BLOG: Question: Do you get nervous when you see a Muslim on your airplane?

Bryan Dubois
Oct 22, 2010

 

In the wake of Juan Williams's firing from NPR, Fox News correspondent Megyn Kelly asks CAIR spokesman if he's happy that Williams was fired:

At 7:20, Kelly asks if Williams has the right to start a dialogue about how Americans feel about this issue, but instead of answering the question the CAIR spokesman fires back:  Do you get nervous around Muslims on airplanes?

So.  Let's pose that question to you readers.  No hate,  just honest opinions please:

Do you feel nervous or apprehensive in any way if you board an airplane and see a person who appears to be a Muslim?  If so, why? 

(What a stupid question, no?  Only the liberal folks at NPR could deny every day reality with such chutzpah.  Behold the power of political correctness.)

While thinking about it, watch this short video of the Flight 93 memorial I shot during a visit to Shanksville PA over last weekend:

44 lives snuffed out by men who looked like Muslims.  Islamic extremists.   olive skinned terrorists. 

Hmm.  How are we supposed to explain 9/11 without raising the ire of CAIR?

Should we just say that those 44 lives were snuffed out by a 'plane crash?'

I'll be the first to answer the original question:  Of course I get nervous.  Especially if there's more than one person on the plane who appears to be Muslim.  I get nervous because 99.99% of all hijacked airplanes are overtaken by olive-skinned men who appear to be Muslim.  This paranoia, that dare I say is shared by most air-travelling Americans would be a whole lot easier to dispel if there were a larger portion of the Islamic faithful who denounced the small group of radicals who've hijacked the perception of their religion.

Is my fear irrational?

Of course.

If you compare the number of flights that are not hijacked to the number that are, the nervousness most people feel could be described as "irrational," but then again, when driving a car, in the back of one's mind is the fear of being involved in a car wreck.  When you compare the number of cars on the road to the number of wrecks and consider the unliklihood of actually being involved in a car wreck, you could also describe the car-wreck fear as "irrational." 

Defensive driving is born of a healthy amount of fear.  Defensive flying is too - but I guess you're not allowed to come right out and say it.

Comments

Pastor Ron

99.99% of hijackings are by olive skinned muslims?  Interesting fact........ as a journalist you should probably provide a source for that statement.  I am pretty sure you are providing misinformation and it is people like you that spread fear that is based in warped perception and not reality.  So back to your original claim,  if only 1 out of every 10,000 is done by a non-muslim..... what would you say if I told you that there have been over 100 planes hijacked by people from Cuba or have family in Cuba?  Unlike you I will provide a link to this claim (I will wait for you to do the same for your 99.99% statement).  So if your statement is correct..... that would mean that muslims would have hijacked 1 million planes!  So Bryan can you provide reports for these 1 million hijackings?  We both know the answer to that one.  Sounds like you are providing false testimony against others which you know is breaking one of the Lord Gods 10 Commandments. 

If anybody should be suspect it should be the Catholics from Cuba and from Northern Ireland.  In fact, 5 planes have been hijacked by Cubans since 9/11.  So next time you fly and feel unsafe..... maybe you should point the finger at the Cubans!

Pastor Ron

Here is the link to my fact.  As a professional you should follow suite.... unless you just want to admit you made up that figure and in essence is part of the problem.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis...

Bryan Dubois

Pastor Ron,   I had no idea that Cubans were so fond of hijacking!  Thanks for the link.  Maybe I should add a qualifier to the original statement:  99.99% of suicide mission hijackings are committed by olive skinned men who appear to be Muslim.   I'm trying to come up with a notorious suicide mission hijacking case by a fair-skinned person that may supplant this public perception, but am having no luck.  (And why are you telling me to fear Cubans instead of Muslims, when the Muslim hijackings involve suicide and murder while the Cuban hijackings appear to have political motivations as opposed to religious motivation?  From the wiki link, it appears that the majority of Cuban hijackings did not have suicide and murder as the end goal.) 

Of which church did you say you're the "pastor"?

 

trucker

I do not like or have use for any stinky, sneaky acting, careless rude drivers, lurking Middle Eastern  Liberal. Who for a fact, totally think American's are stupid, wrong in culture and religion. We are being used.

Truth be know, i've been fortunate to have been translated a conversation by a trucker, former army, while standing in line paying for fuel.  They talked like a couple preppy girls at the mall about everyone else, but themselves..Fact is they don't us, don't force me like them.. THE END

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underthebridge

I think the difference is that you know your fear is irrational.   The Fox Pundits think that the more firmly they hold their irraitonal opinions and the more they rise to the level of fact.  

trucker

Mine, isn't purely fox. I am out there in so many small and large cities, various different gas stations, hotels, warehouses, constant interaction with the Middle Eastern Liberals. 

I have a different views towards these people as you, secluded in north central Ohio. I see the dress, smell the oder, experience the rudeness.  Not like on tv.  REAL life.

goofus

Brian, don't be confused, Pastor Ron is a flaming liberal using the personna as a means to degrade and impune the consevatives and the religious right. Frankly I was confused as to the Cuba analogy myself. I was looking for a link on the moonbat websites Daily Kos,Media Matters and their ilk but realized it came from the search engine that gives 75% of their donations to the democrats, Google. Today's Drudge Report has the story. Cuba pops up when you type in airline hijackings. Finally, have you everseen Pastor Ron and Chung Lee comment on the same story?

goofus

Frankly, I get nervous driving near Dearborn Michigan. Try looking up the website The Religion Of Peace.Com

Kimo

I have a greater fear of Wingnuts, they are out to get me and are dressed in everyday American garb.

Sometimes the use of the word "Liberal" (as if we are second class citizens) gives them away.

Sometimes they dress in Nazi garb.......................

Captain Gutz

Do I get nervous when I see a Muslim on an airplane?

Not as nervous as when I see a politician in a suit and tie anywhere.

6079 Smith W
Saying what a "Muslim" looks like is like identifying a "typical" American - it ain't possible. Now if we're talking about Muslims in Middle Eastern garb, that's a different story.   Regardless of their clothing, I have to assume that if that if I saw a couple people praying on prayer rugs just prior to boarding a flight with me that I might become a bit apprehensive.   TSA is a joke, a make-work program and a feel-good bureaucratic boondoggle.   There are numerous objects that can be purchased in shops after passing through security that in the hands of a properly trained individual can be used as lethal weapons.   The Corp. For Public Broadcasting should have been de-funded decades ago. It's outlived its original purpose.   Sunset provisions should be built into every agency as well as every law. Let legislators and political parties periodically defend using precious taxpayer money to fund their crony campaign contributors.

 

 

Massengill Wins...

Hey Goofus that Google Search thing is pretty amazing.  You claim that Pastor Ron and Chung Lee never comment on the same story....... disproven in like .00017 seconds.  Then again you are not really to strong on the facts.  Here is a link:

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

Exxcellent

Twenty years ago, I was on a flight heading out west and I was seated next to a "muslin looking" person. He was reading an important looking leather bound book that said US Senate or something to the like. It WAS 20 years ago, so I'm not sure. I was scared to death. In my mind I knew I was going to die that day. Thank heavens I was wrong, but my point is I was scared to death and had never even dreamed something like 9/11 would happen years later. So to answer your question...  yes, I get nervous. That was way back before I knew how evil they really could be.

Massengill Wins...

Is there a chance the Dubois and Pastor Ron went to the same college to get their credentials?  I guess it is pretty common on these blogsfor people to call themselves whatever they want may it be a journalist or a pastor.

Bryan Dubois

Massengill, I never identified myself as anything other than a blogger.  That requires nothing more than a desire to write.  It's something you and I both share - yet you seem to have a problem with it.   Why?  Is that your liberal "tolerance" creeping out again?

Underthebridge, I think the Fox pundits know it's irrational too.  But I'm willing to bet that most Americans fear muslim-appearing men on airplanes and for good reason.  The images of 9/11 are burnt into the collective psyche exactly as intended. 

The irony in the Williams firing is that NPR holds themselves out to be protectors of the first amendment - yet they fire one of their senior correspondents for voicing dissent with their politically correct narrative.  This is not even contested.  NPR admits it - even suggesting that Williams should see a psychiatrist.

And to think:  a few years ago it was a little more difficult to prove that NPR was run by liberals.  Now they proudly wear it on their sleeves, as the sequence of events crystallizes public opinion against them. 

6079 Smith W
@ Kimo:   Nah. Libs don’t even qualify as “second class citizens”; they’re a lower form of parasitic life, not unlike a mosquito – in other words useless.  

Per usual, you’re confused. The Nazis, like the Marxist liberals believe in authoritarian rule, not individual freedom and personal responsibility.

interestedbystander

 The question is valid - very - and my answer would definitely be yes.

But like a large part of Americans, I feel fear doing most anything any more, and it's not due to the color of anyone's skin.  Getting on a plane/bus/taxi - or heck, even going into a public place,  with other PEOPLE (which, of course, is necessary) is scary enough. One might have a communicable disease... one might have just been dumped by their significant other and isn't in their right mind... one might have lost their job and are facing homelessness and hopelessness... one might feel overzealous in politics/religion/sexual orientation or simply their opinion that something is "wrong" and they need to DO something. 

I don't live in fear... but I FEEL fear... living these days. Walking anywhere in town after dark - I am suspicious of everyone else's reason for being out there, and I'm sure they are wondering what I am doing, too. Did I really forget to lock my door while running to the store quickly, or is someone in there?  Hoping there is not a 'bad person' in the car behind me at the ATM when they seem to park too close to me. 

There is no solution any more - Americans, and probably people in general, have a large sense of entitlement. I'm all for personal freedom as long as it doesn't hurt someone else - but every action, good or bad, has a consequence. The "me" factor no longer cares about the consequences - and it's often"do to them before they do to me". 

So heck, yeah, I'm scared and nervous. But to be frank, that's just the way it is. I won't let fear keep me hidden in my home with a gun in my lap, but I am afraid I see people as guilty until proven innocent. As much as I love to fly, I don't think I'll be doing it any time soon, though. I've got enough navigating Sandusky, much less the rest of the world, right now. 

I hope I don't sound too paranoid... it's not paranoia. It's just being extra aware of my surroundings. 

 

 

6079 Smith W
The last time I believe that I really felt fear was on 9/11 while living in Chicago.   I felt in fear for the life of my spouse who managed an office in a high rise near the Sear Tower. Having her return to the perceived safety of our suburban home was my primary goal.   I know where my handgun is, but I’d have to put rounds in the chamber. I know where my rifles are, but I’d have to unwrap and load them.   Also, learning and practicing martial arts tends to make one less fearful.    Comparatively speaking, Northern Ohio is bucolic compared to Chicago where I also personally never felt in fear for my life.   ---------- I've written this story before and it might bear worth repeating in this context:   On 9/11, while my spouse was riding the packed train returning home, she said that she saw a man, who appeared to be of Middle Eastern decent who was crying.   He had his face in his hands and he was sobbing and repeating, “What have they done? What have they done?”  

Who was the real “Muslim;” this man or the murderous b*stards?  

Massengill Wins...

As a blogger Bryan would you say that your "contributions" are divisive in nature or do they promote cohesiveness?  Is is possible that your intolernce creates fear and misunderstanding amongst some?  Is that what you are trying to achieve or is that just the net result of your poorly worded diatribes?

Bryan Dubois

Massengill, please explain what I wrote that you believe is intolerant and divisive.  If you can do that, then please explain why it's relevent to this discussion and then urge people not to take part in this "intolerant" blog.  You can do this most effectively by clearly explaining your position and then urging others not to participate in the commenting section under these posts.

The New World Czar

What NPR did with Juan Williams was a pure hatchet job. It is time for the next assembled congress to cut off all future federal funding for NPR. Let them try and make a go of it like Air America did.

 

"The Founders  Have Awakened.....and They Want Their Country Back!!!!" - Mike Church

 

 

 

the office cat

Don't fly much.  At least persons who dress like Muslims are identifiable.  BD Cooper was a common caucasian.  I'm more concerned in enclosed areas with persons who claim to be Christians...but I can't tell if they're tolerant or radical....like at a football game when someone who appears completely 'normal' turns into a redfaced raging animal.  I always remember that one well-placed bomb could wipe out half a stadium.  So I try not to profile.

the office cat

Timothy McVeigh was no where near an airplane.  Should I be fearful whenever I see someone driving a rental van?  The crazies are out there and come in all colors and all kinds of clothes.  And as is proven often here, "you can't talk to crazy"

brutus smith

 It was a good thing the brave people on Flight 93 weren't a bunch of scared sissys like you guys. Fear, what Fox and Repubs love the most. Be afraid, very afraid.

brutus smith

 Use to be a union worker was the boogeyman to the Repubs. Now its Muslims and Mexicans. Be afraid, very afraid, so we (Repubs) can finished fleecing the middle class.

Kimo
Motive?   Insightful: discerning, wise, perceptive, prudent.   Veiled attempt: Having or as if having a veil or concealing cover; "veiled threats"; "veiled insults"   Is it possible that “someone” with “Insight” is using this as a “Veiled” attempt to attack “Liberals”? It didn’t take long for the attacks on “Libs”, could this have been the “Motive” all along?   Just asking………………..
6079 Smith W

 

 Kimo writes:

"It didn’t take long for the attacks on “Libs”,"

Hey, any social parasitic form of life that attempts to control my life style and also steals the fruits of my labor for its own sustenance, IMO deserves the highest level of contempt.

You’re rich while also getting Soc. Security and Medicare – what do you have to complain about?

6079 Smith W

 

@ the office cat:   DB Cooper was an idiot and is D-E-A-D.   A couple points from one of my skydiving instructors of yrs. ago:   

1. No skilled skydiver would have asked for a chute. Trusting no one else, he’d have packed and brought his own.

2. He wouldn’t have been able to hold on to the moneybag. Upon exiting, at the speed and altitude of the aircraft, the air blast would have ripped it out of his grasp.

SamAdams

Do I worry when I see those who are obviously Muslim waiting to board a plane? Absolutely. In fact, when I was getting ready to board a plane back to Ohio from Phoenix, there was a group of Muslim men also waiting to board. I very seriously debated going to the counter (discreetly, of course) and changing my flight. Fortunately, the men were on another flight that day (and, as it obviously turned out, they didn't do anything wrong).

Next question: Was it FAIR that I was worried? Yes and no. Given the experiences of 9/11, those who AREN'T worried are fools. At the same time, it's obvious that not all Muslims are radicals who are bent on the destruction of the "infidel."

Final question: Is it fair that those of us who ARE nervous are blamed for it? Not even remotely. As far as I'm concerned, cut number 1 in government spending needs to be NPR.

Unassumer

I once worked with a woman that didn't like me because she thought I looked Japanese (which I don't) but I do have somewhat oriental eyes because I am part Hungarian.  She grew up during the encampment of the Japanese Americans after Pearl Harbor but still carried that fear of another race with her.  I suppose it's understandable but I still feel it's wrong to blame whole races for what a few of a race do.  No one likes it that whites are blamed for slavery still because not all white people were responsible for that, but yes, many blacks still hate the white man.  I don't think most people are capable of being objective or not prejudicial when it comes to others that are not just like them, which is a shame, but it's a fact of life.  The world would be really boring and dull if everyone were just the same not to mention that no one would stand out or be special.  While I may not agree with the religions or practices of other cultures, I still have to be tolerant in order to be allowed to have my own.

Pete

Greek God to the rescue!!!!!!!!

Juan Williams may be gone from National Public Radio's line-up of commentators, but billionaire liberal icon George Soros has donated $1.8 million to hire 100 new reporters for 50 of its member stations.

Bryan Dubois

Pete,

Greek god indeed!  So much for even attempting to hide NPR's left leaning tendencies.  As you point out:  Soros identifies it as left leaning, CAIR identified it as left leaning, and now the attack on Juan Williams cements it.

Now that the liberals have given up on hiding it, the debate can move on to the next point of contention:  Should American taxpayers be funding it?

brutus smith

 I thought you guys said Juan Williams was a Liberal? Funny I didn't hear the outcry for Dan Rather or Bill Maher when they were fired.

Bryan Dubois

Brutus, you didn't hear an outcry when Dan Rather retired because he stepped down because of backlash from pushing forged documents.  Forged documents.

You didn't hear outcry when Bill Maher was fired because...

Sure, you could counter Maher's remarks with debate - but six days after 9/11?  The shock and pain hadn't even settled and nobody was in the mood to hear Maher attack anything American. 

Juan Williams merely shared his very human opinion that he gets nervous around Muslims on airplanes.  For that he was fired. 

Outrageous things = outcry.

You don't remember outrage when Dan Rather retired because there wasn't any outrage.

You don't remember outrage when Bill Maher was fired because there wasn't any outrage.

Massengill Wins...

Juan Williams is not a liberal...... he just plays one on Faux!

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DEEPsix

 WHO CARES WHAT "THEY" LOOK LIKE... PUT THE DAM#  SKY MARSHALS ON EVERY FLIGHT, AS ISRAEL DOES... AND LET THEM DO THEIR JOB AT THE VERY FLINCH OF A WOULD BE TERRIOST ONBOARD!!!! SHOOT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS NEXT WEEK!!!! 

Kimo

re: but I do have somewhat oriental eyes because I am part Hungarian.

Being a Magyar........

Could we be related to Chung Lee?????

;-))

Like Kermit says, "It ain't easy being green".

Taxpayer

So let me get this straight.  Juan Williams, who is a black moderate LIBERAL, gets fired by two white women who are running NPR because Juan gave a PERSONAL opinion on Fox News??  Juan is the ONLY black liberal on the NPR news team!  So, WHERE is the NAACP?  WHERE is the New Blank Panther Party?  Where are Jessie and Al??  NOT a PEEP!!  Can ANY of you blacks explain that??  WHY is it perfectly acceptable to fire a credible and outstanding journalist who is the ONLY black man at NPR??  NOT a single word from the "civil rights" groups??  This goes to PROVE Sharpton, Jackson, the NAACP and the NBPP are ONLY in it for the money!  No protesting about any violations of civil rights?  Here is a tip.  They could care LESS about what a liberal news agency, that gets TAXPAYER FUNDING, does to destroy a black journalist.  Do YOU think our failure of a president will get before the teleprompter and state NPR acted "stupidly" to defend Juan??  No??  NOT A PEEP!!!  It is absolutely amazing the hypocrisy of liberals and the left to make the PEOPLE feel so guilty about race and NO one is getting into the fight to help out Juan Williams.  Oops, Fox News gave him an extended contract which far exceeds what Juan was getting with PBS.  Can ANY of you blacks and liberals explain that?  Not even critical thinking can help with that.

Katelih-Trailer...

 Hell, I get nervous when I see anyone. Seriously, How can you tell what religion a person practices by looking at them? 

6079 Smith W

I liked and often watched Bill Maher’s old ABC show.

I enjoyed the segment where he had a panel of four, usually 2 libs and 2 conservatives. They often engaged in some lively and thoughtful debates. I thought that it was one of the most intelligent shows on TV.

I believe that I understood the meaning of Maher’s comment, but the timing and the wording were poor.

One of Murphy’s Laws: If it can be misunderstood, it will be.

I've tried repeatedly to watch his new one on HBO, but the stench of the Progressive nonsensical bias is overwhelming.

 

brutus smith

bryan, Dan Rather was reporting on info given to him by producers. He was forced to retire. Fox news people do false reporting purposely on a daily basis but no firings or forced resignations there.

And aren't you for freedom of speech? Or only when it's something you agree with? Bill Maher was stating his opinion on his OPINION SHOW. And you tell me what takes more courage.

And we all know if it wasn't for Juan being on Fox news, this would be a non story in right wingnut world. 

Bryan Dubois

Brutus, you're wrong. 

1.  Dan Rather has the final say on his narratives.  He approves what the teleprompter says.  You don't really want to argue that, do you?

2.  I'm for freedom of speech.  You made a statement about how you don't remember hearing outrage when Maher and Rather were fired.  I simply explained to you why there was no outrage.  You're mistakenly interpreting that as me not supporting free speech.  Nice twist.

3.  The Juan Williams story was a topic of discussion with nearly every news organization.  If Juan Williams wasn't on Fox News, this wouldn't be a story in "right wingnut world?"   If Juan Williams had not made the statements on Fox News, the story would've never happened in the first place!  

Truth or Dare

"No hate, just honest opinions.", right?    K.   Bill O'Rielly and those like him are nothing more than fear mongers, playing upon that fear to justify their means for political even religious gain.   Their speech, which is rather prejudicial, racist and bigoted is meant to enflame and divide!   

I have a female cousin,  who due to work flies frequently all around the U.S..   She happened to be here visiting and on 9/11, she was to fly out of Cleveland, back home, but was grounded as were millions of others!  Since this day, she has been pulled aside numerous times, more than likely due to here physicallity.  Brown/Blk. hair, hazel eyes that change color depending on what she's wearing, and olive colored skin.  She's Native American Indian and Sicilian.  All this time I thought she got the good skin coloring!  She jokes that she should have somekind of security clearance card given to her, how many times they gonna check her out before they realize she's not a TERRORIST!  She's learned to TOLERATE the inconvenience, therefore leaves even earlier whenever flying.   Myself and 4 other family members were flying w/her to Cali  (her homestate) a few years ago and witnessed it for ourselves.   To equate being a Muslim,  which is a religious faith,  that of Islam and the 2nd. largest in the world, to being a TERRORIST is just plain wrong!   Does she get scared?  No.  Do I?  Yes.  However, my fear has nothing to do w/what someone LOOKS LIKE, OR MAY LOOK LIKE.  It has everything to do w/having no control once those doors close and that plane takes off!  I refuse to allow fear to guide me! 

The real question regarding the firing of  Mr. Williams from NPR after his comments, seems to be more about our freedoms of speech.  Great responsiblity comes w/that freedom, does in not?  Especially when it comes in the form of NEWS, whether over the radio-waves or television.   Will your speech enflame and incite violence, causing imminent danger?  Many U.S. Citizens who happen to be of the Muslim faith  think so, especially since 9/11.   By the way,   I must say that Kelly gal, how rude is she!  Why ask someone to come onto your show only to so rudely interrupt them everytime they tried to open their mouths to answer your question! .   Could Mr. Williams's comments been taken out of context, misused so to speak.  Let's be honest here.  With all the fearmongering coming from our very own government for quite sometime now, even the pulpits of our churches (I recall being told during Sunday church srvc. following 9/11, it happened because of all the homosexuals within our country).   Who can honestly say the thought never crossed their mind?  I'll be honest, it did mine, and that was my first time flying after 9/11. However, it was the last.   What I did was take the time to learn a tad bit about the Muslim Faith.  All you haters, those that are so willing to equate being a Muslim w/being a Terrorist,  are you at all aware of the role/ influence that both Judaism and Christianity played in the forming of this faith way back in 6 A.D.?  Especially Judaism!  Are you at all aware of the tenants of this faith?  Kinda like Christianity's 10 Commandments, of which by the way are found within the O.T.!    To be a Muslim, one must believe in:

1 God   

God's Angels

The books of God, especially the Quran

The Day of Judgement (meaning the afterlife)

The supremacy of God's will 

And the 5 Pillars of Islam being;  Faith, Prayer, Fasting, Pilgrimage and Alms. 

What FOX condones, amongst other things,  is Ethnic, Religious & Racial PROFILING.  If that is how Mr. Williams truely feels, then maybe his firing was a blessing in disquise,  for  FOX News anyways.     

  

brutus smith

 bryan, once again you missed my point. Fox news stirred up the fake outrage. If he didn't work for Fox, no outrage plain and simple. If you are going to be outraged because a person gets fired for what they said don't be selective that's all. Everyone on Fox has been calling for the defunding of NPR and PBS for a long time. So why does this come as a surprise to anyone? And I noticed you skipped right over the Fox news people purposely lying everyday. But I wouldn't expect anything less from you.

Duhast

 Nervous??  Only if he has a bomb in his Turban.

44846GWP

No, but I get nervous when I have to sit by a fat man who brought his own salami.

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goofus

Brutus you marvelous basement troll, name one individual from Fox News that has been successfully prosecuted for perjury, slander or just plain lying.

goofus

If a muslim woman is dressed from head to toe in a black robe, how can one ascertain physical marks. Islam, the true religion of peace.

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You can bet your sweet bippy I keep a suspicious eye on them!   I will remember 9/11 as a day of great sadness and also anger. Anger at how we could let ourselves be caught unawares   President Reagan said: "We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be prepared, so we may always be free."    LET’S ROLL!!!
goofus

Truth or Dare, Christianity traces it's roots to a non-violent jewish carpenter, Islam traces it's roots to a ruthless warrior that killed people.

brutus smith

 Yeah goofus, I'd forget about the Old Testament too if I were you. I'd forget about the Crusades too.

brutus smith

In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States.

Lawyers paid by Bill O'Reilly's bosses argued in court that Fox can lie with impunity.

It's their right under the 1st Ammendment

 

FOX asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves.

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Brutus Smith – Sounds like you’re a proponent for truth in news. I can respect that! To avoid hearing any lies, I recommend not tuning in or reading from these outlets as well: NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, Salon, Slate, Time, Newsweek, Nation, Mother Jones, Rolling Stone, The View, The Daily Show, HP, Vanity Fair, Village Voice,The Nation, The Atlantic,the Boston Globe,Chicago Sun-Times,The New Republic,The Seattle Times, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, Media Matters, The New Yorker.   Oh yeah, and MSNBC, so-called ‘news’ network but more like a porn channel, with all that Obama a** kissing going on.
Truth or Dare

I'm well aware of the roots of Christianity thank you very much.  Actually Jesus was of Hebrew descent,  a direct descendent of the House of Judah, of King David, just one of the 12 Tribes of Isreal, therefore a TRUE Jew,  and  according to O.T. Scripture, God's chosen Nation.  Two Tribes remain, 10 are lost.  By that, I mean scattered throughout the earth.  I know I'm more than grateful that (so-called) heathens, those not belonging to these tribes,  have been given an opportunity for SALVATION, the gift of GOD'S GRACE!  "Seek and ye shall find, ask and it shall be given"!  

 You don't think there are " Christian" Churches out there that interpret scripture, just like some do the Quran, thinking  it's ok to strike their wives and children, to suppress them?  Scripture tells us "spare the rod, spoil the child" does it not?  It also speaks of where a womans' place is within the home,  the church, does it not?   Jesus also warned what would happen to us when harming a child, does He not?  He also instructs a husband how he's to love and care for his wife, and visa versa, does He not?  He's also told us to not judge another according to the days they keep, or don't for that matter. He's also warned what will happen to those that mis-lead! 

To Christians, Jesus is the Prince of Peace, is He not?  He was a pacifisct, although showing his humanity at times, through anger.  He was also a seer.  By that I mean a Propeht.  Did he not speak of those that would preach falsehoods and what would happen to them?  I'm referring to a counterfiet/false religion prophesied about.  You can read about it in the Book of Revelations.  How many men, women and children were slaughtered during the many Crusades?   Villlages ransacked and booty stolen, victims of religious warfare,  done all in the name of our peaceful Prince and Christianity?!  Don't you suppose everyone of those individuals were TERRORIZED?!  Violence isn't the answer.  Besides, if you were sittin next to Jesus today on an airplain, it seems many would be lookin at Him w/suspicion in thier hearts and minds.  Cause if ya think He was fair-skinned, w/long hippy-like hair and blue eyes, chances are you're way off!   

     

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brutus smith

 thinkagain, how many of those media outlets sued so they could lie?

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brutus smith – They didn’t have to sue. Since the liberal judges and the liberal media are in cahoots, they get a free pass.
brutus smith

 Liberal judges and liberal media? I guess when you have nothing you go back to the old standby huh?

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Swissshhhh… That’s the sound of my point flying right through your ears. (pretty good, I got to remember that one)   First let me interpret your last reply, because I need a good chuckle right now. Brutus implies, there is no such thing as a liberal judge or media. There is only those lying and conniving wingnuts at FOX. Woohoohaha… Stop, you’re killin’me!!!   OK, now, sorry about that. Why is this loophole still in the law? Why hasn’t anyone lobbied for it to be changed? Since you missed my innuendo earlier, I’ll spell it out clearer. All those outlets I mentioned do the same thing and nobody wants to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. God help anyone who relies solely on one side or the other to establish their thoughts or opinions. CNN, etc. is just as pathetic at unbiased, truthful reporting as FOX. The funny thing is, I never realized it until I saw a different perspective when FOX came along.
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brutus smith

 Tell me which Liberals own CNN, ABC, MSNBC and so on. And the Supreme Court is Liberal? What an amateur.

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BS – Leave it to a liberal to deny there is liberal bias in the courts and media.   There are many ways to lie and the TV news networks know them all! Lies come in many forms. Partial truths, selective facts, out of context quotes and information, partial historical perspective and outright misrepresentation of facts. It is easy to manipulate the public. If you become aware of the methods of deception you are better prepared to sift through the propaganda for the few facts that are actually true.   The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure (brutus) and the intelligent are full of doubt.
goofus

Gee  Truth or Bare I don't know how many people were killed in the Crusades and neither do historians. So what's the number ? They didn't have Walter Cronkite reporting nightly how many people were killed in Vietnam, and they didn't have the daily body count from Iraq that the New York Times would run. How do you know any innocent people were killed because warfare back then was all hand to hand. Were you ASSUMING innocents were killed. Were the Knights Templer as bad as the child rapists of the United Nations Peacekeeping Army.? Which crusade are you an expert in, the first or all of them up to the ninth crusade,theAlbigension,the northern crusade, the crusade against the teutonic order, the swedish crusade, the balkan crusade which was made up of three separate crusades, the wendish crusade, the stedinger crusade, the aragonese crusade, the alexandrium crusade, the mahdian crusade, or the hussit and the crusade against the tartars. So in you expert opinion which crusade had the most innocent killed. Are you sure that spare the rod and spoil the child is in the bible, I thought Granny from the Beverly Hillbilles said that. Nice lesson on Jesus but I was concerned about Allah, the bloodthirsty warrior that Islam come from

Judicator

Hell no!!!  I just watch em like a Hawk!!  I fly alot and have a family to live for, so no matter who it may be I will defend my life and all americans.  Sterotypical it may be, call it what you like!! 

Massengill Wins...

Judges are liberal so that must be stupid and the "intelligent" are uneducated bloggers like thinkagain that are full of doubt?  I wonder if maybe his doubt was created by watching Fox news?  They sell fear over there and some people have trouble sleeping thinking that the black, mexicans, and muslims are waiting right outside their door ready to attack them.  It is not being doubtful....... it is downright paranoid!

brutus smith

 So goofus, using your logic, how do you know Allah was a blood thirsty warrior?

 

And thinkagain, I forgot, when a right wingnut says something, it's gotta be true. What was I thinking. (slaps self on forehead).

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What’s wrong guys? You seem to be in a bad mood. Oh, I know why! The Nov. elections are almost here and you know you’ll be getting a good beat down.    At least I was willing to admit that FOX is biased, as is the liberal media. You except all they tell you and never question anything. Have a nice big drink of kool-aid.   When arguing with fools (BS and MW) never lower yourself to their level, as they will always win by experience. 
goofus

Think Again, I don't think that fox slants the newa as much as they pixkup and run stories that Obama's state run media refuses to because it will their diminish their leg tingle.

goofus

I guess I should get a cup of coffee in me before blogging, pardon the spelling errors

anthras

Ya know it seems that Obama had a grandmother that was a '"typical white person " that had fears about black men. I do not recall any liberals commenting on that statement. I feel that there would have been many comments if a white person would have just used the term "typical black person"

Also why do NPR persons such as Nina Totenberg express their opinion and nothing is said ?

Bryan Dubois

Anthras, that's because Nina Totenberg's opinions are in keeping with NPR's editorial standpoints.  :) 

brutus smith

 Why do you right wingnuts hate anyone who reports the facts and doesn't promote propaganda?

Bryan Dubois

Speaking of that, here's Nina Totenberg reporting facts and not promoting propoganda:

brutus smith

 You didn't even know who Nina was until Fox news brought her up.Repubs have hated her since the Nixon era. 

brutus smith

 bryan, being the "independent" blogger you are, why don't you dig up what Jesse Helms said about AIDS victims?

Rabbi

Try being a social studies teacher and discussing race and class in the classroom.  Although issues of racism exist in ALL of us, and our adult opinions often transcend to our children, the issue remains pervasive.  Racism tends to exist just under the surface, but for some reason, we don't talk about outside of our homes and with our families.  I see this time and time again in the classroom.  

The firing of Juan Williams has done nothing more than to exacerbate the problem.  It creates an environment where "it's okay to be racist, but don't ever talk about it publicly."   This, in fact, unquivocally stifles and erodes the validity of the First Amendment of the Constitution.  I absolutely agree that along with our rights as Americans comes responsibility, but if we don't talk about racism, we can never work to irradicate it in a meaningful, academic way.

Pundit

 An important lesson for you Dubious: racism gets attention.

6079 Smith W

 

Isn’t Mr. Williams black?

Why are the usually sanctimonious libs not howling about his firing by NPR?

Kinda like Shirley Sherrod being fired by the WH and then trying to blame it on others, when only they had the power to hire and fire.

LIberals aren’t racist?

How many low-income housing projects are there on Cape Cod; where’s the “affordable housing”?

Does anyone have a count on the number of mosques that are located near Hyannis Port?

goofus
American Al-Qaeda Spokesman Praises Ft. Hood Shooter – Calls For Attacks Posted by Jim Hoft on Saturday, October 23, 2010, 11:40 AM


This image from video provided by the SITE Intelligence Group shows Adam Gadahn as he appeared on a video released on militant websites on Oct. 23, 2010. The U.S.-born spokesman for al-Qaida on Saturday urged Muslims living in the United States and Europe to carry out attacks there, calling it a duty and an obligation. (AP)

American Al Qaeda pig Adama Gadahn released a new tape today. He praised the Ft. Hood killer and urged more attacks on Americans.

The New York Daily News
reported:

Al Qaeda’s American mouthpiece Saturday urged wannabe terrorists in a new video to act alone instead of trying to join cells attempting 9/11-type spectacular strikes.

Californian Adam Gadahn urged individual violent jihad in a 40-minute tape, which endorsed an Al Qaeda ally’s call last week for sympathizers to mimic the Ft. Hood killings and attempted bombings over Detroit last Christmas and in Times Square in May.

“My brothers: know that Jihad is your duty,” Gadahn ranted in Arabic. “You have an opportunity to strike the leaders of unbelief and retaliate against them on their own soil.”

The message is significant because Osama Bin Laden’s operational goal has long been to kill hundreds, if not thousands, in simultaneous multiple attacks on U.S. targets with cells of extremists – and Gadahn speaks for Al Qaeda.

brutus smith

 winnie, another omission, Kennebunkport. 

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Obama asked what it would say "when we start acting as if their religion is somehow offensive." It would say that Americans are starting to wake up to the insidious spreading of an intolerant religion! It would let muslims know that just because we are a nation that espouses religious tolerance, we won’t be blind to Islam’s extremism.  Islam has utter contempt for unbelievers and teaches that it is an Islamic duty to be prepared to wage war on them, not metaphorical or allegorical war but real and bloody war.   The muslim community doesn't get it. Religious freedom is a right only if it is demonstrated that terror and murder are not condoned. Lack of visible and strong repulsion of terrorism by the muslim community indicates they condone such behavior. Of course they do because it’s mandated by the writings of the quran. 
25yearold

 I don't believe I am racist (I actually work for 2 doctors that are Muslims)...but I did recently board a plane with a handful of  people who appeared to be Muslim. I didn't really think much about it until a few of the stewardists gathered wispering to each other and then one walked up to a Muslim man and asked him to follow her. They left heading to the front of the plane. I must admit, during that split second I was slightly nervous. I couldn't help it. It was a natural reaction I guess due to 9/11? Nothing else happened after that, so I'm guessing that man was in the wrong seat or something minor. 

25yearold

I don't believe I am racist (I actually work for 2 doctors that are Muslims)...but I did recently board a plane with a handful of  people who appeared to be Muslim. I didn't really think much about it until a few of the stewardists gathered wispering to each other and then one walked up to a Muslim man and asked him to follow her. They left heading to the front of the plane. I must admit, during that split second I was slightly nervous. I couldn't help it. It was a natural reaction I guess due to 9/11? Nothing else happened after that, so I'm guessing that man was in the wrong seat or something minor. 

 

Massengill Wins...

If "Islam has utter contempt for unbelievers"..... what do you think many Christians show them?  Psy 101 case book projection!

Pastor Ron

I am intolerant of intolerant religions that are not Christianity! 

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Massengill thinks the 9/11 Islamic terrorists were just on their way to a religious tolerance conference, when their planes ran out of gas. Textbook!  Denial -the capacity for rejection of external reality and crisis’s: even when the facts are indisputable.
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Thinkagain do you really think you can judge a religion of 1.5 billion people by the actions of 19 people?  Would it be fair to do the same with any other group? 

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Let me see if I read you right. You’re saying that Islam has only produced 19 people that are proponents of violence?    Look what they are doing in Europe. They moved to a non-Muslim Europe and began to build Mosques to spread Islam. They portray themselves as peaceful and misunderstood. But their ultimate goal is now being revealed, the introduction of Shania law. America has chosen to pretend the problem won’t happen here. I stand against the Muslim hidden agenda.    "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." - Ronald Reagan
Bailey

Bush was an a** when he came out and stated that Islam is a relgion of peace. The truth is Islam is a relgion of hate against all who are outside its mighty arm of enslavement, mutilations and murder.  The Quran and Hidth is full of commands to enslave or murder all who are not committed to Islam.

Pope Benedict got into trouble when he quoted a Byzantine emporer saying:

'Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.'  and this is still true after almost a millenium. 

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers.  Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding.  Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

 

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Tabari 9:69  "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us"  The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.

Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

Ibn Ishaq: 992 - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."

goofus

"It was written in their Qu'ran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners,whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise." Sounds familiar? Keep in mind that this was the doctrine of the Barbary Muslim Pirates to justify their attacks on shipping in 1801.  I wonder if the residents of blissville and libtards realize that the verse from the shores of tripoli in the Marine Hymm was about the raid led by Stephen Decatur and marines to destroy the U.S.S. Philadelphia which was being used to shell our ships after it ran aground on a hidden reef chasing a muslim corsair. Those that have their head in the sand should pull their head out and take notice that 911 was just one battle in the Jihad war being carried out by muslims. Since 911 there has been 16,278 terrorist attacks around the world. In September 2010, there has been 172 attacks in 23 countries involving 5 religions with 703 dead bodies and 1454 innocent people critically injured. Methinks there are more than 19 terrorists.

starryeyes83

Yes.  

Bailey

excellant post Goofus, Most people, including many Marines do not know the history of WHY the Marines was even started, it was because of the Barnaby war!!  The Muslims took our navy ships & cargo and put our Sailors into SLAVERY and made them subject to their rule, then they sold them back to the US. But that ended when our president (unlike Bush and current) had the nerve and conscience to say "ENOUGH" and formed the Marines and sent them over to kick but!  Like usual, the cowards who murder and run seeing they were in trouble made peace and gave back our ships, cargo and sailors. THen 200 years later they are doing the SAME THING! Pirates are all around the middle east, they plunder, murder, enslave children, mutilate their women, and I should be expected to cuddle up to them on a plane or anywhere else? NOT! They want us to respect them then let THEM live a life that is respectable instead of being murderers who propagate and preach hate and Jihad.

Retiredfirefighter

hey think again i suppose you take everything fox news says as gospel. they are the most far leaning right out there. they arent even a news channel. they tell everything for republicans. grow up and smell what you are shoveling. you probably support westerhold and his little stooge mike dewine.

goofus

Because a news network runs stories that the lamestream state run media refuses to makes them biased? We all know the lamestream state run media will never besmirch Obama.

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Oklahoma voters will have the chance next week to weigh in on a constitutional amendment that would prohibit courts from considering Islamic or other international law when deciding their rulings in state cases.   The anti-sharia ballot initiative is known as State Question 755, or the "Save Our State" amendment, and it already has the approval of majorities in both houses of the state legislature. The effort is being spearheaded by ACT! for America founder and bestselling author, Brigitte Gabriel, who wrote They Must Be Stopped: Why We Must Defeat Radical Islam and How We Can Do It. She says the constitutional amendment would prevent Islamic extremists from taking over the Sooner State.

"There is actually a huge pocket of terrorist organizations operating out of Oklahoma. I know this because I work with members of the FBI who are in counter-terrorism and who are paying attention to what's happening in Oklahoma," she explains. "What we are seeing right now, not only in Oklahoma, but nationwide [is] where there is a large concentration of Muslim population, [there are] more demands and more push for sharia law."

Her group's radio ad relates the judge's decision in a New Jersey family court case. He did not grant a restraining order against an Islamic man who continually abused his wife.

"When she went to get a restraining order, he didn't give it to her because he said that her Muslim husband was within his Islamic right, and he did not believe the Muslim was doing a crime because it's within his religion to do that to his wife," Gabriel laments. "Thankfully, the judge was overruled a year later."

But she contends that even one case like this is unacceptable, which is why her group wants the people of Oklahoma to understand the importance of supporting the "Save Our State" amendment.

chongo

No....

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brutus smith

 What a croc of B S.

6079 Smith W

@ bs:

The word is spelled "crock"...bs. LOL

brutus smith

 Like a crock of winnie?

goofus

Brutus, may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits. ALLAH AKHBAR