A difficult time for Barack Obama's fans

Tom Jackson
Jun 18, 2013

It's becoming harder and harder for members of Barack Obama's fan club to defend their hero — as least when it comes to his defense for NSA spying. 

As I documented in a previous blog posting, the president's director of national intelligence, James Clapper, apparently lied to Congress when he was asked if the NSA is gathering data on millions of Americans.
 
The president now owns that falsehood. He didn't fire Clapper or publicly repudiate him. Instead, Obama's press secretary, Jay Carney, went out of his way to praise Clapper's supposed candor during a June 11 press briefing:
 
Q. Is the President satisfied that the American people are getting straight answers from their leadership when it comes to American intelligence?
 
A. MR. CARNEY:  Well, he certainly believes that Director Clapper has been straight and direct in the answers that he's given, and has actively engaged in an effort to provide more information about the programs that have been revealed through the leak of classified information.
 
(The transcript is here.)
 
So, what's James Clapper up to now? Excerpt from a CNN report: "An administration official said Monday that Obama had asked his intelligence chief James Clapper to determine whether additional information about the data collection programs can be made public, part of what the official described as a 'broader effort the president is undertaking to have a dialogue on protecting privacy in the digital age'."
 
So the guy who gave a false statement to Congress, under oath, gets to decide the contents of the next White House press release on domestic surveillance?

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2cents

He is now a minority in more than one way!

shucks

race card alert!

TboneWalkerJr

Doesnt matter. the RACISTS WHO ELECTED OBAMA don't care what he does.

if OBAMA REPEALED the 13th Amendment to REINSTITUTE SLAVERY FOR BLACKS, he would not lose a single supporter

All that mattered to blacks in 2008 and 2012 was that Obama was NOT WHITE

All that matters to the WHITE LIBERALS and BLACK CONSERVATIVES who supported him was his (sort of ) BLACK SKIN

Liberal whites and blacks openly admitted that they were voting for the first BLACK president, NOT the best choice.

McCain was far more qualified than Obama but a great many LIBERALS think that HATING WHITES is GOOD RACISM

To them voting FOR someone because they are BLACK is not racism in their twisted deluded minds

SamAdams

Gosh, where, I wonder, were all of these people who were so PROUD to vote for the "first black president" when far more qualified black men were running for the office?

I'm proud to say that I supported a black man for president some twenty YEARS ago! (Supported a black man in 2012, too, as it happens). But I didn't support him because he was black. Nope. I supported him because I thought he was QUALIFIED! Oh, yes, and he also had some respect for the Constitution, that document in which Obama's never met a codicil he didn't want to change.

So I guess I'd also like to know why it is I'm suddenly a racist merely because I criticize a black man who ISN'T qualified for office? (At any level, much less the presidency...)

And yes, Tbone, you're right: The TRULY racist among us are those who voted FOR a man because of his skin color. They're no more or less guilty than those of equally small minds who refused to vote for Obama for no other reason than that.

coasterfan

What about the millions who voted for Obama NOT because of his skin color, but because we thought he was the far more qualified choice? Or the millions who voted Democrat not because of Obama, but because the GOP is stuck in the 1950's, and only caters to rich and/ or white people? You guys lost to women by double digits, Hispanics by almost 5 to 1, and age 18-29 voters by double digits. You didn't lose because of Obama, or Romney. You lost because Americans DO understand what the the Republican brand IS, and fewer people share your viewpoint.

MiddleRight

If you voted for him becuase you thought he was qualified, then you can hopefully now admit that you were misinformed.
BTW, thanks for highlighing all of the standard D - talking points in your post.

S w Rand 2016

@coasterfan Please explain to us how Obama (or Hillary, for that matter) was a better choice than Dennis Kucinich (another of your party's 2008 candidates)? I expect no substantial response.
The very things you proclaim that Obama is (but is not) would actually describe Kucinich very well. So, you really make no sense to me.
I predict that you will also continue to engage in the same hypocrisy once you realize that Senator Rand Paul is going to be the next POTUS. This would be very telling to me if I could pinpoint exactly what it is telling of : P

I take it that double digits is code for "not much more than 9% but we still want it to sound big." Is that correct? (Not that it holds much weight either way, considering the current state of the accuracy of information which voters use.)

The GOP is stuck in the 1950's? It seems an odd statement to me, considering that the only time I've ever heard of a congressman pushing to investigate "free energy" (harnessing Electromagnetism, etc) was a Republican Rep. (You do realize that harnessing Electromagnetism is the single greatest opportunity to end poverty and even war, do you not? It would even reverse the damage to our environment - Plasma Arc Reactors. So, please read up.)
Either way, please elaborate on what "stuck in the 50's" is even supposed to mean. Please link us to some facts about where the GOP leaders got down there on the floor of one of the houses of Congress and tried to take us back to the 50's. I have my popcorn at the ready.

goofus

The great white guilt and the American Sense of Value that everybody deserves a second chance reelected Obozo!!

meowmix

Obviously, SamA was temporarily supporting Herman Cain, you all remember him, the pizza guy. Gee, he was "qualified" because he ran a pizza chain. Big Whoop! I'm sick and tired of people thinking this country should be run like a business!! It is NOT A BUSINESS--it is much more like a non-profit organization--to do what's best for it's citizens--like oh, say, healthcare, police and fire protection, a safe infrastructure for travel. Teabuggers/Con's just have a problem getting that through their heads.

shucks

"There once was a man named Herman Cain-
he used to run-
a pizza chain..."

SamAdams

Yes, I did support Herman Cain. But the qualified candidate from 20 years ago that I was talking about was Alan Keyes.

meowmix

Alan Keyes??? I'm surprised anyone would admit to supporting that fool--another faux christian.

Here's a fun fact I found on him though:

Due to student deferments, Keyes was not drafted to serve in the Vietnam War. Keyes and his family were staunch supporters of the war.

In other words, I have my book learnin' to do--you other folks go and fight this war.
--True GOP/TP through and through all righty!

The Big Dog's back

I can't believe anyone in their right mind would say they supported Alan Keyes. Really?

meowmix

With you there Big Dog-- that's like saying "I bet Ted Bundy was probably a nice guy once you got to know him"......

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GooseyGrandma

sorry but if you sincerely feel that Mccain was qualified then you need to be put out to pasture with him-- The only thing he might be qualified to do is to pull a hairball from his cats throat and if that qualifies him then ok Hallelujah for him. Maybe back in the 60's or 70's he might've been qualified to take ideas from Nixon-- but oh wait--- it was Nixon who took ideas, bribes, etc....... They are in the same category! And John never knew what he was saying -- that's why he repeated it 3, 4, 5, 6, times~~ over, and over, and over,;;;;; But still he never really made any sense to his words!

coasterfan

Is it just me, or is the REAL racist in the room, Mr. Tbone? I voted for Obama. Not because he was black, but because his platform was the better fit for my beliefs, and Romney and (to a lesser extent) McCain stood for everything I didn't support. It wouldn't have mattered if Obama was green or pink - he would have gotten my vote, and the color of his skin was probably #200 on my list of important presidential attributes. For you, on the other hand, it appears to not only be a big issue, but the only issue. Your comments tell us a lot more about you than they do about the person(s) you were attacking...

meowmix

Ditto coasterfan! Well said. Yeah sure, I voted for Obama because he's black. Not because I'm pro-choice, pro-universal healthcare, pro-all paying their fair share tax-wise, pro-gay marriage legalization, etc....

KnuckleDragger

While I agree Obama wasn't necessarily qualified, I disagree that McCain would have been much better. His recent decisions on policy matters makes me wonder if McCain is not going senile.

looking around

The right wingers slay me, they are all for water boarding and the like to gain insight to terrorism yet they are worried about the government having record of telephone , text or e mail traffic. Do you want the government to take an pro active or passive part in tracking down potential threats from any front.

tk

No difficulty here, Tom. I don't believe he needs defending. Things have turned around and are going in the right direction. That's what I voted for. I'm all for tracking threats to our country in any way that is necessary. I don't worry that someone is tracking my phone calls or email. Do you really think someone is listening to billions of phone calls and reading all of the email? People are getting to paranoid.

SamAdams

tk: So you admit, then, that George W. Bush, John Ashcroft, and Dick Cheney were right? Interesting...

coasterfan

No, we just say that it's flat out silly for Republicans to complain about the NSA issue when it was Bush who initiated it. Obama added the checks and balances to the system that Bush did not.

KnuckleDragger

What checks and balances are those? The ones he supposedly initiated for transparency are actually done in private.

shucks

What do you want?
You want EVERYTHING laid out for public viewing?

S w Rand 2016

We could start with restoring trial by jury as the law of the land again. Is that too much for you?

shucks

What the hell are you talking about?
Don't reply... because I don't care.

S w Rand 2016

[placeholder]..........I will be back after work to respond. I can't believe you even hit "save" on such a reply.

shucks

I'm going re-word my response.
This is what I had in mind:

What the hell are you talking about?
Don't reply... because I really don't care about your opinion.

S w Rand 2016

The fact (not opinion) to which I refer is that, while we did succeed in getting the SCOTUS to strike down the indefinite detention part of the NDAA, we have not yet seen the SCOTUS strike down the part where it is now legal, under the NDAA, for people to be convicted without a trial.

shucks

Follow the thread closer next time.

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