BLOG: If You Can't See The Light, Can You At Least Embrace The Practical?

Bryan Dubois
Nov 16, 2010

 

I apologize in advance for this, but Rufus Sanders's "Seeing The Light" column provides another opportunity to examine the priorities and thought processes of leftists.  Sanders openly states what most other leftists try to hide.  I hate to keep bringing Rufus up, but his column gives the middle and right a chance to debate the ideas to which he and other leftists cling.

Leftists believe that the repudiation they suffered on November 2nd had little to do with the policies they tried to force down the throats of Americans - but supposedly had more to do with Obama and the Democrats failure to convey the message.  (It's never the ideology, you see.  Always something else.)

Instead of repeating the left's narrative about how Obama failed to explain to Americans how his policies have benefited them, (this artful explanation would allow the left to blame anything other than the ideology.) Mr. Sanders tosses caution to the wind and openly states that nothing anybody says will convince him to re-think his belief that increasing government power is the only way to battle social ills in this country.

Memo to Sanders and other leftists:  There is little difference between the greed for money and lusting for power.  Both exist in the behemoth goverment we've created.  The mistake you leftists make is believing that big government is somehow better than big business.  You delude yourselves with the fantasy that you seek power for the betterment of the country, instead all you end up doing is centralizing government power to chase an unreachable utopian fantasy.  (How's that 'war on drugs' working out?  How about the 'war on poverty?')  At least with big business, the people have a choice on whether to work hard to achieve a better lot in life.  With big government, the ruling class would have the power to take all of that away.

Stay in the dark with the idea that government has all the answers.  Lots of innovation there:  Give the power to the government and then get angry when it can't solve your problems.  Always worked in the past, hasn't it?

Comments

brutus smith

 "In Corporations We Trust". How soon should that be put on our currency bryan?

Exxcellent

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who are not."  Thomas Jefferson

Pete

One line in his story kinda describes the vast majority of Libtards:

"Arrogantly Ignorant"

brutus smith

 bryan, how about doing a piece on why people earning $30,000-$40,000 are beholden to the Corporations and the rich. Do they think they will be part of that upper 2% one of these days? Even people making less than a $100,000.

Pete

Or he could do a story on how the vast majority of Liberals cannot make it to the upper 2% because they lack the skills and knowledge to start and run a business successfully. That is why they crave government power so much. Due to the fact that they are failures in the real world, the only place they can fill the "hole" in their lives is by getting jobs where they don't have to worry about a P&L statement.

A follow-up idea would be how they like to tell other people how to run their lives since they most likely lack the "power" at home to carry it out under their own roofs

And when they get home at night their fat and psychopathic wives THRASH them within inches of their lives!

Roger Waters

Exxcellent

ROTFLMAO.

 

Oh did I mention....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

 

Good one Pete. LOL

goofus

Oy Vay, such claptrap!

brutus smith

 As usual, teatard answers.

 

Teatard buy teatard mugs, tshirts and magnets 1. someone who thinks a tiny tax increase is tyranny. Also, one who thinks the best way to protest what they see as wasteful spending is to waste their money by buying teabags and sending them to someone who will never see them, nor will they ever be opened by anyone. My teacher is a teatard, he tried to get us to "teabag the white house" the whole class burst into laughter much to his confusion.   2.A person who lets opportunist Republicans use the tea party movement for their own ends. A politically naive conservative who is easily influenced. Jim, the leader of the teaparty, recieved a personal visit by our conservative Republican congressman who wanted to use the teaparty movement as a platform for his campaign. Jim was impressed and did not see through the sham. It was on this day Jim became a TeaTard.   The Teaterds

It is almost like the terrorists unleashed an unstoppable stupidity toxin into American airspace on 9/11. Yes, I know people like this have always existed. but in the good old days they at least had the decency to stay indoors gorging on Slim Jims and 84oz buckets of Mr. Pibb while watching Raymond reruns.

 

 

If the terrorists are smart, they will give up on trying to attack us and just sit back and wait, because eventually our entire country is going to be so stupid that people will start sticking their tongues in wall sockets just to see what electricity tastes like.

 

Pete

In a large nutshell, a libtard's goal in life includes one or more of the following:

--the establishment of a Socialist "utopia" (a.k.a. a global nanny state)
--"benevolent" totalitarian control of the world's population through any means necessary
--ever increasing government micromanagement of private enterprise (a.k.a. clueless meddling)
--the adoption of laws, treaties and tax regulations that hinder America's competitiveness
--the usurpation of the legislative process, at all levels, through judicial fiat
--the filing of specious law suits in order to thwart the will of the people (e.g. Calif. Proposition. 187)
--the promotion of the tyranny of the minority
--the filing of specious law suits to shakedown corporations for cash (under the guise of "social responsibility")
--the disproportionate taxation of citizens "who have more money than they need"
--the redistribution of wealth from producers to non-producers (under the guise of "fairness")
--the banning and confiscation of all privately owned guns (even though it has lead to genocide)
--the abolition of all private property rights
--the destruction of all national sovereignty (America first, of course)
--the destruction of Capitalism
--the establishment of one religion (with no personal accountability), OR the abolition of all religion
--the appeasement of Islamic radicals and their American front groups like CAIR (see: Religion of Pieces)
--the regulation, or banning, of all opposition media (under the guise of "fairness")
--the appeasement of Communist dictators and their American front groups
--the further insertion of Socialist ideology and indoctrination into public school curricula
--the purposeful "dumbing down" of the masses through inane public school curricula and pedagogy
--mass thought control through "speech codes" and political correctness
--the teaching of HATE (superficially disguised as "Women's Studies", "African Studies", etc.)
--the legalization of marijuana ("far OUT, man")
--the establishment of world wide socialized medicine (under the guise of "fairness")
--the conservation of the environment over the conservation of the American economy
--the demonization of attempts to make English America’s national language
--world peace (which genocidal dictators define as: "the absence of conflict"--dead men cannot resist your brutal oppression)
--the conservation of the environment over the conservation of humanity
--the promotion of abortion as birth control, eugenics, and teaching the theory of evolution as fact (even though the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics precludes it from the get-go)
--the abolition of individual freedom
--anarchy

Not surprisingly, there is a thread of anti-Americanism that runs through these ideas. A libtard cannot stomach the idea that America, despite its faults, is the greatest country in the world. As such, he/she sees it as their duty to tarnish the country's current and past image using all available means including: cherry picking facts and using innuendo, half-truths, lies and fabrications (see: Rathergate).

Libtards’ actions undermine America's educational system, economy, criminal justice system, military personnel, sovereignty, security, and freedoms. Meanwhile, they try to fabricate a moral equivalence with rogue nations like China, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Syria, Somalia and Sudan. (But don't question their patriotism).

NOTE TO ALL MALCONTENTS: If America is truly evil, please pick yourself a better country.

If the health care system in Cuba, Canada or Great Britain is superior to America's, then you are free to leave. If the crime rate in China, North Korea or the Magic Kingdom is so much lower, then you too are free to leave. Not enough hedonism for you? Then try Amsterdam, Bangkok or Tijuana.

If life in general is better in Sweden, The Netherlands or Switzerland then WHY are you still here??? You talk big, but you lack the courage of your convictions. So do humanity a favor--shut up and move away.

Otherwise get a real job, and get a life, because you obviously have WAY too much time on your hands.

goofus

Sounds about right Pete!

Salvatore

How does brutus get money to survive? Government employee? Self employed? Private sector? Maybe spending years at the expense of the tax payer? Brutus refuses to answer.

Erie County Resident

I see it didn't take long to get the bs going.

Rufus speaks then farts brutus out like monkies flying out of his butt. He flies straight up so fast his lips start flapping and spews out all kinds of garbage . Then on re-entry bs burns up like the tip of a sparkler.. just kind of a teeny tiny spark... "POOF" it's gone... Like any other LIBTARD brain cell.

Maybe he should set in a bucket of water before he bursts into flames again...LOL

goofus
Soros: China has better functioning government than U.S.

Not bad from the poster boy of the democratic party. Now you know why he invested heavily in the democrap party. This headline is from the latest Drudge Report.

Kimo

Re: Libtard or Teatard

How much class does it take to use such demeaning terms.

Would any of you find it cute if someone used that term to describe Palins youngest?

IMO you all need to grow up.

 

Pundit

 

Dubious, this is how your essay would be marked up in any freshman English class:

 Leftists [who exactly? lazy over generalization]  believe that the repudiation they suffered on November 2nd [repudiation? they still hold the Senate and the Presidency, if by leftists you mean Democrats] had little to do with the policies they tried to force down the throats of Americans [again, lazy over generalization, which policies?] - but supposedly had more to do with Obama and the Democrats failure to convey the message [what message? yet again overgeneralization].  (It's never the ideology, you see.  Always something else.) [isn't this a false choice? wouldn't Obama's policies represent his ideology? Is there a secret plan only you know about?] 

 

 

 

 

Instead of repeating the left's narrative about how Obama failed to explain to Americans how his policies have benefited them, (this artful explanation would allow the left to blame anything other than the ideology [again their policies are the result of their ideology, you've fallen into a pattern of circular reasoning].) Mr. Sanders tosses caution to the wind and openly states that nothing anybody says will convince him to re-think his belief that increasing government power is the only way to battle social ills in this country.[you seem to be repeating the tautology 'because they believe something they believe it' well, duh.]

 

 

 Memo to Sanders and other leftists:  There is little difference between the greed for money and lusting for power [that's an awkward phrasing, deeply flawed logic] .  Both exist in the behemoth goverment we've created [at least you take part of the blame, especially now that you cons are in power after the "repudiation" you should have used "refudiation" as an homage to your leader].  The mistake you leftists make is believing that big government is somehow better than big business [government contains due process, your proposed coroprate overlords do not].  You delude yourselves with the fantasy that you seek power for the betterment of the country, instead all you end up doing is centralizing government power to chase an unreachable utopian fantasy [is it a "secret conspiracy" or more of a Manchurian Candidate brainwashing scenario you believe in?].  (How's that 'war on drugs' working out? [started by noted leftist Ronald Reagan] How about the 'war on poverty?' [it was a great success actually, there are far fewer people in poverty now than in 1964 FYI the war on poverty was ended in 1973 by Nixon])  At least with big business [i thought conservatives lauded small business?], the people [those not inheriting wealth that is] have a choice on whether to work hard to achieve a better lot in life [this assumes that hard work equals a better life, ask the minimum wage worker if he is working hard] .  With big government [a vague term that means virtually anything you want it to], the ruling class [full of rightists, I would imagine] would have the power to take all of that away.

Grade: D- for Dubious

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

goofus
Number of Americans in Poverty Highest in 51 Years Posted on September 16, 2010 by Karen K. Harris Email This Print Comments Trackbacks

Today the Census Bureau released the 2009 poverty data which shows that the number of people in poverty in 2009 is the largest number in the 51 years for which poverty estimates are available. There were 43.6 million people in poverty in 2009, up from 39.8 million in 2008 — the third consecutive annual increase. The nation's official poverty rate in 2009 was 14.3 percent, up from 13.2 percent in 2008. The data also show that nearly 21% percent of children, or roughly 15.5 million, were in poverty in 2009 versus 19% in 2008, or approximately 14.1 million in 2008.

Living in poverty means deprivation and hardship. For a family of four, life at the poverty level means trying to provide children with a roof over their heads, clothing, adequate health care and a nutritious diet on an annual income of $21,947.

The 2009 poverty data grimly illustrates the heavy toll that the recession has taken on the American people. The increase in poverty is made even more painful by the fact that it follows an economic recovery that utterly failed to reduce poverty--indeed, it was the first economic recovery on record where the poverty level at the peak of the recovery (2007) was actually higher than it was in the previous recession (2001).  

The unprecedented increases in poverty and child poverty are consistent with other data that show the severity of the current recession. For example, the unemployment rate in the United States doubled between 2007 (when the recession began) and 2009, going from 4.6 to 9.3 percent.  Also during this time, the number of Americans receiving food stamps increased by 33 percent, to over 35 million people.
Sorry people couldn't resist the inane comment by Pundit.

Pundit

 Look Goofus,

When LBJ declared the War on Poverty, the poverty rate was at 23%, now its at 14%. The "War" only lasted until 1973 when Nixon ended it, so I'd say its effects worked out pretty good, despite the Bush recession.   

Nice try at a "gotcha", though.  

Is George Soros part of the conspiracy only you and Dubious know about? 

goofus

English professor take a math course, in 1964 there was 191,888,791 americans. Today there are 308,400,408 americans. All population numbers are from the us census. Do the math professor more people are living in poverty now than ever. In the war on poverty, poverty won. Try selling your percentages to the poor. I also dislike unions, thank you for asking.

Massengill Wins...

Goofus clears all doubt of his ignorance each and every time he opens his mouth.  Maybe he should just stick to cut and paste.  Pundit was clearly comparing poverty rates on a percentage basis.  23% in 1964  is higher than 14% in 2010.  The population in 1964 was 191,888,791.  23% of 191,888,791 = 44,034,422.  The population in 2010 is 308,400,408.  14% of 308,400,408 = 43,176,057.  A child would know that 44,034,422 is a larger number than 43,176,057 but for some reason Goofus doesn't.  Poverty as a percentage and in the number of people was larger in 1964 than it is today.

I am starting to understand why the fascist righties "don't need no schoolin"

goofus

 In 1964 the Census Bureau estimated that 19 percent of the U.S. population lived in poverty, approximately 36 million people.  It's so hard to argue with people on the left of the fence when they arbitrarily throw out false numbers. The point is trillions of dollars has been spent to eradicate poverty and spending is what the left does best, even when we don't have it. Throwing money at the problem has only created more problems as in generational welfare, but this is exactly what the democrats want. A voting bloc of people invested in  the nanny state.

goofus

When you hear that someone is “poor,” it brings to mind images of a person who may be homeless and malnourished. Fortunately, however, that description is not reflective of the majority of individuals labeled as poor by the federal government. The 2000 Census indicates that 73% of U.S. poor own automobiles, 76% have air conditioning, 97% own refrigerators, 62% have cable or satellite TV, and 73% have microwaves. There are many homeless and malnourished individuals in the United States, but the poverty thresholds are high enough to include many individuals who live with some modern comforts.

Instead of being homeless, almost half (46%) own their own homes with most of the rest renting their homes. On average a poor person in this country lives in a home with 1,228 square feet (114.1 m2) which they often own, and as noted the home is likely air conditioned, with a refrigerator, cable or satellite TV, a microwave not to mention many other comforts.[48] Cox and Alm[49] conclude that if the American poor formed a country of their own, they would be as well-off or even slightly better-off than the typical family in most European countries. And to think this standard of living is  with the blessing of the democratic party. Source: Wikkipedia.

Pete

brutus smith says

 bryan, how about doing a piece on why people earning $30,000-$40,000 are beholden to the Corporations and the rich. Do they think they will be part of that upper 2% one of these days? Even people making less than a $100,000.

The vast majority of people I know work for corporations. A couple work for non-profits, one for da government, but the rest get their checks from Whatever Inc. So if we do away with companies and corporations, who will people work for? Or would you like the Hugo Chavez approach and just nationalize every place of work in the nation? Cuba tried that, look how well it turned out for them.

I have never recieved a paycheck from a poor person. Granted some are more wealthy than others, but none have been on food stamps or recieved HUD while being my boss.

Have you recieved a paycheck from a poor person? The only person I can think of that does is the government worker. It is a county job, so the salary is paid by sales tax.

Those evil corporations have paid for a roof over my head, a car to drive, food on my table, and even luxuries like dance lessons and prom dresses for the daughter

Salvatore

Brutus smith says "In Corporations We Trust". How soon should that be put on our currency bryan? My question to brutus is what have you got against business and corporations?  You seem to be so against business and corporations? WHY????? Brutus also says "bryan, how about doing a piece on why people earning $30,000-$40,000 are beholden to the Corporations and the rich. Do they think they will be part of that upper 2% one of these days? Even people making less than a $100,000"  My question to brutus is why are you so against rich people and corporations? How much wealth did Stalin have? How did all those communists in power become billionaires after the USSR fell apart? What is wrong with making $30,000 - $40,000? I sure wish that I made $40,000 because that is $19 an hour based on a 40 work week.  I have in the past worked for farmers, small business and private industry but never for the government.  The farmers and small business owners were not rich but they provided me with a job. The corporations many of which are owned by individual stock owners provided me with a good job in past years.  So brutus, tell me why you are so against corporations and rich people? Many rich people are philanthripists, even Soros.

Again Brutus Smith, how do you make a living? Public employee, self employed, private industry (corporation) or living for years off of the tax payer?

Raoul Duke

It seems to me that our elected officials at the highest level are likely in agreement about one thing: keep the public divided by so-called left/right debates, because a divided public is easier to control. It's an illusion that they've created, and we've bought into it, not unlike professional wrestling. In the ring, they act like they hate each other, but backstage, they're sitting around playing cards, and counting their money.

brutus smith

 sal, having a bad day? Where did I say I had something against people making 30-40,000 a year? And thanks for making my point about most people not working for rich people! :) I couldn't have said it better! Once again, thanks. 1st the large Corporations like Walmart put many a small businessman out of business. And what exactly do they do for the community? We, the taxpayers, have to subsidize their employees with food stamps and medical care, heat assistance, etc. Why do people like you believe the middle class should subsidize large Corporations? And look what happened when large Wall Street Corporations bought up the factories in the area. They leave us with a bunch of moth balled plants. That's good how sal? 

 

Oh and sal, quit doing the typical right wingnut thing in trying to demonize people. Make a case for your beliefs. And once again thank you for making my point! :).

 

sal said,"The farmers and small business owners were not rich but they provided me with a job." Thanks sal, glad you agree with me.

Pete

First of all I do not shop at Wally World. But let me ask you a question:

Was it Wal Mart that put the local stores out of business or the people that shop there? Same goes with Lowes or HomeyD. Was it the corporations themselves or the people that bought products out of those stores?

A second part to this is what would you have companies like Wal Mart do? The market created by the shoppers has dictated that the prices remain low. If Wal Mart raises it's wages, will they not also raise their prices to compensate for it? If they do that, there are two consequences; Either the wages of others has to go up, or people have to buy less. If wages go up, then we begin an inflationary issue correct?

I do not look at it as a company problem, I look at it as a consumer problem.

brutus smith

 And yes goofus should stick with cut and paste. He gets wat off the reservation when he speaks his own thoughts. Like Bill Maher said "Dems have moved to  the center, Repubs have moved to the mental hospital". ROFLMAO!

6079 Smith W
Mr. Sanders writes:   “My thoughts seem to have been nothing but leftover utopian dreams of the 1960s,”   I always enjoy how Marxists like Mr. Sanders casually throw the word “utopia” around as though it is a synonym for societal perfection.   On the contrary; “Utopia” is a word originally coined by Thomas More, which from it's Greek root word essentially means “a place that does not exist.”   http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Utopia?&qsrc=   What Mr. Sanders undoubtedly meant to write was “dystopian”: An intolerant, authoritarian, dysfunction society in the vein of Oceania in Orwell’s “Nineteen Eighty-Four.”   http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dystopia  

Regarding his desire for a world of Marxist perfection, Mr. Sanders would be advised to best remember that the road to h*ll is paved with good intentions.

 

 

Bryan Dubois

The far left is hopelessly obsessed with Marxism, utopia and many other things that sound great on paper.  This is linked to the fact that those who drive the agenda are essentially godless people who believe human beings are as powerful as God.  Leftist ideas are rooted in the philosophy of godlessness whether they realize it or not...

6079 Smith W
If large corporations are so evil, then why do public employee pension plans like California giants calPERS and calSTRS invest billions of their retirees’ dollars in them both domestically and overseas?   http://www.calpers.ca.gov/index.jsp?bc=/investments/home.xml  

http://www.calstrs.com/investments/index.aspx

 

Massengill Wins...

Thank you Bryan for providing us with the Christian Taliban Manifesto.  Interesting that you can judge others and their relationship with God by the degree that they agree with you.  By the way, what does the Bible say about the wealthy man?  I am hoping that Pastor Ron will show up and provide a few words of wisdom to replace the prevailing ignorance to the reality.

Bryan Dubois

Dudeabides, I'm quite sure God doesn't care about my political views.  Never said otherwise.  Leftist philosophy goes far beyond political views.  They encompass an entire godless worldview which is sometimes exploited by political figures to reach their goals.  For example, Obama used the concept of class warfare (Marxism) to accomplish his political goals of becoming POTUS.  (Some say the two are inseparable which make it difficult for him to acknowledge anyone who disagrees with his worldview.)

Massengill,  I'm not "judging" others.  I'm simply pointing out that leftist beliefs are rooted in godlessness.  If you can articulate why I'm wrong, please do so.  (My bet is that you can't.)

Raoul Duke

The mistake is to think that God cares about your political views.

brutus smith

 pete says, "Either the wages of others has to go up, or people have to buy less. If wages go up, then we begin an inflationary issue correct?" What? So wages shouldn't go up and that's what causes inflation? Are you serious? Wages have gone down. Have prices? No. If Walmart chooses to raise their prices people can shop elsewhere right? And news flash, Walmart has been raising their prices. Are they paying the little Chinese kids more to make their cheap products?

 

And bryan, how do you know what part of the bible to follow and what part to disregard?

 

 

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...I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

Parallel versions appear in Matthew 19:23-24Mark 10:24-25, and Luke 18:24-25.

The saying was a response to a young rich man who had asked Jesus what he needed to do in order to inherit eternal life. Jesus replied that he should keep the commandments, to which the man stated he had done. Jesus responded, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." The young man became sad and was unwilling to do this. Jesus then spoke this response, leaving his disciples astonished.

 

Reminds me of the self righteous right wingnuts.

 

brutus smith

 And what a self righteous scmuk. I'm more religious than you, nah, nah.

Raoul Duke

If ANYONE'S beliefs are rooted in Godlessness, does that mean that God doesn't exist?

Bryan Dubois

No.  Reality doesn't change just because you don't believe it.  Godlessness is required in the leftist belief system because a leftist who is his own god cannot be responsible to a higher power.  Without a higher power, subjective reality becomes possible.

I like your style, dude.

Raoul Duke

Isn't faith kind of like subjective reality?

Bryan Dubois

No.  Faith is a mysterious quality in human beings that requires them to believe something of which they cannot prove or disprove.  We all have faith in something.  Some people have faith in their fellow human beings.  (Like POTUS or other civil leaders - that they can solve your problems.) Some people have faith in God.

The word "faith" like "love" is so often misused, it loses it's meaning. 

Raoul Duke

If God created us in his own image, isn't having faith in Him the same as having faith in his creation, people?

Bryan Dubois

No.  We were created in His image.  We are not Him.  We have "faith" in our fellow human beings accordingly.  Our family design even mirrors Him, which is awesome when you really get into it...

Massengill Wins...

Not surprising Bryan lacks the ability to reflect on his own hypocricy.... then again what do you expect from somebody who is "self educated"?  A moron can understand that people give money to the church and the church gives money to the people in need.  How is that not socialism or communism?  Sounds like somebody needs to read their bible and read the passages about greed and the poor.  If anybody is godless..... it might be the person selectively applying the scripture.

Raoul Duke

I thought God was in charge of judgement, not us...

 

 

brutus smith

 It is really sad that bryan would use God to advance his right wingnut ideas. So bryan, are you ready to give up all of your worldly possessions yet? 

Raoul Duke

I'm not attacking anyone's beliefs, just questioning. Big difference. Let's not attack.

Bryan Dubois

Dudeabides, the other people jumped in - so I can't tell what you were referring to when you asked about judgement.  What did you mean by the last question?

By the way Massengill, voluntarily giving to the needy is different than paying mandatory taxes.  I'm all for voluntary socialism.  Just as there is no light without dark,  "giving" wealth to the needy is devoid of meaning if it's taken forcefully.  The distinction between the two is huge and if you don't understand it, well...

Pete

Once again, not a real answer from Brutus. I asked serious questions and all that he posted was another rant

pete says, "Either the wages of others has to go up, or people have to buy less. If wages go up, then we begin an inflationary issue correct?" What? So wages shouldn't go up and that's what causes inflation? Are you serious? Wages have gone down. Have prices? No. If Walmart chooses to raise their prices people can shop elsewhere right? And news flash, Walmart has been raising their prices. Are they paying the little Chinese kids more to make their cheap products?

OK wise one, what causes inflation? What causes prices to go up? Enlighten me please. And not another cut and paste job. Those are boring. Type it in your own words.

And what is your answer on how to fix it? What should be done? Give a serious honest answer, not another off the hook rambling if you don't mind

And answer the other question, who's fault is it? Wal Mart or the consumer's?

Raoul Duke

You said-"We have "faith" in our fellow human beings accordingly." That sounds like you are judging other people. Am I wrong?

Bryan Dubois

No, and I could've written that more clearly.  Sorry.   I'm using the word 'faith' colloquially.  I'm saying that our level of 'faith' in our fellow human beings should reflect the degree to which we are different than God.  For example, I have "faith" in my postman, as a fellow human being, to deliver the mail to my house.  But I don't have faith in my postman to guide me through the trials of life with his omnipotent wisdom.  I have 'faith' in human beings to do only what they are capable of doing.  Having faith in them to do more is foolish.

I don't like using the word faith to mean anything other than faith in God.  IMO, it's the only true way to use it...

Cross

The problem is we need SOME government. We need regulations and protections.

It's a simple truth that democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. The American workers have been the lamb more often than not in the history of our country.

The problem is while we need work regulations, support for catastrophe's, and a strong national defense, we do not need many of the other things the Fed now does.

Just a few examples:

There is absolutely no need for the Department of Education, and schools should all be handled completely at the state level.

Intrastate regulations allowing the government to control markets also should be tossed out.

The EPA was created by executive order by Nixon, and has really been given too much power.

Programs should not be raided for other programs and need to be self sustaining. Especially Social Security.

 

Raoul Duke

But if we all are created in the image of God, aren't we all in effect guiding each other in the ways of God? Jesus was a carpenter, but you think you have nothing to learn from your plumber? Isn't he a creation of God too? Don't our relationships ultimately help us to understand ourselves? Do you think that God only talks to a select, special few?

Massengill Wins...

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Pete

You are an uneducated person who does manual labor so how exactly is the reading public supposed to gain from your ill conceived poorly presented rants? 

I didn't realize a person had to have a college edumacation and work in an office to have an opinion! Huh. Guess all those people who work on assembly lines and build houses shouldn't get to vote either!

Massengill Wins...

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Bryan Dubois

Massengill, for disapproving with nearly every post on this blog, you sure hang on every word.  Maybe it's time to take a break? 

Dudeabides, God speaks to us all.  So yeah, I agree with you.  Discerning the message is a little more tricky. 

Cross, agree with you 100%.

goofus

How did I get to the 700 Club's blog? You guys are giving me a headache.

Massengill Wins...

Take a break Bryan?  Not a chance.  That would not be responsible.  Letting you spout your nonsense and not calling you out on your ignorance and bias would be unacceptable.  Maybe if you offered some actual insight...... I wouldn't feel the need to correct you.  Pretty funny that Chung Lee used to school you all the time and since you probably had him banned I will take up the slack.  Eventually the management at the Register will see that you have nothing to offer but snide comments and misinformation that is devoid of facts.  Until then..... I will continue to comment.

Massengill Wins...

Pete read the 12:16 pm post.  I was just quoting Dubois.  I wonder what he has against postal employees.  I will accept your apology in advance.  Maybe you need to ask Bryan if they should vote?  Sorry that went over your head Pete.

Pete

Vinegar & Water,

I knew exactly what you meant. Was just being a left winger and clipping part of something and taking it as fact. Thought I would join your club for a while

Too bad if it sailed over your head

brutus smith

 So if wages cause inflation, all the CEO's and upper management shouldn't get wage increases right? They should be like everyone else and either stay the same or take a cut right? 

 

And it's Walmart's for coming in and under cutting local businesses and thereby running them out of business. 

 

And my solutions are simple. Any company not paying a living wage should not be entitled to any tax breaks. And instead of funneling all new income to the top spread it equally percentage wise throughout the organization. And if there are losses spread them the same way instead of how they do it now where the worker suffers the brunt of it. Agree? If not why not.

Pete

Any time you have increases in wages you have inflation. It must be paid for somehow

Their buying power is what gets them the better prices. And as far as under-cutting the competition, isn't that how one gains market share? And if Wal Mart is such a bad place, why are they the largest retailer? Is it the fault of Wal Mart for wanting to increase sales, or it is the fault of the consumer that shops there? In my mind, it is the people who purchase from them.

Is the same for the housing crisis. Everyone wants to blame the banks, and while they have a hand in it, the people that signed loans that they couldn't afford or didn't read the loan agreement about the baloon payment are equally at fault if not more so.

Determine living wage. If Wal Mart (or any store for that matter) increases its wages, would they not have to increase their prices to compensate for that?

And I am sure Wal Mart could do without the tax breaks, In fact I feel all tax breaks for any kind of project are wrong. Equates to buying jobs and that is a losing proposition

The sad part of reality in this country is that people love living beyond their means. If they have to do that by going to Wal Mart they will. It is not the Wal Marts that are the problem, it is the people who want more than they can afford.

brutus smith

 So bryan, when are you giving up those worldly possessions so you can reserve your seat?

goofus

Hmm snide comments and misinformation devoid of facts? Sounds like someone is looking in the mirror.

6079 Smith W
Mr. Dubois:   Marxism is a religion rooted in materialism, where the State is a substitution for god.   All socialism is an outgrowth of Marxist economic philosophy. Marx and Engels used the terms socialism and communism interchangeably.   Karl Marx’s diktat of: “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” is wholly unworkable as a social policy as it can only be accomplished through authoritarian means.   Those with greater talent will never willingly allow themselves to become slaves for the pleasure and benefit of the less talented.   I always enjoy how the socialists confuse Christian altruism with Marxist totalitarianism.   Nowhere in the New Testament do I recall Jesus preaching that the poor steal from the wealthy.   Here’s a link to an excellent book published in the year 1893 about the rise and fall of a fictional socialist society available in a pdf file:   http://mises.org/books/socialisticfuture_richter.pdf   I read it some months back – it’s extremely enlightening.

 

goofus

What I'm trying to figure out is what is a living wage? A wage based on one's ability our one the government sets. How much per year should everyone make secret agent double naught spy.

6079 Smith W

Cross wrote:

“The EPA was created by executive order by Nixon,”

The Cuyahoga River Fire in 1969 helped prompt the creation of the EPA in 1970.

The process of the outsourcing and offshoring of U.S. manufacturing and industry were the unintended consequences of these two events.

Raoul Duke

Most people would benefit, in one way or another, if they realized that abundance is infinite. People aren't poor because other people are rich, and rich people won't lose their afluence as poor people gain theirs. It's really about our choices, and how we perceive ourselves.

6079 Smith W
TDA writes:   “Abundance is infinite.”   Perhaps.   But in this world, resources are limited and the field of economics is about the most efficient use of those resources.   In free market or mixed economy, socio-economic classes are fluid; there will be those who are currently poor who are getting wealthier and those who are wealthy who are becoming poorer.   Attempting to make everyone equal in regards to the possesion of limited resources is an impossibility and a  wasteful fool’s errand.  

@#$% it, let’s go bowling.

 

mikel

brutus smith says

 "bryan, how about doing a piece on why people earning $30,000-$40,000 are beholden to the Corporations and the rich. Do they think they will be part of that upper 2% one of these days? Even people making less than a $100,000"

well brutus.  here is my story.  i went into the military right out of high school where i didn't make much money as any military person can tell you.  after i got out of the army i went to work in a factory where the most i ever made was about $42,000 but that involved many 48-56 hr work weeks.  in 1999 i had the opportunity to purchase a business so i scraped together what money i had and borrowed from friends and family to make that happen.  today i employ about a dozen people with full benefits and good pay and to this day i continue to put in 50-60 work weeks myself and i am lucky enough that i have been able to double my income from my factory days.

in america you have a couple of choices.  work your a$$ off and be rewarded somewhere down the line or do nothing!  many of people had the same opportunity that i had but were afraid to do it!  the choice is yours.  so yeah, i hope have a great business for years to come.  i am sure i will never be in the top 2% but i am going to try like he!!.  hope, that is what it is all about!  if you don't have hope you don't have much.

Raoul Duke

Who said anything about making people equal? Who said that abundance comes only in the form of natural resouces or money? But yeah, I do hate the Eagles...

Bryan Dubois

Smith, it's pretty remarkable that some people don't see a difference between Christian charity and Marxist totalitarianism, I agree.  I'm sure you noticed how these challenges are answered by the fans of totalitarianism:  personal attacks without a response to the argument.  (Anyone who can't make the distinction between Christian altrusim and Marxist totalitarianism has a pretty twisted brain!)

I agree with ya and would also like to point out that Marxism is wholly unworkable and demonstrates the godlike delusions of those who believe it can be implemented as social policy.

6079 Smith W

Mr. Dubois:

For some strange reason to me, freedom is often confused with authoritarian-totalitarianism.

An interesting book on this subject with an appropriate title is:

“They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45”

http://www.amazon.com/They-Thought-Were-Free-Germans/dp/0226511928/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I21VP7SC7IZRLI&colid=2N5Y3HQSKVHBT

Surprisingly, even after the war, the “true believers” still had faith in Herr Hitler and blamed his ultimate failure on advisors like Dr. Goebbels and others.

 

brutus smith

 So mikel, why wouldn't you vote and support people who are for people like yourself instead of the top 2%? 

And bryan, you and your dad winnie have a thing about Marxism. Are you guys really the closet Marxists? And bryan, when are you going to make that commitment and give up your worldly possessions like that Socialist, Community Organizer Jesus told you to do?

meowmix

No using arguing with Dubois dear Brutus.   He has told us he's a catholic with, if I'm remembering correctly, quite a large family.

Jesus may have advised giving up worldly possessions to help the poor, however, I've yet to see the catholic church do so.........  And, he speaks of godlessness...........good grief!!

Raoul Duke

Maybe by "worldly" possessions, Jesus actually meant, thoughts and actions that keep you separated from God...

brutus smith

The saying was a response to a young rich man who had asked Jesus what he needed to do in order to inherit eternal life. Jesus replied that he should keep the commandments, to which the man stated he had done. Jesus responded, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." The young man became sad and was unwilling to do this. Jesus then spoke this response, leaving his disciples astonished.

meowmix

Dude........that's really deep............

Or on the other hand, maybe Jesus could have just meant letting someone else use your toothbrush from time to time.

Raoul Duke

You can find your way closer to God, AND own 2 Cadilacs-you don't have to get rid of them first. But when you do find your way closer to God, you most likely will not feel a need for them anymore. Because althought owning 2 Cadilacs may currently bring you joy, it will be nothing compared to the joy of being closer to God. Jesus, by any economic standards, was poor. But he never went without fulfillment of his basic needs. The poorness he refers to, again, is a lack of connection with God. Our interaction with everyone, our relationships, is our greatest way to connect with God. The rich man in this scripture was keeping to the commandments without really believing, or understanding, what they meant. Jesus was challenging that, and encouraging him to see all men as equal.

brutus smith

 This is why I'm glad we don't have a Theocracy, we get everyone spin on what was written and what was said. And arguing over who is more religious is really silly.

meowmix

Sorry Brutus......god loves me more than he does you!!!   How do I know this?  Because I, unlike you, never put scotch tape on my finger the minute they started passing the collection plate around!!   :}

brutus smith

 Shhhhh! you weren't suppose to tell anybody.

mikel

brutus, i would love to vote for someone like me but i haven't been able to find them. 

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Vanden Heuvel: Send Hither a Swarm of Bureaucrats

J. Robert Smith

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Katrina vanden Heuvel, who edits the leftwing The Nation, has a very democratic solution to President Obama's loss of the Democrats' House majority a couple of weeks ago.  Vanden Heuvel, a bit vexed that voters don't want to keep the left's regressive revolution going, suggests that President Barak Obama govern through executive order.


No longer able to ram legislation down Americans' throats via Democratic congressional majorities, Ms. vanden Heuvel wants Mr. Obama to ram policies down Americans' throats via unelected government bureaucrats. 


President Obama, who's already loosed the Environmental Protection Agency, among other bureaucracies, upon unsuspecting Americans in the underreported Quiet Regressive Revolution, might just be encouraged by Ms. vanden Heuvel's prodding and go whole hog - as they say down south.  Whole hog being turning the Oval Office into an executive order mill.  Whole hog being subverting the will of the people by breaking the federal bureaucracy's chains and yelling "Sic ‘em!"


Vanden Heuvel's advice is yet more dreary evidence that the left's desire to transform America into some socialist paradise takes precedent over democratic processes.  Day by day, thanks to twits like Vanden Heuvel, the left reveals its decidedly undemocratic character.


But once upon a time, a king -- King George -- used his powers to issue executive orders that didn't sit very well with American colonists.  High tea taxes -- among other travesties -- led to rebellion.  Rebellion led to a freedom revolution. 


Ms. vanden Heuvel may want to be careful what she wishes for.  And the President better be careful what he does in unchaining federal bureaucrats.  Once Americans fully grasp the subversion of their liberties that are being encouraged by the left through Washington's bureaucracies, the backlash that comes won't redound to the left's benefit.


Ms. vanden Heuvel, see the Declaration of Independence for more on the subject of tyrannies and revolution.    



(Hat tip to Thomas Lifson for the term "regressive,' which fittingly describes what progressivism really means for the nation.) 
goofus
Woah!… Soros Group Says Obama Can Use Armed Forces to Push “Progressive” Agenda Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, November 18, 2010, 12:15 PM    


John Podesta from the Center for American Progress released a report this week that, among other things, suggested that Obama can use the US Military to push the president’s radical totalitarian agenda.
The Blaze reported:

The liberal Center for American Progress doesn’t believe significant GOP gains in the House and Senate should stop the President from implementing more of his polices. The group released a report Tuesday suggesting ways Obama can bypass Congress to accomplish a progressive agenda, and it cites the president’s power as commander-in-chief to make its point.

“I think most of the conversation since the election has been about how President Obama adjusts to the new situation on Capitol Hill,” Center for American Progress head and former Bill Clinton Chief of Staff John Podesta told the Daily Caller. “While that’s an important conversation, it simply ignores the president’s ability to use all levels of his power and authority to move the country forward.”

How does one “move the country forward”? In the center’s report, Podesta explains that Obama can use executive orders, rulemaking, and even the armed forces “to accomplish important change” and that such means “should not be underestimated.”

What exactly does Podesta think the president should use such powers to “accomplish”? Among others, the report suggests “job creation,“ ”quality affordable health care,“ ”sustainable security,“ and ”a clean energy future.”

The report cites specific goals such as mitigating the effects of the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy, supporting a Palestinian state, and reducing greenhouse gasses by 17 percent by 2020.

The Center for American Progress was given a 3-year $3,000,000 grant by George Soros’ Open Society Institute in 2006.

Media Matters, the communication wing of the Center for American Progress, was given a $1,000,000 grant by George Soros in October.

Salvatore

I was banned for awhile because of my signature and youtube link offended some holier than thou, my way or the highway person. YOU know who you are. I must have posted well over 700 comments and had my share of personal attacks against myself. Never once did I ask to have any comments removed, even personal attacks against me. My days are numbered and I have better things to do than waste my time getting my comments deleted and then getting banned because some "holier than thou" and "my way or the highway" person didn't like my comments, my signature or my political views. I am going to take advice from a good friend, play my musical instruments and watch some more eduacational television. My time is getting too short to waste my time on here, getting deleted by "better than thou" peopel who attack me and then complain about my siganture or political views. I will let the left wing nuts fight it out with the right wingers and the independents. It was fun while it lasted. I have to admit that these blogs can be very addicting at times.

Salvatore

 My signature did not violate any discussion guidelines.

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Raoul Duke

Or maybe we are all going striaght to Hell.

TruthRising

@ The Dude Abides:

Religion is useless unless your a drug addict.

Raoul Duke

I only agree that I have no use for religion.

Bryan Dubois

Dude, I've seen you write comments about Jesus and Christianity.  Are you Christian?

Yes Meowmix, we all understand that you have no respect for Christianity:

September 21st 6:47 am:

Raoul Duke

Am I Christian? Not yet, but I'm trying...

Bryan Dubois

Yeah, same here.

meowmix

Bryan, I must correct you.   I have no respect for holier-than-thou christians.   People like yourself who seem to think you have an "in" with god because you talk the talk.   Unfortunately, you don't walk the walk.

And, wouldn't you know...  Jesus, Buddha & Allah showed up in my Alphabits this morning....creepy eh?

Bryan Dubois

So you insult Christians by mockinly state that you found Christ in your eggo this morning.  Hmm.

Meow, in your opinion, what is "the walk?"

6079 Smith W
Temporarily changing the subject -   Man:   “I was standing in line at Starbucks yesterday and the guy in front of me turned around and stuck his hand down my pants.   I asked, ‘What are you doing?’”  

He replied, “I’m retired TSA; I still like to keep my hand in things.”

 

6079 Smith W
Mr. Dubois:   Actually, if Marxists “walked-the-walk,” they’d give away all their processions and keep only those that they needed for survival. Of course it's the authorities, not they who get to decide what it is that they need for survival.   They also seem to conveniently forget that they live in the wealthiest country in the world and if they indeed wanted to “spread-the-wealth” globally, their standard of living would ultimately be far lower.      Most Marxists (socialists) can’t conceptualize their thinking much beyond easy-to-remember slogans and childish insults.    
Raoul Duke

I never thought about looking for answers in my breakfast. I guess if you really want answers, you can find them anywhere.

6079 Smith W
@ Dude:    Nothing is exactly as it seems, nor is it otherwise. – Zen koan.    
Raoul Duke

...and lunch is just life.

brutus smith

Bryan Dubois says

Dudeabides, I'm quite sure God doesn't care about my political views.  Never said otherwise.  Leftist philosophy goes far beyond political views.  They encompass an entire godless worldview which is sometimes exploited by political figures to reach their goals.  For example, Obama used the concept of class warfare (Marxism) to accomplish his political goals of becoming POTUS.  (Some say the two are inseparable which make it difficult for him to acknowledge anyone who disagrees with his worldview.)

Massengill,  I'm not "judging" others.  I'm simply pointing out that leftist beliefs are rooted in godlessness.  If you can articulate why I'm wrong, please do so.  (My bet is that you can't.)

 

So calling a large segment of the population godless is walking the walk bryan? People in glass houses should not throw stones.

 

<< John 8 >>
New International Version  

1But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11“No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

6079 Smith W

 

Ol’ secret agent smith a “Bible thumper”?  ROFLMAO!!!!   brutus smith, Sept. 10, 2010:    "Actually a bunch (of) Stone Age right wingnuts wrote the Old Testament."

 

meowmix

You don't walk the walk with statements like this:

" At least with big business, the people have a choice on whether to work hard to achieve a better lot in life."

Are you for real?  Spoken more like a true neo-conservative-- as opposed to a godly man such as you.  I am in a position to see for myself just how much "big business" as helped my fellow man.  By laying him/her off after 20 years of service, by moving overseas, by underhanded practices (Enron) stealing their hard-earned savings.     Not to mention all your pi$$ing and moaning about the health care bill.

Whereas the evil government these past two years has been pleading to get unemployment comp extensions just so these people can keep some semblance of their life.  And yet their end is near because I'm sure now with the exchange of power, no extension will be given.   Just try finding a job right now Bryan--they just aren't there.  Any hey, if they can't feed themselves, why give them health insurance?  They're just going to starve anyway.

Yep, you christians sure do care about your fellow man.

 

Pete

meowmix,

Please tell me why the R's didn't pass the unemployment extension. Go on the web and find it. Isn't that hard to do

And also, why should anyone be GIVEN anything? That includes health care. Why should I get up at 4:30 every morning and go to work so I can pay for someone else to stay in bed and consume my taxes?

Raoul Duke

I guess life would be easier if everyone agreed, and thought the same way. But that wouldn't leave much reason to be alive. Life has always been about making choices. To make a choice, you have to have more than one thing to choose from. Making choices defines who you are. Freedom is the ability to choose. There is no right or wrong, just choices.

Massengill Wins...

If I am not mistaken Jesus healed all those that were sick both the rich and the poor.  He did not help only those with the ability to pay.  If I am not mistaken...... that sounds very similiar to socialized medicine based on need not the ability to pay.  Not only that, when he performed his miracles and fed the masses, he did not give the rich man 20 fishes and give the poor 1/2 a fish.  "All were fed".  Sounds like Jesus was a Marxist!

Massengill Wins...

Does anybody else see the irony of Rep. Bachmann who is against extending unemployment benefits but has no problems with collecting farm subsidies herself?  This is not about principle it is clearly about greed!

6079 Smith W
@ meowmix:   Yep! Just keep raising taxes and increasing regulation on business and watch as more of ‘em close up or move off shore.   With so many people with attitudes like yours, why would any sensible thinking person what to risk their capital to start a business in this state or this country?   Regarding Federal unemployment extension and other health and welfare taxpayer provided benefits:   Approx. 41 cents of every dollar the Federal govt. spends is borrowed. Either everyone's personal taxes will need to be raised or benefits cut – which should it be?

 

Pete

If I am not mistaken Jesus healed all those that were sick both the rich and the poor.  He did not help only those with the ability to pay.  If I am not mistaken...... that sounds very similiar to socialized medicine based on need not the ability to pay.  Not only that, when he performed his miracles and fed the masses, he did not give the rich man 20 fishes and give the poor 1/2 a fish.  "All were fed".  Sounds like Jesus was a Marxist!

Quick question for ya in re: to this statement

Did the Romans force JC to do this, or did he do it of his own free will?

meowmix

Excellent points Massengill!

Pete--really?   You're the ONLY ONE who gets up and goes to work everyday???  Since age 19 I have worked at least 40 hours per week with the exception of the two years I stayed at home when my daughter was born.   I am now over 50 years old.   I'm 99.99% sure I have paid much more in taxes than you.

You have the typical neo-con attitude that everyone who does not work is laying around looking for a handout from you.   Your  opinion couldn't be farther from the truth.

A factory in Port Clinton just closed it's doors.  So, what are those people to do?  How is it THEIR fault?

Yep, you sound like another christian.  So very resentful of the have-nots...  WHY?

 

6079 Smith W
@ Feminine hygiene product smith:   Jesus healed based on the strength of the recipient’s faith.     Marx was an atheist and hated religion. Your conclusion that Jesus was a Marxist is laughably absurd.  

(People of all faiths throughout history have experienced miraculous healings.)

meowmix

Smith--------tell me, just WHEN since Obama's term began did your taxes increase??????

Got news for ya, with go old Kasich in office, now you're going to see them go up!  Along with the tax extention for the rich deadline nearing.  

Got news for you, as a person who does care about my fellow human being instead of  a psuedo christian, I won't mind if my taxes are increased to help those less fortunate.

Even though I don't believe in heaven or hell I do believe in Karma to a certain extent.  You'll get yours, and I'll get mine.

brutus smith

 Must be a pretty short workday pete if you are on here posting at 9 am.

brutus smith

 And the old taxes and regulations thing. That's so 80's winnie. Greed, nothing else, nothing more.

6079 Smith W

meowmix writes:

“A factory in Port Clinton just closed it's doors.  So, what are those people to do?  How is it THEIR fault?”

Why is it anyone’s “fault”?

Aren’t they adults; don’t they have personal responsibilty to ultimately support themselves and their families?

Why is left to their fellow citizens to feed, cloth and shelter them? That's what charities are for.

Why bother working if taxpayers will give you adequate room and board for free?

Why don't you send the govt. a personal check and help out?

 

6079 Smith W

@ meowmix:

Haven’t your state and local taxes and service fees gone up?

Also, ya can’t just look at the personal Federal income tax rates, ya also gotta look at increases in other Federal taxes and service fees.

Why wait for a tax increase? Send ‘em a generous check now!

If you believe in karma, you believe in supernatural powers beyond your rational control. Who or what decides how exactly this mysterious process operates?

Massengill Wins...

Winston says:

"Marx was an atheist and hated religion. Your conclusion that Jesus was a Marxist is laughably absurd". 

???????  Having difficulty distinguishing economic systems from religion there Smith?  It is obvious you have difficulty telling the difference between fantasy and reality.  Do you know what is absurd?.?.?.....  a grown man who takes a fictional book and makes that the basis of his political thought.  Clearly a member of the Atlas Shrugged Moron Club.

Pete

Since I have been 18 I have worked 40 hours at least except maybe a total of a month. Started after I graduated High School and have worked ever since. I am 44 so give me a few years and I am sure I will catch up to ya on amounts paid.

And there are plenty of people that sleep in every day and consume taxes. If you want to support them, send them a check. Go for it. Send them your entire net. Less I have to pay

Did you find out what caused the R's to not vote for the unenjoyment extension yet?

6079 Smith W

Secret agent smith:

How is a "greedy" worker different from a "greedy" employer?

Does your god Obie get "patted down" before boarding AF One?

brutus smith

 Since they are both Repubs you tell me.

6079 Smith W
@ Feminine hygiene product smith:    And a person that uses a feminine hygiene product as the basis for their user name is lecturing me about absurdity? ROFLMAO!!!

 

Raoul Duke

I don't believe in government OR religion. Or Beatles.

brutus smith

 pete, nobody gives a rat's $$ what the repubs excuse is.

Pete

Actually Brutus, according to the last election results, yes they do.

At least by the complete and utter slamming the Dems took in the voting booth

Pete

But Republicans opposed using emergency funds for the $12.5-billion cost of the jobless aid. Instead, they wanted the benefits paid by shifting federal funds from economic stimulus accounts or from other programs.

Lawmakers voted 258-154 to extend the jobless benefits, falling short of the two-thirds majority needed to pass the fast-track measure. Eleven Democrats and 143 Republicans were among those voting no.

Rep. Charles Boustany Jr. (R-La.) argued that Democrats, by bringing the bill to the floor without providing a way to pay for its costs, failed to heed the anti-spending message of the election.

"Are you even listening to the American people?" Boustany said.

Well here ya go. All the Republicans wanted was it paid for. But the Democrats won't do that. Why? Better to use unemployed Americans for political gain than to do the proper thing!

So Lefties, why do Democrats hate unemployed Americans so much? Seems they do now doesn't it?

Raoul Duke

Seems to me, as we argue over semantics, our government does what it wants to, and what serves It best, behind our backs.

meowmix

Pete, never in a million years will you catch up to me in the taxes I have paid.    I'm not working for minimun wage.   In all probability, make several dollars an hour more than you.   Point being,  flying spaghetti monster help you if you ever have a tragedy in your family health-wise with no insurance coverage.  You'll be very very sorry  you were anti- Obama Care.  \

But  hey, believe in your god to bail you out of hard times.   What a crock.  I'd rather see my tax dollars go to fund health insurance for the poor.   That's just me.     

Oh, I'm pro-choice also.  I'd rather  my tax dollars pay for an abortion than  go to support a life long welfare dependant or a woman who does not feel she's in the right time or place to have a child.

How can you repubitards want to repeal Roe V. Wade and yet had such hatred towards welfare recipients who have child after child? 

 

Pete

Glad you're rich! So here is my suggestion: Take your net each week and give it away. You can call it "adopt a  poor person" or whatever you like. Find a neighbor and pay their health insurance. You can do that now or after they repeal Obamamcare. Just don't ask me to pay for it

Oh by the way, I am pro choice too. And not a holy roller. And I haven't made minimum wage since 1984. Just an anti rammed down my throat taxpayer. But  if it makes you feel better to think you make boatloads more than me go for it. We all know libtards have small minds but big egos so dream away cupcake.

So go do what makes you feel good. Can't take it with ya right?

 

brutus smith

You forgot to add how immature pete is too. 

6079 Smith W

bs writes:

"You forgot to add how immature pete is too." 

"No need to call names and insult.” (brutus smith, Nov. 8, 2010)

“People in glass houses should not throw stones.” (brutus smith, Nov. 19, 2010)

 

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meowmix writes:

"How can you repubitards want to repeal Roe V. Wade and yet had such hatred towards welfare recipients who have child after child?"

Then you don't mind your tax dollars going to "welfare recipients who have child after child"?

If you're as wealthy as you claim, put your money where your mouth is and write an extremely generous unsolicited check to the U.S. Treasury - they won't refuse it.

Abortion is a legislative issue, not a judicial issue. Congress is too chicken to touch it.

IMO, it should be an issue for the 10th Amendment – each state should decide.

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Is the Flying Spaghetti Monster in charge of the karmatic process? And you think that Christianity is weird? LOL

 

 

brutus smith

 winnie says, "Abortion is a legislative issue, not a judicial issue. Congress is too chicken to touch it." It's neither. It is a personal issue. None of your business!

6079 Smith W

@ secret agent 006 1/64:

If true that it's "personal", then why is Roe v Wade the law of the land?

Being a Marxist, you don't mind paying for abortions and supporting welfare recipients having numerous children do you?

Raoul Duke

Instead of Libtards and Repubtards, I think they all like to be refered to as Govern-mentally Disabled.

mikel

i heard that the employees of gm were all getting a rosetta stone learn how to speak chinese for christmas as the chinese bought 23% of the stock offerings.  so who really owns gm?  us gov = 53%, multiple investment brokerages = 24% and the chinese = 23%!

Salvatore

I could not resist commenting.  Think about what mikel wrote. us gov = 53%, multiple investment brokerages = 24% and the chinese = 23%!. China will own 23%. The USA will own 53%. Since the USA is broke, where is the money borrowed from? If from China, then China could own 76% of GM. Quoting Khrushchev   "I once said, "We will bury you," and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you."  THINK ABOUT IT.
 

brutus smith

 So you and Krushchev are on the same wave length eh sal? Both of you blame the workers. Interesting.

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The "Double Naught spy" writes:    “So you and Krushchev are on the same wave length eh sal? Both of you blame the workers. Interesting.”   Huh? You’re ignorant of Marxist economic theory aren’t you? Yet you blindly follow this nonsense? Not surprised.   According to the Marxist dialectic: Socialism is the the natural outgrowth of capitalism.   Marx wrote that a true socialist society can only evolve in an industrialized country.  

It ain’t necessarily so, but that’s what the dopey Marxist-Socialists believe.

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brutus smith staring as himself: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5aNn4Sfmas

 

brutus smith

 How much in stock do the Chinese own in other major Corporations mikel? Or don't the puppet masters at FRNN tell you that?

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bs writes:   “How much in stock do the Chinese own in other major Corporations?”  

You’re a double naught spy and you don’t know? LOL 

“I am a Federal Agent working out of Langley Virginia, assigned to watch right wingnuts posing as Libertarians. Also I Fact check far right wingnut bloggers. “(brutus smith, Oct. 30, 2010)

 

brutus smith

 You really are obsessed with me aren't you.

6079 Smith W

@ "Double naught" brutus smith:

Why, don't you want attention? 

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@ mikel:

“We want China to succeed and prosper,” “That’s good for the United States if China continues on the path to development that it’s on.” (B. Obama, Nov. 9, 2010)

 

mikel

i am just interested in the companies that the us gov took over for the "good" of the company.  i don't think obamass is muslim but rather is he chinese?  giving the country away to them he is!

wetsu

Buffet (Warren not Jimmy) chimes in...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-21/warren-buffett-tells-abc-rich-people-should-pay-more-in-taxes.html

What is stopping any of the "higher taxes now" crew from simply sending more to the government of their own volition?

goofus

I'd rather be wasted away in Margaritaville than wasted in Obamaville.

Erie County Resident

“I am a Federal Agent working out of Langley Virginia, assigned to watch right wingnuts posing as Libertarians. Also I Fact check far right wingnut bloggers. “(brutus smith, Oct. 30, 2010)

The above statement was made by our very own pile of bs.

Now one question I have is why hasn't he been charged with impersonating a FEDERAL OFFICER???

Looking at his dribble leads you to believe he is with the CIA which is based there.

Now I wonder if he also has the Dick Tracy secret decoder ring.

brutus smith

 Wah,  wah. Have mama get a bottle for you.

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@ “Double naught spy” brutus smith:     

How can you possibly believe that Hitler and Stalin were right but misunderstood? 

Salvatore

I can't resist. Does brutus work on a mushroom farm?