City blows snow removal?

Matt Westerhold
Dec 27, 2012

 

A long-time Register employee arrived at work earlier today expressing a thought he's shared almost every year about this time. 

"I see nobody told the city of Sandusky there was snow on the way," he said. 

As I look out to the windows down at Jackson and Market streets, it indeed does appear that nobody mentioned to city workers that it snowed. The employee and others who drive into town from other parts in the county swear that every community does snow removal better than Sandusky. Given the city government's inability to get just about anything right it's difficult to argue against the point. And seeing the ice crusted city streets below the news building nearly 24 hours after the snow began falling gives validity to the criticism.

But I'm not sure. My commute does not go outside the city. Perhaps I'm just too familiar with the snow-filled streets in Sandusky.

What do you think? Is the city's snow removal substandard? Are other area communities better at tackling this task? 

  

 

 

 

 

Comments

The Bizness

I live in the City and I think they do a pretty good job, my house is not on a main street and I heard the plow go by a couple times this morning around 5 or 6....I don't see what more I could ask for.

MrSandusky

Some people will never be happy no matter what the city does. No complaints compared to other areas I have been to recently.

Dwight K.

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HelloHello

I seem to remember so many comments on how the city needs to cut employees on every article talking about the financial problems in the city government. Looks like we are all thinking twice now that it's inconvenient to us.

donutshopguy

HelloHello has it correct. You can't complain about reducing the cost of government and then complain about lack of services.

Either pay more taxes to get what you want or shut up.

I on the other hand would like to cut services even more. We are spoiled and lazy.

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BW1

it's a matter of WHICH services and personnel are cut.

Keeping public roads passable is a core responsibility of government.

Operating a marina in competition with local businesses, at a huge loss, is not.

Darkhorse

If the city can spend $21,000 on panic buttons for city hall, we can get the snow blowed off the streets. It seems the city has money for everything else but what they are supposed to have money for.

G George I du kno

I think they have done the best they could considering the resources. I think we have more streets than anyone else in the county and many more budget issues. It obviously didn't bother Matt on his way to work because he didn't think about it until someone told him and then he had to look out the windows to see what they were talking about.

Cityslicker

I too think the Sandusky road crews did a great job, as did all the local road crews. Just another hit to City services by the editor of this newspaper. I would like to see him do any of the jobs in this town that he chastizes on a steady basis.

wiredmama222

They have been down our street at least three times: twice to plow and once with salt today. I don't think they are doing such a bad job. We are between Perkins and Milan Roads, far from the center of town, a run way between to major roads. Not a bad thing at all. I don't know about the center of town, but if they are hitting us, I can only imagine they are doing Columbus Ave and major streets thereabouts. Not bad at all.

BEHAPPY

I agree with HELLOHELLO~
Everyone wants to cut the working guy then when we need them it's a different story. The streets in Sandusky are pretty bad. They did go down my street once which is very unusual. Would have been nice if they would have gone down again when people went to work and moved their cars because there is ALOT of snow left. Perkins streets are all cleaned up, no snow on the streets at all. Oh well, I guess we will have to just wait until it melts.

BEHAPPY

I agree with HELLOHELLO~
Everyone wants to cut the working guy then when we need them it's a different story. The streets in Sandusky are pretty bad. They did go down my street once which is very unusual. Would have been nice if they would have gone down again when people went to work and moved their cars because there is ALOT of snow left. Perkins streets are all cleaned up, no snow on the streets at all. Oh well, I guess we will have to just wait until it melts.

BEHAPPY

SR~why does the double post happen all of the time? It tells me I need to use the word verify to post and when I do there is a double post~won't let me edit one of them either.

jetskier

I can always tell when I leave Sandusky and drive into any of the neighboring communities by how clear the streets become just after the snow begins to fall. Other cities and townships seem to not wait as long to start plowing as Sandusky does.

wiredmama222

I have always wondered about those who go out in a blinding snow storm that isn't done yet to shovel or plow their snow? When it isn't done snowing and blowing, why would you want to do that? If it is still snowing and blowing, it will only undo what you just did. That is like racking the falling leaves before they are completely done falling.

Sometimes it is best to let the storm pass just a bit before going out and plowing the streets. No one really should be out in a blinding storm anyway, so let the storm settle before going out in it before you blow, especially when you lack manpower and money to do the job.

Just my humble opinion and I know I am stuck with it.

BEHAPPY

People shovel/rake before the storm/leaves are finished because accumulation is difficult~Buuuuuut I did learn the hard way this year~I tried to keep my yard free of leaves so they did not blow into other neighbors yards(not my leaves to begin with BTW~neighbors trees) and NOONE besides a couple people raked and they came to my yard over and over again! I suppose it still would have been really bad if I would not have kept it up because I HAD A MESS!
A snow plow just came through my street~he tried very hard to get the snow from in front of my driveway but the neighbors snow covered car that has not been moved at all made it impossible~so it's not always the hand full of workers faults.

Erie County Resident

It's not only Sandusky it's the whole county.
I drove home from The Ohio/PA line area during this crap last night. The road crews were all over the place working their butts off until I hit the Erie County line on Rt.2
As soon as I went past the bridge by the rest area out by Vermillion the road turned to no road. I didn't see one plow/salt truck after I came into Erie county.
Rt.2 was like driving across a plowed field. Completly packed snow/ice with chunks missing like a bomb field.
Granted none of the roads were good but at least the other counties had a slight handle on it.
I don't think Erie ODOT got the memo, or ignored it as usual.

wiredmama222

Makes you wonder how much money EC has for plowing too, doesn't it? What did THEY set aside for a storm like this and why are their guys not out? Did they cut back so badly on people as well that they don't have the manpower either? I cannot help but wonder if they didn't cut back too much either?

Or did they wait until the worst was over and then go out and clear it all? Just a thought.

Shrekone

I do not like to criticize people that plow our roads due to they put in long hours but I went to the mall today and our roads were terrible.I could have closed my eyes and would have been able to tell you when I crossed over to Perkins Township. We had plenty of warning on this storm coming and we did not even have the blizzard conditions they were expecting. I am sorry but my opinion and the good thing about living in America you do not have to agree with me but it was a lousy job!!!

bnjjad

I live close to two major highways. Of which I get both ODOT and Turnpike Maintenance crews going by consistently. They were both out continually and all night getting the roads ready for morning rush (Trust me, I was cursing ODOT in my head while trying to shovel since it all ends of in my driveway). However on my way into work this morning on the west side of sandusky the roads were TERRIBLE. Monroe looked and felt like a country lane (I think Strecker Rd was better). Tiffin/101 was a disaster and was more bumpy than George Street. Only on my way home from work was the roads getting better. Sandusky always has problems clearing the roads, every year it is the same thing. I am beginning to think it might be the equipment.

Kilroy

Go to Ottawa County, roads were great in Erie County.

doratheexplorer

Blablablabla omgosh its snowwwwwww wahhhhhhhhhh the roads have snow and are bumpy boohooo hellooooo slow down and stop whining about it lol sorry but it is winter

phroggy

I really don't care if they plow. I have four wheel drive. I'll tell you what really is irritating is salt. Just leave it alone. It will all melt in June so no sense in throwing money away.

Rusty of Sandusky

Matt, you should be concerned about the rampant typos and grammar mistakes that have plagued your newspaper for years before you start ragging on the city employees. Fix the amateur appearance that your award winning newspaper projects on a daily basis and THEN maybe you can question how well or poorly the city does ITs job. Does anyone ever read the articles before they go live on the web site? Spell check can only do so much, you know. It may be comparing apples to oranges, but I'd give the city a higher grade than the Register when it comes to each doing its own job effectively. (And I am none too impressed with the city). Quoted from the most recent JOKE of a column Ask Eda: "You’ve only discussed dating and yet you’re ready to walk him down the isle (sic)." -- What/when is it, fifth grade/sixth grade vocabulary level that includes the difference between the words isle and aisle?
Can't put out a professional paper, but you sure can criticize everyone else for not doing their jobs to your {standards}.

Matt Westerhold

Thanks for the comment Rusty, but a typo or a misplaced word doesn't cost city taxpayers a dime.

The city housing scandal cost taxpayers about $4 million and put 60 residents out of their homes, for years. That money was stolen and nobody was ever held accountable. 

Nuessegate probably cost city taxpayers $1 million, or more, and nobody was held accountable.

You likely wouldn't know anything about those expenditures, however, had the Register not reported on them, and Matt Kline would still be the city manager.

There is always a broom and a rug available for most governments. 

Again, thanks for your comment. There's certainly room for improvement in almost any endeavor.

 

wiredmama222

I have to agree with almost every comment on here and I wonder why it is that no one (for future reference no one is two words not one)...not one person EVER brought up that someone ISN'T being held accountable for these losses? Why is that? It seems that with the loss of all this money, someone, somewhere should be screaming bloody murder about it, but no one seems to be the least bit bothered in our government about retrieving a dime for any of this? It never occurred to me before, but isn't that something the City Commissioners should be considering or the County Commissioners should be considering, whichever the case may be?

Factitious

Criticism of the Register is off-topic here, and it would wiser not to have responded.

Imperfections in the editing just replact the stress that the entire print news industry is under. Editing costs money. I'm just glad we still have a pretty good daily paper.

To the point about the cost about scandals - It's a legitimate role of The Press to make us aware of shady stuff, but a bit hypocritical (perhaps that word is too strong) to complain about the cost when the press is making money on reporting that, in some cases, arguably makes the costs worse.

To the point about hiding dirt under rugs - Without defending the practice, it's fair to point out that private enterprises have MORE dirt, MORE rugs, and and they don't have tell the public where they are, much less explain the bulges. So keep peeling back those rugs, but please take care to spare us from tired righteous indignation and denounciation of government in general; it adds no freshness.

Train

I left for physical therapy at 6:30 a.m. and thought the roads were fine all things considered. Have Matt talk at all the streets on his way to work. That should melt them all. Him and Darkhorse, and donutshopdude, could do the entire county with all that hot air.

donutshopguy

Train,

Thanks for your vote of confidence. My bill for snow removal will be sent at the end of the month to the city.

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Being a downtown business, snow removal certainly is important especially as we do attract people from out of town (parking can especially be hairy at times). So we both rely on and appreciate the service when available! But, if given some permission and guidance from the city (so we don't get in the way of or break any rules) we could probably get a little group of people from our Hero Zone community to at least keep our block of Market St. upkept. It would assist the official crews to be better able to focus on other streets or not have to worry about sidewalks and just plow the roads. As far as investments in it go, some additional shovels, even an old snow blower, and a thank you pizza party for those that came to help could go a long way. It is a good morale booster for the community and gets people involved in helping. "Adopt a Block" of sorts! Of course, this isn't a pandering for funds or equipment, just a thought to share (we already try to do a good job with the sidewalk outside our store which is a good portion of our side of Market St.).

Not just looking at how other communities handle their snow, but other countries, there's a lot of interesting options even including this little guy which is kind of a "hay bailer" for snow and slush:
http://marginalrevolution.com/ma...

There are a couple of other neat, functional ideas in that article too. All the same, let's stay warm and do what we can where we are including sharing information if a service doesn't seem to be up to par (but give thanks when it is due too!).

eightballcuet1

It seems like the downtown area was the worst. I work downtown, snow is plowed into the center of the atreet. When businesses opened and people started parking on the street it was almost impossible to get thru. When I went to lunch I went down Water St to get to Subway. There was a beer truck parked next to Daly's coompletly blocking the eastbound lane. You could not get around it due to the mound of snow. On my way back to work, I again went down Water St. When I got in front of Dr Gallagher's office I had to actually go up onto the mound of snow to get around the cars parked there. When I left work for the day at 5:00, not one plow, backhoe or truck had made any attempt to remove the snow from the middle of the street. You would think that the city would make every attempt possible to clean the downtown streets not only for the businesses but for the fire department located on W Market St. I know that they get numerous calls to the high rises downtown and I see them going down Market St to get there. They would have never made it through today. Downtown should be one of the streets to take priority in snow removal.

Beer_guy

When I moved here from Castalia over 20 yrs ago I would brag to all my friends out there about how good the city kept the streets in the winter now I feel foolish when those same friends and I talk about the streets in Sandusky during the winter even the snow streets are not cleared well I went though downtown on my way to work today and in a few spots could barley get through just another reason for people to avoid downtown as if bussiness is not already bad enough for them this time of year maybe we should hire someone to do a study on how to fix this problem and spend about 20 or 30 thousand and while we are at it lets hire someone to study how we can get rid of the Keller building and open up Shoreline dr again that should be worth another 20 or 30 thousand that should just about blow the entire budget for snow removal for the rest of the year

phroggy

No periods? Really?

Beer_guy

When I moved here from Castalia over 20 yrs ago I would brag to all my friends out there about how good the city kept the streets in the winter now I feel foolish when those same friends and I talk about the streets in Sandusky during the winter even the snow streets are not cleared well I went though downtown on my way to work today and in a few spots could barley get through just another reason for people to avoid downtown as if bussiness is not already bad enough for them this time of year maybe we should hire someone to do a study on how to fix this problem and spend about 20 or 30 thousand and while we are at it lets hire someone to study how we can get rid of the Keller building and open up Shoreline dr again that should be worth another 20 or 30 thousand that should just about blow the entire budget for snow removal for the rest of the year

safecracker2

Hey Matt.... I see that you try to find fault and blame as long as it brings up a controversial subject. Keep it up. The world you live in must be perfect. Were you out in a plow, and ambulance, a fire truck, a tow truck, in an emergency room, delivering meals on wheels to people who were stuck, checking on the elderly, restoring power, working as a cashier, or another job that made the world go around during this minor snowfall? Must be nice to sit behind your computer and pick on people who are trying to do the best they can with what they have. Everyone is understaffed. It's the way the world rolls now a days. Give these people some credit. Perhaps you should have stayed home.

grandmasgirl

Some people don't understand that not all cities have the budget that other cities do. Perkins probably gets twice the revenue that Sandusky does. The cities and townships have to pay for their own snow removal. HelloHello is right. People always seem to complain about one thing or another. Very seldom do the workers who are out in all kinds of weather (be it 0° or 102°) get any credit. I for one would like to thank them.

pptrsha

yestarday i made a police report because the snow plow went through my fence again. i was told the plow didnt hit the fence the snow did! wtf? hahaha we have repaired the fence every winter for the last 5 years this year we screwed a piece of pressure treated wood across it and the plow took out the panel BESIDE it this year the only thing stopping it from going across the partking lot was the metal poles in concrete behind it

starryeyes83

I very rarely have to rake I chop them up with a mower.

totallyamazed

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I just drove through downtown Sandusky (my usual waterfront tour). Yikes!! I personally believe if the blades of the plow were lowered approximately 8" closer to the road, some real progress....wait....and the truck moved 5' closer to the curb also.....there we go, some real progress toward navigable streets could be achieved. Can't park on the street :-(

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