Warning: Former Erie County auditor uses profanity

Matt Westerhold
Jul 17, 2012

Warning: The attached audio includes profanity that some might find offensive. 

Former Erie County auditor Tom Paul was downright nasty when he called the Register this past weekend to complain about a story in the Saturday Register about property evaluations. Judge it for yourself. Listen to the message he left for reporter Andy Ouriel. 

Paul asks why he wasn't contacted for the story headlined "Property taxes could decline." Here's the answer: Because when he was the county auditor he frequently did not return phone calls, or, if he did, did not answer the questions reporters asked.

In his message, Paul suggests there was an inaccuracy in the story, but I'm simply not sure that's the case. In fact, I'm pretty sure Paul is rewriting history to serve his own purposes without regard to any accurate account of history.  

Listen to the message in the player below

With that said, I did contact Paul after listening to his profane message early on Monday. He did not answer his phone or return the message I left. In my message to him, I asked Paul to send an email directly to me specifying exactly what he found to be inaccurate in the story. I told him if he sent that email the Register staff would review it to determine whether a correction is necessary.

Nobody deserves to be talked to in the profane manner that Paul spoke in the message he left for Ouriel. Private citizens and even reporters and editors don't deserve that kind of abuse. But some in the "entitled wing" of the local Democratic Party believe they should never be questioned or held to the decisions they make, in any way, before an election, or after losing an election. Tom Paul is one of those Democrats.

  

Comments

Matt Westerhold

Yes Diane, we'll have to agree to disagree. You are a very bright woman and it seemed quite clear you had a keen awareness of the nature of the questions you were asked. Suggesting you didn't understand does not seem authentic, IMO. You also seemed to have a keen awareness of what a public official is required to do regarding the "reasonable time" the law requires with regard to responses to public records requests, and the rules regarding withholding documents directly related to those requests. You even since that time have asked for the Register's assistance in that regard since you are experiencing some of the same problems that existed when you were the fiscal officer.

Diane Schaefer

Matt,

You give me more credit than perhaps I deserve.

I answered the expenditures question with the information I believed Ouriel was asking for.  Sorry if I couldn't read his mind and answer with what he really wanted.  And after further clarification, it is easy for others, including the Trustees, to say that I should have done this or that.

And with my knowledge of public records, I know that with the requirement to provide records in a reasonable time, there is also a duty to protect the indentify of some people.  In the case of the cell phones, I was doing just that when I sought legal advice.  I am sorry that I could not provide the information within your timeline, but I did provide what I could and eventually provided all.

And yes I have asked for the SR assistance in getting some PR information.  But has there been any help or any articles regarding my lack of ability to get those records?  Seems ironic that when it happens to the SR it is news worthy.  But when it happens to a taxpayer, it is not that important.

kstreng

Thats pretty darn funny.  I can say this, Tom Paul probably wasnt drunk, thats just how he is.  He was just upset and couldnt come up with the right words. I mean after wandering around Castalia stealing his neighboors newspapers he was just out of breath... ya $hithead.

Kimo

 

Re:That's just my opinion, that it's a cheap shot.

 

The way “I recall” the weeks and months leading up to the election, the SR articles about Ms. Schaefer were mostly negative. Sure you can make a few positive comments in any article, but when the majority of comments in that article are negative the reader is more likely to draw a negative conclusion.

  I’m going by memory this morning and have not bothered to go back and find all the articles but if you go back and look I think you will find articles that complained about the SR not getting information as fast as they thought they should. The articles (IMO) were the SR acting like a spoiled kid, “I want it and I want it now”.   The notion that you can beat on someone and then say “Gee I think your great” is less than intelligent. When you beat on someone in a newspaper that is what will stick in the minds of most readers.   The way I see it, the SR influenced the election and not in Ms. Schaefer’s favor.   I remember thinking when the results came in, “The SR cost her that job”.   That is my opinion based on what I read and what I remember from both the print and web versions.  

 

 
Kimo

I'm still hung up on the motive for posting the message left at the SR.

It smells like a week old roadkill.

kstreng

I dont know what the motive for posting is, but it shows the type of person Amy Grubbe and the Erie County Democrats prop up as their candidates. This just proves what I have said in multiple post, its not about anything other than being loyal to Amy if you wanted to get anywhere in the party (which is why I stopped working with the ECDP). Its not about being smart, effective, well spoken, able to do a job, or heck even being a Democrat (Tom Paul was a life long Republican). She made him join her club, and them promised to back him no matter what. Matt and the register are just starting to shed some light on their games.

DickTracey

Haha, drunk dialing!

He should download the ap, that takes a breathalizer on you to unlock your keypad, after youv'e been drinking!!

He stutters and stammers and hiccups like a real drunk!

Centauri
Kimo wrote: "The way I see it, the SR influenced the election and not in Ms. Schaefer’s favor.   I remember thinking when the results came in, “The SR cost her that job”."   I agree with you Kimo 100%. I tried to send you a personal message but you have disabled your contact link. Some things need to be discussed in a private and confidential setting. I have a lot of confidential information that I would like to share with you. I will never ask for your name or identity. Feel free to contact me. I accept all private messages.
Diane Schaefer

Matt, what was the point of the two links you added to your previous post?

Here is one for you, but I'm certain you (or your Public Records Expert) know if by heart: 

http://www.auditor.state.oh.us/services/opengov/resources/YellowBook2012.pdf 

Referring to Chapter II, Section B(3)

Where does it say the 'reasonable' is the date set by the requester (the reporter or editor)?

According to the first section, I should have clarified Ouriel's request about the expenditures.  In fact after that I think we started requiring all requests from the SR to be in writing. I was following the second section when I located the multiple records he wanted regarding legal counsel and building permits dating back to 1993.  I think it took me almost a week to get this one done.  I don't remember all the details, but I think Ouriel was following up on one of his tips, but it turned out he had inaccurate information.  My, oh, my, could he have been wrong? I was following the third section - Review, Analysis, Redaction - when I asked for a legal opinion of the cell phone request.  Unfortunately this didn't meet the deadline set by your editor. It is the fourth section that is causing me problems.  The Township doesn't believe that they have to provide records in the medium of my (the requester) choice.  All the records I have requested exist in electronic format on a computer that is used almost every day, but yet I am still having difficulty getting my April request fulfilled within a reasonable time.  Only recently have I gotten the June financial information approved at the July 10th meeting, and even then it is in bits & pieces and not all of it yet. 

 

What is most disturbing about this is that the Chairman wants to go paperless because it is faster.  In addition I believe most of Board/Fiscal Officer attended public records training in June, and they still don't understand.  It is not an option.  It is a requirement. 

Back to Tom Paul. I don't know him socially, just professionally. But the speech pattern (not what he said, but how he said it) on the audio is his normal speech pattern, albeit a little upset.

wiredmama222

@ Ms Schaefer.....why do YOU care who I am or what I think I am.  Does my name mean that much to you or anyone else?  Why is that so important to anyone on here or anywhere else?  If someone recognized me, so what?  Big deal. More power to them.  Why do YOU want to know so badly.  Am I that important to anyone?   My goodness I didn't realize the power I had.  My "big deal" of interviewing was nothing more than to question Mr Westerhold about his interview with Ms Goode and how that interview was "pre recorded" not allowing the audience to question her about her conduct, which I felt was unfair to the police officers who arrested her.  Had you read the article, perhaps you would have been better informed.  Instead you are just as misinformed as you can be

You seem to be offended because I feel Mr. Paul's language and the TIME LINE as you put it is OFF.  I dont care what the TIME LINE is.  An unreturned call is an UNRETURNED CALL.  How can anyone in a political position NOT understand that fact?????  I don't care if it was 10 years ago or yesterday.  When someone asks a question, you answer it. 

Why ddn't he take the time to answer the calls that were placed to him?  Did he have a secretary?  Yes, I believe he did?   So he was too busy?  Oh, come now.  He simply didn't want to.  Since when does the press have to give a "heads up" to the politicans about ANY story they run?  Why is that? 

And when he got embarrassed by a story....THEN he got upset.  THEN he answered and he let loose with a barage of obsenity that would embarrass a sailor.  There is NO excuse for that type of behavior.  If a politiian cannot hold their tongue, they shouldn't hold that job.  It is that simple.  That is why I AM NOT A POLITIAN.  So don't blame those of us who see it for what it is.  And don't blame a reporter who got the call or wrote the story.  If I was on the receiving end of tha smutty call, I would have been truly offended.  Shame on Mr Paul.  He had no right to talk to the reporter that way. 

The truth is, it all could have been avoided had he answered the phone or returned his messages in a timely manner.  But instead, his friends and buddies want to blame everyone else.  Now its the timeline or those who criticise him. 

And now its ME for not giving my name.  OMG..where will this end?????  With it be someone not paying taxes in Perkins?  Will it be their fault next?    For heaven sakes.  This guy needs to grow up and his friends need to stop this stupid blame game. 

Really, Diane, I thought you were smarter than that.  Really I did. 

 

Kimo

 

Re:why do YOU care who I am

The reason you use a screen name..... is the answer to your question.........

 

 

wiredmama222

@ Kimo...first of all you make no sense.....secondly......do YOU use a screen name ?   Does deertracker, eastend rez, gardenman, etc......so why should I not use one?  Is there an exception for just me?  And why would that be?  Please tell me so it is clearly stated that I must be the exception to the rule around here when all others are permitted to use a screen name, but I must use my real name??? 

You know, it seems to me that the selectivism you suggest smacks of a fear that rests on paranoia?  Are you afraid?  Why is that Kimo?  Why do you fear not knowing to whom you are speaking?   Why the fear of whom I might be or not be?   I have repeatedly told all of you, my name means nothing and I am nothing more than a citizen of the City of Sandusky but still you are worried about my name. 

Wow....it apparently really worries you, Diana and others..  I have the same freedom as you and all the others on here to use a screen name.....and why not???   Do you see yourself as special?  Do you think you have the right to DEMAND that I reveal my real name and you do not have to????  What makes you think you have that right?????   Are you the monitor on here?????  You call yourself KIMO....is that YOUR real name?????? 

Kimo

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Kimo

 

Re:You call yourself KIMO....is that YOUR real name?????? 

That's the name my mother gave me when we moved from Kenya to Hawaii.

On the mainland it would be Jimbo.

LOL

 

 

Just Asking

Wiredmama - I think Kimo's first response was actually defending your position.

But quoting from one of your own blogs about Mr. Paul  you said - "When someone asks a question, you answer it".  So did you mean to add a list of exceptions like, if I feel like it, or something like that.  Personally if you appeared on BTL I don't see the big deal.

I also noted that your original response to Schaefer was at 3:24 AM!!   I'm not going to assume anything, but there were some that accused Paul of being under the influence when he returned a call at 11:00 PM and because he stammers. 

By the way I think your screen name is very fitting.

reader

It's interesting that the Register would delete the last 4 numbers of Tom Paul's phone number after several days of openly airing the entire number.

I guess Matt finally realized what a distasteful tactic that was.  Too bad he wasn't big enough to apologize for the act.

 

wiredmama222

@just asking......I was not one of those who accused Mr Paul of being "under the influence" so stop right there and get your facts straight.  Go back and look.  I said that as a politician he should have answed the questions on the phone and I sincerely mean that.

Just because I went on BTL does not mean that I should be required to give up my name to anyone.  In fact it was advertised as "wiredmama interviews Matt Westerhold" and I distinctly stated I was not there to answer questions.  The entire point was to question HIM not the other way around.  Many of you seemed to miss the distinction.  Why is it NONE of you has taken the offer to follow me on that show as requested??????

Just like this story is not about me but about Mr Paul and his total lack of regard for others with his profanity and his expectation of being asked or told about a story because he thinks he deserves advanced notice when he didn't return phone calls early on. 

I still don't care for politicians who shirk their responsibilities to that while in office and then cry about it later.  When will people who hold office stop thinking they do not have a responsibility to the PUBLIC they serve?  

The newspaper also serves the public by printing stories that are going on.  When the politicians don't like what they print , the politicans get really riled up.  Like it or not, past or present political forces can get crankly about stories.  The newspaper owes a politician NOTHING.  And yet the politicians think they are owed everything.  Why is that?  I can never figure that one out.  And I said so.  If that makes me the bad guy, then so be it.  I just do not happen to agree. 

If you want to use me as the smoke screen then so be it.  But it does not change the facts.  It doesn't absolve Mr. Paul of a darn thing. 

I am NOT a politician.  I am not a community leader nor am I anything near that.  I am blogger who told Mr Westerhold shame shame on the story on Ms Goode and that HE should be interviewed about the police.  He took me up on it and we went from there.  So what?  That is as far as it goes.  That does not make me someone special. 

Mr Westerhold put out an offer to OTHERS who would like to do the same.  He, thus far, has had no takers to my knowledge.  Why not?  Is everyone afraid to do it?   You all put your words down on this but no one has the guts to do it on the air????  Then do NOT come at me for doing so and do not complain that I did have the guts. 

Remember....this story is about Mr Paul, not me.  If you want to complain to me.....click my name and contact me personally   I willl answer.  Otherwise, you are all getting WAY off topic and it is getting old quickly.  I think what bothers you all the most is you don't like hear the truth OR hearing common sense. 

Just Asking

Wired -

I never accuse you of saying that.  What I said was that "some people".  If you want to put yourself in that class, by all means don't let me stop you.

In another post you say that you are a "citizen of the City of Sandusky".  Bet that is a relief to the citizens of Perkins.  People like you are one of the reasons Perkins does not want to annex to the City.   

wiredmama222

@just.....Yes, you did.  And like I said, this story isn't about me but you just don't get it. 

oh, please.  The people in perkins think they are sooo much better than those in Sandusky and it is just not so.  Let me remind you of something.  You are not that great over there.  You people in perkins have more than your fair share of problems just as we do in Sandusky.  You may have more ROOM and shopping than we do but that is it.  .

People like ME have opinions, common sense and are free to make our statements, and are just as good as those of you in Perkins with your elitist attitudes etc.  I don't remember ONCE ever hearing that PERKINS wanted to annex the City of Sandusy, other than rumor and you believed it..  That would be really funny. 

I wouldn't want to be a citizen of PERKINS ,your tax base is outlandish for one thing.  You just built a huge stadium for your school and now you guys are clammering for a new tax hike for your schools (why).  You have drug problems in your schools and problems with your kids beating up adults. 

You have just as many problems in your little burg as the city of Sandusky, so don't tell me that people like me are the reason Perkins doesn't want to annex Sandusky. 

IF and WHEN that ever happened, the people of Sandusky would have something to say about it and I am pretty sure it wouldn't be a favorable vote. 

As much as you would love to believe that people like me are the reason, if it ever did happen you would have to take me along and then what would you do?   Move?   Oh, goodness, that  would be wonderful.  Because I wouldn't want such a terrible, opinionated person as you as my neighbor anyway.  I couldn't stand having that in my neighborhood.  It would haunt me night and day to think that I had to live with a person who cannot stand to hear a person with an apposing opinion or someone who speaks truths about someone else.  Wow.  How terrible that would be.  And there are more out here like me.  How would that ever be accepted in Perkins ?  

PerkinsVoter

The voters of Sandusky or Perkins don't have a clue. The voters don't know their anal orifices from a hole in the ground.

wiredmama222

AGAIN.....TO ALL OF YOU OUT THERE.    Mr. Westerhold had invited all of you to pick a topic and join him on BTL to ask him questions.  Some of you have had so very much to say about his articles in the newspaper as well as what his reporters have to say in their articles.  But not one of you has YET to contact him and ask to be on BTL. 

Yet many of you have jumped me, criticized me and taken me to task for not giving my name simply because I had the guts to go on there.  Are you just jealous?  Is it envy?  Or is it something more?  You ask who I am or who I think I am.  I have repeatedly told you and will say again I am NOTHING MORE THAN A SIMPLE HOUSEWIFE..  I do not say and have NEVER said I was more than that.  I do not put myself out there as more than that.  If you think I am more important then the problem is YOURS and not mine.  It is flattering that some of you have built it up in your minds, however untrue your fantasy is. 

What some of you need to do is get off your duffs and take a topic that is your passion and go ask Mr. Westerhold some questions of your own. Many of you have brought up some wonderful discussions on these boards and then just left them lay.  Why not do what I did.?  Just get on there and do it. 

It takes some backbone to come from behind your name and show your face, but if you believe in what your are writing wny not.? 

You need not give up your name.....that isn't a REQUIREMENT  no matter who much these people try and badger you for it.  It is none of their business.  That is why you have a screen name to begin with.  And if someone recognizes you, so what. 

Take it to the airways.  Say what you have to say and ask HIM to explain.  They do not bite... in fact, it is very interesting. 

And what happens after that is just so much writer envy.  Because some of these people do not have the backbone to do what you are about to do or the strength of their conviction on what they say when it comes to showing their face. 

It takes a little strength and a lot of backbone to come out from behind the cover and say what you believe.  Even for a few minutes.  But some of you can do it like I did.  I think some of you have the guts to do what i did.  Some of you can. 

I wish some of you would because you have a lot to ask that is of value and of importance.  Those who have that will make a difference.  Those who attack you never made a difference in their entire lives and never will. 

Kimo

 

Re:or someone who speaks truths about someone else.

I know a person that will make up a story and when challenged witl reply, "Well it's the truth, I'll swear on a stack of bibles".

An opinion is an opinion; it may or may not be correct or the truth.

But that is just my opinion......

LOL

 

wiredmama222

@Kimo....what ARE you talking about now? 

LookingDown

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Julie R.

It's not just the people from Perkins that think they are sooo much better than the people in Sandusky, so do the people in Huron --- which has to be the biggest joke of all. As I have said many times before --- with the exception of a crook Lorain County attorney that got paid big bucks to prepare a fraud quitclaims deed, all the idiots that criminally defrauded my elderly mother at the end of her life were from HURON. I have so many fraud documents with my mother's name FORGED on them (even after her death) prepared by her HURON attorneys, an insurance agent from HURON, and the manager of a HURON bank, I could wallpaper my living room with those fraud documents!  

wiredmama222

which no doubt came from a "forged"  EC attorney POA.  I have no doubt in doing reseach.   Keep then Julie they may be needed in the near future. 

Common Sense

Re: wired mama

In speaking of citizens of neighboriing areas, take in account that not every person (or for that matter, a majority) is the same as the person your painted.  It's the same thing when residents of Perkins, Huron, Castalia, or simi.ar communities place their judgement on others.

You will not see Perkins asking to annex Sandusky because, in my opinion, Perkins has enough on their plate as it stands.

As for the stadium, it is my understanding that no school funds were used for its construction.  Money was raised and generous offers were made to complete the construction.  Similar to families whose income does not rise, the schools (and not just Perkins) are facing serious challenges in terms of finances.  Townships and cities are also feeling the pinch.

This article was about the former auditor.  However, since you wished to convey another message in your past post, I felt that it needed to be addressed.

 

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