Happy union Thanksgiving!

Tom Jackson
Nov 19, 2012

 

 

Getting ready to prepare a big Thanksgiving meal but worried about buying union? A Web site lists where to find turkey, potatoes, stuffing, cranberries and vegetables from unionized food processing plants, with a downloadable PDF you can tote to the grocery store. (Via Policy Matters Ohio, on Twitter.)
 
All is not well, however, on the food solidarity front. Hostess Brands, the folks who make Twinkies, announced Friday that it is shutting down and laying off 18,000 workers in the process. Company officials are blaming a union strike, which they claim was the death blow for a company that had been in bankruptcy since January. 
 
UPDATE: A judge has persuaded the bakers union and Hostess to go to mediation on its labor dispute, so the company isn't dead yet, after all.
 
 

Comments

SamAdams

Thanks for the list! Now I know exactly which companies NOT to support!

Timber_8672

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Personal attacks (including: name calling, presumption of guilt or guilt by association, insensitivity, or picking fights).

Randy_Marsh

So you condemn being jealous of what others have yet will go on strike to get more because you are jealous of the owners of the companys? Did i get that right?

EdO's

http://www.nationofchange.org/ho...
Hostess blames Union after tripling CEO's pay

Randy_Marsh

Hostess went bankrupt. The unions still wanted theirs and ended up with nothing. If a company cannot pay its bills they go bankrupt to restructure, If they cannot restructure they go under. Those are the facts, The unions didnt want to work with the company and now they do not have to.

SamAdams

Wow. What a nice person you are! That's another big difference between us.

I DON'T hope that you lose your job someday. I hope, in fact, that you have a job as long as you want it, and that you and your fellow union members don't vote to see a company bankrupt itself rather than work as a team.

I DON'T suggest that you're jealous of what others have (though it sounds like you are), and can assure you that jealousy has nothing to do with my feelings toward many union actions. It was exposure to unions that did that all by itself!

I DON'T suggest you couldn't make it in a union shop, especially since union quotas and the like tend to favor even the most inept. The gods forbid even a lazy slob be fired once he's paid his union dues! You're probably right about me, though. I'd be bored out of my mind in 30 seconds, and fired for over-producing shortly thereafter.

Would I walk a picket line? Honey, I HAVE walked picket lines. Of course, the lines I've walked (and been harassed in, and threatened in) haven't had anything to do with demands for higher pay whether my employer could afford it or not, nor has it involved spending other people's money extorted to promote causes and campaigns they oppose.

As for my Chinese turkey, well, sorry: I actually agree with the poster who suggested we buy from small, local businesses, something I do year 'round anyway whenever I can.

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2cents

This is not a union or nonunion issue. It is a situation of living in a world market, doing business and competing in a world market. The US could close its doors to any import and people would have buy their products at the prices set by manufacturers based on their labor and material costs all suppliers would be from the US.

During the US Tsubaki strike it was comical, I read a post where two of the striking workers were having a conversation in the blogs, they were talking about both being at Walmart shopping and they were discussing the strike. That was frigging absurd. I wanted to puke!

The Bizness

Unions serve a very important role, and some unions take that role too far....ok well most take that role too far. Saying that unions is bad is not an effective argument because if we didn't have them you would have no rights as an employee, meaning 18 hour work days, no safety regs, no breaks, and poor working conditions.

We should be discussing ways to limit the power of unions rather than saying they need to go away.

coasterfan

Agree with The Bizness 100%. Workers everywhere have benefitted from the changes unions made possible. In addition to the list mentioned above, it would include fair wages for workers everywhere. For a look at how America was before unions came into existence, look to Southeast Asian countries in 2012, where sweatshop workers earn a fraction of a dollar per hour, while working 72+ hours a week.

Darkhorse

Mr. Jackson has stepped over the line on where to buy union items. The union has themselves to blame for what happened to them. They put themselves out of work. What did the union think would happen. When a company states they will go out of business, they mean just that. Did the union think the company was bluffing? They sure found out rather quickly that they were not bluffing after all.

pavedparadise

From Nation of Change News published November 19th 2012. Before you union haters blame the Union America's woes.

www.nationofchange.org/hostess-b...

“While the company was filing for bankruptcy, for the second time, earlier this year, it actually tripled its CEO’s pay, and increased other executives’ compensation by as much as 80 percent."

The same happened with auto baleouts, bank baleouts and airline bailout-- the Execs took exorbitant raises and luxurious trips while claiming poverty. So don't blame the finger at the Unions.

Iv'e worked for a union shop and we've been shown we could work for free and still not be competitive with foreign "dumping of parts" and " foreign government susidising their industry".

Contango

@ Mr. Jackson:

Union turkeys? Is that an oxymoron?

Obviously their union didn't protect them very well from mgmt. cuts.

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FYI: Technically, the co. has filed for bankruptcy protection twice.

Interstate Brands filed in 2004 and emerged in 2009. The name was changed to Hostess Brands and they filed in Jan.

"Hostess's 372 collective-bargaining agreements required the company to maintain 80 different health and benefit plans, 40 pension plans and mandated a $31 million increase in wages and health care and other benefits in 2012."

Quite a bureaucratic mess wouldn't you say?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB...

Tourist

Here's a thought -- maybe seek out some small family businesses, farmers, meat markets, Amish markets, and then you won't have to patronize large corporations or unions. The money will stay with people who take pride in what they do, and you won't necessarily have to fund the democratic party.

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2cents

I shop here when in the area, the range raised chicken is to die for, well at least the chicken does : )

http://www.milesfarmersmarket.com/

Tourist

That place looks great.

2cents's picture
2cents

I shop here when in the area, the range raised chicken is to die for, well at least the chicken does : )

http://www.milesfarmersmarket.com/

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2cents

Why have I had double posts the last couple of days???

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JMOP

At least you can post. Mine says profanity so it won't let me ( there wasnt any). Lets see if mine works this time.

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2cents

:) > &*&^%#@*
Seems to work ok 4 me : )

Huron_1969

Coffee jitters?

coasterfan

Your choices are simple: support Unions and the Democratic Party (for they advocate for the 99% of Americans who aren't millionaires) OR support the Republican party and oppose unions (for they advocate for the 1% who ARE millionaires).

The most stunning example of propaganda in America today is that vast numbers of middle class people have bought into the lie sold by ultra-rich conservatives that YOU TOO, can be rich someday. The reality is that for every middle-class person who somehow claws his way into the 1%, there are millions upon millions who stay right where they are. If Trickle-Down economics worked, we would have had a huge increase in jobs by the end of Bush's 2nd term in 2008. That didn't exactly happen, did it... The so-called "job creators" didn't create jobs; instead, they pocketed their profits and CEO salaries boomed, while the US lost 800,000 jobs each month in 2008. It scares me to think where we would be if McCain or Romney would have won. Can you say Banana Republic?

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JMOP

Trickle up poverty doesn't make much sense.

Contango

@ coasterfan:

Nations become "banana republics" by practicing credit card economics of giving out cash and prizes to the masses while debasing the currency.

The rich DC liberal kleptocrats are lyin' to ya.

“By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method they not only confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily; and, while the process impoverishes many, it actually enriches some. The sight of this arbitrary rearrangement of riches strikes not only at security, but at confidence in the equity of the existing distribution of wealth."

"As the inflation proceeds and the real value of the currency fluctuates wildly from month to month, all permanent relations between debtors and creditors, which form the ultimate foundation of capitalism, become so utterly disordered as to be almost meaningless; and the process of wealth-getting degenerates into a gamble and a lottery. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose.”

- JM Keynes, "The Economic Consequences of the Peace"

Got gold? Soros is buyin':

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/20...

goofus

And I was going to have turducken!!! Alot of union supplies NOT to buy!!!!

Contango

@ 2cents:

Didja hit the "Send" button more than once?

@ JMOP:

Try hitting the "Send" button again after the message comes up. Works for me.

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2cents

C, I just hit their (Save) putton. I then check my link afterwards to see if it going to the correct place?

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JMOP

Lol yes. I was afraid I was going to double post like 2cents.

Kelly

Ok now give us the list of the non-union places

KURTje

Fair trade fair price nothing wrong about paying your bills.

danny r.

Read the 12 08PM comment and do so....you are dragging all of us down with you......(even the working peeps).

SmokingGunn

Lets see if I got this right. Company is well aware of contract negotiations are forthcoming, they choose to give a raise to the CEO just before they negotiate and cry they need concessions to continue to operate . Bad start in my opinion. Then they cry company is starving for money to continue to operate, hard to believe being CEO and the executives get a raise.
If your feeling sorry to Hostess, what a shame, they just dumped their legacy costs right in the laps of the tax payers, they will obviously reorganize under a new trade name or the same name with the legacy costs attached to us (the taxpayer)using the guaranteed pension fund. Same tactic GM and Delphi used. This who hate the union, should start looking deeper into the unfair labor tactics that corporations use. Those who think the union should have limited power...not such a good idea, because that could also limit your rights to certain freedoms as well. Just saying.