NRA: Don't read this

Matt Westerhold
Dec 23, 2012

But most people cannot look away. They can only watch and grieve for those families, for those parents whose lives will never again be normal.

For now this tragedy is embedded in the American consciousness. For now. Perhaps the images of those beautiful children and courageous educators will stay embedded and we won't forget. And as a nation, maybe, just maybe, there will be forward movement that begins to address this persistent problem; this persistent debate.

The National Rifle Association weighed in on Friday, suggesting the solution to the epidemic of mass shootings should be addressed by placing armed guards at every school door. If it's a war you want, it's a war the NRA is willing to back.

The founding of the nation came from the end of a musket, and the fascination with weapons is natural and has grown. There is little need to regulate the very clear right of law-abiding citizens to own weapons. Yet there is still a need.

*Get the Sunday Register today at a newsstand near you or buy the e*Paper here for the rest of the column.

Most people would agree that private individuals should not be allowed to develop their own arsenal of nuclear weapons. By way of the NRA's logic in it's support of semi-automatic weapons and 60-round magazine ammunition, that's a violation of the Second Amendment.

Comments

goofus

http://www.sfgate.com/news/world...

Bad car, is this like an SUV plunge!!!!

Kimo

Two firefighters were shot dead and two others remain hospitalized. One of the weapons recovered was a .233-caliber semiautomatic Bushmaster rifle with flash suppression, the same make and caliber gun used in the elementary school massacre in Newtown, Conn.
He used that gun for rabbits, multipurpose weapon. Bet if they check his freezer.........

beepx22

you forget the fact he was forbidden from having that weapon, by gun control laws, gotta make it double illegal now. Go to a gun store and try to buy an AR-15 now, and you'll see all this talk of Control and Confiscation has emptied the shelves.

gilamonster

Is that all slobbering liberals get from the Christmas arson; firemen shot with a Bushmaster .223? This what I get, did he use a gun to kill his grandmother? No he used a hammer, obviously claw hammers are deadly. Second why was this idiot even out of prison? If they had kept this murder in prison where he still belonged, none of this would have happened. I also noticed he was intent on burning down the neighborhood, I don’t hear anyone screaming about banning matches or accelerants, do you? All you hear is blahh blahh, Bushmaster evil .223….. Hey maybe the idiots that let this creep back on the street need to be held accountable and serve some prison time themselves;

The Big Dog's back

Wow! Looks like winnie and the good dr. are into silencing people's posts again.

4shizzle

Ugh! Me no like-um

Kimo

Re:The NRA is not the lion its the lion tamer.

Now that is a ballbuster.........

wiredmama222

I really don't think that this entire matter of so called gun control is going to be that at all. It is going to be a certain TYPE of gun control...an assault weapon gun control. That had a ban on it once before, I believe. The vice president and his committee has 30 days in which to come up with a comprehensive plan to give the President. That isn't much time.

You can bet they will be asking for input from those who lost children from Sandy Hook about what they think is the best thing for them to do. Their family members already got together to have a very serious talk about what they wanted, if you remember. They had some offers of ideas. I can bet they will be giving them to the VP and his group.

I, for one, am anxious to hear what they have to say. I know it includes background checks, mental health issues and assault weapons. We will all hear about it in the near future, I am sure of that.

Dr. Information

And when they did have that ban, gun violence went up nationwide. So again, whats your solution?

The Big Dog's back

Get rid of weapons of mass murder.

Randy_Marsh

@Big dog
I heard snapping you fingers while dancing a jig and jumping off the bay bridge will get rid of all the weapons of mass murder, While your at it can you also get me a winning lotto ticket, world peace and a muzzle on every liberal hack that like to say racist things?

Dr. Information

Do you even read? There was a ban on assault weapons in the past and gun violence went up. So again what's your point? Nothing but the same old banter. Please bring more that this weak stuff. Yawnnnnnn. You are boring and lost this one a long way back.

vicariouslyAlive

so i was right when i said the other day that'd we see more shooting involving .223's... the media perpetuates the mentality. we'll see more... and more... and more... until coverage stops... i do find it a bit coincidental that obama starts to take a stand against a certain type of gun and al of a sudden tons of murders are now being documented involving that type of gun, but they're at the very same time over looking the other murders that have happend in the same time frame, and some of which were more horrifying than the ones being covered... seems pretty fishy to me... and i know it wouldn't be only his fault... there's many anti-gun people that are reveling in all of this carnage... i guess that's the difference between the pro guns and anti guns people... pro gun people only get loud when guns keep the peace, we celebrate it, and at the same time mourn when they are misused.... anti gun people get loud when ever there is carnage, but never tip their hat when a gun does a good job at saving lives... something seems a bit wrong here...

Centauri

Somebody mentioned that the AR as in AR-15 meant "assault rifle" which is a lie and spread on the internet.

http://www.nssf.org/msr/facts.cfm
"•The AR in "AR-15" rifle stands for ArmaLite rifle, after the company that developed it in the 1950s. "AR" does NOT stand for "assault rifle" or "automatic rifle."

I would rather take my chances with somebody with a semi-auto in close quarters than some sniper a mile away with a single shot .308. Too many people have no idea about military or police weapons and those owned by civilians.

I would still like to know how a newspaper could publish all those names of those who hold CCW licenses. Somebody broke Ohio's law. The SR is not telling. A lot of news should be told by the SR. Those 20 top stories are nothing compared to what the powers that be don't want you to know.

http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.g...

Did the SR take photos of the confidential CCW records? Who is not talking and hiding the truth? Next will the SR get your medical records and by-pass the HIPAA law? Somebody broke Ohio's law about the confidential CCW records. Who broke the law? Cover-up perhaps?

How come Big Dog has not been banned? Others were banned for minor or less violations.

starryeyes83

Let's see.... how long would the rest of us ( who are already here) last , if there wasn't any abortion at all?

Knowing that this planets' natural resources are limited; and thousands of people are NOT careful about personal responsibility... hmmm?

Really, folks, stop and think about it.

** The ONLY Reason I ask this is because people keep bringing abortion into the subject about gun control. *** And I don't understand why.

It's 2 different topics, right?

Kimo

Kimo: In 2013 a lot will be said, little if anything will be accomplished, and innocent people will continue to be shot and killed.

It is not unusual to see pictures and videos of underage/young people with weapons on social media. When someone is killed people will continue to say; "Well it's illegal for them to have these weapons under the current law".

There is not enough law enforcement in this country to stop that kind of behavior.

Big money rules in this country and guns are big money.

vicariouslyAlive

you see starryeyes83, we live in a society run by simpletons... they see the world only in black or white, yes, or no, have or ban... but the world is much more complicated than that... they make comparisons based on antiquated belief structures from back when the world could be run that way...

when it comes to abortion, there is no have or ban way about it.. if you say yes, the allows all of those teenagers to go out and be irresponsible and waste human life, but if you ban it, then those people that get raped end up being forced to raise a hate child... or give it up for adoption where it can further burden society... yes... there are some people that are looking to adopt... but there's already too many kids that need taking care of let alone another million or so a year added to the mix...

the same goes for gun control. giving everyone a gun is no more an answer to the problem than taking them away from everyone... if people have proven to be an asset to society, then yes, give them a gun. i've been a law abiding citizen my whole life, so to punish me for the acts of someone hundreds of miles away would be insane, and it would also beg to ask the question, if i'm being punished for something i didn't do what reason do i have to follow any law at all?

here are the facts. "assault weapons" are already illegal. flat out plain and simple... so any further ban on rifles would not follow in assault weapons foot steps, but rather ban something that isn't even being properly represented. more people die every year from many other unnatural causes than by rifle, so to ban them in a yes or no society would mean needing to look at every other issue with the same mortality rate. media biased is over looking all other causes of death at the moment and only covering rifles, which so far still only account for 4% of all gun murders and less than 1% of all total murders, and yet, in the past 2 weeks they just keep playing loops of the same news...

we need to get past this black and white mentality and realize that the world is a bit more complicated than that. if the gun problem was really as bad as the media and it's mindless followers make it out to be, there'd be no people left... they act as if just because people own guns that automatically makes the murderers... and they equate the number of guns in the states to the number of people in the united states... and if that were true it'd be almost a 1 to 1 ratio... 310,000,000 guns in a population of around 350,000,000 million people... so they are saying that over 95% of the population is a gun owner... and if that were really the case then there wouldnt be much of a gun argument now would there? then they go on to say that a decrease in guns would be a decrease in gun violence, as if that's the only violence the world sees... when really a decrease in gun violence would only amount to an increase in other forms of violence... guns aren't the problem, a neglected society is. a society that has been striped of it's power to even raised it's own children under any kind of discipline without having to fear the CPA showing up at your door... a society that bases it's goals and morals on shows like jersey shore and then we expect our kids to come out normal? a society based on if the kid cant sit still and behave it must be ADD or ADHD or if they don't have many friends they have a social disorder and the answer is always to medicate... a society where having SWAG is now more important than being responsible in any sense and terms like YOLO run rampant to justify acts of stupidity... and you people wonder why society is heading downhill?

if we all acted responsible and started being parents again, as a whole because i know some of you are still doing a good job, then most of the problems would be fixed... it's the schools job to teach math and english, not the rights and wrong sof not doing drugs, and yet we depend on the schools to teach our children the basic morals that parents used to teach back in the 50's and 60's. it used to be the parents duty to teach their children about things like moderation and basic human civility, and yet now we expect them to just pick that stuff up in school and sit stupefied when our kids turn 21 and one their 21st birthday end up in the hospital because they got into a fight and had alcohol poisoning...

again im going to say this... we as a society are at fault for the things that happen because we've spent far to long expecting society to take care of the things that we were responsible for... raising our children, protecting ourselves, earning a living... these days we say the the schools should do that, that's what the police are for, and why work when there's government benefits. and we wonder why the government has so much control... well thats because we've given it to them. if we taught our kids right from wrong then the acts of violence would decline. if we had means of protecting ourselves then criminals would think twice about committing a crime because they would always have to expect that their life was on the line every time they wanted to snatch a purse... and if everyone was educated and could earn a decent living then there' be little to no need for crimes like theft or drug distribution...

the issues go much deeper than how lethal is a rifle... it's the driven motive behind the shooter that were comprised of a life time of misinterpretations, a false sense of reality and never being taught how to deal with their emotions properly because the school was too poor to fund that lesson and the parents didn't take it upon them selves to teach it. i own 3 guns, and im planning on buying a 4th in the spring, and yet im not out robbing gas stations or shooting up pubic places. what we have to remember is that 95% of legal gun owner are responsible gun owners... wouldn't it be a shame if all egg's or cars or alcohol were banned because 5% of the population couldn't control themselves? punishing the masses because a few neglected people ruining it for the whole bunch... because that's exactly what some of you people are pushing for. wasting tax money on a rifle crack down... money we dont have to crack down on a problem that barely exists...

Kimo

Re: "crack down on a problem that barely exists".

Really?

Those kids did exist, now they don't, but in my mind their death is a problem that we, not they created.

vicariouslyAlive

yes, i agree, the problem is one we created, as i stated twice before and now for a third time...

and look, i hate to speak frankly and insensitively, but going after a method of crime that accounts for less than 1% of all total crime is going after a problem that barely exists. death by rifle is is one of the lowest hommidice methods around.

people like you Kimo that play into the emotional and irrational is exactly what the media and pro gun people want and are looking for. they prey on the sheep in society to pull what ever strings they see fit. yes 26 people died, and that is sad, it truly is, but more people die every day. what about those people? in just the last week america has lost about 1000 people... what about those people? what about how they were murdered? not everyone is killed by a rifle... actually, barely anyone is killed by a rifle, but people like you with blinders over their eyes that only know about the outside world because of what their news channels want them to know. the Sudan, the Congo, Columbia... those placses have a problem with actual assault rifles, the real ones that are fully automatic, and yet, there's no public outcry for them? the problem is the news finds a new for of entertainment through the atrocities of one act and then turns it into something fantastical. had those children been bludgeoned to death with a golf club the PGA would be under fire. if they were all strangle to death with a guitar string, Gibson would be in trouble. but since the guy used a rifle, no matter how many times it has been proven over and over that hand gun violence is more than 5 times a big of a problem and now matter how many statistics are put up that you're more likely to die at work today than to be shot with a rifle, people like you always find a way to follow your irrational minds because thats what the news wants you to do. when you can't rely on the fact to back up your argument people always fall back on the emotional matters, no matter how small they are in the grand scheme of things. yes, i have a child, and believe it or not i'd like to have another even though to world is in a crap hole, but i would like to learn not only from the mistakes in CT but the countless other examples of how gun regulation has been failing to keep people afe since the inception of gun regulation. because even murder is against the law and yet it happens on a more than regular basis... so please tell me Kimo, in your expert analysis of all of the worlds situations... better yet, let's localize it a bit, in all of the united states' situations, please tell me how writing another law in a book is going to help when people already aren't following them? because if we all followed the letter of the law there'd be no more speeding tickets, no more murders, no more drugs, and no more theft... but wait!!! i forgot... those things still happened even though some of them have been illegal since the bible was written... so please, i beg of you, please tell me how writing more laws is going to achieve anything more than what has been achieved in the last 2000 years.

gilamonster

How come the liberal media is only focusing on the NY arsonist Bushmaster? Why don’t we hear, “ He bludgeoned his old grandmother to death with a 20 ounce Estwing claw hammer, the same type used by many carpenters and easily bought at any hardware store, then used a lighter that’s easily bought at any c-store to set the neighborhood ablaze, then some idiot liberal parole board released him into society because he was rehabilitated”?

Ban weapons of mass murder, so you don’t mind walking or riding a horse to work? Or giving up a woman’s right to vacuum her unborn kid out? I already know the stats, but I bet you more people died on Ohio roads the last two days than by Ohio guns. In 2011 around 1010 people died in accidents, with about 150 on cycles; 344 people in Ohio died from firearms; you tell me what kills more? If your so paranoid about dying keep that hog in your garage.

Social media, so you are saying social media is a problem? I agree. Not only do you see kids with guns, but kids racing cars on the street kids snorting coke, kids preparing for some dumb zombie apocalypse, kids beating the tar out of each other, flashing gang signs, kids making flame throwers, and so on. We made the problem. I agree. Something is seriously wrong with our culture today where life has zero value.

sanduskysteve

Funny you should mention that 334 more people were killed by firearms in Ohio alone than in Japan during the same time period. How is it that their gun control works and ours doesn't??? Can you answer that? Don't take my word for it - look it up. If you multiply Ohio's number by 50 states how does that number come out? And compare it to 10 for a whole country. Something is wrong with what we are doing - someone has to have an answer to this? I have mentioned it over nad over and not a single person wants to comment to it. Why? Because it's true that if gun control is implemented and done properly - it DOES work. But at the same time, the NRA goes bye-bye and, of course, we cna't have that. Think about this - is it possible that gun violence went up during the assault rifle ban because assault rifle owners were on a rampage determined to prove that the ban wouldn't work??? This is the one thing to fear about increased gun control. And that just shows that current gun owners are a real danger.

Oh yea, just wanted to mention that your hero George Bush quit the NRA due to their response to the mass murder of those kids in CT. Hmmmm. There were 4 other top leaders who followed suit - mostly Republicans. Why?

vicariouslyAlive

and trust me, killing someone with a hammer or a knife shows deep seeded mental problems... problems that are now being overlooked because rifles are the hot topic... no one cares that he murdered before, no one care about the extremely graphic nature of his first crime, it's all being eclipsed because he used a rifle the second time... the media makes me sick.

oh, him being insane with a past of violent actions wasn't the cause... it's the guns fault that he wanted to set the neighborhood on fire... blaming the gun because of the person with their finger on the trigger for a murder is like blaming a pencil for misspelling words.

Kimo

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Contango

@ Kimo:

Better cool the sanctimoniousness.

The U.S. is the largest arms dealer in the world. As an ardent Obama supporter you're complicit in the military industrial complex and the deaths of thousands of innocents worldwide.

4shizzle

Kimo

Their fingers must get real tired.

2cents

(There is not enough law enforcement in this country to stop that kind of behavior)

Correct, so stop the dribble out of Hollywood glamorizing firearms and the problem will get better in time!

vicariouslyAlive

kimo... again, when you cant fight the facts you turn to personal attack...

luvblues2

I can't believe that you all give Matt this many posts when he only opined. Emil asked for law director quotes. Matt jumped on his (Emil) coattail because he saw an opportunity. Have you ever watched Matt talk on his BTL crap? The guy takes as long to ask or answer a question as it would take a snail to walk from the Register building to Cedar Freakin' Point. Emil knows his questions and answers before hand. Is it not evident?

Dr. Information

Matt got what he wanted. A pointless forum war. Weak.

luvblues2

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