Sandusky city manager Nicole Ard joined us for our Friday afternoon edition of Between the Lines.
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Come on Matt?? Really? So giddy regarding the police chief?? If anyone is so encumbered in this issue...it has to be you!! You are so clear when you think that you have been somehow wronged? You are acting like a victim rather than an Editor of a newspaper. You have zero integrity to the periodical world, and I truly question your ability to report news without bias, which is required of your job! Amazingingly enough you can push out a giggle when our police dept. is mentioned, however, you have a pregnant pause when asked what you are doing for the next " charitable" cause you will be working at! GET YOUR BOOT STRAPS ON and be an officer, you're so bold to run your mouth...why not strap on a vest and deal with the lousy that you protect?????
If I could've called in...my question to Nicole would be.."Ask Matt why he has such an intestinal fortitude against the SPD"???? I think intestinal fortitude would've been a little over head! Funny that you bring up bricks and mortar being thrown...you are a classic!
It's just an over-pass...duh!!
Ed Feick...that was a funny?? You have such a lack of couth!!
You didn't have to think of questions????? Seriously...isn't that your job? WOW!! Nicole completely owned you! She was precise , ready and knew her j-o-b! But once again...you have to put words in her mouth, while she is trying to find them to push your own agenda.
Matt, I have tried over and over to get you as an authentic publicist, you however, continuously let the bricks fall out of the bottom!! I f you can stand up for that interview and say that you did your j-o-b with all the integrity and professionallism that you assume......good luck. No wonder you work here!
btw, where are all your bloggers now??
turner915, nothing that I could add, a great comment, you hit it!!!!!
Agrees with Marcus M, and for sure with Turner915. There was no sense watching the stupid show, because we all know what the format was going to be.
Thanks for commenting cityslicker, turner and marcus. I encourage you to call me (419-609-5866) and offer constructive suggestions on how the program can be improved. And thanks for watching "Between the Lines Live," but please be sure to review the guidelines for commenting and abide by them.
It's amazing that you guys still want to blame the SR for create a bad overview of the SPD. It is THEIR OWN fault that they look bad - the SR only reports what is going on there. That IS their job. That department is like reading a comic strip. I can't wait to see what those silly men will do next.
If you truly want every person to abide by your guidelines, then maybe the SR needs to also. NOONE can have it both ways...If you are in the job of calling people out, than expect reciprocity. If Marcus, Cityslicker and I are the only people you are calling out, obviously i'ts due to the fact that we disagree. Isn't that what blogs and "freedom of speech" is all about?? Seriously?? You call out people EVERYDAY in this paper, regardless of their circumstance, without thought of the end result!! So why are the guidelines only due to citizens that disagree with you?? Think about it?? WM attacks every blogger almost every day, where is her WARNING?? If freeedom of speech is still legal than ALL I see is a deal!!
I can tell you right now how to improve your show, without calling you!! Quit being biased!! Report or question without obvious intent!! Journalism 101!!
Matt Westerhold says"but please be sure to review the guidelines for commenting and abide by them." Which means, my minions should only agree with my biased agenda or be deleted....
@sanduskysteve.....you can talk until you are blue in the face, and you will never convince most of these people that they are wrong. They have convince themselves that the SPD have done nothing wrong and that the SR has been the cause of it all. When someone is this locked into their own minds and have become this badly convinced that they are right not matter HOW wrong they are, then talking is just pointless.
You can tell by the comments they make. I have talked to some of the cops and even THEY are glad to be rid of some of the guys who are gone. They don't want they ones who are "bad seeds" there either, not the ones who make them look bad. It's ironic that the good ones don't want them making them look like idiots. And what is even MORE ironic is they don't blame the SR for the problems. They blame the bad cops, the ones who caused all the problems. So its a little strange that others who do blame the paper obviously don't know what the heck is going on or what they are talking about, so I wouldn't worry too much about it. In fact, those who are complaining the most are just making the good police officers look rather idiotic and that is indeed sad. I'm just waiting for the day when they get told to " back off " by these guys.
As for Matt, he has offered to talk to those who disagree, offered to be open to suggestions, etc. I don't know what more he can do than that. If they don't want to take advantage of that, they what more can he do? I guess complaining is all most of the bloggers can do. Obviously they are not really interested in taking advantage of constructively asssisting, just complaining, and there is nothing more depressing than that, now is there?
btw Steve, they posted the names of the 29 in the paper today....if the committee is smart, they will eliminate those from Ohio and concentrate on those from out of state. There is one in particular that is really a qualified candidate.....a guy from NYC.....homicide detective. I can imagine the skill sets that guy would bring to the job. Not bad at all. He would make a really good Chief for here. They should eliminate everyone from Ohio and stick with someone from out of state. that would eliminate any chance of getting the GOB problem started again......no chance of causing any problems.
The only viewpoint you read in this newspaper are their biased views, agendas are more important than just reporting the news. If you don't bow down and dare disagree you are constantly securitized, if you feed them information you can do no wrong. Professional journalism and unbiased reporting no longer exist in this city...
@ Marcus.....I believe he gave you the chance to disagree with him and gave you a phone number. Why do you not use it. If you feel so strongly about this, and you obviously do, why not call and make your suggestions instead of your comments here?
If you feel that the SR does not have the journalism that you wish to see, tell them what you want to see and make your suggestions. Matt is giving you the opportunity to do just that. If I was given that opportunity I would certainly use it to my best advantage.
You state that you think you "don't bow down and dare disagree you are constatnely secruritized, if you feed them information you can do no wrong'. Then tell them so in no uncertain terms Do what you think is necessary to change things.
I think the SR does a pretty good job of professionally reporting the news as it happens in town, but you obviously disagree. You have an opportunity to make a change. Take it.
The problem is the only view you can read in this city is what this newspaper choose to give you, from personal experience I can attest its not unbiased and usually with an agenda. I have made a choice, not to purchase any advertising or a subscription to this newspaper..
and I won't argue with you, cause I can't FORCE you to be right!
Marcus - this from someone who is a republican and relies on Fox News for their source of honesty and unbiased opinion. LOL
And to Turner - I'm afraid that I DO NOT see wiredmama on here insulting people in every post she makes. I think you are confusing her with your reflection in the mirror or something like that. There ARE those on here that insult everyone everytime they post and I can think of a few off the top of my head - Marcus, you, and taxpayer for three - but certainly not WM. OK, so now you all can attack me as well - but I agree with 99 percent of what WM says as she does with me.
Especially about the SPD. Westerhold has a job to do. That job is to inform the city of the goings on that effect our everyday life as well as our taxmoney - just to make a couple of things. He reports the news, he does not create the news. And it is just unfortunate that SPD is in the news so often as of late. I completely agree with some of you that the issue is the command in SPD controlled and run by the GOB network. Until you clear them all out - not much will change. That is a given.
sanduskysteve, go drive your taxi, I watch a number of news media with wide views, and read, something you can only dream of...
see the e-mail...my computer won't accept yours!
@ turner and Marcus.......I didn't have the chance to be there at the time Ms Ard was doing the live feed. I saw it only after the fact. How many were present at the time things were going on?
If anyone was "called out" as it was put, perhaps it was that they were the ones that had "suggestions on how the show could be better. Is that what was being said at the time? Or is that what the question were? Since I was not there, is that what perhaps what was going on?
It seems to me you three that were "invited" to call were invited to give your opinion on changes. Why the fear to give them. I don't know how many others were there so sincer I was not there, I cannot comment as to why you three were asked.
But I do know that most of the time I have seen two of you rant that the SR is not an unbiased paper. I wonder why you bother with posting on here since that is your position?
Why drag me into your problems with them.? I don't see things your way so don't blame me for your problems with the SR, it isn't my fault if they call you out.? I did nothing to get "warned" about?.
Like everything else, you look for others to blame. Take the problems you create on yourselves, and stop blaming others. What was it you said, Turner...its just for "fun", just "entertainment"? Now, suddenly, it isn't?
I do not attack others on this site every day, Turner. That is YOUR perception and it is wrong. I am allowed the same freedoms as you.....that of free speech. If it does not coincide with your ideas of the SPD, too bad. We are miles apart on that and we need to agree to disagree on what the bad ones have done down there. End of story. Lets just let that one go, shall we? Move on.
Seems you cannot have it both ways. I still say, if invited to have your say, stop backpeddling and call the man. What have you to fear?.
If you two come on here and rant and rave about how bad the SR is, why not face him and tell him what changes you want to see made?. You have nothing to fear. Haven't you the guts to do it face to face? I would
wiredmama222, get your panties out of a bunch, I have never posted about you or to you, we all have our right to express our personal opinion.
At the 30 minute mark, discussion began on the future of Adams Junior High and moving City offices to that location.
Rather than moving City offices there, perhaps ECEDC and the City could tandum to bring a college branch to downtown Sandusky
@TA Schwanger......which college branch would you suggest? Firelands is in Huron, Tri C is in Lorain. What other college would be interested in opening in Sandusky other than a branch of Ohio State and they just raised tuition ? or Tiffin University?
Would it not be more cost effective to move the City Hall and the police department to the Adams bldg than to build another building to house both of them since they are rapidly outgrowing their quarters? The Adams building could house both with a minimum of changes I would think and be beneficial to house both?
@ T.A. Schwanger, great idea. Honestly, what better way to bring people into downtown than to bring in a college. My guess is that this won't happen because the current administration cares more about growing government and upgrading their office space than attracting something that might be useful to the citizens and businesses.
To all those who support this moron, you are no better than him and I am not what you call the biggest fan of those jokes that run the SPD, I respect the officers, but the command staff is a JOKE, but so is Matt Westerhold and he knows it. I was downtown for the funeral procession for Ofc. Dunn and as the cruiser wound through the streets they got to where Matt was standing and he turned his back, that was by far the most classless act I have ever seen in my life and Matt, you can delete this or deny my claim, but you know its true and I KNOW its true because I saw it with my own eyes. You are a dispicable human being (and I use that term lightly). Maty you are NOT a journalist, you are a poor mans version of those people who work on TMZ. Matts job is to report the news, not make it up and those who claim he is "doing his job" are just as pathetic as he is, if thats possible. Bottom line is, these officers face tough times everyday, not only from the people they protect, but from the newspaper and they are left to answer for the indiscretions of their co-workers who have put a black eye on that department and the fact they are able to put that aside and still do their jobs, they deserve applause not disgrace, but I will reitterate, the contempt I have for those who run that department and feel that they should be removed, and they know who they are....JL, PF and JO.
@JohnDorian......if you know for sure that ANY part of a story is "made up" as you say, I would love to know what that is. TRULY. And I mean that from the bottom of my heart. I have had persons in my own family who have been members of the SPD.
Some of the members of the SPD are FINE officers. Some of that command staff need to go to jail, some need just to go. And yes, they know who they are. It isn't just that some need to retire, they need to leave this city so they can not influence the dept ever again.
It is a joke that the command staff, as Lang stated, should be "in on the decision to hire the new chief". ARE YOU KIDDING ME????? That is the farthest thing from the truth that ever existed.
The new person should not even be from Ohio as many of the people from around here agree. Seriously!!!!! Many people from Sandusky are sick of the same old, same old and want a huge change in the SPD. They are tired of the good old boy routine and want to see it changed. The only way that will happen is from the top down. They want the GOOD cops kept and the bad ones out.
The only way to do that is to get a good chief who isn't afraid of letting heads roll. The good cops know who they are. They have nothing to fear the bad ones do. The bad ones are the ones giving the good ones the black eye.
It isn't the paper that did this, its the bad cops. Did the bad cops think this would NEVER come to light???? And it doesn't stop there. It does deep. Like the court and the prosecutors. They could be next and it wouldn't surprise anyone in town....not really.
So eveyone needs to relax a bit and wait until the committee and the council makes their decision and see. Frankly this is one decision I would LOVE to see the city make as a whole but it won't happen. I would love to see all the locals be eliminated, frankly all the OHIO people eliminated and get an out of stater brought in to be sure no GOB continues.
Start fresh and clean. That would be ideal. But I am afraid it won't happen.
Marcus, it was not you to whom I was referring. it was your buddy Turner, so get your foot out of my backside. I believe I was clearly speaking to Turner at that point, as it states TURNER after the coma. But while on the subject, I wasn't even there and you THREE were, so deal with it on your own and don't drag me into your problems with the SR. You guys are the ones with problems with the SR, not me. If and when I have a problem with them, I will deal with it on my own. Until then, I will continue to defend them.
And yes, we do have the right to express our personal opinions.....each of us
wiredmamma222, I"ll get my foot out if you take your head out....
i would if were in there. Look, Marcus, I am not going to do this with you, like I did with your buddy turner. Having a battle of wits with an unarmed person is not my idea of fun and games. so lets just end this now. I will say YOU WIN and leave it right there.
No one wins in a battle like this so I GIVE...happy now? You and your buddies like nothing better than to continue on and on and on with your insults ad nauseum with no results. Just go about your busines of insults elswhere. I have no desire to play!
I personally enjoy Matt Westerhold's editorials. In fact, they are the first thing I look for in the Sunday papers. I might not always agree but the majority of the time I think he is spot-on with everything he says. If the SR ever bans me from commenting it still would not make me cancel my subscription. One might say the Sandusky Register is a long-time family tradition.
wiredmamma222 let drop it, If I would agree with you we would both be wrong.
I also have close relatives who have worked for the SPD and yes I do have specific stories about the goings on at that department, but it is not time for those to come out, but soon.....I also feel that it is the Sandusky Registers right to investigate things, that is what they are there for, but I just wish they would focus on things other than that department. The overwhelming majority of the officers are great people who work in a fish bowl, everything they do is viewed like no other profession and they know that when they take the job. The problem with that department, is that those very same officer who are faced with dealing with the dreads of society and then have to deal with the command staff, who seem to be more out to get them than to support them. I dont know who will get the spot, but they HAVE to go out side of Erie County, that department needs fresh blood, but I think we all know who is the leading candidate and if im right, then it isnt going to get any better......just ask Kim Nuesse about how the Good Ole Boys work down there, if they dont want you, they CAN and WILL get rid of you...understand I am NOT a Nuesse supporter, but that woman fot railroaded!! THAT is fact and one day soon that will come out too!!
@JohnDorian.......you suggest that anyone who supports the SR is as "moronic" as the managing editor of the SR and I take exception to that comment. Why can one not support both the SPD and the SR at the same time?
Like I said, I have friends that work at the SPD and I support most of what the SR does. It doesn't come down, for me, to having to take side as to one or the other. What is happening with the SPD right now was brought about by a bunch of stupid idiots at the SPD acting out in a most disrepectful way, without regard for their fellow officers. They didn't give a tinkers toot about what their actions did to or for their fellow officers. They could have cared less. And I really think, as in the past, they thought that someone would "sweep it under the rug" for them. They thought their bad behaviour would go unnoticed. What they forgot to take into account was what had happened in this community over the past year. The Neusse incident and Dunn's murder. The SPD was being watched. And some of the less than stellar cops failed to realize that their antics were NOT going unnoticed. So when their bad behavior DIDN"T get swept under the rug.....OUCH. It went into print and suddenly the whole community heard about it.
Instead of assuming the blame themselves, they tried their darndest to blame everything on the paper. That didn't go over as well as anticipated. Then another, and another cop got into trouble and wow.....all the seams came unglued. Suddenly the SPD started looking a little too dumb for words. That wasn't the paper's fault either.
So try as hard as they wish they could, the SPD uppper management tried to shift blame after blame and it just didn't work. Now they are stuck with the entire mess and no one to blame at all. The secret is out and its a dirty one. Too bad. The good cops....and there are many....got caught in the web. the good old boys are still trying to run the table and that isn't going so well either. Before too much longer this whole mess is going to explode and watch out. Someone MAY go to jail who isn't looking to. Then watch what happens. There are forces here that many do not know about ......including the cops.
So don't be tooo surprised when even they and the paper are surprised at the outcome. Time has a way of sneaking up on even the most prudent.....even when they think they are protected. Just wait.
I agree with Wiredmama and John Dorian on selecting the new police chief from outside Ohio. In the short time I have lived in Erie County, I realize politics around here is controlled by the "Good Old Boys". Having lived throught the US, this is the norm for most small cities. And, as here, this means those who have the money and connections run the local governments. They are only concerned with their power and status and to he.. with everyone else. This means no new ideas or outsiders being elected to expose corruption that has been going on for years.
I say it is time to bring someone with no ties to the community; who doesn't owe some people favors and is not biased to any one group.
The Sandusky Register, Matt Westerhold and staff are doing a great service to the community for reporting the news facts. What I read could not be made up by a great fictional writer. At times, I feel Sanduksy should be renamed Paton Place. However, there are some good, concerned citizens trying to improve the local governments, schools and economy that need the support of the majority of the community.
Keep up the good fight, folks!.
I am very excited, and anticipating the changes to the dept our new Chief will install! I am a strong believer in having a voice, an articulate opinion, and justifying wrongs! I certainly hope with good values and strong commitment that the new Chief will be able to renew a department that has long been been harbored with not only internal problems, but outside battering.
My problem with everyone that believes that it needs to be a person from outside of our area, or even our State?? Seriously?? Have you ever taken your backside off your couch long enough to realize this kind of stuff happens EVERYWHERE?? From townships, to Cities, to Counties, to State and UPWARD!! if everyone thinks that the GOB is ever going to stop in funded departments...get a NEW life! Regardless of geography, everyone has an opportunity to fail. I don't believe in the GOB, but I certainly live in the real world. And as a matter of fact, have lived all across this country! Look, patronizing is almost a human state of mind....people in control give jobs to people that they like...it happens EVERYDAY! Nepotism will probably NEVER end, and in the mean time we are still tying to batter-ram the people that will continue to look out for our well-being.
I will state again, as I have SEVERAL times. I am NOT an officer (of any form), am not related to, nor do I personally know any officers from this depatment. I am not, nor ever been asked to, defend them in any from that is personal or come to a legal situation. I do however give them my own PERSONAL support, as I trust in them!
as stated by wiredmamma222: Before too much longer this whole mess is going to explode and watch out. Someone MAY go to jail who isn't looking to. Then watch what happens. There are forces here that many do not know about ......including the cops.
SPEAKING OF VEILED THREATS>>>>>>>sounds like one to me!!
Possibly this one should be followed up on??
So my freind wiredmamma, the one that enjoys all truth be revealed.....give us your determined knowledge as regards to the FORCES tnat many do not know about and the cops that are going to be involved?? Please share your informed intelligence that makes everyone else on the "outs", besides you and the people that are taking these "people" to jail...including the cops!!
Pretty strong words that I hope you can stand up for!!
Mr Turner.....I will say to you exactly what I said to your buddy Marcus.....do not start this up again. I believe you were warned once already. So you best stop now before you get in over your head this time. I do believe in truth. I am NOT using veiled threats, only stating facts that are none of your business. I am as sorry as I can be that they are none of your concern nor any of your business. Had you been asked to be included, then you would have been.
You have no right to ask about it, nor have you any right to be told about it. So do not be so inquisiitive. There are people who are included that know and that is enough. If they want you to know they will tell you. I will not. Sorry if you feel on the 'outs" but that is where you will remain unless those in the know wish otherwise.
The strong words will stand. Yes, I can back them up,as they are true. If cops are involved, which I did not say ALL COPS, there may or may not be some, but again, that is none of your business, then it is their concern and not yours, and they can deal with it themselves.
So you need not concern yourself if you, as you say, are not a cop. There are other aspects which, also do not concern you. There are 'forces' that also do not concern you. So why so inquisitive?. You seem to want to stick your nose in something that really has nothing to do with you and yet you are really very worried or upset over it? Why is that?
So, as I said to Marcus, I "give," I am not going to play this game with YOU or him, I quit, so stop right now and quit doing this. Oh, and Turner....never refer to me as your "friend' again. That is the farthers thing from the truth there is. I don't know you well enough to consider you an enemy, let alone a friend.
PEYTON PLACE WAS FICTIONAL! A NOVEL OF PURE FICTION! Nice try tho for the comparison...pretty close!
Ms. Metalious apprecreciates the kudos for sure.
"PEYTON PLACE WAS FICTIONAL! A NOVEL OF PURE FICTION! Nice try tho for the comparison...pretty close!" there are fictional events in sandusky and erie county. the court system is a good example when they use fiction instead of the facts. the gobs used fiction to get rid of nuesse. some people know what is going on and some people don't have a clue. turner is a sheep or a wolf disguised as a sheep.
The women's state correctional facility is again not monitoring Internet access.
How many of the people who live here have ever lived OUTSIDE this city of Sandusky for even more than a month????? I doubt that many of the people here have. I have. I can tell you with absolute certaintainty that what has gone on in this city does NOT go on in even the biggest cities. This problem is very unique. The bigger cities cannot claim to have the good old boy routine that this city has had. Cities like New York and Columbus and even Tucson would never tolerate this kind of thing with their officers....not for one mintue. The officers would be OFF THE FORCE INSTANTLY for lying on an application, sexting, bar-fights, dishonoring their co officers and other sundry things such as steeling cookies and attacking civilians while intoxicated. And not one command staff officer would stick up for them during the invstigation. I can assure you of that. They would be gone.....UINON, or NO UNION....taxpayer before you get started on your rant.....I can assure you of it. We saw it first hand.
In fact, the cops in most places that are twice or three times the size of Sandusky are far more HONEST than we have here (not all of our cops are bad....but boy, what we have in bad boys are bad enough). The command staff here sucks because they are JUST as bad....with the exception of one.)
When a barrell of apples begin to go bad, its time to start sorting and throwing away and starting over. That is what we need to do. Start at the top and work down. I don't think it will take the right OUT OF STATE MAN too long to figure it out. He will know who he can depend on and who he cannot. He will have come from a place that doesn't deal with this kind of junk. And believe me we have a great deal of it around here. That is why we are in this mess. So when it stops it will only get better. The good cops will hold up their end, the bad ones won't. It won't take too long to figure out who they are. the bad one's won't be able to do their jobs well when they have to stick to the rules. They haven't been able to before, so why now?
I have faith in the good ones.
There are many on here who say they are not cops, don't know the cops, or whatever. Frankly, I don't believe them. I can't say for sure who they are, but they know who they are. The get riled up and scream every time a cop story or cop is brought to light in the SR. They scream and yell at the top of their lungs that something is wrong. Just watch. You will notice them by their panic mode on here and their constant rhetoric that they are "not cops, don't know them, etc. But they defend, defend, defend....and scream the loudest. I have my sincere doubts they they ARE in fact cops and they are worried. Worried in the worst way that their days are numbered. Perhaps they are.
poor little marcus, poor little boy. why don't you call up matt like he suggested? "Thanks for commenting cityslicker, turner and marcus. I encourage you to call me (419-609-5866) and offer constructive suggestions on how the program can be improved." go ahead marcus and call matt. you can block your phone number if you wish to remain anonymous. you can buy gizmos to disguise your voice. hey matt, here is what marcus will sound like if he does call you. marcus will sound exactly like this. http://www.wavlist.com/soundfx/009/chicken-1.wav lol!!!!! marcus in disguise.
Chill out ......
John Dorian, Your post to Matt Westerhold sounds like sour grapes to me. Innuendo, demeaning, just plain crap with your disclaimer that it is your opinion. Please. Your creditability is lost on me.
wiredmama222, You continue to comment on the SPD about the good and the bad cops. It fits with John Dorian's post--it sounds like sour grapes to me. Innuendo, demeaning, just plain crap with your disclaimer that the good cops know they you are and the bad cops? Please. Either support what you claim or zip it.
@ DG MUTLEY, expect a world of crap coming your way just because you spoke the REALITY...you have graciously and pointedly told that not EVERY person here is in the "KNOW", and in the case they feel that they are than you and I can truly prove how biased this paper is!!
Please tell us what is none of our business when put right up for everyone to read?? I am soo unclear about how the truth is only revealed for those in the "know" , but for the people on the "outs" news is abstract and hidden!?
Maybe if it's NONE OF OUR BUSINESS you should have a GAG order!!
So apparently not EVERYTHING reported is EVERYONE"S BUSINESS....oh how weird is that???
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