Recall Your Senses, People

Bryan Dubois
Mar 23, 2010

 

The funny thing about politics is that you could explain, in plain language, the probable reasoning behind public statements - and yet the words don't make a bit of difference on the intended effect of the public statements. 

Take for instance how the national democratic party publish "game plans" on how they're going to campaign to voters.  Party leaders stategize how they're going to emphasize certain election winning issues while downplaying others.  Even though the party's plan is completely public, it never seems to affect how the public views the issue - or how the public interprets the party's explanation on where they stand on the issue.

Example:  Democratic party chairman tells party loyalists to craft their message on "God and guns" to fit the views of southerners who are turned off by democratic views on those issues.  Do people take exception to the fact that the party is only changing their message to get elected?

Of course not.

Having said this, consider the idea that Deidre Cole and her committee may not move forward with this recall at all.  Even if they don't make another move, they've articulated the case against Craig Stahl and got it in the newspaper - which crystallizes public sentiment against the Stahl voting bloc:

...which of course hurts the Stahlin Voting Bloc regardless of whether the recall goes forward...

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Hey Don Lee!  Can I get a hat tip for the idea?!

Posted July 1st:

Don Lee on July 5th:

Biting the idea is my hat tip, I guess.  (I just still can't get over how Joe-the-douchebag-citizen gets a mention, but the 411 gets ignored.  Life just isn't fair.)

Comments

crummybuttlord

you're trying to rationalize this situation because you're stuck between a rock and a hard place.  you respect cole because of your contempt for stahl, but the idea of spending/wasting $20,000 on a recall election probably sends chills down your spine (or at least it should, considering your record of contempt for wasteful spending.)  by the way, i thought it was rather convenient that the register.com buried the article on how much the recall election would cost.  BIAS!!!! 

i asked mrs. cole what she would do to change this city, or at least what she would do differently than stahl.  it seems her platform is investing more in education for sandusky's citizens.  sheesh.  first of all, there are plenty of programs out there for anyone to receive a good education.  do we need to pick these people up and carry them to school, too?  second, where will all these "educated" people go to work?  i'm sure mrs. cole is a smart woman, but she needs to come up with something better than that.  i'll bet most of the folks on that list have equally unimpressive ideas (cough, coughnuessecough). 

p.s.  schwanger and johnson won't run, because then they would be accountable, and accountability can destroy an armchair quarterback/backseat driver of local politics. 

Bryan Dubois

I was wondering where you went....

Your comments are bolded, as usual.

you're trying to rationalize this situation because you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. 

No I'm not.  I'm simply pointing out how politics works.

you respect cole because of your contempt for stahl,

No, I respect Cole on her own merits.  She sees a problem and is willing to get involved to offer ideas on the solution.  I don't have any "contempt" for Craig Stahl.  I talk to him every once in awhile and I enjoy our conversation.  I actually like the guy.  I just think that - for whatever reason - he hasn't been the greatest city leader and things have gotten out of hand.  The entire thing isn't his fault, but he's not doing everything he can to stop the chaos.

but the idea of spending/wasting $20,000 on a recall election probably sends chills down your spine (or at least it should, considering your record of contempt for wasteful spending.) 

And I personally don't think it will go forward.  I think that it was a political move and a very good one at that.

by the way, i thought it was rather convenient that the register.com buried the article on how much the recall election would cost.  BIAS!!!! 

I was told that it got buried, but didn't look for it myself...so I don't know if it actually dissapeared or what.

i asked mrs. cole what she would do to change this city, or at least what she would do differently than stahl.  it seems her platform is investing more in education for sandusky's citizens.  sheesh.  first of all, there are plenty of programs out there for anyone to receive a good education. 

I've spoken to Cole too - and she has ideas that counter every single bad government practice mentioned in the SR summary of their recall petition.  Education may be just one part of her platform.  She has the right perspective...

do we need to pick these people up and carry them to school, too?  second, where will all these "educated" people go to work?  i'm sure mrs. cole is a smart woman, but she needs to come up with something better than that.  i'll bet most of the folks on that list have equally unimpressive ideas (cough, coughnuessecough). 

There you go again thinking that government is the solution to all our problems.  If and when Nuesse takes office (likely) she'll do her job to assist economic development by providing quality public services.  The city provides the right conditions, but real economic development is up to the community.  Attitude and perspective are the litmus tests for choosing candidates for public service.  Cole has the right perspective, as does Nuesse.  Kline does not - and neither does Stahl.

p.s.  schwanger and johnson won't run, because then they would be accountable, and accountability can destroy an armchair quarterback/backseat driver of local politics. 

I suppose you could slam me for the same thing...but I'm preparing...for...the...possibility...

crummybuttlord

i don't, by any means, think that government should solve all of our problems.  that was cole's stance, not mine.  i think my point was that people need to pursue education on their own, and there are several federal programs aimed at assisting the less fortunate.  mrs. cole seems to think that our current commission is standing in the way of the citizens making a future for themselves.  i think that is a poor excuse for the apathy in this town.  there needs to be a serious cultural movement in sandusky for anything to really change. 

it seems to me that most of the commissioners HAVE been trying to assist economic development.  what exactly do you want them to do?  hasn't the CRG been mostly responsible for slowing economic development?  i'm positive that schwanger, johnson, cole, you, etc. all love this city.  obviously you wouldn't do all of this if you didn't.  but i really haven't heard anything specific from anyone that really makes me think "great idea".  i hear alot of what we shouldn't do, but not what we should.  cole has not expressed anything but generalizations and rhetoric.  she says "invest in the people".  ok, how?  (besides more government assisted educational programs (her suggestion, not mine)).

so are you saying that you're running for commissioner?  by the way, it wasn't meant to be a "slam", but it is the truth, no?

Bryan Dubois

CBL's comments are in bold:

i don't, by any means, think that government should solve all of our problems.  that was cole's stance, not mine.  i think my point was that people need to pursue education on their own, and there are several federal programs aimed at assisting the less fortunate. 

Agreed.

mrs. cole seems to think that our current commission is standing in the way of the citizens making a future for themselves.  i think that is a poor excuse for the apathy in this town.  there needs to be a serious cultural movement in sandusky for anything to really change. 

Agreed again.

it seems to me that most of the commissioners HAVE been trying to assist economic development. 

I disagree.  Most commissioners are trying to cater to certain groups at the expense of others.

what exactly do you want them to do?  

I want them to do their jobs.  Their job is to provide public services at the lowest price possible without sacrificing quality.  They are not economic development geniuses.  They are public servants.  The people they hire for "economic development" are doing nothing more than practicing the same principles anyone can learn by opening up a basic economics 101 text book.  There is nothing special about it.  City commissioners have a role to play in econ development, but it's not the starring role.  The starring role is played by the people who actually develop companies.  The government can only set the stage, they can't play on it.  If they could, they wouldn't be working for the government.  (Employment that pay no matter how lousy of a job you do.)

hasn't the CRG been mostly responsible for slowing economic development? 

No.  I believe the CRG is trying to protect a public resource that is far more valuable to the citizens of Sandusky than a few temporary construction jobs and the resulting condos that aren't even supported by the market right now.  (The city's backward answer is the privatization and loss of the public waterfront.)

i'm positive that schwanger, johnson, cole, you, etc. all love this city.  obviously you wouldn't do all of this if you didn't. 

I do.  Sandusky is a diamond in the rough.

but i really haven't heard anything specific from anyone that really makes me think "great idea". 

There isn't a single "great idea."  Only a whole bunch of small ones.  That's a post in itself, but here are a few ways the city could develop themselves:  Have a well thought out marketing plan.  That plan would obviously include quality public services - and then identifying strengths and weaknesses and then minimizing the weaknesses and developing the strengths.  For example:  the city looks desperate when they put up a thousand signs that say, "this way to Sandusky's historic waterfront."  Well what is so "historic" about it, while they're busy trying to develop the waterfront with 13 story building that look like modern art masterpieces? 

It's incongruent.

They're better off trying to neutralize the unfortunate fact that the city is built on a masonic symbol (confusing streets with no direct route into the small section of downtown that the city wants to revive) by marketing the city as "the best kept secret in Ohio" or  "the heartlands best kept secret."  "the best kept secret in the buckeye state."  You get the idea?

Improve the city's infrastructure.  Nobody is going to follow a sign that says, "best kept secret in Ohio" if the roads that lead you to the secret look like crap.  They'd say, "that's one secret I'd rather not discover..."

Reinvent local government.  Become open.  Honest.  Have the PR skillz to back up the claim.  (Matt Kline isn't cutting it.)  When you find a young leader who has that ability - kiss his ass and tell him how much you love him because only true leadership and youthful energy are going to prevent Sandusky from turning into a ghetto.  (Mike Will comes to mind.)

i hear alot of what we shouldn't do, but not what we should.  cole has not expressed anything but generalizations and rhetoric.  she says "invest in the people".  ok, how?  (besides more government assisted educational programs (her suggestion, not mine)).

Generalizations are how people show you their perspective.  

I know that Mark Norman - who some consider to be an "angry white man" - attempted to put Sandusky on the map by giving it a green energy identity among Ohio cities.  He had the ear of some influential, well financed people - who were willing to fund his idea.  All he needed was support from the city to clear the lane.  Did they help him?  Nope.  Why didn't they help him?  That's another post - which will demonstrate another prosperity killing charactertistic among city officials:  "If it's not my idea - I won't support it."  But while they shut Norman down (which, get ready for this: may account for the apparent bitterness he harbors for the city's dysfunction) they tout the new wind turbine behind the police station as if it's something new and exciting.  A single wind turbine is small potatoes compared to the economic spark a green energy museum and clinic could've created for Sandusky.

so are you saying that you're running for commissioner? 

No.  Not right now.  A cultural shift would have to occur before I'd even consider spending my time, energy, and money on the city of Sandusky.  (Which, incidentally is why the city is dying:  Nobody wants to deal with Sandusky's dysfunctional local government.)

by the way, it wasn't meant to be a "slam", but it is the truth, no?

Maybe...

JustinBurr

411, I thought you had to live in the city of Sandusky to run for a seat on the commission?  I think you mean "think about running for trustee?"

 

And a green energy museum....get real.  That would attract  3 liberals in a yugo, prius, or element a month.

Bryan Dubois

411, I thought you had to live in the city of Sandusky to run for a seat on the commission?  I think you mean "think about running for trustee?"

You have to live in Sandusky for 3 years to run for public office there.  So yes, if I were to run for office in the city of Sandusky I would have to live there for a period of (3) three years.  I currently live in Perkins township.  I still know and love Sandusky as I consider it my hometown because I grew up there.  I love the waterfront and I love the parks. I spend alot of time there.

And a green energy museum....get real.  That would attract  3 liberals in a yugo, prius, or element a month.

Didn't know there was such a thing as "liberal money."  I thought it was all green.

crummybuttlord

were you a fan of mike will?  i thought he was a good catch...but didn't kaman and waddington lead the charge to force him out?  i agree that government should focus more on infrastructure, i just don't think there is enough money out there to pay for it.  thats synonymous with the rest of ohio, and pretty much the whole country.  some of your other ideas are good as well, but if we are going to market an image that sandusky is a great place to live, we need to back it up.  the fact is that many familys do not want to move here because the neighborhoods are falling apart.  there are some absolutley incredible homes in sandusky, but almost every block has at least one slum, which decreases the value of everything around it.  everyone has been kicking around ideas of how to replace lost revenue.  obviously some commissioners are banking on the waterfront condos.  some are talking of an increase in income tax, or sales tax.  what about and increase in property tax for non owner-occupied homes?  we have enough rentals in town.  we need to discourage more properties from being converted into rentals, and encourage owner occupied homes in town.  we also should exploit the tourists.  i am still burned by kaman and waddington giving away the parking tax.  i know that you're not a fan of taxes, but we have to pay for these roads somehow.  you saw that revenue is down 10%, but costs have been cut 7.5, so we're still in the game.  some of those costs were fired city workers, and this trend will continue until we figure something out.

Bryan Dubois

...and that's no fun!

Julie R.

To 411firelands: This is off the topic but considering how you, John Doe, Buff and "I" continuously attacked me claiming I was a conspiracy theorist, a liar, crazy, delusional and "heading down the same path as Elsebeth Baumgartner"  when I told about ONE of the SCAMS pulled off in my case ( i.e. a scam lawsuit filed in the jurisdiction of Cuyahoga County that had NOTHING to do with the Probate Estate of a life-long Erie County resident ) I'm kind of curious what you think of the latest in the Cuyahoga County corruption probe----being that a female Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Court judge "fixed" a case for one of Jimmy Dimora's crook friends..........

Bryan Dubois

Julie, my original offer (that you ignored) still stands.  It was posted on 05/03/09:

I have no interest in going back and forth with you on the internet.

Julie R.

When the Erie County court system gets done playing the LAST of  the many unlawful scams they pulled off----now sitting on (and making interest) off the $120K for TWO YEARS from my mother's property that they never had the GD right to sell at an invalid Sheriff Sale to begin with----you better believe I will tell all.  No need to reply.