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Bellevue Police

May 27, 2012
9:14 a.m. — 200 block Union St., man said neighbors poisoned his mother’s cat, and they've done before.

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Unassumer

There's alot of cat haters around here. Wish I could bake them a pie.

Nature Advocate

The law in the USA is that it is perfectly legal to destroy any animal, someone's pet or not, that is threatening the health, well-being, and safety of yourself, your family, your animals, or even your property. Also true even in most densely populated cities, firearms laws permitting, if not then 700-1200fps air-rifles are commonly used. The only animals exempt from you taking immediate action, legally, are those listed on endangered or threatened species lists, and any bird species under protection of MBTA (the Migratory Bird Treaty Act). Even then variances can be given should there be sufficient problem but this requires further study by authorities. Since cats are listed in the TOP 100 WORST invasive species of the world in the "Global Invasive Species Database" ( www.issg.org/database/species/ec... ), this means they have no protection whatsoever from being shot on sight, they are not on any protected species list anywhere in the world. Quite the opposite as a matter of fact. (This is precisely how I managed to clear out every last one of hundreds of these invasive species vermin cats from my own lands. On the sound advice of the sheriff. Even he found that trying to reason with and warn the cat-lovers did no good. But shooting every last cat finally worked! My lands have been 100% cat-free for nearly 3 years now, for less than the price of a couple cups of coffee for the ammo.)

Shoot to maim is punishable under the laws that define animal-cruelty (these are the ONLY cases that cat-lovers cite to try to manipulate and scare everyone from shooting their only favorite animal). But shoot to kill is a perfectly legal way to humanely destroy an animal. The same laws and principles that apply to methods of humanely hunting animals also applies to cats. (Outfit your rifle with a good scope and laser-sight. This will ensure a totally humane, instant, and LEGAL kill each and every time. Though use a fatal chest-shot, a head-shot is not always a sure thing.) Unlike cat-lovers' psychotic beliefs, the reality is that a cat is just another animal. It's NOT their baby, their child, their offspring. Even if they do view their cats that way, letting them roam free is no less criminally irresponsible than them telling their child to go play in the freeway and then blaming the cars for their child's death. If they let their cat roam free, NO MATTER HOW IT DIES, that is THEIR fault and they can be charged with all laws that clearly define animal-neglect, animal-abandonment, and animal-endangerment. Not to mention being in direct violation of all international invasive species laws in existence.

In fact, here's a publication from a study done by the University of Nebraska on the best ways to HUMANELY deal with a feral-cat problem wherever you live. This documentation INCLUDES the best firearms, ammo, and air-rifles required to HUMANELY destroy cats. deenawinter.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/ec1781.pdf

Besides, what difference does it make if the cat gets shot or ran over by a car, attacked by another cat or animal, drowned, or poisoned by plants animals or chemicals (inexpensive 1-adult-strength generic acetaminophen pain-relievers gaining in popularity, for being so species specific, far far safer than antifreeze and rat-poisons that cat-lovers have forced everyone else into using lately). The result is the same. The cause is the same -- the fault of the criminally irresponsible pet-owner that let their invasive species pet roam free. They've already proved that their animal is 100% expendable. You can either destroy their cat for them humanely, or let their lack of care cause it to inevitably die inhumanely. They don't care one bit how their cat might cruelly suffer to death if they let it roam free. Humanely destroy their cat for them before that can happen. A well aimed bullet is the MOST humane death that ANY stray or feral cat can ever look forward to. Any other death that they WILL eventually face is all inhumanely downhill from there.

OokyFanooky

Thank you Nature Advocate! I will aim at the proper spot next time, only with pellats instead of BB's.

Nature Advocate

Yes, you have to make sure that whatever firearm or air-gun you use that it is sufficient to kill, and not just maim. Shooting cats with BB's *IS* illegal, as that falls under shoot-to-maim. (Though in the cases of shooting invasive species birds, then some air-powered BB-guns are sufficient to do the job legally.) You must shoot-to-kill. Make sure your sights are well-aligned first and you won't waste one bit of ammo either. Out of the hundreds that I had to shoot and bury, I didn't waste even one bullet. 1 bullet = 1 cat. As it should be. Besides, wasting a 1/3cent on-sale bullet on a cat would be too much of a financial loss. No cat is even worth that. :-)

queenjhb

Take your meds ,your losing it. This problem has gone straight to your head, too much time hating cats.

Nature Advocate

Destroying cats is neither hating cats nor a fear of cats.

Why do mentally-unbalanced and psychotic cat-advocates always presume that if someone is removing a highly destructive, deadly disease spreading, human-engineered invasive-species from the native habitat to restore it back into natural balance that they must hate that organism? Does someone who destroys Zebra Mussels, Kudzu, African Cichlids, Burmese Pythons, Brown Tree Snakes, or any of the other myriad destructive invasive-species have some personal problem with that species? (Many of which are escaped PETS that don't even spread any harmful diseases, unlike cats.) Your ignorance and blatant biases are revealed in your declaring that people who destroy cats must somehow hate or fear cats. Nothing could be further from the truth.

It is people who let a destructive invasive-species roam free that tortures-to-death all other wildlife, wasted for their cats' play-toys, that have zero respect for ALL life. They don't even care about their cats dying a slow torturous death from exposure, animal attacks, diseases, starvation, dehydration, becoming road-kill, environmental poisons, etc., the way that ALL stray cats suffer to death. They don't even respect their fellow human being. This speaks more than volumes about your disgusting character. People like you should be locked up in prison for life for your cruelty to all animals, cruelty to your own cats as well as all the native wildlife that you let your cats skin alive or disembowel alive for their and your entertainment. If you let cats roam free you are violating every animal-abandonment, animal-neglect, animal-endangerment, and invasive-species law in existence.

If people do hate cats today, have LEARNED to hate cats today, you have nobody but yourself and everyone just like you to blame. YOU are the reason people are now realizing that all excess cats must be destroyed on-site and on-sight. You've done so much to make people care about cats, haven't you. If you want to do something about it, direct your sadly and sorely misplaced energies at those that are causing the problem, not at those who are actually solving it AND HAVE SOLVED IT 100%.

THIS IS YOUR FAULT and THE FAULT OF EVERYONE JUST LIKE YOU. You have *NOBODY* but yourselves to blame.

You can take that all the way to the very last shot-dead cat's grave.

queenjhb

humans are invasive species, are they next on your list? Humans destroy habitat and animals , but I dont want to eradicate us, just help people to be more responsible pet owners, curators of this beautiful planet, stop over population of people, and pets and give the wildlife a hand. All mammals can be and spread disease, Humans among them. Pollution is a bigger threat.

Nature Advocate

Here's my standard issue prepared reply for bible-home-schooled freaks like you:

Homo sapiens is NOT an invasive species ANYWHERE, you freakishly stupid moron. Since humans have the genetic code to give them the capability to travel/migrate to ANY part of the globe, this means they are native to any area that they have traveled to on their own. Just like birds that have this capability and can travel to different continents and islands. Those that have the flight-range required to do so are NATIVE to those areas that they are capable of traveling to ON THEIR OWN.

(And for the love of all that's good in the world, PLEASE don't display your further ignorance and stupidity by trying to claim that European, Native American, African, and Asian humans are different "species". That's usually your next huge omelet-on-the-face move that you astoundingly ignorant fools make.)

Whereas, an animal genetically engineered through selective breeding, such as CATS, are NOT AN INDIGENOUS SPECIES ANYWHERE. They are no more natural to any native environment anywhere on earth than some genetically engineered insect that was invented in some lab, that once released out into nature will destroy all native wildlife, JUST AS CATS DO. Someone once kept a "pet" bee one time. He too selectively bred this pet. After he selectively bred it it was called an Africanized Bee. It accidentally escaped his supervised confinement, and look what happened. Luckily for us they're' not destroying the complete food-chain in every ecosystem where they are found today, are limited in their range, and they're not spreading many deadly diseases to all humans and wildlife -- you know, all those fun things that these domesticated-species cats do.

If you phenomenally stupid cretins are going to use ecology, biology, speciation, and genetics in your arguments, the very LEAST that you could do is have a base comprehension of what you are talking about. Don't you think?

No. And that's the problem with terminally ignorant morons like you, you CAN'T think.

If ONLY there was a legal cure for "stupid".

SamAdams

Anybody who would poison an animal is sub-human. That being said, cats can't be poisoned if cats aren't running around loose! I realize that some cat owners out there think that Fluffy WANTS to go outside (Fluffy often does), and that because Fluffy wants to, it's okay. No, it isn't. There are cars, diseases, feral cats, unattended dogs, and yes, godawful neighbors. If you REALLY love Fluffy, keep him/her inside!

Factitious

Yep. And furthermore, it's illegal in Sandusky to let your animals run loose.

eightballcuet1

There is no law about cats running loose in Sandusky. The lease law only applies to dogs.
But it doesn't make any difference because this happened in Bellevue.

Nature Advocate

Licensing and laws do nothing to curb the problem. If cats are required to be licensed then cat-lovers just stop putting collars on their cats, as they did by me. And they won't even bother getting them micro-chipped, especially not that They want absolutely nothing that can hold them legally accountable for the actions of their cats. We're not talking about the topmost responsible citizens of the world. They don't want that responsibility of what their cat has done coming back on them. If they had even one iota of a sense of responsibility and respect for all other lives on this planet we wouldn't even be having these discussions.

I found something that DOES work, works well, and works fast (relative to the years it takes trying to educate deceitful and lying cat-lickers that accomplishes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING). Where I live cat-lickers have learned that _ALL_ cats, stray and feral, collared or not, ear-tipped or not (because TNR con-artists now just clip cats' ears only, WITHOUT sterilizing or vaccinating them, to protect their hoarded cats from being trapped and euthanized), _ALL_ their cats are shot on sight and buried whenever found away from supervised confinement.

The ONLY thing that works is destroying any of their cats found outdoors off their property. They either learn to stop getting more cats that die under the wheels of cars or from animal attacks, or they finally learn how to be a responsible pet owner, respectful neighbor, and learn to keep their invasive species animal under confined supervision, as it should be. Win win win all around.

You can't train a cat to stay home but I found that, in time, you CAN train a cat-owner into being a responsible pet-owner and a respectable neighbor. Most of them are so phenomenally stupid, disrespectful, and criminally irresponsible though that you have to make at least 12-15 of their cats permanently disappear before they even start to figure out what they've been doing wrong all during their sorry, useless, and pathetic lives. (Though the ones by me who were adopting "barn cats" from "barn-cat programs" were uniquely cretinized and lobotomized. I had to shoot and bury many hundreds of their cats, to stop their cats from annihilating the very last of my native wildlife, before they started to learn.)

If you live where its not legal to use firearms then check into 700-1200fps air-rifles and pointed vermin-pellets. Many of the new ones come with their own sound-suppressor designs built-in, specifically designed for shooting vermin cats in urban areas, the demand is that great. Failing that, then there's always the SSS and TDSS Cat Management Programs that are exploding in popularity worldwide. Shoot, Shovel, & Shut-Up; or Trap, Drown, Shovel, & Shut-Up. Both methods are legal on every square foot of this earth. No local laws were violated if it never happened. (Where cats have already learned to evade all trapping methods, then inexpensive generic acetaminophen (overseas paracetamol) pain-relievers are a more species-specific vermin poison. But you really need to dispose of that cat safely so that wildlife won't die from the diseases cats spread even after their death.)

I don't see anyone dumping cats where I live anymore. They don't even adopt more than can be kept under lock & key 24/7. When driving through the area I don't see even one cat on anyone's doorsteps anymore. I always keep an eye out to see if there are more free-roaming cats that will have to be shot. And if I'll have to leave fish-oil trails on all the roadsides again, leading right to my IR surveillance system and laser-sighted rifle. (You can read some of the most effective methods I invented to rid my lands of hundreds of these vermin in only two seasons, posted here: americanhunter.org/blogs/arkansas-will-trap-feral-cats The eradication so complete and effective that cats are non-existent from my area for over 3 years now. Not seen a one.

Leaving ANY of their invasive species cats outside in my area means certain death for that cat, their further existence can be counted in hours. You'd think everyone else could learn from this simple lesson. The quickest way to solve an unwanted animal and irresponsible pet-owner problem is to let everyone know that you will quickly and humanely destroy every last one of their unwanted, uncared-for, or unsupervised animals for them. They either grow up fast or, far more plausible, dump their animals elsewhere to become someone else's problem.

You just can't be an enabler of criminally irresponsible spineless and heartless idiots -- or they remain that way. (At least where you live, anyway.)

IF THERE ARE NOT DIRECT AND IMMEDIATE IRREVERSIBLE CONSEQUENCES TO THEIR CRIMINALLY-NEGLIGENT AND CRIMINALLY-IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIORS AND VALUES THEN THEY LEARN ABSOLUTELY *NOTHING*.

happyfeet64

I have to agree with you! I am a MAJOR animal lover and own 2 brother cats that are fixed and declawed(done b4 I got them). These 2 have ALWAYS been indoor cats and always will be. The very few occasions when they did get out freaked them out so bad, they were traumatized for a week. Fact- a cat that is allowed outside cuts there life expectancy down to only a few years compared to upwards of 20 for indoor cats. Fact-Feral CATS are just that FERAL. You can attempt to adopt them but if they are allowed in and out, it takes a long time, alot of patience and alot of frustration to convert them into your "kitty". Doesn't work that way. Cats are very territorial and remain so even after you try to give them a home away from the street life.I will never feed or try to take a feral cat into my home. It's just stupid.You want to call yourself a cat lover? Be responsible-get them fixed,take them to a vet, and if YOU really want them outside there are options- a caged in area for them to interact with the birds and such, leashes and harnesses to walk them(yeah takes some getting use to LOL) or there are even strollers made(lol) to push them around the neighborhood, window perches and last but not least TOYS!Condos, feather wands etc. Make their inside world just as exciting as what they would have on the outside. Although,I don't agree with shooting them,etc. I do understand the frustration of having ferals running amok. And to be honest, the majority of ferals are because of people that get a kitten or cat and they don't behave or they just are ignorant and thnk dropping them off somewhere will be fine- cats are able to hunt and take care of themselves etc. Makes me sick. Like someone else said- if you have the time to drop them off, take them to a shelter and give them a chance for a loving home.

mikeylikesit

must have been one tough cat if they did it before and it survived to be poisoned again..

luvblues2

They have nine lives.

Nature Advocate

Use a laser-sight on a firearm (or high-powered air-rifle and using vermin pellets) to aim for a precision chest-shot. They die in under 3 seconds, often less than 1 second, not even enough time to make a sound. This is FAR FAR FAR more humane than the days of terror and torment that even TNR advocates put their cats through (and then the slow INHUMANE "death by attrition" that they spew and embrace). Contrary to popular opinion, do not use a head-shot. I tried that once, it took longer for it to die. This leads me to believe that cats survive more by their reptilian brain-stem than any unused gray-matter that might be above it (just like cat-lovers do). I now also suspect this is the origin of their 9-lives myth. 1 bullet per cat if your aim is good, not 9 bullets. I didn't waste even one bullet on all the hundreds of cats that I was forced to destroy.

happyfeet64

I do find your screen name and the content of your posts to be ironic to say the least. Even though logically I understand the reason behind your post, emotionally I find you to be repugnant. If you had such a huge problem with ferals and are able to shoot them with a scoped and laser equipped weapon, why do you not have coyotes roaming your land? Do you shoot them also? Has it occured to you maybe they could have culled the population of ferals? That would have been more in tune with nature. Just saying.

Nature Advocate

The equation is this: destroy ONE free-roaming INVASIVE SPECIES CAT = save THOUSANDS of native animals' lives that would either be tortured to death or starved to death by that ONE cat, including any of the wildlife's offspring and potential offspring.

I wish I had more native predators around. Sadly, farmers and ranchers in my region have extirpated every last one of them. There haven't been coyotes around for decades. But that really wouldn't matter.

Read this discovery of mine. It explains why native predators cannot, will not, and do not keep these cat-populations in check. Even Australia found this out recently when they discovered that extra Dingos did nothing to curtail cats' breeding rates. Native predators might pick off a few of the muted-coat-pattern cats, and then dying in the process from the diseases in cats, but in the end you will be left with nothing but bold-patterned cats annihilating the lands, cats destroying everything, from smallest of prey to the top predators that are starved-out or displaced. Precisely what happened on my own lands.

Please read this post that explains why this perfectly natural anomaly happens: http://neighbors.denverpost.com/...

The ONLY predator on earth that can balance the equation of this MAN MADE CAT and MAN MADE ecological disaster today is a human with a discerning eye who can perceive which species must be destroyed with hunted-to-extinction methods (more correctly: extirpation of all outdoor cats in this case). It is the ONLY method that is faster than their breeding rates and cats' ability to out-adapt to any trapping methods. And also faster than criminally irresponsible morons let more cats be born and dumped outdoors.

aside: I find your screen-name ludicrous. You have absolutely NOTHING to be happy about (except for your bliss borne of self-inflicted ignorance). If you have cats around, your world is sadly empty. I estimate about 1 returning or 1 never-seen-before native species PER DAY have been showing up on my lands for the last 3+ years. That's a LOT of species that cats made disappear for the previous 15 years with them around. And conversely that's just how sad and empty your world has become if you have cats around. Still happy?

OokyFanooky

I can sympatyhize for the neighbor who allegedly poisoned this cat. I have had problems with cats coming into my yard and crapping all over it. They even come on my front and back porch and crap on my furniture and leave piles of hair all over the furniture as well. Now, I am animal lover as I have 3 dogs of my own, but if I have repeatedly asked you to keep them out of my yard and if that does not work, then I will take matters into my own hands which could be the situation here. So don't be hanging this neighbor from a noose if you do not know the whole story.

Factitious

Call the cops if you know who the owner is. They're in violation of 505.02 - DOGS AND OTHER ANIMALS RUNNING AT LARGE

OokyFanooky

Now why would I waste the cops time over a cat or two when they have more important things to be concerned about. A BB to the back side usually teaches them a lesson.

Factitious

That's punishing the animal for what the owner did. Better to punish the owner with the citation and the fine.

Nature Advocate

I found a perfectly 100% natural solution for those who don't want to take more direct and more effective measures against free-roaming invasive species cats. Anyone who has criminally irresponsible cat-lickers in their area need only plant lilies on their properties. (Must be from the Lilium species, not just with "Lily" in the common name, see notes.) Cat-lickers always want their more responsible neighbors to grow plants around the perimeter of their properties that will repel their cats for them (from the cat-owners' own criminally negligent and criminally irresponsible behaviors and values). Well now you can brighten up your yard AND repel cats naturally! -- PERMANENTLY

(WARNING: If these plants are not native to your region don't plant these if they cannot be contained, or risk introducing yet another invasive species!)

Google for: lily toxicity cats

It has been reported that a cat even licking a little bit of Lily pollen from their fur will be fatal in short order. A cat even drinking some of the water in which a bunch of lilies has been kept is also fatal to them.

Everyone happy! You get to have the kinds of plants that you want, they get to have the kind of pets that they want -- if they take care of it like any responsible grown-up would. Or are cat-lickers now going to demand that you can't plant flowers on your own property? That would be their next and usual move, wouldn't it.

A perfectly natural solution to an invasive species animal that didn't evolve with Lilium species around. Plus it's a good incentive plan for cat-lickers to finally educate themselves all about ecology, native species, and evolution. :-)

Doing a little research on ASPCA's toxic plants lists (Family: Liliaceae).

Lilies (Lilium species) that are deadly toxic to cats ONLY, in even small quantities (even the pollen will do):

Common Name | Scientific Name

Asian Lily (Asiatic Lily) | Lilium asiatica

Easter Lily | Lilium longiflorum

Red Lily | Lilium umbellatum

Rubrum Lily ** | Lilium speciosum cultivar

Stargazer Lily ** | Lilium orientalis

Tiger Lily ** | Lilium tigrinum

Wood Lily | Lilium umbellatum

(not of the Lilium species)

Orange Day Lily | Hemerocallis graminea

( ** see notes below)

Lilies (Lilium species) that may be toxic to dogs if the dog ingests enough:

[NONE]

Be sure they are from the Liliacea Family, has "Lilium" on the plant label or are common N. American Day Lilies. Many plants with "Lily" in the common-name are not of the "Lilium" species, and are in fact toxic to other species of animals besides cats. Double check. On further investigation I also found out that all plant-parts, the blossoms and pollen being the most toxic, if harvested and dried (for year-round use) are just as deadly toxic to cats (if not more-so because of the unknown toxin being concentrated), and the drying makes them even more palatable to cats. What a great mulch for gardens! (Or a ground-up additive for a special outdoor can of tuna.)

** There have been some anecdotal reports of some free-roaming cats that have spent many years around some of these particular species of plants and still survived. So it is best to harvest, dry, and grind-up the plants and mix them into any appropriate bait-foods to be most effective.

luvblues2

I love kitter-kats. But,...if you aren't mine and I catch you in my trash or walking on my car, you'd better have wings because you are gonna fly...

Nature Advocate

Making it "fly" is not going to help matters. One of my good friends has cats, and he regularly shoots any stray cats that he doesn't know to protect his own cats from all the deadly diseases that stray cats spread. He shoots cats to save the lives of his own cats.

(In fact, he's the one who gave me my rifle to rid my own lands of cats. I didn't even own a rifle until I found out from the Sheriff that it was the best and only way to get rid of a cat-infestation. It works and works well. Not seen even one cat in over 3 years, now going on 4. I do have to thank those cats for one thing though, they revealed that I had a hidden marksman skill I never knew I had. Thanks irresponsible cat-lickers and your vermin cats!)

Julie R.

lovelyblues2: If you don't want them in your trash, try putting a lid on it. If you don't want them walking on your car, try putting it in the garage.

Nature Advocate

If you don't want your cat shot, poisoned, ran-over by a car, attacked by another cat or other animal ... keep it in your house.

Since when did it become everyone else's responsibility to take care of your cat the way that YOU want?

I got 5000 rounds of .22's on a close-out sale for only $15. That's 3 cats per penny, $0.003 per cat. That's about as much time, money, and effort that I am willing to spend on anyone else's cat. Even that is too much, they're not even worth that.

If you don't want your cat taken care of in the manner that I see fit, then you keep it where you can take care of it the manner that you see fit.

Is this too difficult for you to comprehend?

Or are you stupidly going to try to believe that everyone everywhere should make the WHOLE WORLD safe for you and your cat so you can let it roam free? Think again, moron. People like you aren't worth anyone's time. You most certainly don't care about the lives of anyone else, not even the lives of your cats. Why should ANYONE care what YOU want?

Do you know how many fatal car-crashes and lifelong debilitating injuries are caused every year from people swerving their cars to miss your free roaming cats?

There should be a new bumper-sticker: FLATTEN A CAT -- SAVE A LOVING FAMILY OF 4

so.....

The one thing Nature said I agree with. I'm not responsible for your animal. So I have to build a garage to keep YOUR cat off MY car????? Ridiculas theory.

Nature Advocate

'Zactly. Asking you to do that is just as foolish as when some criminally irresponsible cat-licker wants everyone else to run around spraying all their property with pepper sprays and who knows all what else. Or buying expensive motion-sensitive devices to scare their cat away from everything. I have one of those, it's called a .22 rifle, and it only needs to be used ONE TIME per cat.

What? Do they want everyone in the world to spray the whole world with cat-repellant just to keep the owner's cat on its own property? That's the cat-licker's JOB. Let them waste their time keeping their piece-of-sh** home, that's nobody else's job in the whole world.

Bonus Info: Now you'll know the underlying reason why cat-lickers do this in the first place. Even they aren't aware of why they are more than happy to throw their cats under the wheels of moving cars and still claim they love cats, and why they can't stop themselves from doing so. Google for (include quotes):

Cats "Human Territorial Behavior By Expendable Proxy"

luvblues2

See my reply on the last page, Jules. I'm sure you won't appreciate it and it will make you think lesser of me.

But just like Nature Advocate who shoots them, I agree that 'loose cats' are more trouble than they are worth. Collar on them or not. I also eradicated the cat population around my home. I don't want this place turning into what Milan, Norwalk and even good sections of Bellevue, Clyde, Fremont and Monroeville have. Those are in-town cases. Living in the country is different. I live in town and cannot legally shoot them. Me being smarter than cats are, have various ways to make certain they don't come back.

They rarely catch the squirrels but they do catch the rabbits and anything else that was fauna around my place, and have given my dogs who are kept on MY property, severe scratches that need taken care of by a vet. No cheap ordeal.

Actually, they aren't much really different than raccoons.

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