Taxpayers lose in Sandusky city vs. Erie County suit

Anonymous
Nov 20, 2012

 

My topic this week is the City of Sandusky suing Erie County.

It is unfortunate that a lawsuit had to be filed.  As for the water rate furnished to the county, I don’t know how low Sandusky can go with their water rate without giving the water away.

In this case, when two entities don’t see eye-to-eye, the taxpayer will suffer a double financial loss because the two entities share the same taxpayer.  In the end, it will cost us through increased water bills.

Years ago, the city had an over abundance of funds in their water and sewer funds and now there is only about half that amount in the funds. The last rate increase was in 2003, and it was supposed to be over a three-year program. The funds are depleting at a rapid rate, and we need to replenish those funds. It is not if the water rates will increase but when they will increase.

Both entities need each other while trying to maintain their own identities, which is a difficult balance. There are often times when both entities must work together to utilize funds that are available to them in order to get a project done.  It takes teamwork, cooperation, and communication. No matter what happens, the two entities need to find a way to coexist for the sake of the taxpayer

The water contract between the two entities provides for tools to be in place and different avenues to take when looking at amendments or disputes.  There is a Board of Review and arbitration to handle any disputes before even taking the dispute all the way to court.   

Until next time, we hope the lawsuit can be settled out of court and the two sides start to communicate in a professional manner.      

 

Comments

wiredmama222

Well that's about as clear as mud. What is this lawsuit about except money?

luvblues2

LMAO! To use a shorter analogy: "my right hand is trying to beat the crap out of my left hand. My left hand doesn't like it and they both lose. Now, my hands are broken and I can't feed my body and now my body is TO'd!" damn hands..:)

wiredmama222

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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JMOP

Clear as mud about sums it up.
Why do I as an Erie county resident have to pay for something in Sandusky?

JERRY from SANDUSKY

The water contract between the two entities what a joke........Time to leave this area.....leave all the freebee people here....

Licorice Schtick

What will your new handle be? "Jerry from Where the Grass is Greener"?

JERRY from SANDUSKY

The water contract between the two entities what a joke........Time to leave this area.....leave all the freebee people here....

SamAdams

This seems simple enough: The City of Sandusky provides water to some of Erie County. Isn't there a contract for that? If the contract has expired, then renegotiate and refuse to renew, if necessary. If the contract HASN'T expired, live with it and try not to make such dumb mistakes when it comes up for renewal.

If this is about ENFORCING the contract, I'm all for it. If it's changing the contract mid-stream, then I'm stuck siding with the County here.

wiredmama222

Sam, perhaps YOU should write this, as what you said makes more sense than what is written above. I get absolutely NOTHING from the blog above. As stated, it is about as clear as mud. Sorry to be so blunt, but when you write something it should be stated clearly and concisely, not this vaguely. Taking away information is the key to a well written piece and there is nothing to take away from this but air. Sorry, again to be so blunt. I expected to get some information about the lawsuit like "what, why and the expected outcome", not this nonsense.

Perhaps they should hire you to explain things. You seem to be doing a better job of it. Thanks.

T. A. Schwanger

Wiredmama::: If you want detailed information on "what, why" and the expected outcome",May I sugest you go back to the original news story November 14th regarding the issue and read the attached detailed PDF. Perhaps you overlooked it.

wiredmama222

I read that, but when someone writes an article for the SR, I expect it to include "information". This contains little to no information and apparently others agree.

Writing is important and when you write a blog you should understand that. You don't rely on having to go back to previous articles or other information to achieve your goals. You should be able to achieve your goal through writing your information clearly and concisely. That's what the readers expect. Suppose others hadn't read that article? How would they know what she is talking about? The previous article isn't available for them to refer back. That isn't fair to them, now is it? No. So either make it clear, or don't blog about it.

There were many things that could have been discussed or make more sense of this suit. Go more indepth. Explain more. That is what I meant. I will stand by my statement.

Here that wasn't achieved. Sorry, but it wasn't. I know you are just defending your friend, so perhaps you should convey that to her for her next offering. Just a suggestion.

T. A. Schwanger

WiredMamma:::

Ms. Johnson is a grown woman. She doesn't need me or anyone else to defend her.

Take a look at all blogs written by the newspaper staff and others and you'll notice a patern------they are all opinion based aimed at starting dialog in the community.

In this particular instance, the previous news story and associated PDF are available on this site.

Regarding your opinion on the Police ICMA Study, I question aloud what part is the current City Manager playing in the implementation of the ICMA Study? It's been months since an update on the study progress aside from the $50,000 station upgrade thanks to the CEO of Cedar Point's donation.

wiredmama222

And yet you do each time I post something you are right there to contradict or comment on anything I post. You do not do that to anyone else I have noted.

Sorry, I call them like I see them. You are either worried about it, or defensive.

Look, this is very simple. You are mixing comments here. The ICMA study has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the blog she wrote here so why are you bringing it up here? You and people like you wan to stick your noses in every form of government that comes down the pipe because you think you have the right to. You do not do so because of anything as noble as "caring about the City of Sandusky". You do so because you think you have the right to stick your noses in and interfere in things that really are none of your business.

You and others in this town are NOT elected officials. You involve yourselves without the benefit of being elected by the majority vote of the townspeople.

In some instances, you have interferred to the point of causing problems. There are times when you and your friends should have plain excused yourselves from the items at hand and stayed out of it Being advocates does NOT give you any power but to watch for mistakes. You sometimes take things to far and think it gives you voted power when it does not. You have not elected say in anything. You might remember that.

If you want to involve yourselves...especially you...run for office. But until you do, stay out of the Sandusky business that is not yours to control or even involve yourself in. Let the elected officials do their jobs for which they were elected incluing Ms ARD. Being friends with certain commissioners does not give you any power either.

You don't represent me, or others.

It isn't yours to say who does what. Ms Ard is the manager of this city and will do her job if you get off her back. Two of the city commissioners need to back off as well. Making her life miserable isn't helping her.

People are aware of what is going on and watching.

If and when the new chief is assigned, it is HIS or HER job to impliment that study and it will be done. So don't worry about it. It isn't YOUR job to do so.

DGMutley

Why the blistering attack, w.m.?

wiredmama222

was I talking to you, DG? I think he can speak for himself. When I want YOUR opinion, I will ask for it. Until then, please allow Tim to answer for himself. Otherwise, it means nothing for others to answer for him or ask questions to which I have no intention of answering.

You don't know what his motive are, nor what is in his mind so you cannot answer for him.

I really hate it when others assume their answers for someone mean anything at all. It is rude, arrogant and disrepectful for someone to answer for another, even when it is formed in a question. I have no intention of answering your question as this has nothing to do with you or anyone else, but is between Mr Schwanger and me.

I mean no disrepect to you, but you seem to think it includes you when it does not. Why would you want to know anything about it if Mr Schwanger does not find the need to answer?

Either he has the good sense to answer or is afraid to. I see he does this again on another site, but again, has not the good grace to explain himself which only cements my theory of his fear of my comments.

I think he has a very thick and enduring fear that my opinions may jepordize his plans for future works may put he and his co horts in jepordy but he has not the wearwithall to so state. I dislike that intensely. I don't like sneaky people at all.

DGMutley

I was just wondering, w.m.

wiredmama222

OK, DG, you are so anxious to speak, what is YOUR opinion? As if I didn't know that you already think the report is for the commission to deal with and not just the police chief. You feel that the commisssion has everything to do with that report and should be dealing with it.

Have I stated your feeling correctly? I have a VERY GOOD memory, DG,but go ahead anyway. State your position.

DGMutley

I will comment on the ICMA study. The reason I brought it up in the first place was because Mr. Smith was interested in setting up some kind of Crime Task Force to fight crime in the city and I simply commented that the Commission would be better served by implementing some of the things in the study. If you look through the study there are equipment issues at the department which should be being addressed by the Commission and the City Manager. This doesn't have to wait for a new chief.

wiredmama222

And you don't think that equipment should be in the realm of the chief of police and not something the chief should bring to the table for the commissioners to see after the chief and his staff look through it?

While it is admirable that Commissioner Smith might like to form a Crime Task Force, he is not a cop. That falls under the police guidelines, again something that the chief of police might want to undertake ALONG with the commissioner assigned to the police department and not just a commissioner.

This has been my complaint with the commissioners all along. While they should be involved in doing some things, they seem to be overstepping what they really have the authority, in my estimation, to undertake. Where police matter are concerned, all these things should be worked on in joint session with the chief of police and not alone by any one or two commissioners. In my estimation that is NOT their povidence. The isn't what they were elected to do. Sorry but that is my opinion and I am stuck with it. Advisory is one thing, to take on and set up is entirely another. If you want to be the one who sets up something like that, go to school and join the force, but you cannot do that without being a police officer. You don't know all the in's and out's. That is the directive of the chief, not a commissioner.

The same with the City Manager. The chief of police should be reviewing the necessary equipment needs and bringing them to the attention and requests of the city manager for consideration along with the funding necessary for purchase. Again, the City Manager should not just go buy whatever the "study' says needs to be purchased. The is the administrative job of the chief of police. This study has gotten too many people involved in the business of the police department by people reading the study and then assuming that others should be doing the job of the chief of police.

I don't believe the study says that. It an interpretation of people who have read it.

Besides that, this is really off topic of what this writing is all about and has nothing to do with water.

reader

The way I understand this is the county promised higher sales volume to get lower prices per unit of water. They enjoyed the lower price and failed to deliver the increased consumption.

SamAdams

If that's written into the contract, then there's no need for a suit. The County has breached the contract. If it's NOT written into the contract and the City agreed to the lower prices based on somebody's verbal assurances, then I go back to my original comment: When it comes time to renegotiate, try not to do anything stupid. Again.

rickross2

sissy

Woody Hayes

My topic this week is where are the paper bags at?

realbigshot

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JMOP

I live in Erie county, but my water bill comes from Norwalk? So please explain that one since I seem so da da da dumbbb.

KURTje

Represents America's mindset.

DGMutley

"Until next time, we hope the lawsuit can be settled out of court and the two sides start to communicate in a professional manner." <<< from the article

Let's hope so!

T. A. Schwanger

Wiredmama::: If you want detailed information on "what, why" and the expected outcome",May I sugest you go back to the original news story November 14th regarding the issue and read the attached detailed PDF. Perhaps you overlooked it.

wiredmama222

I wrote above...please avail yourself of the comment

T. A. Schwanger

WiredMamma:::

Ms. Johnson is a grown woman. She doesn't need me or anyone else to defend her.

Take a look at all blogs written by the newspaper staff and others and you'll notice a patern------they are all opinion based aimed at starting dialog in the community.

In this particular instance, the previous news story and associated PDF are available on this site.

Regarding your opinion on the Police ICMA Study, I question aloud what part is the current City Manager playing in the implementation of the ICMA Study? It's been months since an update on the study progress aside from the $50,000 station upgrade thanks to the CEO of Cedar Point's donation.

wiredmama222

please read my answer above...you need not post it twice.

Darkhorse

After reading the contract that was placed on line with the original story that ran, you can better understand the blog. Thanks to the Register for placing the PDF up on line with the original story so people can better understand the conditions outlined in the water contract.

DGMutley

The city expected more water to be used by the county than has been used. This is pretty subjective isn't it? The county is going to say that they have no control over their customers' water usage.

Since the county residents haven't met the expectations of the city's water department the city wants to assess each one of the 9,000 county water customers $944 through this suit. (9,000 * $944=$8,496,000)