Integrity probe subject to interpretation

Matt Westerhold
Mar 23, 2010

So Sandusky police Chief Kim Nuesse and her attorney want some documentation about the allegations against her.

The nerve.

We’ve been asking for that documentation, too -- specifically the notes commissioner Brian Crandall used to grill Nuesse during the Feb. 26 ambush meeting. That’s the meeting where the former firefighter interrogated Nuesse in his certain style while commissioners Dennis Murray Jr. and Craig Stahl, and fire Chief Mike Meinzer and city manager Matt Kline sat idly by.

But city law director Don Icsman contends those notes are not public record, which flies in the face of the legal advice I have been given.

“Personal notes are not public record,” Icsman told me.

But those notes, on a yellow legal pad, are public record if they deal in any way with city business. Icsman said he had not even reviewed the notes since we made a public records request for them, so I just don’t understand how he could make that determination.

And it still baffles me that Kline launched this “integrity probe” of Chief Nuesse with more than a few lies. The one that stands out is his assertion “the entire police department” complained about Nuesse. It’s just not true.

Icsman didn’t seem too concerned, however, and when I asked about Kline’s “entire police department” assertion. That’s subject to interpretation, he said.

“Don, what other interpretation can one make?”

And so it goes... the bogus investigation continues. I hope Nuesse and her attorney, K. Ronald Bailey, get the documents they want. But with Crandall slinking away to Huron soon, I doubt we’ll ever see that public record.

Comments

Anonymous

Welcome back Matt!!!!! Thanks for a new subject on your blog. Get enough digs in on the Democrats did you??

Anonymous

Looks like Crandall and the other worms are trying to crawl away from the can of worms that was opened up.

Keep shining the light on the worms, Matt.

Anonymous

Ever see that public record, isn't it a crime to do away with such records. Absolutely we will see those records, and from what I hear, soon!

Anonymous

With a comment like that one...seems to me you are quite the WORM yourself. Why can't people just WAIT until the investigation is complete before running off at the mouth. Most don't even know what they are talking about, including Westerhold. He and the register are so bias it is pathetic.

Who knows...at the end of all this YOU might be the ones crawling. Don't be SO full of yourselves!

Anonymous

Wait until the investigation is complete.In a free society ,we have to make sure we see the whole panorama of the human behavior behind the scene.A bad department head that doesn't honor a union contract that the commissioners agreed to and is an instigatorand disrespecful to the Union.Should resign or be termiated.

Anonymous

So if there was a union issue with the chief, why are we paying for a witch hunt when a grievance could have been filed? Unless of course, there was no violation of the contract and the dysfunctional union cry babies got the three stooges to go after the chief and now one of them is bailing out to Huron Township where there is no city income tax....

QUALITY ASSURANCE

Exactly. Where is the greivance filed by "the entire police department" with their union? There are proper channels for everything and these channels were not used. Something is fishy here.

Anonymous

Face it, we still know nothing about what the alleged misconduct is. I'm fairly sure the entire police department did not file a complaint against the chief. I have no idea what the lies or misrepresentation may be as far a regional dispatch are concerned. I do not think the chief had anything personal to gain out of this. Did she think she was acting in the best interest of the community when this alleged wrongdoing took place? Isn't that what she is paid to do, look out for the community? Maybe save some taxpayer dollars? Yes the city manager works at the pleasure of the city commission, and the city commission works FOR US. We as taxpaying citizens we should have some voice in this. Maybe it will come down to choosing the chief over certain others in the community.

Regardless, I want to know what the exact problem is before I decide if is an integrity problem with the chief. I want to see unrefutable documentation. Only then will I decide if the chief is dishonest. Until then all we can do is speculate.

Anonymous

Great comments, Matt! We so don't want Crandall in Huron, either. However, perhaps this worm will end up on the end of a fish hook at the Huron pier. Really not good for much else, me thinks!

Anonymous

his lips were moving but there was nothing coming out. mr. westerhold please remember who you are dealing with. the master of stealth, half truth,shell games,and a blatant hatred and total disregard for anyone who is a threat to expose him for his incompentency. he has survived at 222 meigs st. since 1998 using these and other methods. he has no conscience. in life, truth and honesty will eventually triumph.this is what one can only hope for.

Anonymous

i feel sorry for city mgr. matt kline. someone at city hall (with the courage)

should give him a heads up before it's too late.

Anonymous

will someone on the city commission please lead? you were elected to legislate local govt. however,matt kline, don icsman, ed widman, & joyce brown work directly for you! take control of your administration. the abyss we are falling into has no bottom. accountabilty starts at the TOP. call an executive session (without your administrators present) and do what is right for the citizens and taxpayers of sandusky. it only takes 4 commissioners to show real courage. please don't fail in your responsibilites.

Anonymous

The cops belong to a union and they are big boys and know how to file a grievance and they didn't file one, just plain and simple. Crandall's notes are already in the shredder. Here is a thought: I wonder if Crandall was offered a deal, resign or be sued; that would make sense.

Anonymous

Destruction of a public record is a crime. The SR needs to keep up the heat on all city commissioners and the city lawless director.

Anonymous

What law school did Westerhold attend?

Answer :I Know It All University.

Anonymous

Re:Quality Assurance : I can see you don't have a clue about the Union grievance system.A Bad Department Head/Police Chief can keep the grievance under wraps at her step/desk,and keep the grievances from the City Manager and City Commissioners.Trust me Bad Department Heads are common today in the STATE-COUNTY-MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS.Trust Me Bad Depratment Heads do exist and that is the reason the government has the open-door policy.In a free society,we have to make sure we see the whole panorama of the human behavior behind the scene and you get a true picture.Did you get the picture about a Bad Department Head AND trust me , we have alot more in the County-City-State Governments.

Anonymous

Re: Quality Assurance : Bad Department Heads that don't honor union contracts , and instigate/ stir the pot/disrespectful to the union and union officials.Should Resign/ Be Forced To Resign/Termiated.Do you get the whole/clear/big pitcher .

Anonymous

Re: Quality Assurance : Bad Department Heads that don't honor union contracts , and instigate/ stir the pot/disrespectful to the union and union officials.Should Resign/ Be Forced To Resign/Termiated.Do you get the whole/clear/big picture .

Anonymous

THIS CASE WILL SHAKE UP THIS CITY!! --- BUT THE REGISTER NEEDS TO STEP UP!

This city manager is quite ignorant of his bounds of authority. Mr Bailey, as a defense attorney, I assume, is quite happy with the city's (and Icsman's) support in this matter against a professional, accredited woman.

In all my years of covering judicial, city, county and law enforcement, have never seen such a bogus attempt of "withholding alleged evidence" against the chief, AND YET, wanting to depose her. That's called "fishing, my God we don't have a case!"

NOW. Mr. Westerhold. This should have been done awhile back. I Know, trust me, this anonymous former journalist:

Talk to your best, experienced reporter. One who has not burned "too many bridges in the city" and have that person begin making contacts with every police officer.

Tell the officers that, "so help me God I will never divulge what you can tell me." Get ONE, only one, to break the mold, then there is ammunition to share, such as, "Other officers have told me that.......and I will never reveal their names....nor yours." "Do you have a problem with the chief?"

This is what investigative reporting is all about. Read these blogs Matt. They all deal with your job, your responsibility. Been there done that. You've stuck your neck out Vs. the city, now, go the rest of the way. I still have faith in The Register.

Anonymous

Re:Cobbwebb : You know what, FYI if Chief Nuesse doesn't resign her Dirt/Record File will be open/exposed to the public/citizens of the Sandusky area.Then Kim's dog & pony circus show will no longer be under wraps.Kim should have listen to erie county commissioner Tom Ferrell when told, you will do what your bosses tell you to do.Kim has No Union to protect her, just the EEOC & local attorney.She works at the direction of the city manager Matt Kline and the Sandusky City Commissioners.Tust Me Kim doesn't have the time frame to wait on the EEOC.Chief Nuesse knows she work under the direction of city manager Matt Kline and the Sandusky City Commissions being her bosses.

Anonymous

Chief Nuesse you know what they say, once the Big Top Circus Shows begins.The Big Top Show will be nothing like your dog & pony show as the say, welcome my friend to the show thay never ends step inside step inside and let the show begin.

Anonymous

first time blogger. Matt, you got to talk to the deity in person, good for you. A couple of points to ponder: the chief issue is playing out just like the Mulvin issue did. Classic Iceman manuvering. The outside lawyers lead to blaming the recently retired board member. Check out your archives, circa 2003. The nice lady from housing ends up in the water department, with her 3 weeks off with out pay paid for. Ikemans lip quivers when he is lying, which is most of the time. Also Matt, if you go to the archives, get the picture of Don with his his eyes an veins popping out as he belittles an associate (archives, circa 1999). A picture tells a thousand words. Finally, one request please; How much money does the law department cost the city each year? Keep in mind that Don transfers legal costs to each department that he investigates, so don't just look a the law department books. Thanks Matt, you're a good dude.

Anonymous

Well you said it in a nutshell Matt..."DON ICSMAN says..."

Everybody knows he has never recovered from losing to O'Brien and probably never will. He has been on the hunt for a juicy piece of garbage to sink his teeth into for more than 10 years now.

Poor Donny boy, life's a ______, but you don't gotta behave like one. Pretend you really did attend Law School and start acting like it! Justify that 6 figure salary.

Anonymous

Do you got it hard for Kim or what? You must be one of the guys missing your free bottled water. BOO HOO!

And all this time I thought you were chopped up rotting in a pool of concrete in MI somewhere and here you are ALIVE AND WELL festering in Sandusky OH. BRAVO.

Anonymous

dear don icsman,

resign from your"position"at 222 meigs st. you have destroyed to many people,their carrers and caused sandusky much grief since 1998. your true calling in life is"variety villge" on market st.

p.s. maybe the murray & murray law firm will bring you back.

Anonymous

Matt: Why can't you find out the real reason Crandall is resigning? A newspaper man and you still can't get a handle on this as yet.

Anonymous

I can see you don't have a clue and apparently have a hard time understanding what an ,intense hostile work envirorment is.That type of Micro Managing scare and intimidation tactics is old school.Anti-Union issues are very common with department heads in the work place today ( city-county-state type of governments ). Let the evaluation of police chief Nuesse run it's course.Remember the POLICE CHIEF Nuesse takes her directions from City Manager Matt Kline and the city commissioners being her Bosses.( FYI: James P. Hoffa is the General President of the Internal Brotherhood of Teamsters) was elected in 1998 and is the only son of James R. Hoffa former General President of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters.

Anonymous

Let her be number #2 at PPD!

Anonymous

How come their is no story on 12 Perkins teachers fired? I sure the taxpayers in the township would like to know why the highest paid teachers in the state, who receive FREE healthcare, got busted for insurance fraud.

Anonymous

Re:Gota an idea ! You know it won't belong and the twilight zone /Perkins Township Police Chief McCung will be in the same boat as chief Nuesse .

Anonymous

Matt Westerhold, is there something about you that you havent told us? I mean is there some position you hold that warrants you, as a low life news paper reporter, to get private documents? I am sure we will all see them when this is over, why dont you have a little patience???

Anonymous

Matt, Where is Murman's billing for the housing and police investigations? The people have the right to know how much this is all costing us.

Anonymous

You are an a**hole! Not to mention the biggest idiot I have ever seen try and report the news! You couldn't report on dirt! Do everyone in Erie and teh surrouding counties a favor retire or quit! Let someone who really has a knack for this job do it. Instead of putting other people in harms way!

Anonymous

Still waiting for the story on Perkins Teachers wtf???

Anonymous

Thank God your brother can't hear you

Anonymous

Anyone working over there?

WHO: Perkins Teachers
WHAT: Got Fired
WHEN: 5 days ago
WHERE: Perkins Township
WHY: Uh we would like to know, would someone there please do their job?

Bob

Personal notes are not public record?

Nixon used HIS recorder for the Watergate tapes, and guess what, the Supreme Court said to turn them over!

outsider

Come on, you don't know what his notes said?

"Nuesse is an outsider. Fire her so we can hire somone who is from the area."

Anonymous

Hey Matt,

I must commend you on your recent insertion of the "Days off" and "cost to the tax payers" photo shoot of your girl Kimberly-nice touch-how long you gonna keep this up? Why don't the two of you just run off together and then you can have your engaugement photo put in this rag - Hummmmmm?????

Anonymous

@ Bob

You are making a fundmental mistake in applying the law in Ohio. In Ohio, the US Constitution doesn't apply.

Little known fact.. Ohio never ratified the 14th Amendment (equal protection of the law passed as a result of the Civil War) up until a couple of years ago. Some UC law students discovered the fact and made the legislature adopt the the Amendment.

Sort of explains why this state is viewed as primitive/backwards (legally speaking and its Supreme Court viewed as the least noteworthy (based on decisions cited by others/population)

It's a shame that the SR didn't publish yesterday's opinion piece on Nuesse's right to documents..to know of what she is accused. It's call notice and is a fundamental part of due process. It was a brief and common sense piece that would appeal to fair minded Americans.

@ Hummmm

I'd like to know how much Don Icsman's buddy Mike Murman's investigation costs per day.

Anonymous

Chief Nuesse is becoming old news,when she is gone nobody will miss her.

Anonymous

Gee Liz,
You almost sound like one of those high priced attorneys. You out to hang out a shingle.

Anonymous

You sound a lot like Brett Kinzel giving Kevin Baxter head..or maybe it;s the other way around :)

Anonymous

You almost sound like a man getting down to business.