Republicans demand repeal of GOP health care plan

Tom Jackson
Sep 24, 2013
If you follow the latest dismal news from Washington, you know that Republicans in Congress are threatening to shut down government funding unless lawmakers go along with eliminating Obama Care. The deadline for passing a budget is Monday, Sept. 30.
 
Republicans so far say they are willing to shut down the government if Democrats don’t agree to defund Obama Care.
 
The odd thing about the standoff is that Republicans want to punish Democrats for pushing through what was essentially a Republican health care plan.
 
During Democrat Bill Clinton’s first term, the president and his Democratic allies in Congress tried to pass a program to provide health coverage to all Americans. The Clinton plan essentially was to require all employers to furnish health coverage, with an individual mandate to cover everyone else, and subsidies to help people who couldn’t afford the coverage.
 
Everyone would have been required to buy insurance from new regional health alliances. A key element of the plan was “managed competition,” i.e., there would be a standard benefits package, with insurers competing on quality and cost.
 
Republicans countered with their own plan, drawn up by the conservative Heritage Foundation. It would essentially have preserved the current system, but imposed an individual mandate for everyone to buy health insurance and provided subsidies to the poor. 
 
The Romneycare plan that then-Gov. Mitt Romney signed into law in Massachusetts was very similar to the Heritage Foundation plan, and so was Obama Care, the plan that Democrats pushed through during Obama’s first term. The Obama plan, whatever you think of it, was much less radical than what many Democrats would have preferred.
 
Republicans, then, are trying to repeal a plan that’s very similar to what their 2012 presidential nominee back when he was a governor, and very similar to what Republicans backed during the Clinton administration.
 
One final bit of irony: The current leadership of the Heritage Foundation is pushing for the Obama Care repeal effort. This is a particular sore spot with conservatives who don't like Obama Care but who think shutting down the government will only hurt Republicans.
 
See, for example, this Wall Street Journal editorial, which complains, "These columns opposed ObamaCare before it was known by that name, and we may have even been the first to call it by that name. We also don't need any lectures about principle from the Heritage Foundation that promoted RomneyCare and the individual mandate that is part of ObamaCare. Or from cable TV pundits who sold Republicans on Mitt Romney despite RomneyCare." See also this column by James Taranto, who also thinks the defunding effort is a bad idea politically.
 

 

 

 

 

Comments

shucks

If Bush is going to collect his SS , why shouldn't I ?

Contango

Re: "Bush,"

Your previous quote:

"If Republicans are so against Social Security , why do they collect it ?"

So if you're FOR SS, you should collect it, but if you are against it you shouldn't?

What's the difference?

Third time:

So if someone took money from you forcibly (and you didn't agree with their methods), you shouldn't want it back?

BUT, if you enjoyed being robbed, you should want it back?

shucks

Your choice of words gives you away.

I paid into it, I'd like to have it.

Why do you hate America ?

Contango

Re: "Your choice of words gives you away."

Good to see that you once again, "answered the question as I understood it." :)

Have a nice day 4sh*t.

FINI

shucks

You are still a loser with all your financial acuity , Cuntango.

Dr. Information

More name calling. Having a fit today with facts are we?

shucks

No, Miss Information, are you ?

The Big Dog's back

pooh, shouldn't you disclose that check you get from the koch's?

registerer

"'Family glitch' in health law could be painful".."WASHINGTON — A so-called "family glitch" in the 2010 health care law threatens to cost some families thousands of dollars in health insurance costs and leave up to 500,000 children without coverage, insurance and health care analysts say.."....(usatoday 9-23-2013)..

Well what did they expect using the democrap theory of "passing it now and reading it later". My hope is that this burns all of the democraps that need this coverage and then we can listen to them whine about how they are getting screwed!

SamAdams

Mr. Jackson, whatever your personal beliefs (they are, by the way, all too clear here), it would behoove you to at least not publish lies based on either ignorance or propaganda.

Have you READ the ACA? Have you READ the Heritage proposal? From what you've written, the answer is pretty clearly "no" to both. What DID you read, an "analysis" by The Huffington Post?

Contango

IMO, some provision to have national catastrophic ins. plans (high deductible) with an accompanying health savings account is worthy of a discussion.

kURTje

Shizz-ah ....take that as a yes from the heavy drinker.

shucks

Ha ha

EZOB

The latest news. Just informed that Fed-Ex employees are losing the 100% Health Care that they have received for years. The Corporation informed them that they would no longer provide 100% coverage when the Bill takes effect. Just wait until all the local unions discover what the Health Care costs are really going to cost. A whole lot more money and a whole lot less coverage. Can't you people see that the way government has expanded, somebody has to pay? Homeland Security, Border Patrol, Millions more on welfare, 40,000 new IRS employees, 12 million illegals.

EZOB

Tom Jackson,
You showed "Tunnel Vision" while writing this article. I'd make a small wager that you did very little if any research on the contents of O'Bama Care. If you did you should have wrote that it is much more complex than Health care. You failed to write the many, many taxes that are contained in the Bill.
I remember you supporting Marcy Kaptur at the Cafe on Columbus Ave. I read todays article on Her and Browns support of Veterans. She is a liar and I've told her office over the phone and would tell Her "Politely" to Her face. I received a call from a Iraq veterans Mother Monday and She received no Help from Marcy Kaptur's office. Really difficult, two phone calls and everything is taken care. Brown always says He supports my DAV Chapter in Lorain. Yeah they support us, Votes his self a $9500.00 raise and froze Veterans and Social Security raises. You give Me one person in government that I should trust, it sure isn't Dennis Mrray, Chris Redfern, Or the late Mark Waggoner, Marcy Kaptur, Sherrod Brown, or Dennis Kucinich. Yes, I worked opposite "Dennis the Menace" in the 80's. You are better People than any of these and I ask you, don't defend them.

shucks

" You give Me one person in government that I should trust, it sure isn't Dennis Mrray, Chris Redfern, Or the late Mark Waggoner, Marcy Kaptur, Sherrod Brown, or Dennis Kucinich."

............I assume these are all Democrats.

" You give Me one person in government that I should trust,"
.............Does this go for Republicans too ?

Do you trust any Republicans?

Dr. Information

Lets not forget all the pork shoved into the bill. More taxes paid on a house sale in a struggling market. The complete takeover of the student financial aid process (next big bubble to break). The list goes on and on.

Dr. Information

Do not think Pelosi is crazy? This is what she just said on CNN.

During an interview on CNN’s “State of the Union,” host Candy Crowley read Pelosi part of a letter signed by union goon James Hoffa Jr. that described Obamacare’s impact on employers as a way to “destroy the foundation of the 40-hour work week.”

nancypelosi“That’s pretty tough from a loyal Democratic constituency,” said Crowley, sometimes considered a pretty loyal Democratic constituency herself.

Pelosi was unfazed.

Some parts of Obamacare need to be clarified, she acknowledged, but losing that 40-hour work week will really free Americans to “pursue your happiness … follow your passion.”

“Overwhelmingly, for the American people, this is a liberation,” the San Francisco millionaire said dreamily, possibly confusing “the American people” who have to make a living with her fellow guests at George Soros’s wedding Saturday in New York.

“It’s about wellness, it’s about prevention, it’s about a healthy America,” she said.

Actually, it’s about time she hung it up.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013...

Contango

Re: During an interview,"

Click, whirl and spew the vapid phrases.

The woman is a vacuous-headed political automaton.

AJ Oliver

And the conservative plan to fix our broken health care system ??
(hiorribly expensive and ranks 37th in the world, with tens of millions not covered)
. . . waiting . . waiting . .

sound of crickets . . .

Contango

Re: "hiorribly (sp) expensive and ranks 37th in the world"

Based on who's stats and rating system?

Again: I once heard that three things cause 70% of health issues in the U.S.:

Obesity,
Smoking &
Lack of Exercise.

Until those are under control, no amount of Progressive central planning health care monkeying will fix the issue.

Also, 50% of health care spending is due to 5% of the population.

These are the people with acute medical issues.

Seems like a good place to look for improvement eh?

You're hearing crickets? Any other sounds or voices? Ya might wanna get that checked out.

Tom Jackson

Hi Contango, Grumpy, thanks for posting. 

Yes, I painted with a "broad stroke" in a not terribly long blog post, but it's important to bear in mind what I actually wrote.

I wrote that ObamaCare is "essentially" the same as the Heritage plan, not that it was identical to it, and I spelled out what those "essentials" are: Keeping much of the current system in place, providing subsidies and imposing an individual mandate. I took no position on the merits of Obama Care, but I think it's a fair point that it closely resembles what the Republican presidential candidate, Mitt Romney, signed into law in Massachusetts. If Obama Care is so loathsome, why did you guys nominate Romney? 

shucks

ha ha

Contango

@ Mr. Jackson:

Thanks for the nod!

"Essentially"?

With all do respect, the term ‘still’ reads like equivocation.

"you guys nominate Romney,"?

ANOTHER broad stroke. In presidential elections, I've voted Libertarian since '92.

As I've written: I think that some form of catastrophic coverage (high deductible with a stop-loss), so individuals don't go bankrupt along with some form of health savings account to help pay for the first dollar expenses would be worthy of a discussion.

Mandates are an anathema to we freedom-loving free-marketers.

shucks

"..we freedom-loving free-marketers."

.....................Gotta have rules and regulations.

Contango

Re: "Gotta have rules and regulations."

Not disagreeing.

To use a sports analogy:

The govt. needs to act as the referee and let the players and coaches PLAY THE GAME.

gramafun

we can debate this here over and over, however, the Supreme Court has ruled that ObamaCare is the law of the land. Talk of defunding it is just talk at this point because of the Supreme Court ruling I would think. Going back and forth by Republican and Democrat is nothing more than a "reason" to stay away from the real problem, dealing with the government budgets which should have been done long ago.

Until this Senate and House get busy and fix this country, we will continue to see things such as this. Little fights and small wars over nothing, while the big issues lay fallow. It has to stop or this country will end up with nothing.

Someone needs to be the bigger person and start the cooperation of bigger minds. If they can't do that we are surely doomed for the next three years and perhaps beyond. What a waste.

Ned Mandingo

bobama care is not a law or a tax. Its a corporate scam of epic proportions! Unless you are a jobless looser looking for another free handout, then its great. For people with good jobs or small business owners its a serious attack on their way of life.

bucknut36

This is nothing but a "dog and pony show" for the GOP. Romney, Bachman, Santorum, etc. all said they would repeal Obamacare if elected. Well they ""ALL LOST" The mostly conservative Supreme Court ruled in Obamacare's favor. Ted Cruz and the GOP are wasting time and taxpayer's money. They will oppose everything this President does even if it hurts the country.

Contango

Re: "They will oppose everything this President does even if it hurts the country."

And the counterintuitive point:

Pres. Obama will do as much as he can in order to FORCE his ideologically wrongheaded agenda, "even if it hurts (and divides) the country."

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