Fundamental fairness? Forget about it

Matt Westerhold
Mar 23, 2010

 

NOTE: Retired Lorain County Common Pleas Court Judge Joseph Cirigliano did not sentence a woman hell-bent on making Erie County Prosecutor Kevin Baxter uncomfortable to eight years in prison. Judge Richard Markus sentenced Elsebeth Baumgartner. A previous verson of this blog contained incorrect information.

You better believe the "fix" to make sure fired Sandusky police Chief Kim Nuesse stays fired is already in place. Law director Don Icsman recommended the city civil service commission appoint retired Lorain County Common Pleas Judge Joseph E. Cirigliano as its hearing officer for Nuesse's appeal of her termination, and that's what the commission did on Monday.

What's wrong with that, you might ask. Well, first off, Icsman is so deeply imbedded in this controversy he has no business recommending anyone do anything on this matter. Icsman effectively approved the $22,000 Murman investigation without any input from city commission, which is required to review and give prior approval for such expenditures. City commissioners should be asking if the city charter was violated when Icsman approved the biased and bogus Murman probe, and if it was violated why their law director ignored city law on this huge waste of taxpayer money. Icsman should be held accountable for his decisions, and he should refrain from any further input on this sad, sad, sad affair.

Why haven't those questions been asked? Why is Nuesse the only person being held accountable? Why, indeed?

And Cirigliano? He has long-standing ties to Erie County Prosecutor Kevin Baxter, who was a witness in the Murman integrity probe and provided questionable testimony against Nuesse to the Murman investigators. Baxter later "corrected" the tainted Murman report after the Register raised questions about the accuracy of his statement.

What gave Baxter the right to alter a public document? Is he above the law? Why is Nuesse the only person being held accountable? Why, indeed?

Cirigliano ruled in favor of Baxter in a court dispute with his brother over the estate of their parents. Cirigliano has no business serving as the civil service commission's hearing officer in Nuesse's appeal. He should step aside and he should do so immediately. Surely, there is someone better positioned to provide the "fundamental fairness" this situation demands. That person is not Judge Cirigliano.

Comments

Sam

Elsebeth can now officially join the Kimme, Matt cry babying club. I hear their are openings at clown school for all three.

Anonymous

Why? Did you just graduate?

Anonymous

Didn't you see that Bozo just passed away? Have a little compassion! Sam, I think Kimmie herself just might be responding to you. Good Job!

Anonymous

way to go Sam, you just lifted all doubt about you being a dumbass. You are one.

Anonymous

I like the way you're thinking, it is a PLUS. Two of my comments on this particular site have been deleted, SO BE IT! I'll resort to just one question regarding this whole situation; Why hasn't the ATTORNEY GENERALS' OFFICE BEEN CONTACTED, AND NOT JUST FOR AN OPINION, BUT ACTUAL INVOLVEMENT? P.S. I believe Fireworks, although legal to purchase in the State of Ohio, are ILLEGAL to SET-OFF unless you are a licensed piro-technician! What a SET-UP for the citizens of the State of Ohio!

Anonymous

The Ohio Supreme Court recently disbarred Highland County Common Pleas Court Judge Jeffery Hoskins accused of money laudering and other ethics violations in a pattern of PROFESSIONAL MISCONDUCT dating back a decade. While serving on the bench, Hoskins deliberately concealed his involvement in a REAL ESTATE PURCHASE. (THAT'S INTERESING) He also ILLEGALLY released a man from jail who was serving time for sexual imposition conviction. (THAT'S INTERESTING) The Court also concluded that during his years as an attorney in private practice, Hoskins made improper and unauthorized withdrawals of money from the estates of several relatives. The Supreme Court permanently revoked Hoskins' license as an attorney and BARRED HIM FOR LIFE from practicing law in Ohio. (I think the crook should of been sentenced to prison for 8 years)

Anonymous

Aren't all these retired judges that are being paid with the taxpayers money to "fix" cases required to have their COMPETENCY level evaluated?

Anonymous

Take it as a compliment that the comments were expunged----apparently the comments struck upon a nerve. Good! That means the purpose was served.

Sam

In reply from Sam, You once again showed your stupid, but what would I expect from a Kimmie/Matt supporter !

Anonymous

Learn to spell too, stupid!!

Anonymous

What is a Vexatious Litigator? Is this when attorneys use the jurisdiction of three differant Courts (the Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Court, the Erie County Common Pleas Court and the Erie County Probate Court) for the SAME CASE to cover up illegal misconduct on the part of city officials, a Lorain County law firm and a retired former Erie County judge? Is this when attorneys file sneaky lawsuits, depositions, Motions, etc. etc. etc. back and forth between the Courts? Is this when the attorneys refile sneaky lawsuits in one Court and Partition Actions in another Court on behalf of a NON-CLIENT without the NON-CLIENT'S knowledge? What is a Vexatious Litigator? It appears like the ATTORNEYS and the COURTS sure are. And just think----- a Sandusky Police Chief gets FIRED for "DISHONESTY". WHAT A JOKE AND A DIRTY JOKE AT THAT.

Anonymous

"No man who is corrupt, no man who condones corruption in others, can possibly do his duty by the community."

Anonymous

EB WAS RAILROADED TOO
CONTACT CHIEF JUSTICE THOMAS MOYER
JUDGE SHIRLEY STRICKLAND SAFFOLD
Re Deleted Comments...
PROFESSIONAL MISCONDUCT
SCAM
SANDUSKY IS A DIRTY JOKE

Anonymous

I can not believe there are so many VICIOUS people in Sandusky! Extremely vicious! This town never used to be that way. We must have had some real hum dingers move here! I was reading the story about the baby getting choked and could not believe my eyes that all of the vicious people were there too! So very sad. THAT is the ONLY reason that makes me want to pack up and leave. Why don't you people use some of that energy to help a needy cause. You all make me sick.

Anonymous

...Chief Justice, and Sandusky native, Thomas Moyer. Intentinonally or not, Chief Justice Moyer has been running interference for the Erie County justice system for years. Besides,
Justice Moyer's mama signed my draft card.....

Anonymous

One of the posts told you to go back into your hole, GOB. I second the Motion.

Anonymous

You may beg my pardon just like you went to 222 Meigs Street and begged them to let you kiss their keesters. But unlike them you ain't going to get my pardon, only the job of kissing their arses. Your mama raised you better BOY, didn't say Leroy either. She raised you to only to kiss arse for money.

Anonymous

what kind of performance do people expect from lawyers, journalists, and elected officials ? can't you see the common denominators ? lazy-greedy-low class-and envious .

Anonymous

These kinds of vicious people are EVERYWHERE, not just here in Sandusky! All you have to do is read ANY comment section on AOL or elsewhere. They've always been around, it's just that they now have an out-of-control forum provided by the Register where they can spew out their ignorance and hate!

Anonymous

we will keep screwing you dumb citizens until your last breath...just because a few of you have awakened to our thievery and become rebellious doesn't mean we are going to stop ! dumb sheeple. Taxes and Public sector drones rule !

Anonymous

Matt you need to see a shrink. everything you write about pertains to nuesse. you write nothing constructive. get over it. it's bye bye kimmie you little gay blade

Anonymous

Go back to your hole, GOB.

mannie

Sure am thankful that the Medical field doesn't have the same ethics and morals as the Ohio Legal System appears to have. Some of these bloggers that make jokes about the obvious corruption going on right in the city of Sandusky should be thankful, also.

Anonymous

Just returned from Battery Park and there were hundreds of cars parked all over the park. I read that that hardly anyone ever uses Battery Park and that is why condos were needed and park land had to be given away. That was blatant lie told by the city's politicians just like the lies being told to us about police chief Nuesse.

I do not believe anything coming from the city commission as all of the people at Battery Park are visible today as the lies told to justify giving away Battery Park.

Why doesn't the newspaper expose the lies told voters about the Battery Park fiasco. It is not too late to get those petitions for a recall started if more voters could combine forces over the Nuesse investigation issues and lies told to voters about Battery Park.

What about it SR, the fairness problems in this city did not begin with the Nuesse episode, but also reach back to the Marina District lies that were told to hoodwink the voters....?

Crackhead

i tuned in late. what is a GOB?

Anonymous

You're a jerk, I am a woman, and I don't go to 222 Meigs street, don't kiss ANYONE'S a$$. Including yours. Now quit with your STUPID comments, it is getting old.

Anonymous

You have GOT to be Nuesse or a relative. You are SO touchy and here on these blogs constantly. You would not be so defensive if you were not her or a relative because I can't think of any other reason you would feel so threatened and feel the NEED to stick up for her so badly. E----A----S----Y

Anonymous

GOB is Good Old Boys for short.

Anonymous

don c. icsman rules..this is his town and don't any of you forget!!

Anonymous

Hello Matt,
First of all, I don't know you and you don't know me. We have never met. Some of your "friends" just might be my enemies. You might actually be a very nice person, misguided, but still a nice person. I sometimes wonder why a lot of my postings on the news blogs get deleted. If I post "Ralph" on the news blogs, they get deleted within minutes. Did I post the TRUTH or did I hit a RAW NERVE? Or am I "banned" from posting comments?

Matt, you have to ALWAYS go by the TRUTH. Remember this quote and ALWAYS remember it:

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Arthur Schopenhauer
German philosopher (1788 - 1860)
You, Matt Westerhold can make a BIG difference for Sandusky and for what is RIGHT and WRONG. The power of the press, Oh so wonderful and sometimes NOT. The public opinion is ALWAYS swayed by the POWER of MASS NEWS MEDIA.

Matt, There are MORE people for TRUTH than what is wrong. Matt, all through history there has always been CORRUPTION, LIES and DECEIT. All through history, CORRUPTION has existed. First of all, MASS MEDIA, such as newspapers have been responsible for CORRUPTION to exist. Then you have CLOSED MINDED people that believe everything that newspapers print that helps corruption. Let's not forget about APATHY. Now that is BIG WORD. APATHY is CORRUPTION'S BEST ALLY. Most people just do not care until it happens to them or a family member before they wake up.

Hold a RALLY Matt Westerhold. I will show up as will people that seek the TRUTH.
Don't worry about the APATHETIC people as they are CLUELESS.

Matt Westerhold, I have said this before and I will say it again. YOU have the same clout as Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein. YOU can break this WIDE OPEN. YOU Matt Westerhold can break open the CORRUPTION that has existed in OHIO for years. Matt, It's your move. You have the POWER of the press and mass media.

Anonymous

I thought Elsbeth was in jail?

Anonymous

To some of you people with your jokes about the widespread corruption in the Ohio Courts and right here in Erie County with these inept judges, prosecutors, attorneys, etc. Have any of you people ever sent a loved one off to war? If so, wouldn't it make you sick to your very soul that your son or daughter fought and died for THIS?

Anonymous

Don't paint all commissoners with the same brush. Only ONE has stood up to the powers that be. Not once but several times. Do your homework and support publicly that ONE who has nothing to lose.

Anonymous

Both a cousin and nephew have served in the war in Irag, as well family members in Desert Storm, Vietnam, Korea and WWII. Wasn't too young to comprehend the horror of Vietnam, or the fear that my two older brothers would end up drafted! Most that make light are those that have NEVER experienced the CONCERNS, PURE DREAD that comes along with sending a LOVED ONE off to WAR! Gotta walk a mile, sometimes more in someone elses' shoes to COMPREHEND! The majority of politicians, members of Congress, the Senate, all the way down to LOCAL GOVERNMENT have NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE, as well their children! The ELITE don't/won't serve in that manner! It's been proven! If there is one thing in life I am grateful for, it's those that fought, died, or came home broken so that I may EXPERIENCE THE FREEDOMS these men and women fought for! Such as the Freedom of the PRESS and the ability to comment on sites such as this! Freedoms I RESPECT! What our service men & women do is pure UNSELFISHNESS....to be willing to lay your life down for your brother or sister, as well a stranger! They do it for WE THE PEOPLE, and those in other countries! However, it also includes those that will take ADVANTAGE of their postions and those that just want to make jokes about it all! Should you have a child serving, BE OF STRONG HEART! What they do isn't in VAIN! May they come home to you, WHOLE! God Bless!

Anonymous

I find it very interesting how Cuyahoga County and Erie County seem to be so connected. The attorney for the Murman report was a former prosecutor for Cuyahoga County. The judge that sentenced EB to prison for 8 years was from Cuyahoga County. All these senile retired 80 year old judges that are "fixing" cases here in Erie County are from Cuyahoga County and Lorain County. Something sure does smell.......

Anonymous

Let see. Corrupt judges. Corrupt police. Corrupt police. What a star chamber our halls of (in)justice have become.

Anonymous

This is too good to pass up...A Sandusky prosecutor claims that a County Recorder is required by law to file everything that ATTORNEYS give her to file, no matter how DISHONEST and ILLEGAL she knows the filings to be. A female Sandusky police chief then gets fired for "dishonesty" based on the Murman Report, which is an investigation done by ATTORNEYS.

Anonymous

How is it that a retired judge from Lorain and is the vice president of business development for a law firm he is employed by is picked to hear the Nuesse case. This same law firm located in Avon has an office in Sandusky, boy does this smack of bias. Which way does anyone think this will turn out. Bets anyone.

Anonymous

He is the man fomerly known as '007'. You know, the member of the landed gentry with numerous rentals and alos the owner of a 36' Tiara w/ 12 ' beam. A force to be reckoned with...if you're a scale...

Anonymous

Don't be misled by the location, since you use different email addys, it can be routed through various states.

Anonymous

hahahahahahahaha

Joke.

Anonymous

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Anonymous

Re Who is Gold Desert Eagle wrote on Jul 7, 2008 3:25 PM:

" He is the man fomerly known as '007'. You know, the member of the landed gentry with numerous rentals and alos the owner of a 36' Tiara w/ 12 ' beam. A force to be reckoned with...if you're a scale... "

Anonymous

" Re Who is Gold Desert Eagle wrote on Jul 7, 2008 3:25 PM:

" He is the man fomerly known as '007'. You know, the member of the landed gentry with numerous rentals and alos the owner of a 36' Tiara w/ 12 ' beam. A force to be reckoned with...if you're a scale... " "

Anonymous

...is if you work for SR or are a hacker. Either way you are breaking the law. I have forwarded this on to the FBI on behalf of all SR bloggers. Thanks! Please reply so the tracers can get their fix.

Anonymous

If I were hated as much as Baxter and Iscman seem to be in this community, I think I would just step down......

Anonymous

Hey Matt, at least get the Judge's name right! It's Joseph Cirigliano, not Richard!

Anonymous

It appears like the Sandusky Register just might be banned from printing anything else about the railroading of Kim Nuesse. Maybe so the Lorain Journal can print exactly what the GOB's want? Which makes me wonder if the GOB's really believe that Westerhold and the SR are responsible for all the OUTRAGE that is coming from this community? I don't think so. I think the Nuesse case INSTEAD is the straw that finally broke the camel's back....

Anonymous

C'mon tough girl where are you? You want to talk stuff? Where are you? You're such a tough girl, until you get called on something, then you back off. Just like a punk.

Anonymous

???? Wow, That one suprises me. Or...are you just being sarcastic?

Anonymous

????Oooops,,, the 007 part didnt show up...

Haha

How do you like that Matt?? The one judge you didnt want to see is picked and there is nothing you can do about it!!! LOLOLOL!!!! So now you see your worthless comments make no difference and if anything you are a detriment to the "Nuesse Camp". I love when things happen that you dont want to happen....so you love when people write hateful things about you on here because you know people are actually reading your sad column. I am sure it is because people like to read the sad pathetic writings of a little school boy who has a crush on someone who wouldnt give you the time of day other wise. Are you having flashbacks of high school when the cheerleaders always laughed at you while you were writing about sports instead of having the ability to actually PLAY. Now here we go again, doing all you can to impress the hot blonde EX police chief, who thinks youre nerd.....now soon she will be gone.......I think the T-House is hiring dancers, make sure you tell her....

Anonymous

What???? That is ALL the SR reports on anymore....what are you talking about?? Who knows what they will do when this all does blow over, which I am assuming it will SOMEDAY!!!

Lorain Journal is a better newspaper ALLAROUND anyway....better reporters, better writing, better sports...

Anonymous

I can honestly say that I have never encountered a more vicous, hateful person in my life as the one that made the last two comments. There's a new book out that can be found at Borders at the Mall. It's called 23 MINUTES IN HELL by Bill Wiese. For your own sake read it.

Anonymous

The city of Sandusky is dead, leave it to the thugs and drugs.

Way above the national average as far as the crime index is concerned. (FBI Statistics)

A school system that always fails to meet state indicators. 4 out of 30 or something like that.

Hundreds of homes for sale/rent along with falling property values.

Terrible leadership...too many examples.

Poor job creation and a shrinking tax base. Among the state leaders as far as public assistance and unemployment.

Dozens of registered sex offenders all over the place.

A police department that is constantly over worked and under fire from the community.

Crack heads and heroin/meth addicts wandering around misbehaving.

Unsupervised children whose parents could care less about them walking the streets at all hours of the night.

Abandoned homes destroying property values on just about every block.

Loose pit bulls getting shot by the police.

Couches and weight benches on porches.

Litter all over the place....except wahsington park.

etc etc etc etc

SANDUSKY: A NICE PLACE TO VISIT IF YOU HAVE MONEY, BUT YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO LIVE HERE.

Anonymous

Is Law director Don Icsman the president of the Good Ole Boys Club? Every time something happens in Sandusky the trails aways leads back to Icsman. Maybe its time to get rid of Law director Don Icsman.

Anonymous

we need to promote more breeding between the hispanics and the afro americans in sandusky. create a generation that is too lazy to steal. clean up our streets

Anonymous

It is really sad to see what my hometown has turned into. We left a few years ago while we could still get something for our home. It appraised for over 85K and we were happy to get 60K for it. Funny thing is, the house was a block from the waterfront.

Should have been primo property right? Nope not in Sandusky. Meigs Street and all those that run into it are quickly turning into the worst part of town. Check the daily log. How many times do you see E. Monroe, Madison, Jefferson, Adams, and Market in there? Then add the streets that run North and South and you get Perry,Warren,Franklin, Huron Ave and yes..... Hancock.

I am pi$$ed of as all get out with the leadership of Sandusky for allowing what were once nice neighborhoods to turn into the hood. I called down to the City Building constantly to complain about various things and nothing ever got done. I took pictures of run down houses and the activity that was taking place to the housing department. I called the police to report crimes. I wrote letters to anybody that would listen. Finally, we just stopped trying/caring.

It would seem to me that Sandusky has bigger problems to address. The problems is, everybody knows it and nothing ever gets done.

Anonymous

The Nuesee haters complain that their comments are being deleted. Thank you SR for deleting them.

Anonymous

I will agree with your assessment of our community, but only to an extent. Our community is salvagable. It took years for things to get as messed up as they are, and it'll take years to fix it. The marina district is a step in the right direction, so long as development continues to spread throughout Sandusky once the waterfront has been developed.

Dr. Evil

Anonymous

I havent been deleted in a while, good to know I hit a nerve Matt...you snake! As for the moron who says good job to the SR for deleting "Nuesse Hater" posts.....youre too naive to realize if the SR can sensor us, they will also sensor you when you have an opinion that differs from theirs. Think about it, I know its difficult but try. Anyway, I LOVE having my posts deleted I write them for Matt the idiot to read not you people, so if it gets deleted then it MUST have worked!!! Did po'wittle Matt get his wittle feewings....hurt??? LOL What a joke you are!!!

Anonymous

I have been searching my whole life for someone to look to for guidance and now I have......Matt Westerhold!!! Sure we have soldiers defending our country's freedom...sure we have Policemen and Firefighters protecting our lives and property, but they dont compare to Matt Westerhold, a TRUE AMERICAN HERO!!! Where else can you find a man....uh I mean a person, who can sit in his office chair and write about how everyone else should live and have people sing your praises? He is so VERY brave and I can only hope that one day I can have a little boy crush on someone who would never normally give me the time of day....I mean what more can you say??? LOL PLEASE Matt....Kim has you to choose from or Tim McClung...whatever will she do???? LOL

Anonymous

...like a lot of comments get deleted for no real substantive reason. I agree with mass deletions from the stories that deal with accidental death (in fact I don't think you should allow comments on those stories) and/or contain obsenities, but beyond that, let the comments stay!

Anonymous

Those two comments from you were obsenities and uncalled for and should have been deleted. Grow up!

Anonymous

HAHAHAHAHA. That is totally hilarious. You go girl, so glad you finally found your H-E-R-O. That has got to be the most laughable comment I have seen out of the thousands of Nuesse stories yet!

Anonymous

That irratates me the most! I have seen some horrible blogs in the stories like, Man chokes baby, and the story about Mr. Scally. The SR lets some of the worst blogs on those stories stay and delete the ones they don't agree with here. Why in the world would they let blogs stay in all of the sad stories that are so unkind is beyond my imagination!

Anonymous

I couldn't have said it better. For example, go to the story about the burned boats and read some of the trash people have posted. Very sad...

Anonymous

Cirigliano did not sentence Baumgartner. Markus did not sentence Baumgartner. Shirley Strickland Saffold sentenced Baumgartner to prison for eight years. Why isn't Mr. Westerhold correcting this factual inaccuracy?

Anonymous

The SR needs to think again and practice what they write. The Register doesn't let comments stay on long if they disagree with the Srs viewpoint. We need a newspaper that is honest and inbiased unlike the SR.

Anonymous

you are correct about don c. icsman.. since 1998 d. icsman has controlled the commission and managers.. he only has to flip 4 members to keep his power. when you are as "charming" as he is commissioners have NO chance to irradiate this cancer. he will never be removed. this town is his.

Anonymous

I agree with you, but I have found that when I write things to degrade Matt Westerhold, if they get deleted it means that Matt has read it and knows what people think of him and that is my goal. Those on here who support him and Kim, mean nothing to me, because you could have Kim on video commiting crimes and these people would somehow blame Matt Kline, but Matt Westerhold is getting paid to spew hatred towards the Police Department and he needs to know that no one considers him to be man, he is barely human, but certainly not a man. So when I love when my posts get deleted, it means he read them and I struck a nerve with my comment....that is what I want!!

Anonymous

but when my posts get deleted there is no derogatory remarks, no profane language or anything of that sort. Just my opinion of things that is different than the SR's.

Anonymous

Doug Phares, Publisher
419-609-5860
dougphares@sanduskyregister.com

Anonymous

Well, just found that Meijer puts it's weekly ad on their website. To make a long story short, I canceled my subscription to the Register about 6 months ago and was buying the paper on Sundays, mostly to get the Meijer ad. Well, now I don't have to buy it on Sundays anymore! I can read the ad on the Meijer website! This is great!

Anonymous

SMOOCHY MUST GO

Anonymous

Mr. Westerhold DID correct his mistake. Baxter and Barylski corrected theirs also by crossing out and correcting not ONE MISTAKE but SIXTEEN on the grade school Murman Report but not until AFTER it was used to terminate Kim Nuesse. NO WAY was that legal.....

Anonymous

SO WHAT IF IT WASN'T LEGAL? HEE HEE-- I'M THE PROSECUTOR! HEE HEE HEE
SO WHO'S GONNA PROSECUTE ME? HEE HEE HEE HEE..

Anonymous

AGAIN! Oh well, must have hit a nerve, that's ok then. I know it was the truth. Shame on you SR. The posts that should be deleted stay here for eternity.

Anonymous

No...you're just an offensive, fat choad that no one wnats to hear from.

Anonymous

I couldnt agree with all of you more....I have seen posts on here with swear words....racial slurs.....explicit sexual content and they stay up, but I say something negative, but true and not threatening about Matt Westerhold and it gets deleted?? I would like to know why that is. Also if you ever tried to report a vulgar post, you MUST leave your EMail address which means they have your IP address, they then can follow you on ALL blogs.

Anonymous

That is the reason I put the name of the publisher and his phone number and email address further down the blogs. Check it out. Dont want to email? Call him. We get enough complaints and maybe it will stop.

Anonymous

As I read through these posts, I see a lot of people supporting Kim Nuesse. My question here is......what if the accusations are correct? Do you honestly think that the entire Police Department, the entire commission, the City Manager, the Law Department, the Erie County Sheriff, County Prosecutors are ALL lying and Nuesse is the ONLY one telling the truth? Because that is what would have to happen, ALL above would have to be involved, there is no way!!! By now, if this were the case, someone from one of the people listed above would have come forward, either in person or secretly. I am not implying there isnt corruption in some city governments, maybe even some people in ours.....but we are talking over 100 people here and Kim's only allies are...Dan Kaman, Gary Frankowski and Tim McClung. I dont count Matt Westerhold, because he is just being used as a pawn in this and is too dumb to realize it. I realize everyone wants to believe that the Police Department is corrupt, but c'mon really, those of you with sense, I mean not those who just hate cops because youve been arrested or given a speeding ticket, where would we be without them? So IF the accusations are true and they are, why would we want to take a chance in having another Tim McClung on our hands. Also, I would also be curious to know how many people who support her have actually met her....

Anonymous

Where in the world did you see any written reports from the, entire commission, the city manager, the law department, the erie county sheriff, county prosecutor that says Nuesse was lying. The only indication came from the PD and that was all verbal, not one piece of written complaint was turned in by these crybabies. Wake up and research this entire lynch mob attitude of this PD.

Anonymous

read murman's book.. forward by don c. icsman and payed for by YOU!!

Anonymous

Alright now, you have taken quite enough Prozac for toady. Just go lie down and do not listen to those voices in your head.

Anonymous

Dude heck yes I support her, dude she's hott

goofus

put up that story about perkins township wish list again or were all the pekins pig bashing too much

Anonymous

I support Neuss because she wasn't going to let these a$$holes run over her. I hope she gets a 7 figure settlement.

Anonymous

The story is at the bottom of the home page under PERKINS

Anonymous

"If "if" were a skif, we could take a boat ride! Ever hear that one? I have met her. Do I KNOW her? No! Do I SUPPORT her? That DEPENDS? My personal question has always been....why wasn't/hasn't the ATTORNEY GENERALS' OFFICE been contacted to LOOK AT THIS? Simple question. Is there an ANSWER?

Anonymous

HEY WESTERHOLD!!!!! GET A LIFE!!!!! THIS WHOLE NUESSE THINGS IS GETTING OLD!!!!!!

Anonymous

Why do so many people think the AG's office investigates "personnel" issues?
It hasn't been done, CUZ they don't do that kind of stuff!!!! Just because you are a bad employee doesn't mean the AG's office should investigate it! Again, Nuesse camp tosses some STUPID "how about" into the ring and the the followers jump in with "Why don't you". Makes all of them look just as stupid! Amazing is RIGHT - this whole mess is very old!

Anonymous

Your mama was stupid for having you. We are all entitled to our opinions whether you like it or not. Your eyes may shine and your teeth may grit but changing my opinion about a$$holes like you, you will never git!!

Anonymous

To Re What If wrote on Jul 11, 2008 3:53 PM:

(sarcasm on) You are so correct. Leo Jennings, Anthony Gutierrez and Marc Dann should NOT have been investigated because it was a "personnel" issue. Richard Nixon and his buddies should NOT have been investigated because it was a "personnel" issue. (sarcasm off).
YOU are proof that stupid people should not post stupid comments.

Anonymous

UH UM...I believe that WE are entitled to OUR opionions and comments just like you...so...Nuesse clan can comment...well...so can ANTI Nuesse..Get over it!

By the way...did any of you ever notice that we do not stoop to your levels and name call either?

Anonymous

I believe you said the neusse clan was stupid. That makes you a hypocrite. SO BLOW Me!!

Anonymous

Yes, we're ALL entitled to our opinions. As for those in the ANTI-Nuesse camp not stooping to name-calling, PLEEEEEASE! Here's the skinny....this looks, smells and screams of an investigation that is COMPROMISED! When those in charge IGNORE an avenue that could/would answer SEVERAL questions, and for free I might add, THERE IS A PROBLEM! Let me put it another way, I hope we have some people coming forward to challenge certain postions in this area. I'll be casting my vote quite differently in the future. That may not matter to many, but it does where it counts. I'll say it again, the look of IMPROPRIETY has been present long before Nuesse was brought to town! All one need do, just in regards to the SPD, is go back and review the Video, comment site regarding the Fitzy FIASCO! ALL involved should be ASHAMED, each and every one of them! So, you can insult me, call me names, whatever! However, please know that STUPID isn't tattooed on this FOREHEAD! As well, PRIDE FALLETH BEFORE A MAN OR WOMAN! Just ask Marc Dann and his cohorts!

Mi Chu Wong Dong

You look like Jackie Gleason when he young. When you get old, you look like Bufford T. Justice. Big fat man.
You no eat much. Bufford eat too much.

mannie

I'm beginning to think that Baumgartner wasn't as crazy as Erie County and the SR made her out to be.

Anonymous

How OLD is Cirigliano? Why do judges in Ohio have to retire at age 70? If Cirigliano graduated from Baldwin-Wallace College with a B.A. in 1949 and got a law degree from Case Western Reserve University in 1952, then he must be over 80 years old. Elsebeth told the truth about these old judges coming in to fix cases. How many people in their late 70s and 80s have 100% of their mental capacities? Would you want an 80 year old airline pilot? Or how about an 80 year old surgeon? How can an 80 year old so called judge still decide cases in Ohio when the mandatory age for judges to retire is 70? And let's not forget the medications that these old judges have to take that can further impair their mental functions.

Mandatory age for judges in Ohio to retire is 70. But old judges in their late 70s and 80s can be "appointed" to decide cases and send innocent people to prison. These lawyers and judges have a racket going on in Ohio. If this be the case, Let's put all these lawyers and judges onto an Airbus A380 with 80 year old pilots and 80 year old air traffic controllers. The lawyers and judges should not be too concerned that the mandatory retirement age of air traffic controllers is 56. We will just appoint 80 year old air traffic controllers for the A380 Airbus full of judges and lawyers. Of course the Airbus will be piloted by 80 year old pilots.

How many judges and lawyers will fly with 80 year old pilots and 80 year old air traffic controllers at the controls?

Anonymous

To Ralph: Dude, what the heck are you talking about? What a lame analogy.

Anonymous

Cirigliano HAS to be at least 80 by now and he's not the only one of these old inept retired judges that are getting around the Ohio Law that mandates they retire at 70. The attorneys and judges have a real racket going on here---they know they can count on these CORRUPT old crooks to "fix" their cases and they also know that Ohio is not going to "mandate" the cases that the old geezers are being allowed to "fix". If a hospital ever allowed an 80 year old retired doctor to perform surgery there would be a million lawsuits filed yet OHIO seems to be ignoring THIS RACKET. You can also bet that Cirigliliano has "fixed" PLENTY OF CASES for Baxter and others here in Erie County and you can bet he'll "fix" the Nuesse case, too.....

Anonymous

Westerhold looks like Vince Vaughn!

Anonymous

Maybe the GOBs bring in these old judges because they can be easily manipulated to fix cases. I know a few intelligent elderly people than can be talked into giving up their life savings.

Many old judges have early signs of dementia or Alzheimer's. In addition, many take drugs that can further impair their mental reasoning.

What is really scary is when mentally impaired judges sit on the highest court of the country to decide cases.
And this particular judge was younger than 70 and still was allowed to decide cases. But as usual, there was a cover-up to keep the secret away from the people.

According to the Washington Post, "The late Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist took a powerful sedative during his first decade on the Supreme Court and grew so dependent on it that he became delusional and tried to escape from a hospital in his pajamas when he stopped taking the drug in 1981, according to newly released FBI files."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...

Anonymous

Ohio and Erie County needs a judge like Judge Andrew Napolitano.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K...

Anonymous

Wouldn't feel to awful comfortable getting onto a plane at an airport where the pilot and air traffic control are 80yr. olds, who SHOULD HAVE BEEN RETIRED 10 years prior! What's not to get, unless you're just choosing NOT TO?! Look, not all over 70yr. old people are senile, don't have their wits about themselves.....The point, why are RETIRED JUDGES, always the same ones being used by the same people, used to come in and decide CERTAIN CASES? As well, in this particular situation why/how is it proper for the LAW DIRECTOR to be the one picking the JUDGE? Anyone else notice the PATTERN in regards to our COURT SYSTEM here in Erie County over the last 10+ years? When a person has to face the JUSTICE SYSTEM, they're only hope is that system will be fair, honest and above board with them, as it should be with everyone! We can all talk until we're blue in the face, facts are facts. Especially the FACT THAT THIS ALL LOOKS PRETTY WELL ROUTED, and those that COULD/SHOULD do what's best for this particular situation, WON'T! Why is that? This situation casts a bad light on the ENTIRE CITY GOVT., especially the LEADERS, COPS & COURTS!

Anonymous

I seem to remember that both Chiefs,Neusse and McClung, stated the fact that software would be incompatible.Then Tom Ferrell came to the rescue with a plan. A 60k study that would be covered by a grant. I hear that that study on joint dispatch is now over 90k none of which was covered by a grant. Now we have gone full circle and the city is back wanting to talk to Perkins about joint dispatch. And Neusse was the dishonest one?

Anonymous

....Free Elsbeth Baumgardner....

Anonymous

There sure does seem to be a lot of crap going on in our city. I tried to research the two judges that were recommended by Icsman, Cirigliano and Richard B. McQuade. I couldn't find much on Cirigliano but heard that he was very old, closer to age 85 than 80 as posted in the comments. I have to wonder why K. Ronald Bailey is comfortable with Cirigliano. If I were Nuesse, I would have hired an attorney from away and not from Erie County.

From my readings about Richard B. McQuade, I found the following links and they were not favorable at all. I sure would not want McQuade as a judge.
http://www.noethics.net/Ethical_...
http://www.noethics.net/Watchdog...
http://www.noethics.net/links.htm

Personally, I think that Nuesse would not go along with the powers that be but wanted to do the right thing. I don't like the way that politics or should I say corruption is running things in our city. Perhaps an organized march around the courthouse to protest what is happening might be a good starting point. All that I want to see is accountability and for the truth to come out. I remember years ago when there was a protest march around the courthouse by a group of fathers for divorce reform. Organize a march around the courthouse as a start. Where are those ministers when you really need them?

Anonymous

It will be interesting to see how Mr. Baxter's office handles the teachers in Perkins School District who committed insurance fraud with tax payers dollars. So if he gets Judge
Cirigliano to hear the case, we all know what that means as well.

Anonymous

HOPE YOU GET A 7 FIGURE SETTLEMENT, KIM!! GOOD LUCK AND GOD BLESS.