Change is good

Matt Westerhold
Mar 23, 2010

 

The last paragraph from the Murman report executive summary recommends Kim Nuesse not be reinstated as Sandusky police chief "unless the city is prepared for the wholesale replacement of the command and support staff."

So be it.

Comments

Anonymous

If Westerhold prints it, it must be true, ya right!

TT

Others have asked you to remove libelous information from these comments. Look below for your best example; I should know - I mistakenly took my own part in posting unsubstantiated nonsense about the Dr. I notice that many pleas to remove libelous information, that themselves appear on this very comment board, are ignored. Why is this? Don't you think you should be consistent, and look into ALL these pleas equally? Wouldn't it make sense to comply with this request coming from the likes Dr. Baumgartner since she does it without anonymity, here on the comment board, and instead of immediately threatening legal action, politely asks you time after time to watch what's being posted about her? Can you please do more than 1 response every week and half? Can you please tell us the REAL number of phone calls from angry public officials you receive over these comment boards? Can you tell me why Register writers can crank out story after story with not much more than rumors with no new information day by day, and yet these public comment boards demand a level of journalistic integrity not held by the Register staff? Can you tell me why some honest-to-goodness opinions (phrases that start with "I believe" or "IMO") are deleted, since opinions and beliefs cannot be legally miscontrued for libel?

Anonymous

TO: "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ---

That was a well-written, and in my opinion, factual account and chronology of "all" which has transpired in this city's "current" debacle.

Icsman and Kline have crossed the line with their immature, unprofessional decisions. How about The Register asking both these men to "volunteer" to a polygraph examination, in order to prove to us skeptics that they do not have a personal, private agenda, nor do they have a prejudice against the chief.

Of course the Register would pay for this "no-reason-not-to" service.

Crackhead

i'd like those questions answered, as well as why there has been NO follow up story to the Margaretta water story. i as well as many others live out here and have very small children. is there a reason why we aren't getting any information?

Anonymous

Why did you delete some comments from the Job Store blog? They weren't libelous, slanderous or defaming. They could be construed as such if they were untrue facts. They were the opnions of people and were consistent. The posts were true and did indeed mention one employee by name, Elvira. All posts mentioning her by name were removed. Why when comments in other posts also list people by name? The posts were true and detailed many people's experience at the Job Store. The experiences address her lack of professionalism and didn't appear to be written to hurt her through lies but rather to point out truths. The similar stories pointed out her lack of professionalism and that she brings race into the mix when selecting which job seekers to help.

Delete comments if they are shown to be intentionally false but the facts are the facts and although they may hurt they are facts!

Anonymous

Ya, I would like to know what's going on with the water too. I'm out here in Castalia and everytime I take I drink of water, I'm wondering what's in it. Elsebeth, you are not the only one that's made these allegations. I know of someone who told the police about some cocaine dealings with certain people and the allegations were never investigated.

Anonymous

Sunshine and other forms of bright illumination have been a problem at Sandusky City Hall for many years.One can reasonably suspect that Manager Kline -- a former politico/office holder in southern Ohio -- was the choice of the current crop of commissioners because they were certain he would carry their water and not make any effort to impede their hairbrain schemes.

While previous Manager Will had serious shortcomings, the one the commissioners found most disturbing was that Will didn't know when to get out of their way. This was never more apparent than when he hired the current police chief; a woman who is clearly a professional and a chief who sees it as her job to remake the Sandusky police department into an organization that reflects her professionalism.

Retired Capt. Frankowski hit it spot-on.

Sandusky has historically been a community in which betterment for the few has been the top priority. The "common good" has never been a consideration at city hall.

Unfortunately, the same must also be said for the County Commission and those who think Perkins Township is but a fiefdom.

Should you wish to understand why Sandusky and Erie County is a community which the world has largely passed by, look no farther than the 'elected' leaders who believe Joe and Mary Doe are dummies who need to be led by the nose; cretins incapable of intelligent thought.

concerned

I think this whole issue smells. I believe Kline should be the one being questioned on his ability to be in charge.

Anonymous

Under the circumstances, I think you folks do a fine with the comments. It adds a lot to the site and makes me read it twice a day. Most do not understand, it is the job of the SR to REPORT news, not make news.

TT

They don't report news well, and when that's too much work, they use our comments to make something up. So, Actually, you're half right; the Register doesnt' make news (or report it, 0); it allows us to make news for it, then gives it punctuation and plenty of spin, innuendo, and unanswered questions, then prints it. We do the work!

TT

Like I've said before, though, we shouldn't expect an sort of response to our queries in a timely manner. When you do reply, Mr. White, can you give us real answers, or will you continue to dance around our questions?

Anonymous

This will be my last comment on this blog. I have found the maturity level of a large number of individuals to be somewhere in about the six-year-old range. They call people names, they question any opinion that isn't their own, they accuse people with mature valid opinions of being know-it-alls and they downgrade people just to make themselves feel better. THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT.

People question why we "hide behide our keyboards"? Well why not? The few people who have the nerve to use their names are treated with disrespect and outright contempt at times. AND the people who are acting so poorly don't ever put their names out there either.

Well this know-it-all, hiding behind her keyboard has had enough. KIM, I will continue to support you with a phone and mail campaign directed at the City Manager and Commissioners offices. And please know there are many "me's" out their who are doing the same. What a shame that the more mature citizens of Sandusky aren't the only ones with access to keyboards.

What a shame that the accusations leveled against you are somehow being hidden behind office doors, as well. Good luck Kim, we're rooting for you.

Anonymous

I have posted on here many times, commenting on different stories from the fiasco/dealings with police (molesters), sexual molestors, City, Twnshp. Govt.as well as School Officials, etc., whom IMO, I FEEL DON'T OR HAVE NOT CONDUCTED BUSINESS FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE on the UP-N-UP! We've read a crap load lately! I have had posts removed, and I find it ironic which ones you remove!. I am well aware that due to my IP address, you at the SR know who I am, and have often wondered if you've shared that info. with anyone?! Yeah, a tad paranoid at times, but I get over it and post my thoughts anyways! I once commented to a friend that works at the SR as well as wrote a PERSONAL LETTER TO THE EDITOR (with good reason, I might add, incl. my name, address and ph.# should he care to contact me regarding the topic), that if you all want story hour I would be more than willing to sit and talk. However, what I would have to say would be truth, not fabrication! It came from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE! When discussing things, the truth can be hard to prove, cause it means someone else would have to be WILLING TO BE HONEST! You see, for some, HONESTEY ISN'T THE BEST POLICY! Far too much for too many to lose! Why? It's been going on for FAR TOO LONG! You know, for a long time now they've been saying Mrs. Baum. is a CRAZY, INSANE WOMAN! I thought that myself! Personally, it is of my opinion that there just may be SOME SUBSTANCE to the things that she says, other than just being fabrications and ramblings! I could never imagine putting myself in the position she has for NOTHING! You see, I am a voter, a taxpayer, and I take that responsiblity seriously and have great respect for it! I NEED TO KNOW that the people I am casting a vote for, are working for THE PEOPLE, not just themselves and their little interest groups and personal agendas! When you gonna realize, PEOPLE WILL RESPECT WHAT YOU DO/PRINT, WHEN YOU DO IT TO BENEFIT ALL, not just a chosen few. Just how willing are you, to coin a phrase you used, to help remove that VIEL OF SECRECEY?

Anonymous

I am sure Mr. White can defend himself, but I find it odd that you think he owes you something. He role is not really that of the "Answer Man". You sound like a spoiled brat. Your mama should have taught you to be nicer to people. Have you missed your medication again?

Anonymous

I think you and tt both need to get on a regular schedule for your medications, you in particular sound like you may harm yourself or someone else soon. Go watch some cartoons until you calm down.

Anonymous

This question was never answered:

Why did the Register remove this post wrote on Mar 11, 2008 4:18 PM:

" I am curious to read your explanation for the removal of Grassroots American Values' post. Since it was not "clearly libelous, defamatory, threatening, or abusive," is someone at the Register going to suffer "immediate disciplinary action"? "

Anonymous

It's one of his/her many handles. His/her posts are easily spotted b/c they're always ramblimg claptrap. This person is whacked out, and hopefully is typing away form within a locked down facility.

Anonymous

Dear "Grassroots American Values":

We deleted your post b/c after a thoughtful analysis, we think you are a complete douchebag.

Please leave us alone.

Thanks.

Anonymous

below

enough

I would think that having FIVE blogs going on Chief Nuesse is a little excessive and reflects directly on your paper; seems that you allow these things to develope a life of their own with no regard for those involved; and I question how much written in your paper is factual when in fact not all officers have complained and there are no written warnings in her file; and seeing how your paper controls what blogs are printed it would be easy for your paper to fuel this by choosing which are printed; she was approved and hired to do a job yet in this area part of the description un written is "thou shall not step on sacred toes"

Anonymous

It would appear that several pathetic posters instead of positively acting to hold elected officials accountable for derelictions in duty would rather direct their wholly misplaced frustrations at the staff of the SR.

Why instead of salving your ego are you not contacting those bureaucrats who are actually accountable and could address your issues?

Obviously, writing complaints on a blog makes some of you posters appear as though you’re actually accomplishing something when in reality it simply amounts to feel good nonsense.

To paraphrase Rene Descartes – You complain, therefore you are.

Anonymous

that some of the problems with the Chief started when she went over/under/around the "dispatch merger committee"; making it worse was working with McClung as he has his own problems; from the make up of that committee it would seem some big toes were stepped on and now it is payback time so hopefully Chief Nuesse can hang on; common sense would dictate that county be in charge and that would be the easy solution for all those "concerned"

TT

@Dear Register, @tt, etc. (it's the same person anyway):

You sound like a broken recordf. Can't you find a different insult? You know, other than the tired, old "medication" one, seeing as I'm not really rambling, just hoping my questions will be answered? Is it foolish or pointless to want to hold the city paper as accountable as the city commission, as they, until this Nuesse farce, have gone hand in hand? It seems that our city government won't even talk to normal people; they just have the Register filter through what they want people to hear. Wouldn't the Register be a good instrument for unearthing the reality of our local gov't.?

TT

@Dear Register, @tt, etc. (it's the same person anyway):

You sound like a broken record. Can't you find a different insult? You know, other than the tired, old "medication" one, seeing as I'm not really rambling, just hoping my questions will be answered? Is it foolish or pointless to want to hold the city paper as accountable as the city commission, as they, until this Nuesse farce, have gone hand in hand? It seems that our city government won't even talk to normal people; they just have the Register filter through what they want people to hear. Wouldn't the Register be a good instrument for unearthing the reality of our local gov't.?

Anonymous

My God, Mr. whoever you are! "TT", a White? Related to Dudley? Dave's nephew?

For a person who boasts about his unique college graduate credentials, You have, with what you have written above, proven you shoot from the hip -- that you protect "public elected officials" absent ANY any effort to "learn" that "They" are NOT protected by the laws of libel, slander and defamation like that of the ordinary citizen. When they ran for office, they chose to live in a glass house. Look at Black's Law Dictionary. The definition of "Public -- and -- Private Persons."

You have got so much egg on your face in the short time you have been at The Register, that it's affecting your brain. Remember, you are shooting from the hip with your reasonings to your readers/bloggers. Have at it with me Mr. TT.

You are a danger to the profession of journalism.

TT

Tiger II, when Nick White wrote in his blog headline "tt wrote...," he was referring to a post I (that's tt, just so we're straight)had made on his earlier blog. I, as the real tt, am perhaps one of his more constant detractors. WHO'S got egg on their face?

Anonymous

SO?

Anonymous

SO? who is "TT?" An employee. A department head? I still don't get it. If you are on staff, what is your name?

Anonymous

Hey dip poop, I've red these last few things and even I would like to knoe if you Mr. White are this TT guy. And that yelloe stuff on your face is not pizza cheese. you lost!

Anonymous

TT is a head all right aD&%khead

Anonymous

So will somebody please clear this up. Is TT Mr.White.Is 007 TT I`m so confused

Anonymous

I think in one of his earlier blogs Mr. white said he was TT

Anonymous

Mighty King of Sandusky

Your loyal servant, Baroness Bootmaker of the Black Forest earnestly seeks an audience with your royal highness. Confusion abounds within your realm. Lord, hear our prayer for relief.

Anonymous

For those who are confused, here's the story. On his inaugral blog, Mr. White used a comment from "tt" as his topic. "tt" is not Mr. White, but I am fairly certain that he is a thorn in Mr. White's side.

Therefore, you must decide: is it Mr. White w/egg on his face or his nemesis, "tt"?

TT

No, I'm not on staff, Tiger II. If you pay attention, it's not that hard to follow.

TT

To Re: Tiger II - I'm so proud of you, graduating from strained, overdone "medication" jokes to not quite being man enough to type out a whole obscenity. Did your mother give you a cookie or a medal?

Anonymous

Above it states:

One of the most important functions the press plays in our society is that we provide a channel for real whistleblowers to get their messages out. If instead of posting his comment on the site, our whistleblower had contacted a reporter or an editor, things would have worked out very differently.

That is the funniest load of crap I have heard in years. I used to work for the Register, they are too afraid of the local powerbrokers to do a real whistleblower story. They had dozens of them handed to them when I was there, none of them investigated.

Anonymous

Baroness: I am not even sure what is going on. Part of my confusion may stem from the King's tying one on yeterday whilst 'celebrating' at a local watering hole.

Anonymous

HEY "TT"

When I read your one blog referring to me and "obcenities," I was confused....until I read what had been attributed to me in another blog. NOT ME! I do NOT use profanity in any form......except for "damn." That slips out once in awhile.

Someone's having fun with us both.

Terry

Ithink the whole city commitioners should be investigated.it seems like every time they hire somebody new they try to find dirt on them.

Anonymous

we are over looking the real problem with the nuesse investigation.(our executive-official form of government.)Nameless faceless decisions are made that no one person is responsable for.We need a real mayor who deals with issues like merging dispatches and who the chief of police answers to.Out of our frustration with with the ex- off system we blame "the old boys club" an entity that in reality doesnt exist.the old boys are for the most part hard working public servants who love thier city.let us not direct our discontent at a misconceived notion of an old boys club but at the real problem our executive official system of government.

TT

I think I was responding to your responder at 7:59 (his name was "Re: Tiger II"). Sorry about any confusion.

Anonymous

tt has this problem with his medications, he gets confused often. So, just pay him no attention, like his mother does.

Anonymous

tt is taking it on the chin. What has he done to you, except post some relatively well thought out stuff? I think you're all just piling on. Instead of making stupid remarks, why not raise counter points? In the alternative, you can all munch my taint.

Crackhead

i'd rather read t.t.'s point of veiw than most of this other trash. i don't always agree but at least it's well written and has some insight. i'll never get the reasoning behind the whole--" i don't agree so rather than debate the issue i'll just act like a baby." ---

TT

That's a shame. Here I thought you had moved on from the old "medication" jokes; you should read more of my posts and reap wisdom from them. Maybe you can piece together an original and valid insult one of these days. In fact, it's the simple fact that I take my medicationss every day that protects me from stooping to your aimless crying and poorly-constructed sniping. How droll! :) By the way, thanks to the rest of you for the compliments.

Anonymous

Mr. Westerhold, perhaps you should wait to see what the investigation produces, instead of searhing for all these ridiculous angles to this issue. And talk about a "Witch Hunt", why is it that you are on this mission to make the cops look bad? I remember when the SR was a nice paper to open up and read GOOD stories. I mean is it not possible, even a little , that Nuesse deserves this? What is it about her that makes you want to automatically jump into her boat? You know nothing, yet you have taken a stand and chosen the side you will stand on when all this is said and done. I mean are you just trying to sell papers? are you trying to make a name for yourself, becuase you work at a dinky small town paper? Have you recently gotten a ticket and are just disgruntled about that? What is it Mr. Westerhold? You know nothing about what you speak, no one does, so please until this comes out, and it will, stop attacking the cops....

reader

Matt, do you think allowing anonymous postings contributes anything positive to our community?

Read through the postings left after some recent stories.

Have you no shame?

Anonymous

To tt:

Thank you for your posts pointing out the Register's inverted standards on libel and defending others' rights to post here without personal attacks.

What concerns me is that Mr. White doesn't seem to understand the historical significance of Deep Throat in that the Register has adopted policies that run counter to transparency.

If White ran the Washington Post, Woodward and Bernstein would have been told to shut down the investigation because Nixon called the newspaper and threatened to sue.

Then again maybe Mr. White is referring to the lessons he learned learned from the flick. After all The Register swallows anything coming from certain officials. : )

Anonymous

oh give it a rest. if she's wrong so be it. if she's right so be it. let the investigation go on and get over with. get to the bottom of the whole thing. enough is enough

Crackhead

mr. white- all of this is great, but i'd really like to see a follow up on my Margaretta water situation. that to me is a lot more important than most of these other stories you guys are tackling. you say that you are running the show--- let's see some action.

Anonymous

maybe you should look over the posts on Cheet adviser alledly serves spirits posts and then talk about the registers high standards. a lot of nasty stuff is being posted there.

TT

There's a solution. Margaretta can bring in spirits from the homes of Huron cheerleaders and advisors. We'd kill several birds with one stone: Huron could make a little money, Margaretta Twp. would have to worry about contamination - they'd have the cleanest drinks around! - and it'd be a big step in "regionalizing" the county. :)

Crackhead

a great idea. you have my respect. not that you need it. regionalization is not only a big word but it's also not a real word. i think we are moving in that direction though.i haven't really stopped to think about what that means until just this second. could there really be an actual push for this, and who benefits?

TT

But I appreciate it all the same, and have been trying hard to clean up my posts and tone myself down to earn it. As for regionalization, I see benefits, but too difficult a battle uphill. A lot of the local resistance is actually more recently inspired, I believe; people don't like what they see in Cleveland, for example, with good reason.

Anonymous

Nick White gives great deep throat!

Anonymous

The findings by the State in the Housing department related to improper contracts by the City of Sandusky in the Housing program strongly suggest that the law director Don Icsman has been derelict in preforming his duties.

The fact that Don Icsman improperly hired a private attorney (Mike Murman) to "investigate" these irregularities that arise from Icsman's failure to insitute proper policies and procedures matters months before the state got involved stinks. Murman has yet to file a report. Thus it appears Murman wasn't investigating anything but running interference (smoke screen) for Icsman and implicated City employees on improper contracting procedures and the lack of policies.

Now that same private attorney has been improperly hired to investigate Chief Nuesse. Murman will not get to the bottom of anything. His entire purpose is to create a distraction from the scandal of the widespread illegal expenditures including his own contracts that are the norm in Sandusky.

Chief Nuesse presented a threat to business as usual among the lawyers d contractors, and sad to say some police officers who have helped themselves to public money due no oversight or accountibility.

How much longer will this farce go on before the Commisioners fire Icsman and refer these matters to the FBI and or AG BCI?

observer

Time for you to update this blog Matt...surly you have more "insight" to share.

Anonymous

You are on the right track on this one Matt. City workers will talk to you if you ask. They'll give you the true inside information you are looking for. All everybody wants is the truth, regardless of where it might lead.

test

!@#$%^&*()_+

Anonymous

Matt, the fella's in the housing department aren't criminals, turns out they just have problems being legal. This investigation has failed, and the chiefs' will probably go the same way. Is it safe to say that some guidance from the law director could have avoided that housing department issue? Let's hear from the law deity himself on these issues. He's the only one that has been around during the entire period of chaos in the department.

Crackhead

Matt- this is the way i see it. i read all comments on here and take them for what they are worth. #1 murman is not far enough outside the loop on this witch hunt. #2 kline seems to be the puppet, doing what a few of the commissioners tell him to do. #3 a few of the more or less intelligent commissioners have stayed out of this. they either don't have an opinion or they are afraid to say because of repercussions. #4 the rest of the commission are sticking together, pulling strings and pushing their own agendas, some of which have been speculated and others that haven't come to light yet.#5 Nuesse is a scapegoat for them as i see it, she isn't the puppet they had hoped for. they don't like that and are set on eliminating her via the witch hunt. she actually may have found out how corrupt and what a real mess this county/ city really are. --- we as taxpayers and citizens probably never will find out the real story as i'm surewhen all is said and done , she dare not speak it or she legally won't be allowed. what a great operation. if you can't get your way--- remove them.

Anonymous

Not another Nuesse story,give me a break.

Anonymous

Why are you so obsessed with Nuesse? Enough already! Don't you people have anything else to write about? My gosh Matt, it's like your world is revolving around her! If there is such a thing as "journalistic stalking", you win hands down. CREEPY!!

Anonymous

Crackhead is close to accurate. The commission is guided by the most powerful man downtown, heir Ikeman. Matt Kline also works for the law department. He just doesn't know it yet. Sandusky was a police state for many years, maybe it still is, but now that things are changing in the PD, the tenured people downtown are having a hard time accepting it. No offense Crackhead, your right about most of it, but you give the commish and kline way to much credit, or blame.

Anonymous

Matt your instincts and persistence are not what the "good ole boys" are used to as evidenced by posters numbers 2 & 3 below. Keep up the attention on this bogus investigation by placing a spotlight on this witch hunt and know that you and the SR are having an impact. Don't stop with the city mess as the "good ole boy" network is far more pervasive than this police chief fiasco. Keep up the great work and continue to set an example for the rest of your staff who may be intertwined with the network you are taking on....

Anonymous

Hey Elsematt,

The Register is now Erie Voices. Nice work, "journalist." Hahahahahaha.

Anonymous

Matt...you need to follow the connection between the City, County and Perkins Twsp that exists through the Democratic party. After all, that's where the Ferrell's, Murray's etc. are clearly connected to where T Ferrell can threaten Nuesse with disciplinary action if she doesn't follow her bosses. Not sure if Crandall is D also.

Rude McGootch

Typical City of Sandusky buffoonery! Even though we have our own buffoon occupying a trustee seat, I sure am glad I live south of the border. I have a great idea! Sandusky needs to pay for an investigator to investigate why their paid "Special Investigator" is investigating unsubstantiated rumors and innuendo that was investigated by an unauthorized individual.

Anonymous

first of all i question you calling yourself a journalist, but if websters says you are, i guess youre just not a very good one. secondly, which officers did you speak to, or dont they have the balls to come forward like the others? stay out of it or better yet, report the news objectively or without bias, which is what i thought a newspaper was supposed to do.....

Anonymous

Crandall says he learned of the investigation from one of the staff? Who told Crandall what was going on in the police dept. the housing dept was walked out as criminals., the state investigates and says no criminals there. the city and murmon are still investigating even though the state is done. the same will happen with the chief. murman will clear her, but she'll quit anyway, with a well deserved payout. but thats good for the good ole boys, cause they can beat up on the next guy to come through the system. Remember chief, bad systems rid themselves of good people. consider it a compliment to have been eliminated by the boys, a lot of other people before you have gone through the same thing.

Anonymous

connect the dots and the fingerprints people; the investigations at city hall for the last 8 years are orchestrated by don iscman. he is the power broker at 222 meigs st.

Crackhead

so how does baxter fit in? kevin not the other ones.

Anonymous

Relax people, don't pay any attention to Matt. Matt is just trying to drive up readership since his blunder with the CCW list. Matt couldn't even be a good journalist for a high school paper.

Your elected officials are watching out for you. And my lawyer friends know the laws, that's why they are lawyers. Pay no attention to crackhead, his mind is gone from too much crack. All of you people need to get yourself away from the computer, pour yourself some wine and watch some television. Pay no attention to the Sandusky Enquirer. Next, Matt will be reporting that a flying saucer landed on Market Street and little green Martians are walking around town. Pay no attention to Matt as he has been smoking something weird. Relax people, we have everything under control. We know what is best for you.

Anonymous

i digress. i'll just keep paying taxes, not to worry, they have our best interest at hand. i got to thinking and i was wrong about all of that. my bad. you are right to trust our leaders. follow them, for they will lead.

Anonymous

that was funny, huh? blind faith may be an option, just not one of mine.

Anonymous

Have any of you ever thought that maybe, just maybe there might be something to this investigation? Do you all really think Murray would do something to risk a potential run for the state legislature if they didn't have "something" on Nuesse? Think about it. I'm not saying I know what it is, but there is something to do the things they've done so far.

Anonymous

I think that the SR is a joke and has been for years. There was a time when journalists had the integrity and courage to research and publish stories that were not going to be popular. It saddens me to see that the corruption that is blatantly obvious in the national newspapers has made its way down to the SR on a local level. I know that I am sick to death reading nonsense articles, followed up by 3 more articles with no new information. You are correct your job is not to make the news its to report it, but that doesnt mean that you sit on your butts until a story is laid in your lap - your laziness will not lead to promotions. This can be seen just by reading one of the SR investigtive pieces - it is astonishing to see the preschool type questions. With all this being said I think the SR will do us all a favor to print nothing but AP stories and local sports, as they have proved themselvs incompetent in any other format.

Anonymous

I have to agree with you. I believe Matt is planting the "seeds" in everyone, so that any accusations that come out in the investigation, people will think there is no merit to them. I won't be brainwashed into thinking she is the greatest thing on earth until I get all the facts. Apparently Matt knows more about the allegations than what he's letting out of the bag. Can't wait to see how many people jump ship from her when the story breaks.

observer

THANKS Matt. Keep it up. Crackhead and smelly are getting warmer.....

Crackhead

no, i can think on my own. i've never thought about matt's seeds. the trouble is , sandusky is a mess. to me they don't even seem to have a case so they are almost running an advertisement. i do not believe murray has a shot at a legislature position. what has he done for sandtown? exactly, what will he do for our state? exactly. brainwashed? you need help. i don't beieve everything i read, either.i'm still a freethinker.

Anonymous

Do you think that it may be possible that both Police Chiefs might have lied to that Joint Study Committee? I thought that an article in the SR said that it would save both departments over 1/2 million dollars, then their study only came up with $200k in savings. Maybe that's what's going on with the Tim and Kim story? Maybe Matt should ask the Chiefs about that?

Anonymous

Murman is advertising for people to come forward? Sounds to me he is having a rough time getting to the truth if there is such a thing as truth. What kind of investigator is he? I will be glad when this is all over with and the city can get back to business. We have more people out on paid leave, who will be next? This town is a mess and getting worse by the minute. Everyday there is a shakeup at city hall. We don't have talented/experienced/professional people running the city and it is affecting the morale at city hall. As for the housing department, if you don't get experienced people and pay to have that department run effectively, we will continue to pay for the mistakes. By the time this is all said and done with the financial payout, we could have had a full staff up and running. Pay me now or pay me later.

Anonymous

voters in sandusky elect seven people as repreesentatives. of the 240+ people who work for the taxpayers only 4 answer to the commission. manager,treasurer, clerk, & law director.since 1998 don icsman has been law director. during that time sandusky has had 4 managers, numerous investigations, resignations, terminations, suspensions and law suits. why? look no further then the legal dept.when a person is as vindictive, hateful, and paranoid about his own competency, then that person must remove those who are a threat to expose him. if four of the current group of elected reps. had the courage, they could remove this dark cloud and cancer that has walked the halls of 222 meigs st. since 1998. they are don icsman's boss. will they lead or allow things to go on as they have since 1998?

courage. do what is right for sandusky.

Anonymous

I want to see closure of the Nuessee the housing department problems. Let's wrap this up and not drag it on and on. If there are some things going on that shouldn't be going on, I want it brought out into the open and least of all not covered up and for us never to know what really happened. The taxpayer has the right to know exactly who is responsible and why there has been a disruption of city government. To go on with all the hype and then have it covered up is an injustice that the taxpayer will not tolerate.

Anonymous

According to history, the taxpayers in Sandusky are willing to take all the injustice and crap the city government can hand out. This is just one more example.

Anonymous

To "Do You Think" you are assuming that Westhold wants the truth, if so let me sell you a bridge in Brooklyn or land in the Everglades. This article is about The Register protecting their friends.

Anonymous

I called Murmans office and asked about Baxter's, Murray, the objectives of the kangaroo court, Iceman contacting Murman and the list went on and on. I was told I would be contacted. Go figure.

Hey Matt, the last 2 paragraphs in your article makes it pretty obvious that the way they were written, was to get a lot of reader response and stir the blog pot a little.You could call , not as a journalist, but as a citizen, even though you live in Lorain, they would never know. Let us know what YOU are told by Murmans office.

Anonymous

Do you think that the Tim and Kim relationship may have went a little further than just lying? Smells like something may be trying to be buried by someone?

Anonymous

Will you let us know on this blog if and when they call you back please. Also what they told you. Thank you. MJ

Anonymous

Yes I will, if in fact they return my call.

Anonymous

I guess I dont understand. If the city has to go to the SR and ask for Witnesses against the cheif, why is there an investigation to begin with? If they need witnesses, how strong can all this b_llsh_t be? Personally I feel she is doing a great job and has cleaned out some of the crap already. I know alot of the officers there and they all like her, so whats up?

Anonymous

Let's see how many of you speak up Monday at the public portion of the meeting and ask these questions.

Anonymous

Thank you. MJ

Anonymous

Even if someone does speak up, do you really think Murray is going to answer. I doubt it. MJ

Anonymous

MATT IS MW , WHO IS MJ?

Anonymous

Those are my initials. I have been reading the blogs for awhile, just started commenting, so I put my initials at the end of it. :) MJ

Anonymous

IT'S ALL GOOD!!!

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Anonymous

There was an interesting story on Good Morning America concerning anonymous on line gossip on the internet. http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Tec...

The New Jersey Attorney General is purusuing a Campus oriented internet gossip site under consumer fraud laws for misrepresenting that the site has polices related to publishing defamatory and harassing comments.

As others and I have stated, the Register appears to have inverted the usual protections afforded private citizens concerning libel and invasion of privacy while abandoning its role of as watchdog on government officials by pulling posts or not investigating legitimate leads on public officials.

Proof of this is contained in the comment section "Cheer adviser allagedly serves Spirits". Therein private citizens and juveniles are freely libeled and harassed while their privacy invaded with salacious rumor and innuendo. Similarly the coverage of the nursing home alleged rapist and teh Clyde juvenile rapist was sensational and designed to drive hit counts for financial gain while abandoning traditional First Amendment and privacy restrictions.

Meanwhile not one reporter can be bothered to interview anyone with first hand knowledge of Don Icsman and Kevin Baxter's alleged abuse of office to obstruct inquires into misconduct in city and or county offices.

Anonymous

well, the state of ohio has completed their investigation into the problems of sandusky's housing dept. the state found that the dept. was quilty of incompentency in handling the duties that they were assigned. was there any criminal intent? not.. the taxpayers will pay another invoice for a private criminal investigation brought forth by your legal dept. be sure to ask your commissioner what the cost was? were the people working in housing dept. not given the proper training and support from the adminstration to make the

right decisions? accountability starts at the top.

Anonymous

I think you misread the Ohio Investigators Report. It indicates to me that they found evidence of fraud and will be expanding the investigation and seeking to recover illegaly spent funds. That cuts even more in favor of Don Icsman's malfeasence in office, because those allegedly fraudulent expenditures and findings for recovery occured on his watch due his lax or non existent oversight.

Moreover, city lawyer Icsman had an actual comoplaint for somebodybut still didn't take steps as the city's lawyer to correct the deficiencies or request a free inquiry from the state. Instead he illegally hired super duper private attorney Mike Murman and placed people on paid leave during the investigation. Murman predictably has delayed for months (in effect he is acting to prevent a legitimate investigation) and even now when the state has issued violations of federal and state law Murman still has no report or public statement.

Instead, Icsman after Chief Nuesse apparently got too close to the illegal contracting practices of the City on Icsman's watch illegally employs Murman to conduct an investigation into unknown wrongdoing by Cheif Nuesse.

Other posters have pointed out that since 1998 when Icsman became City Law director it has been nothing but disorder and scandal within city government as he is actually calling the shots and is either woefully incompetent or hopelessly corrupt.

Instilling order and transparency to government operations is what the law demands of a City's law director. It is obvious to me that it is time for the Don to go.

Anonymous

mr. murray & mr. stahl have proven to be very successful men in their private lives. well educated, and i'm certain of high moral standards. yet during their tenure as elected commissioners it appears that they have be misinformed

on matters of great importance. there is an agenda at 222 meigs. st. it has been driven and propogated since 1998 by the law director. please use due diligence as you uncover the truth. you are not the first commissioners to be duped, and i'm certain you won't be the last. your choice.

Anonymous

@duped..:

You are kidding right? Those 2 are right in the middle of the corruption that is at hand right now. Just for an example when Murray was representing Baxter as his private attorney with the boat lines. Futhermore, with his involvement in all that surrounds himself, will in fact cost him the state representives job he so desires..

Anonymous

Although Mr. Murray and Mr. Stahl maybe successful in their lives, do you really believe they were duped? I think they thought Nuesse was going to go along with their little interrogation, and she is a lot smarter than they thought. Now what can they do, cry duped. You have got to be kidding me. MJ

Anonymous

hey sandusky, how about a little love for city manager matt kline. the man was appointed by our elected representatives only 6 months ago.he arived from the lovely community of mason, ohio with positive energy and no agenda. little did he know what awaited him within the walls of the city bldg.investigations,removal of staff, dept. heads and potential lawsuits. he never had a chance. it is important for mr. kline to seperate himself from the enemy within. it exists only a short walk across the hall. forgive matt kline, for he knows not what he has done.

TT

These people have to sell papers somehow, Elsebeth. What did you expect: unbiased, well-written articles fully explaining the situation while getting to the very bottom of it, regardless of repercussions by whichever or how ever many officials are angered by the truth, all while themselves staying fully within the law? Ha!

TT

Through all this talk on this particular comment board, I wonder whether or not Mr. White will give a truthful and satisfyingly full answer to some of the first questions posed by myself and others.

Anonymous

Well, it's been up for 3 days so far and not a peep from him yet. Haha. Guess we will have to wait and find out.

Anonymous

It will be brought up.

Anonymous

The manager has a bigger/closer problem than Iceman....Finn found it.

TT

Has it really only been three days?! My apologies, Mr. White. I should be so presumptous as to expect more than one single page worth of work out of you in a week. You're right, re: tt; I should know Mr. White's work schedule better by know: one bad page, then a week vacation, another bad page, another week or more off. You'd think with the traffic to his blog page he'd make an effort to write more often. Funny, it doesn't feel like only three days. I shouldn't get my hopes up, should I?

Richard Russell

Yes,

Nick, don't pull from what you feel is the right choice. As free people choice is what makes us next to God. Choice to print, choice choose.

No, grapefruit severs.

Rich

Richard Russell

Yes,

Nick, don't pull from what you feel is the right choice. As free people choice is what makes us next to God,or God given. Choice to print, choice to choose. Right or wrong.

No, grapefruit severs.

Rich

Anonymous

Why is the SR giving Huron such a free pass on their investigations? Did anyone from the SR actually read the investigators report. Pill popping was business as usual at the Huron Fire Department, at least until the Police got involved. Huron isn't acting efficiently, they are sweeping this thing under the rug and the SR is patting them on the back!

Anonymous

Murray is an attorney and knew better to do what he did to Nuessee. How did he sit by and allow the Nuessee interrogation to go on and even allowed for such a meeting in the first place knowing what would happen and Icsman wasn't any better. Any experienced city manager should have called a holt to all of it in the first place whether his bosses liked it or not. You just don't do things like this knowing for certain there will be a lawsuit filed for your actions.

Anonymous

For whatever reasons, that Murman guy running two different ongoing investigations also looks like one of the city commission & Iceman puppets. Perhaps he will draw one of those special investigations to a close so he can invoice the city commission ASAP...

Anonymous

Give it a rest and quit crying over your girlfriend Matt. Before you know it you and your buddy timmy will be in to it with one another fighting over your woman kim. Go find a real story and quit using this one for a crutch

Anonymous

Nick White knows everything there s to know about Deep Throat.

Anonymous

I love men!

Anonymous

That's why those guys could buy and sell your sorry a s s, bea-yatch.

Anonymous

Like American Idol : Don Icsman & Dennis Murray are safe...Saying Goodbye The Results ?

Anonymous

Remember Sylvester Murray College Of Urban Affairs At CSU.

Anonymous

@double oh seven,@007:

Well I see it was almost 10:00 pm, Sandusky adult education doesn't let the GED students out till 11. Seems you wanted to follow me over here from the other blog, must have enjoyed getting your a$$ handed to you in 3 pieces over there!!

Anonymous

Hey Option Out,

I'm not a fan of Westerhold at all, but you appear to have some serious anger management issues or some kind of problem. What is up with you making allegations about Westerhold and the police chief dating? How absurd, why do you want to spew factual inaccuracies on a public forum such as this? What is wrong with you? Or for that matter, anybody else who is using the "blog" as a forum to spread hate and unfounded gossip? Eh?

Anonymous

Its no wonder that downtown Sandusky languishes in the mere hopes of having a revitalized vibrant commercial district. With the commissioners all posturing and throwing barbs at each other, their police chief and who knows who else the downtown will remain what it is today.

How can they expect things to change when they continually apply the same tired and ineffectual techniques? SOME PEOPLE ARE LETTING THEIR EGOS GET IN THE WAY.

Do the community a favor and check your ego at the door next time you step into the city building, or you pick up a phone for a "private" conversation regarding this fiasco.

Anonymous

Egos....A girl did in less than a year what Meinzer couldn't do in 10. Connect the dots!

Anonymous

Democrat Dennis Murray Jr will represent the families of the 80th Ohio State House District. His legislative district includes Erie County and most of Ottawa County including the Lake Erie Islands and Western Basin of Lake Erie.

Anonymous

County vs. Perkins

Minutes form Sandusky City Commission meeting September 10, 2007

“Mr. Fuqua moved to cooperate with the County, but not make a financial commitment for the study. Mr. Waddington seconded the motion, and with all Commissioners voting “Aye”, the motion carried

Anonymous

Keep in mind that most of the people being critisized are new to the program. The only constant downtown is Don Ikeman and Widman. You can blame Murray and Stall but who do you blame for all the previous crap that has happened. Look to the highest paid, longest tenured, hardest to get a quote from, and you will find the cancer, and the root of all the problems at city hall. We never move forward until Ikeman is gone

Anonymous

re:Lucille

wow it really sucks to be us then!!!

Anonymous

Who can fire the city law director?

Anonymous

Since Nuesse is on leave, I think she would be the perfect person to fill in at the water parks for a while. She can rest up, enjoy the pools and be a good will Ambassador for the City. Even if she has made a small error in judgement, which I do not know, either way. I think the water parks would welcome her. This could take a while, and it would be good for all.

Anonymous

To Dispatching: Thank you for the information. I see where on September 10th a motion was made to cooperate with the county. However, in the meantime, I am having a big problem with the sequence of events that took place after that motion on September 10th. If you remember, the whole commission takes a trip over to Perkins Trustee meeting sometime in February and tells Perkins to expect an agreement within two weeks and for Perkins to make up their mind in a month whether or not they would like to do dispatch jointly. On February 25th of the city commission meeting, Mr. Murray makes a statement that he wants a decision either with Perkins or the county inside of a month. Sounds like the commission was playing both sides and which ever one comes back to the city within the month's time, that is the one the city will go with. All of a sudden, the next day, February 26th, after the commission meeting on February 25th, the city announces the county has the dispatch deal and that is the same day the Nuessee thing blew up. Keeping in mind that on September 10th a motion was approved by the commission to cooperate with the county. Sounds like the city was doing some flip flopping.

Anonymous

Re: 007

Sorry but Democratic representative of the 80th Ohio State House District Chris Rederen is out of terms.

Anonymous

'007'...I notice on these blogs that whenever you get your feathers rumpled, you cut on the offending poster by implying that they're going for a GED. Is that a bad thing in your eyes? Somone posts a stupid post and theyre automatically a 'GED student'? Why?

Anonymous

you are right matt. You should be investigating this. quite evident you know it all. where did you get your investigative skills? was it when you were sitting at kim's bedside? you ole dog you. your a little stinker

tinayak

How many of you conspiracy therorists will show your sorry faces at the commissioners meeting on Monday. Bunch of cowards. Hide on these blogs right Elsebeth???

Anonymous

Thanks to all you posters for volunteering in an experiment in Pavlovian psychology.

Mr. White merely posts a piece and all the doggies salivate.

Who’s the pack leader?

Anonymous

I wish I was a doggie... then I'd be able to lick my own balls.

Crackhead

what happened to all of the posts? you people are amazing. why bother? someone must have struck a nerve.

Anonymous

I don't see the majority of these posts as conspiracy theories but expressions of opinion and a matter of public concern.

I do hope there's a nice turn out on Monday. Also, I hope the Register asks key questions for the public at that meeting and more importantly doesn't stop until those questions are answered.

Easter is a time for rebirth. It would be nice to see a rebirth of intehrity and truth on Monday.

Anonymous

They knocked them all off then? Amazing!

Anonymous

Is Deep Throat something like French kissing? YEEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!

Anonymous

elsebeth when is your sentencing date

Anonymous

@GED Student:

Let me clear this up, first of all I think anyone going back to get their GED is a step in the right direction and should be commended. As far as how I used it in my previous post, I'll admit I used the wrong analogy when countering those idiots and by no means did I mean it in a general sort of way to offend others. They had followed me from another blog.

Anonymous

The counter was re-set which allows continued space for more nonsensical postings by this blog's favorite ranters.

TT

This is absolutely ridiculous. Put everything back up now.

TT

You left up a comment from about the middle of the pack? Where are the rest?

TT

Why are all the comments from Nick White's blog gone but these are still up? Are you protecting his little feelings by erasing them all before he decides to come in for his weekly bout with "work?"

Anonymous

@DUST CLOUD

Do you know this to be true? Or are you just going by what Kim's "friend", Matt said?

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