religion, of love, of government is meaningless in God’s eyes. The world by all its combined knowledge knows not God and is closed minded to spiritual matters.

The Gospel message and Gospel messengers have always been rejected by so called “intellectuals”.

Do you think Christ never offended anyone? Crowds of people lined up to have him crucified. Yet Christ and the Apostles spoke the truth to a world that did not want to hear the truth about their sins.

DGMutley

"Damon makes statistical claims about what represents the majority of a demographic that it's doubtful he can substantiate. Stereotypes do not spring ex nihilo; the are reflective of collectively observed statistical correlations. Racism lies not in acknowledging those correlations, but in assigning causality to them. Stereotypes are the fault of those whose conduct inspires them, and in that respect, Damon bears as much responsibility as this fraternity does for perpetuating such negative stereotypes.

If you don't like a stereotype that reflects badly upon you, your beef is with those with whom you share characteristics whose conduct embodies that stereotype. That's why I have such a problem with commenters like ThinkAgain, WiredMama, et al who have advocated some of the same things I support, but done so with such a lack of intelligence as to tarnish everyone else who supports those causes.

Damon's columns have so far have been pretty strong reinforcement of those same stereotypes. He's defended criminal behavior, condemned the prosecution of same, and attacked the police. I happen to agree with his last column about the abuse of power by law enforcement, but he should leave that sort of topic to someone whose past doesn't imply a huge conflict of interest and damage the credibility of the message.

The strongest evidence that Damon has truly changed would be his acknowledgement that baggage he carries as a result of his past choices will taint his message on topics relating to his past misadventures. The strongest evidence against his having changed is that he only writes about topics that imply he's carrying a grudge for society's response to his poor choices. He could do wonders for his credibility by writing a column that doesn't boil down to a racial grievance or a complaint about "the man."

Another problem is Damon's applause for ASU, a state actor, applying sanctions against the fraternity for exercising their free speech rights. The right to engage in expressive conduct that the majority finds offensive is what made it possible for MLK to lead a peaceful campaign in an area where the majority opposed his cause. That party was a form of speech - nasty, crass, morally repugnant speech, but speech nonetheless. The First Amendment doesn't just protect speech we like." <<< Nemesis

Nemesis,

None of your comment makes any sense. It's gobbledygook or "Nemesis-ese". Or, more to the point... racist is as racist does (says).

Stop It

You copying and pasting Nem's whole post and saying you don't get it, says it all.

DGMutley

Stop It,

And, you are saying what? I thought I made it pretty clear.

deertracker

There's no e in rapist!

BabyMomma

You would know Rapy McRaperson

BobByJoe

Rape is of the vilest of evils, a man forcibly entering into another person’s body and then leaving his calling card; forcing his prey and their family great physical, emotional and mental harm. I question the decision of this paper printing a felons article that mock the term ‘human rights’. Those concerned about misspelled words over the moral implications involved is incomprehensible. Seems society has become totally distorted in both their logic and moral views.

BabyMomma

The author is a felon?

BobByJoe

http://www.homefacts.com/offende...

Is this now the same person who writes for the Register?

BabyMomma

Nice, a sexual predator felon too! Wow. Looks like him. Same name, Sandusky address, sounds about right.

BabyMomma

Does anyone at the Register have comment on the sexual predator that is stirring the pot once again?

starryeyes83

They don't care, look up his first column.

DGMutley

getit right be4 print,

I have to give a hat's off to Damon Newell. He's put his life back together from the worst of adversity. Intestinal fortitude.

From the Grave

"What might a national response be if a predominantly black college fraternity threw a JFK Day white party with members and attendants wearing bibbed overalls, drinking Natural Light, flaunting counterfeit crystal meth, and sporting temporary tattoo swastikas?"
Dude, Natural Light sucks.

KnuckleDragger

Well, you notice there is no mention of this little incident at the University of Michigan. http://americanoverlook.com/vide...

Pterocarya frax...

Or if you want the real story, read this link:

http://www.freep.com/article/201...

Or if you want proof that anyone that insinuates that racism is dead is full of crap:

http://www.chimpout.com/forum/sh...

deertracker

GI Joe only reads things that promotes his personal agenda of hating Blacks! SMDH!

KnuckleDragger

Sorry deerturd, I don't hate all blacks just ignorant entitled ones, the same can be said for the above ignorant white kids. If the shoe fits, wear it there buddy.

deertracker

Sorry, it doesn't fit. Try elsewhere!

Pterocarya frax...

Sorry KnuckleDragger, but posting racist stories from racist websites without fact checking them pretty much proves you are a racist.

Now you can go back to reading chimpout.com along with huronguy.

From the Grave

Though I think it's important to continue to deal with these issues, let's not forget that our Government is busy screwing us all EQUALLY.

JMOP

"They didn’t dress up as Medgar Evers, Stokley Carmichael, Cornel West, Barack Obama or Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. They didn’t conduct themselves to reflect a race of people, who through peaceful protest and intellect, forced a racist nation to acknowledge their human right to dignity. To equality.

That would be an accurate depiction of the majority of black America."

No mention of Allen West, Booker T. Washington, Dr. Benjamin Carson, or Herman Cain?

Numerous times I've heard the black youth refer to "proper" manners of their race as Oreo's. In my day it meant a mix race, now it means they are "acting" white.

deertracker

What day was that? Oreo always meant a black person acting white. Allen West is definitely not an accurate depiction of Black America!

KnuckleDragger

Why? Because he is successful? As long as that is how mainstream black society treats successful blacks, you will always be stereotyped as ghetto thugs.

Simple Enough II

Oh My...You used the new N word "Thug".....Never thought of it that way, i always thought of a Thug as "A cutthroat or ruffian; a hoodlum.", not "homo thug; Definitions include: a homosexual who portrays himself as a thug, for a variety of possible reasons", but maybe that is the problem, they are having an identity crisis?

deertracker

No, it has nothing to do with his supposed success. He could not even fool the voters. His derogatory remarks cost him BIG TIME! You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, as usual. What exactly is a ghetto thug?

BabyMomma

Your mom

observer

What is a ghetto thug? Do you have a mirror?

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The Hero Zone

"Would there be more of a public outcry if the hashtags read #redneck, #whiteoutforjfk and #asknotwhatyourcountrycandoforyou?"

Speaking as a fat, white guy: I don't care. I'd look and laugh at it because it is ignorant and not reflective of today's morals and values. I cracked up watching Dave Chapelle dress up as a "white guy" to see what "our" world was like. I was wiping tears from my eyes when is South Park a Chinese character impersonated a white guy saying "I THINK I'LL USE MY CREDIT CARD - HAH HAH HAH!"

Plus, college kids do idiotic things all the time. What that fraternity did was dumb but the amount of what we kids call "butthurt" flows at unprecidented levels. It wasn't sponsored by the college, it wasn't lauded by the entire student population. It was a poor choice in an isolated part of the community there at large.

In my world this has been made manifest recently with the game Magic: the Gathering. A fictional character in this fictional game has a fictional name that sounds like a Maori word. A member of that ethnic community wrote to Wizards of the Coast saying he was offended and in response Wizards changed the character's name.

This set off a firestorm conversation on the popular site 4chan, and in particular it's Traditional Games (/tg/) board. The official response from Wizards is here:

http://dougbeyermtg.tumblr.com/p...

Now, the base of the argument is that the vast majority of people either didn't know or didn't have any ill intent with the name. However in the wake of this lashing out, the point was made that now since you can't talk about Maori culture without being browbeaten over things who wants to look into it further from the gateway that was otherwise provided? The lashing out now is a mockery of a culture that otherwise could have had positive attention drawn to it.

To be fair, other claimed Maori were in the thread distancing themselves from this complainer. That's very understandable, too. I don't really enjoy being associated with some of the commentators here let alone ACTUAL WHITE RACISTS who exist yet I am somehow as guilty as they are of being as I am not in the minds of some. But...so what? I am who I am and I will prove that I am not what a severe minority of the population may think of me.

Responses of this like were made regarding the card game fiasco:

I'm an Irish Catholic and I take offense to the card Mass Hysteria. Since Mass is a sacred time of gathering and talking to God and the root of hysteria is Greek for womens' reproductive issues I would ask that Wizards shows a bit more sensitivity. I long for a world I can live in when my faith isn't criticized by outsider majorities.

-AND-

I'm of Iranian descent and I am offended by the card Polis Crusher. Polis has a root in my language for culture. Congrats, Wizards, you made a card called "Culture Crusher" that targets me as an ethnic minority and illustrates your distaste for my ancestry.

Despite the epic diversity of thought represented on /tg/ many felt that this was a non-issue and an overreaction to something that may at worst have been a completely unintended "oops". As for the college kids dressing up? It's dumb, but guess what? I would wager that 99% of the people who read about that incident rolled their eyes despite the color of skin framing them and said "wow, that's dumb, but with reactions from the black community like this why should I bother trying to understand it?".

The echoing opinion on /tg/ was: Just because you are [a person is] offended doesn't make you [him/her] right.

Mr. Newell I say with joy that you will find an overwhelming majority of people agree with what happened was stupid, but it was isolated and in the grand scheme of everything else right and wrong with our country, economy, and personal lives a non-issue. That is good news. People will always be dumb and as you state it is an ignorant minority only.

But just as important is the reaction to these dumb people as more harm than good can come from the response than the initial infraction.

Lissa4u

"Mr. Newell I say with joy that you will find an overwhelming majority of people agree with what happened was stupid, but it was isolated and in the grand scheme of everything else right and wrong with our country, economy, and personal lives a non-issue. That is good news. People will always be dumb and as you state it is an ignorant minority only.

But just as important is the reaction to these dumb people as more harm than good can come from the response than the initial infraction."

Very well put, Hero Zone.

Mr. Newell, I think you've written this article just to cause controversy. Like Hero Zone stated, it was isolated and the people involved were punished. That should be the end to it. In my opinion, you yourself come across as racist by trying to stir up trouble.

In response to your question, if the party was about JFK, my response would be the same.

reggiewhite92

"I think you've written this article just to cause controversy"....

That's a HORRENDOUS accusation. You could make that elementary, shortsighted claim about any editorial.

And why does everyone think they can tell blacks how they should feel about certain issues? OBVIOUSLY, there is much more sensitivity in black culture than in white. It has a little something to do with being enslaved for centuries, the backlash of that, and decades upon decades of racism that ensued and still exist to a lesser degree today.

santown419

Thank you Reggie!

deertracker

Great comment Reggie!

Lissa4u

I'm not backing off MY OPINION. I feel he wrote the article to cause controversy. He could have written about anything, but yet he chose to write about an isolated insident that was dealt with immediately with punishment handed out to the offenders.

Reggie--You stated that "there is much more sensitivity in black culture than white about blacks being enslaved for centuries and the backlash of that." Slavery was abolished more than 100 years ago. Why should I me made to feel guilty about it? I didn't enslave anyone. If the black culture wants to end racism, it would be a step in the right direction if they didn't bring up slavery and oppresion from the white race all the time. For heaven sakes; the white race obliterated the American Indians until they were forced onto reservations. Thousands were SLAUGHTERED (including women and children) for their lands. You certainly don't hear them yelling racism, racism at every chance they get.

I'm done trying to defend my opinion. It's mine and I'm sticking to it.

And so it's clear to EVERYONE: First, I am not racist to anyone who is not racist to me first. I don't judge people by the color of their skin, but by how they treat others.

Second, I think that the party the fraternity had was a dumb move on their part. I don't know what the organizers were thinking when they decided on their "theme", but I do know the punishment they got was deserved.

DGMutley

Lissa4u,

You didn't read to the end. "The majority of us do not share the ASU-TKE chapter’s view of our fellow man and we have to be aware of and secure in that fact. As a people we cannot allow hatred to sabotage peace and progress."

Nemesis

"Mr. Newell, I think you've written this article just to cause controversy."

Well, DUH!!! That's just doing his job. This IS the Sandusky Register, after all.

SKULLNBONES

Catholics are despicable. Terrible values. Very destructive to families with gay members. Wierd beliefs that harm people. That's why 12 % of Americans are former catholics.

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The Hero Zone

The point that reply was trying to make was to showthat anyone can find something, even unintentional, to raise sisome kind of point. It was sarcasm used to illustrate an unnecessary reaction to an inconsequential event such as a fictional card depicting a riot of people being named "mass hysteria" when it had nothing to do with religion. Yet a "connection" was made.

The response you provided backs up the point that often the reaction to a real/perceived sleight makes a problem out of a non-issue. After all, if far-reaching presumptions or ire-filled retorts are what people should expect when approaching Catholics is it even "worth the trouble"?

The kid on the playground can't pine for friends if he keeps his ball from the others after snapping at them for not being able to use it the only way he feels is necessary.

Anyway your opinion is your own regarding that religion. They all have hardliners, browbeaters, and shrews. But I'll happily continue to serve and be friends with the Catholics I know who aren't as you described and patronize my business filled with content that I am sure in some way violates scripture... Such as my copies of Mass Hysteria.

deertracker

I enjoy your posts Hero Zone but I do wish they were a bit more concise.
I disagree that the response was unnecessary and the event was inconsequential. Why is it when Blacks speak out against offensive actions by others it is deemed unnecessary or stirring up controversy? You have to admit that if a group of Blacks had done this to offend Jews on an important day for them there would be major outrage. Whites were outraged just recently when some Japanese did a whiteface skit. I think it is fine to honor anyone you respect and admire any way you choose as long as it is respectful. This was not the case here. MLK did not only fight for Blacks. I really think that is forgotten.

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The Hero Zone

I'm both white and a Japanophile yet I didn't hear about the incident you mention. Even presuming it did happen...so what? I care not. My butt doth not hurt at their antics. Was the sole reason for this incident to incite racial insensitivity? Or was it for one of their wacky entertainment or game shows? No matter the reason, it was one small group in your example. I am neither outraged nor have I lost my fascination with their culture, language, geography, religions, etc.

If some group of "white people" (can there be any more vanilla term? pun intended) is up in arms about a group of Japanese then they must not have a lot of other things going on in their lives. Must be nice. I wish I had the time and energy to complain about ultimately-irrelevant things. First-world problems all the way. 'MURRICA!

Also I thank you both for your compliment about my posts and the fact that despite their length you still read them. What is keeping me from being concise is that if I don't include examples, stories, mnemonic devices, or other things my points would be lost, misconstrued, or deemed irrelevant due to their lack of content. So I take happiness in the journey, not the destination and want as many people to travel with me as possible.

Storytelling, after all, is what differentiates us from all the other animals and is what binds all cultures to a common thread.

Here is something for you to watch, if you care to do so. I have no way to know if it will have you cracking up, fuming, or "meh". But I'll provide the link below for the six-minute video. After that I'll provide the context for it so you can choose to read it before or after watching the video (presuming you do at all). I will say that it is NSFW in the sense that people who aren't expecting this kind of comedy presentation or who lack the context for the video may be taken aback off the cuff:

Tokyo Breakfast
http://youtu.be/MgjwjaBJ5Do

Context below...

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Tom Kuntz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom...
Short films
In 2000, Kuntz (and Maguire) released the 6-minute short film Tokyo Breakfast. The spoof sitcom is a parody of the Japanese perception of day-to-day doings of an American family, with an emphasis on the skewed emulation of a perceived black culture. Characters use the term "nigga" with unusual frequency and familiarity. The film appeared in numerous film festivals and also spread as an Internet phenomenon.

coasterfan

I agree, Skullnbones. As a former Catholic, I'm one of the 12%. All manner of immoral behavior is done (and excused) on behalf of religion - across the world, and Catholicism is certainly Poster Child for that in the Western Hemisphere. And why should we be surprised that they treat their fellow man poorly, when all they have to do is ask forgiveness, certain that God will forgive them? It's ok to discriminate, because the Bible says it's ok.

It's sobering to realize that, in many cases, the more religious a person is, the less empathy they show towards others. I don't think Jesus would give a stamp of approval to most modern-day Christians.

YouMustBeJoking

"wearing oversized basketball jerseys, bandanas, sagging pants, flashing gang signs". Since when is this racist? The person or persons that see this and thinks its racist, are the true racist. I see white and black people dressing and acting like this on a daily basis. Its not called racism its called lack of intelligence and lack of respect for themselves and lack of respect for others. Why do we have to see these punk thugs walking around with their pants hanging around their knees? or in other words, they're ignorant.

reggiewhite92

By having a "black party" and dressing like that, they're insinuating that all blacks dress like that and are seemingly unintelligent. You get this right? Or are you having trouble with the concept?

You also act like blacks are the only ones to dress like G's

deertracker

Just like the point Damon made, all Blacks DO NOT ACT OR DRESS THAT WAY. I see so many positive Blacks on a daily basis but their contribution to society is ignored.

BabyMomma

You an electrician?

Simple Enough II

+1, I got it!

BabyMomma

Few will

Pterocarya frax...

I got it...your name is Chuck Hoefert. You aren't funny as a columnist or a commenter.

BabyMomma

Busted! Lmao

KnuckleDragger

Unless they are a successful, wealthy black man, then they are an uncle tom, right deerturd? Don't try to escape it considering your above comment concerning Allen West. I'm sure you feel the same way about Tim Scott and Herman Cain. It is amazing that ignorant blacks like you are still beholden to people who have done more to harm and keep blacks in the ghetto and abject poverty than any group in history. Really SMDH.

deertracker

You couldn't be more wrong! I did not call West an Uncle Tom so don't put words in my mouth. What has any of the guys you mentioned done to help the Black community? I am not ignorant or beholdened to anyone and I am definitely not ghetto. Just because you identify with a Black man that degrades his own people does not mean all other Blacks are bad or ghetto. You need to stick with what you know and stop making generalizations about Blacks. You are a white boy! Got it! Stay in your lane please!

bigsexy

What is Black Entertainment Television (BET), BlackStarz, and the new one I just saw last week, the Black Shopping Network.

How about HBCU? (Historically Black College and Universities)

Are these forms of racism Mr. Newell?

If it was WET, WhiteStarz, or the White Shopping Network, I would guarantee the race baiter in chief, good ol' Al and the Reverend would be up in arms!

Is this like the Wayans Brothers dressing up as white girls, acting like white girls, dressing like white girls, talking and laughing like white girls, while making a full feature motion picture? No that would be different, right?

santown419

There is no black starz. You went out of your way to look up the black shopping network which sells for one thing black haircare product's. Isn't that ironic. And as far as Hbcu colleges look them up since you love to look up things for ammunition and see that there is a nice percentage of whites. Its funny how you bring up al who has done more for whites than race cowards on here have done. And as far as race baiter in cheif you false news talking point can't think for yourself cowards kill me.

KnuckleDragger

Wrong, the channel is actually called Starz in Black, I have it on Time Warner. Good channel, but must of my favorite actors are black.

deertracker

BET is white owned. What is so wrong with Blacks wanting to see programs that interest them and identifies with Black culture? There are some great actors, actresses, and entertainers of all colors.

KnuckleDragger

Nothing is wrong with it, and I agree, my top 3 favorite actors are all black.

coasterfan

BigSexy: I don't condone the dumb movies the Wayans brothers make - they are equally racially insensitive as the white Arizona kids who had a Black Party. But when the Wayans dress up in whiteface, it's not going to be seen the same way as when white kids have a racially-tinged Black Party. And here's why: there is no history of whites having black people as slaves in America for 300 years. Also, blacks continue to bear the brunt of racism today, and they are simply responding the same way you and I would if we were in their shoes.

You're missing another key, important point. The TV networks you mentioned are marketed towards one audience - they don't actively seek to attack, exclude or lampoon people not in that target audience (i.e. whites). I'm free to watch BET and the others if I wish. BET is no more racist than Tennis Channel is to people who don't like to watch tennis. And that is entirely different from holding a party that actively seeks to make fun of another racial group. Of course, since you're apparently a card-carrying white supremacist, I wouldn't expect you to notice the difference.

deertracker

@coaster
Agreed!

reggiewhite92

The comments on this board and the comments on the councilman's stories are appalling. They display a ubiquitous racial undertone that exists in this area of the country.

It also exemplified people's cowardice. There is no way that "you must be.." or "lissa" would make these comments in public in front of a black person. You people hide behind your screens, you should be embarrassed.

coasterfan

I agree, Reggie. Why is it that racist people are the last to realize just how racist they are?

deertracker

Agreed!

Stonybaby

Great article. The Register takes aim at the cops while giving a wonderful convicted felon his 15 minute's of fame. The big racist in this town is code named THE EDITOR.
Quality news print right here in Sandusky.

vicariouslyAlive

Errrr.... ummm... stereotypes are based off of some sort of reality... they might not have been dressing like the prominent members of black history, but they were dressing in the fashion design of population black culture today... I guess the writer doesn't watch much MTV or bet... I think little Wayne, two chains and you jeezy would take offence by the writers comments against their chosen garb...

You are absolutely correct, racist is as racist does, but let's not forget that all races are capable of racisim. For instance, I think its racist when scholarships are granted to and only to people of specific ethnic backgrounds.... Asians, native Americans and African american restricted scholarships is just as racist and exclusionary any anything I've ever heard of... justgonna throw that one out there.

There you go again

Obama "If I had a son he'd look like......these kids."
Hey, Obama said it, not me.

Contango

Re: "ASU followed through with its vow to punish this wrong by abolishing the TKE chapter’s recognition as a fraternity on the ASU campus,"

"You have not converted a man because you have silenced him."

- John Morley

And the discussion goes from here where?

deertracker

Who has been silenced?

Nemesis

Contango, your comment went over Deerie's head. You can't expect him to follow your subtlety.

KURTje

Chris Newsome & Channon Christian forgotten Damon? That too was racist & wrong. Hate knows no colour.

donutshopguy

Is having an specific dance for blacks at Sandusky High a form of racism?

Contango

Yes.

FYI:

Spoke with a nationlized Afrikaner the other day that praised and had voted for Nelson Mandela.

Yet in order to get away from South Africa’s form of 'affirmative action', he moved to the U.S. so that his son & daughter could attend medical school.

All his siblings have also left and live in Australia, NZ & Namibia.

deertracker

No! Whites are not excluded!

donutshopguy

And blacks belong to this fraternity so this event wasn't racist. Just using the same logic.

deertracker

That's not logic, it is an attempt to justify inappropriate behavior.

starryeyes83

Sort of like the one- sided logic to excuse the behavior of those arrested at those apartments ( don't recall the name ) several months ago?

Hmmm....

donutshopguy

Not justifying the behavior. Just confirming your double standard of racism that influences your comments.

BabyMomma

I would say those kids need their a$$e$ kicked. I would also like to say that the MAJORITY of the blacks I see around town, look a lot more like Little Wayne than Obama! I see more underwear walking through the mall than a Calvin Klein underwear model does at a underwear shoot. The bananas and watermelon is just stupid, just another absurd stereotype. I'm white as snow and I LOVE watermelon! I also have a slight addiction to Lee's Famous Recipe.

deertracker

Where do you hang out? I have no problem with Lil Wayne or his appearance. You may want to learn about him as a man.

BabyMomma

Read the article Tard. They didn’t dress up as Medgar Evers, Stokley Carmichael, Cornel West, Barack Obama or Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. That would be an accurate depiction of the MAJORITY of black America. Where did I say I had a problem with Little Wayne? I happen to like Little Wayne's music, i don't like seeing guys a$$e$ every time I turn around! Black a$$, white a$$, brown a$$, yellow a$$, if it has balls under it, I don't wanna see it!

deertracker

Your statement about most BLACKS looking more like Lil Wayne is a lie. I don't even listen to his music but it is not uncommon for young people to copy someone they admire. It is very easy to ignore things you don't want to see.

rbenn

lil wayne? Isnt that the same moron that wiped his butt with the American flag? Oh yeah hes a real good example.lol

deertracker

The flag represents different things to different people and he did not do what you claim.

BabyMomma

He kissed a dude on stage, and wears chick clothes. You're dam right it does

deertracker

You sound like a homophobe!

BabyMomma

You sound like a PU$$Y

Simple Enough II

No, if I recall he either was jumping on it or walking on it.

starryeyes83

A MAN doesn't go around with his pants on the ground showing the prison culture underwear code.

deertracker

Are you a man?

starryeyes83

No, and apparently you aren't, either.

grumpy

That's gonna leave a mark.

Stop It

lol...

Bubba's Buddy

The largest Racist organization in America is spelled NAACP

wally44824

BEST COMMENT EVER, Bubba!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BabyMomma

I agree with that too. I like what they stand for, but they have a hidden agenda and they could give a crap less about EQUAL. They don't practice what they preach.

deertracker

Have you ever been to a NAACP meeting? Ignorance breeds fear. Get educated!

wally44824

Deertracker, maybe you should educate yourself with these 3 ignorant, racist, IDIOTS: Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Rev. Sanders.

BabyMomma

Don't forget Martin Lawrence, Chris Rock, Kanye West, and 90% of all black rappers

SamAdams

Contango is right: "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." - John Morley. And while it's not (generally) illegal to do silly or stupid things (like the fraternities discussed here), the typical demands for censure most assuredly DO chill free speech! It's not free speech if it doesn't include speech with which you disagree...

Yes, there are stereotypes just as discussed here, including the black thug and the white redneck. But if you REALLY want to prove that those stereotypes aren't applicable, why not set the example you claim represents the majority instead? The more people see the successful black businessman or the erudite Southerner, the more those stereotypes will be shown the joke they are (albeit not always very funny).

Know what effectively changes minds and hearts? Education. Know what doesn't? Threats, browbeating, nasty criticisms, etc. In fact, that tends to CEMENT the views! And in the interim, know what shuts that kind of idiot up? LAUGHTER or DISMISSAL. Nobody wants to be perceived as stupidly silly; nobody likes to be ignored.

Make all the redneck, dumb blonde, woman, or farmer jokes you like as far as I'm concerned. I'll just sit here and prove you wrong simply by behaving as I normally do on a day-to-day basis. Besides, I'm confident enough in myself to actually think a lot of those jokes are pretty funny. Instead of pretending to be wounded, laugh at the moron telling the joke, or laugh at the joke. And if you're NOT pretending, well, you have issues that go well above and beyond a few lame acts or words...

Nemesis

Amen, Sam. MLK said the only valid response to prejudice is excellence.

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The Hero Zone

Yup! There's a concise summary. Also, the internet agrees with you with this particular meme:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/su...

EDIT: This one has more and better memes of this type:

http://www.quickmeme.com/Success...

SPEEDY GONZALEZ

WERE THE STUDENTS BLACK OR WHITE? NO MENTION WAS MADE IN THIS ARTICLE ABOUT WHAT RACE THEY WERE? I WOULD ASSUME THEY ARE WHITE, OTHERWISE THIS ARTICLE WOULDN'T EXIST. OBAMA IS STIRRING UP RACIAL TENSIONS HIMSELF, BUT HE'S NOT CALLED A RACIST. TENSIONS ARE GETTING HIGHER AND THE POT'S BEING STIRRED UP BY ARTICLES LIKE THIS, THAT PERPETUATE SLAVERY AND RACIAL ISSUES. I DONT OWN A SLAVE, AND NEITHER DID MY DAD OR GRANDPA, SO I OWE NOTHING TO ANYBODY. I'M ALSO AN ADULT AND HAVE NEVER SEEN A SLAVE. THAT'S THE PAST AND AS LONG AS PEOPLE HOLD ON TO THAT, THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY HEALING. IF YOU KEEP PICKING A SCAB IT TAKES LONGER TO HEAL. HOW CAN ANYONE DEBATE THE TRUTH?

BabyMomma

I think they were all Hawaiian

Brick Hamland

'What might a national response be if a predominantly black college fraternity threw a JFK Day white party with members and attendants wearing bibbed overalls, drinking Natural Light, flaunting counterfeit crystal meth, and sporting temporary tattoo swastikas?"
No one would care.... The NAACP for white people doesn't exist nor does the white Al Sharpton- because those people would all be termed racists

BabyMomma

All you have to do is be white and disagree with Obama and you're a racist. If you're white, and say you don't like seeing peoples pants saggin below their buttocks, you're a racist. If you're white, and don't wear a pin that says I love black people, you're a racist. But nobody likes to talk about the way black people discriminate against white people. Racism goes both ways, but you only ever hear one point of view in the media. It's always the white man holding back the black man. I see the black men holding themselves back more than anything.

deertracker

What are Blacks that disagree with the President? What are BLACKS that complain about saggy pants? Yes, racism goes both ways but all Blacks don't adhere to the "turn the other cheek" thing. You will NEVER get it because you are white. Just the way it is!

grumpy

Re: "You will NEVER get it because you are white. Just the way it is!"

Turn the terms around and "YOU will never get it because you are black. Just the way it is!"

I was told way back when that if you turn the terms around will the statement/accusation still be true? Switch the terms black and white around. Are they still true?

If so how can people not have preferences or bias?

deertracker

Some of you act as if Blacks have no reason to feel the way they do. White people sag and love rap music. I do not know what it is like to experience white privilege.

rbenn

White privilege? OMG get over yourself,thats ridiculous. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA cry me a freakin river, people like you are the problem.

grumpy

Re: "Some of you act as if Blacks have no reason to feel the way they do."

Since you seem to be telling us how Blacks feel and think, tell us exactly how they feel. If not then what are you attempting to say? Sorry but my ancestors didn't come here till the 1900's. They weren't here during slavery. They didn't live in cities and their contact with Blacks was rather limited. Are you claiming that all whiter people are responsible for something? If so what? If only some how can you tell which are responsible for what and which aren't. How do you know which are which?

Are you just going to paint with a broad brush and turn around and complain when others do the same? I prefer to deal with individuals, not races, genders, sexual preferences, ages, political preferences, income classes,or however else you want to divide folks. I understand it is easier to lump people together in those types of groups. Till people deal with individuals this type of thing won't stop happening. You might breed out races but not the rest of how people get divided when you refuse to look at individuals.

huronguy

Blacks in America are some of the most racist people in the world they just have to hide it better because they are so dependent on the white man and have to play the game. Hey black people if you have a problem with racist then leave! Go back to that wonderful land you all think is so great go see what Africa is about and maybe your ignorant butts will come back and be thankful for what we have given you. If you have a problem with the white man then dont associate with us! Dont use our products our resources. Ive said before and its true blacks cant survive without the white man. I still laugh when black folks say they were the first here on earth, oh really first? Then why are blacks last on intelligence? Stop crying and be happy for what you have black ppl. Because heres the truth. If all the blacks in america were dropped off in other countries they would realize people all across the world dont like blacks but not because of their skin color but because of their ignorant ways and actions. Mexicans asians hell even africans. I once had a haitian guy tell me how he gets mad when folks assume hes "african American" he said nope im haitian african americans are the laziest people he's met and id have to agree. Most of you people reading this know having a afican american working along side you is going to be a rough day because most of them have the same work ethnic as their queen obama.

BabyMomma

That was ballsy

deertracker

...and racist. Typical noise from him!

BabyMomma

Extremely racist!

Contango

Remember a book entitled:

"Out of America: A Black Man Confronts Africa"

The author traveled to Africa, saw the poverty & violence and actually became thankful that his slave ancestors were brought to America.

The book was not well received by the black victimization community.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/sh...

deertracker

Black Americans and Black Africans are two totally different cultures. Just because you are the same color does not mean you are of the same kind! I bet that author never heard the n word while he was there!

Contango

Re: Black Americans (snip)"

Typical arrogant American; thinks that his world view is the ONLY one.

Americans represent approx. 5% of the total world population.

Nemesis

deerie, your response has no relationship to Contango's comment.

Contango

Re: "haitian guy,"

In college, I used to hang out with some Ethiopians who told me that they were insulted when they were sometimes confused with American blacks.

deertracker

That's because they think they are better than Black Americans until they are reminded by the white man that they are not! They can be extremely naïve!

Contango

Re: ""They can be extremely naïve!"

Typical arrogant American; thinks that his world view is the ONLY one.

Americans represent approx. 5% of the total world population.

starryeyes83

pretty accurate post, ballsy thought it is.

The Big Dog's back

Boy huron, I didn't think you could outdo your previous racist posts.

starryeyes83

I would like to know where the outrage has been in the Black community regarding the Black Rappers and their glorification of cop killers, raping and killing women ( of BOTH races), killing whitey, Raping old ladies, Raping babies, Cracker, pale face, whitey, honky, etc.

Isn't it amazing you never hear the outrage and the protests.
I wonder why?

Don't deny those "lyrics" don't exist because We all know they do.

Where the hell is the outrage? Because if White people wrote that garbage , you can bet your asses that there would be riots in the streets. Hell, even the hardcore heavy metal bands I listened too, weren't that bad. Then again they had the PMRC after them.

Don't like what I say.. Too bad. So I guess if that makes me racist. So be it.

Face it, when it comes right down to brass tacks , we are all some kind of "racist".

deertracker

Quote the lyrics star!

starryeyes83

Typical BS reply from you, deer. And STILL no answers to my very valid questions.

Stalking much?

Is the game afoot? Are we still playing?

The Big Dog's back

Sure glad there wasn't racism before rap music.

starryeyes83

And still no answer to my questions.

Typical.

YouMustBeJoking

Why is it ok for blacks to call white people honky, cracker, whitey, casper, pale face etc. etc. But god forbid a white person call a black person a n1gg3r? I, nor anyone I know, is, or has been, a slave. I really wish fellow "black people" would stop this entitlement crap. So unless YOU were a slave, white people (or anyone else for that matter) dont owe you a thing. Slavery ended years ago, and so should of the hatred. its 2014, and its unfortunate that so many people are using slavery, as an excuse to be racist.

The Big Dog's back

Do you have that yearning to call a Black person a name?

sugar

There are still slaves in the world, and it is blacks enslaving blacks on the continent of Africa.

deertracker

This is America, okay!

YouMustBeJoking

Exactly, but not here. Many of our ancestors probably were slaves. But WE are not. I have many white friends, my sister married a white man, and I can tell you that there are a hell of a lot more racist black people than there are white. Slavery has ended so quit using that as an excuse.

deertracker

...and when your sister goes into Macy's she is followed but her hubby is not. Don't get it twisted. It's not about slavery and you know it.

The Big Dog's back

youmustbejoking, you must be joking.

BabyMomma

A couple of my "black" buddies have some extremely racist moms. I don't get the same vibe from my buddies, but their mommas, oh boy! Especially when you tell them Ron Paul was a wayyy better choice for president the Barry.

huronguy

Thanks for that honest comment. You mustbejoking

JohnDorian12

WOW! Damon Newell is preaching about....ANYTHING?? I guess the Sandusky Register is really scraping the bottom of the barrel for writers these days!! They wonder why no one wants to pay to read their "newspaper"....im sure the family of the victims really looks forward to his rivoting opinions....what a JOKE!!!!!!! LOL!!!!! Only In America!!

DGMutley

I thought it was a good article.

Read the last 2 sentences.

huronguy

If it's not about slavery deer tracker then whys your people always bringing it up and crying about it?

deertracker

You are irrelevant. MOVE ON!

Marksellsdoors

If a black college had a JFK day as stated in this article I would give it the attention that I think it would deserve, NONE!!!!!

44846GWP

It's sad that after all these years people still fight about race. There are times Dr. King is spinning in his grave.

The Big Dog's back

If you think Clinton was President when 9/11 happened, you might be a right wingnut.
If you think Obama was President when the Great Recession of 2007-2008 happened, you might be a right wingnut.
If you think Blacks cause all of the racist problems because of rap music, you might be a right wingnut.
If you think that because some Black people dress differently than you they are racist, you might be a right wingnut.
If you think that when a Black person speaks about injustices to Black people is being racist, you might be a right wingnut.

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