BLOG: Abortion Is A Dirty Word

Bryan Dubois
Sep 16, 2010

 

The mere mention of the word is controversial - even though supporting the right to abortion is a tenet of the modern day Democratic party.

Debate any abortion supporter and they'll object to your use of the phrase 'pro-abortion' to describe their position. They'll claim that using the phrase in unfair and inaccurate because nobody wants abortions.  Nobody likes abortion.  The existence of such a grisly, barbaric act exists to the dismay of all, you see.  Democrats simply believe that a woman should have the right to choose whether or not to have an abortion.

So if you oppose abortion, don't bother demonizing those who don't.  All people recognize the inhuman nature of terminating a child's life because of the inconvenience the child may introduce into the parent's life.  Yes, the majority of abortions in this country fall under this category.

So don't bother.  You couldn't possibly demonize a concept that most people feel uncomfortable talking about already.  What you should do is continue pointing out the reality of abortion.  Abortion can only exist if supporters don't have to face the reality of abortion. 

For example:  How many supporters of abortion would be willing to describe to you - during a debate - the detailed procedure of a D & X abortion?  (aka dilation & extraction, partial-birth abortion).  If any of them even know the details of the procedure, I'd bet money that they'd decline to explain it to you. 

Common sense says, I'm not going to explain the procedure because I'd sound like a monster for supporting it.  Can we just describe it as a 'medical procedure?'

Opposers should concede that the act is a "medical procedure" by responding with a poster of an aborted child with the Hippocratic oath posted beneath it.

"...never do harm to anyone."

Let common sense do the arguing.

You might as well agree with them that abortion is wrong and that nobody likes it - and then simply point out that on such a divisive issue there are two groups of people: 

Those who disagree with abortion because it's inhuman and wrong, and those who disagree with abortion because it's inhuman and wrong - but are quite willing to tolerate it.

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Kinda related:

What's in a name?

The makers of high fructose corn syrup have abandoned the idea of doing a name-saving campaign. 

Once a word has become so reviled, you can't even mention it without turning people off.

Comments

Bryan Dubois

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brutus smith

 bryan said, "Meow,  You have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  Those rights are given to you by your creator - not the government, your neighbor, or a piece of paper." Really? So why do we go around the world spreading Democracy? 

 

bryan said "The reason you probably don't get an answer on this is because it's a loony idea that I - and most people - have never heard."

Bryan Dubois

Brutus,  regarding the loony idea:  This is not the first time that people who oppose Christianity have mocked, lied, and disrespected Christian beliefs on the digital pages of the Sandusky Register.  It probably won't be the last.

So much for respecting other's beliefs, huh?

stormy

The loony idea is that Christians oppose abortion because the second coming of Jesus might be aborted.

Assuming that you believe in an all-powerful God who has an actual, specific plan for the world, it is not possible for humans to prevent the fulfilment of that plan.

Furthermore, assuming that you believe in the accuracy of the Christian scriptures, Jesus will not be reborn into this world as a baby.  He'll return "in glory," meaning in His divine form.  Thus, the idea that the second coming could be aborted is, for lack of a better term, loony.

Bryan Dubois

Stormy,  I had that same thought.  My question to Pundit would be, "You believe that human beings can prevent the second coming of Christ?"

Dorothy,  of course "thou shall not kill" applies to capital punishment. 

Regarding the war in Iraq:  It's heart wrenching to see any child suffer.  But once again, I don't have enough information to form an absolute opinion on a war halfway around the world.  Being a believer in a higher power, I know that anyone who leads us into an unjust war will answer for it.  

Rabbi,  good point.

Mime, did you catch the town hall meeting where the woman asked Obama if the state of American was her "new reality?"  Interesting to watch.  (I think I'll post it later.)

Mime Bloggling

Speaking of the Declaration of Independence.........see if you can find which word the President of the United States leaves out when he attempts to recite the second sentence of this great document. Was it intentional? Simple human error? Maybe a teleprompter misfire? 

In any event here's the link: http://dailycaller.com/2010/09/20/obama-recites-declaration-skips-by-their-creator-video/

Here's the second sentence:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

Rabbi

I just want to know when we will include fathers in the abortion debate.  As far as I know, it takes both a male and female to pro-create.  It is irresponsible and sexist to exclude the father of a child.

get real

I think in most cases fathers have no business in the abortion debate.  Yes it's true it takes both a male and female.  Please tell me what happens when the male walks out and the female is stuck taking care of the child?  Is the father going to pay for school....NO.   Is the father going to pay for daycare....NO.  Men can very easily say they are not the father.  Most mothers don't just have money laying around to prove that they are.  So until men go through child birth stay out of it.

dorothy gale

So tell me, Mr. Dubois, does "Thou shalt not kill" apply to the death penalty as well?  And what about all the innocent people (some of whom were children) killed in W.'s "War on Terror?"  As someone else stated in this thread, people like to toss around Biblical references when it suits their purpose and ignore or rationalize them when it doesn't.  For the record, I am not in favor of murder whether it is called abortion, justice, or war.

MrMary

An available  cd from national geographic  shows the development of a person from the instant of

conception until birth. It is done with scope cameras into the uterus. There is no mention of any

religion. This cd proves that a tiny person is alive from the instant of conception!! Therefore an

abortion is the murder of a tiny PERSON!!!

Mime Bloggling

 MrMary I believe this is the video you are talking about. Well done by National Geographic.

"IN THE WOMB"

....and yep, babies in the womb suck their thumbs, yawn and open their eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvanNDQhlYI&p=130CE1F015B31772&playnext=1&index=8

dorothy gale

I am not sure what more "information" you need to know that people KILL in a war.  So is killing a sin or isn't it?  If it's a sin then it seems that ALL who do so, even at the behest of their government, will have to "answer" for it.

Bryan Dubois

Is killing a sin?  Not necessarily.  Under some circumstances, it is not viewed as sinful.  Instances of self defense and combat, for example.  Killing is never favored, but sometimes necessary.

If you're curious about this, I'd suggest doing some research.   I'm no more of an expert on this than anyone else.  I do know that the Catholic Church (the religion that I practice) has said that in time of war, soldiers will not be held responsible for killing they must do while in service of their country during military operations.  War time leaders carry grave responsibilities when carrying out military operations.  Do some research.

On a personal level:  If I'm faced with a situation where the lives of my wife or kids are threatened, I don't believe that using physical force to protect them is a sin.

Mime Bloggling

 Mime, did you catch the town hall meeting where the woman asked Obama if the state of American was her "new reality?"  Interesting to watch.  (I think I'll post it later.)

I did view the video of Velma Hart lamenting over the fact that she is tiring of defending Obama's policies after having voted for him....I thought she was very articulate and quick on her feet to politely criticize him. It would definitely make a good post for discussion.

By the way....having been a Christian for over 30 years + I have never ever heard of the notion that Christians oppose abortions because somehow it will prevent the advent of Christ's second coming. There simply is no Biblical basis to that idea. If anything the world awaits the birth of an anti-christ.

Bryan Dubois

Mime,  yep, that's the video.  Will post.

I think the idea of Christians opposing abortion because it would prevent the second coming of Christ is one of those false ideas planted to mock Christianity.  I could go through.......well heck, here's the other one that happened in this thread:

To which Stormy responded:

Of course, there was no response from Pastor Ron.  He's a drive-by commenter who mocks Christians by misrepresenting their beliefs.  The Christian God, the Jewish God, and the Muslim God are worshiped by these three religions as the same God.  I might add that all three religions promote social responsibility too.  For some reason, Christianity is the one that seems to be mocked most often though.  (Haven't seen Judaism or Islam mocked on the SR so far.)

Informed

Here is my problem with the whole debate: inconsistency.  If a person is a person at conception, then why are there no death certificates for miscarriages (there are for stillbriths, but not miscarriages)?  Why don't people have funerals for miscarriages (yes, a few do but that is not our cultural norm)?  Why do we allow embryos to be frozen in a clinic (shouldn't that be child abuse, just like if we put a newborn in a freezer)?  Why are women who smoke or use drugs not charged with child endangerment, as they would be if they allowed a toddler to smoke or use drugs?  If abortion is to be illegal on the grounds that it is killing a human being, then all the things that apply to newborn baby need to also apply to an unborn one.  They don't and never will, per the documents that our Founding Fathers created defining a "person".  So, either a human is a human from conception and has all the rights of a natural born person, which they cannot without a major amendment to the constitution, or we have to understand that although life begins at conception, that doesn't mean to some what it means to others in terms of their beliefs.

Oh, and by the way, whoever made the comment about the morning after pill and called  it RU 486, you need to educate yourself.  They are two different things.  The morning after pill is legally and medically emergecy contraception.  RU 486 is an abortifacient.

Bryan Dubois

Informed, since you seek consistency, I imagine that you agree with me that using the concept of privacy to defend abortion is illogical.  The right to privacy does not give you the right to kill.  Nor does it give you the right to ingest dangerous drugs like heroin, or cocaine, abuse other people in private, rob, assault, or steal.

Did you know that when the prosecutor in the Laci Peterson murder case announced that he was seeking to charge Scott Peterson for the death of their unborn child (he was eventually convicted on a 2nd degree murder charge for that crime) pro-abortion advocates got involved because they were concerned about the implications of a man being convicted for killing an unborn child.  Pro-abortion advocates rightly identified that as a problem because it would set a precedent that killing an unborn child is a crime.  It would create an inconsistency in the law - which would cause more debate about abortion.

Informed, if you want consistency in the law you'll have to work for it.  It's a tough issue, though I wouldn't let the lack of consistency stop you from standing up against abortion.

By the way:  I made that statement about RU 486.  As I understand it, the only way the "morning after pill" and RU 486 (used as an abortifacient) are different is the size of their dose.  Mifepristone in small doses is used as an emergency contraceptive - but given in a larger dose will cause an abortion.  If I'm mistaken, please correct me.

Chung Lee

Islam has not been mocked on the Register Blogs?  There are a couple of posters here that always refer to Islam as "The Religion of Hate".  Is that some sort of compliment.  Bryan is concerned about others misrepresenting the Bible....... maybe he should ask him What Would Jesus Do.  If he did actually follow the teachings of Christ......Chung Lee pretty sure he would not have his extreme positions.

Bryan Dubois

Chung, show me.   I back up what I say.  It's time you do the same.

Use the screen save function and post the comment where Islam is mocked.   I'm not saying it hasn't happened - I'm saying that I haven't seen it.  At the very least, post a hyperlink to the comment.

Show us.

And then perhaps you can be join in civil discussion.

By the way:  Why do you continue to mock Asians with the way you write?  You're American and you speak English, don't you?

Chung Lee

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Cross

Your whole account is a caricature of Asians, though. It's obvious you aren't really one, but find it cute to leverage stereotypes to try and add comic value to all your attack posts.

Brutus, you, and your GOP counterparts exist here solely to attack those who disagree, and to misrepresent opinions in a manner that'd make a politician proud. Good discussions consist of point, then counter point without making it personal. It's a shame we won't see those from you.

dorothy gale

The commandment states "Thou shalt not kill."  It doesn't include any exceptions.  It is very direct and to the point.  My point was, and remains, that people twist what the Bible says to fit their own agenda.  Killing is wrong, no matter who does it, no matter the reason, according to your Christian instruction manual.  All I'm saying is you use the Bible to defend your view that abortion is wrong, then use your religion to say that killing is okay if done in a war or in self-defense.  Sounds kinda contradictory, as do most religious views. 

Cross

Dorothy, the debate is more about apathy towards life than about killing. It does irk me to hear those comparing government actions for national defense with convenient baby killing, though. That boggles my mind.

Many seem to want to lecture why America and those bad, bad Christians are such horrid hypocrits! Sure. However, does that mean it should be ok to kill babies?

I could throw out endless strawmen arguments:

Are you opposed to the death penalty? If so, does that make you a hypocrit for being pro-choice?

Do you oppose whaling? Why would you care about something that clearly isn't human? There are plenty of whales and they feed countless people.

These are all nice debates, but utterly not relevant to the simple core truth those of us who follow the golden rule believe in, regardless of the pejoratives continually thrown at us due to beliefes and with no regard for logic or rationality that some people claim to represent.

Abortion to us is an atrocious act. As Mime indicated it is on a level with slavery in many of our minds. Why do none of the pro choice people want to actually discuss the act itself?

Bryan Dubois

Cross, nicely stated.

Dorothy, we don't leave in a vacuum.  The world is a complex place. 

Chung, your post was deleted for personal attacks?   Maybe you'd like to offer support for your statements instead of insulting anyone who disagrees with you?  Try again, this time re-read what you type before you post and ask yourself, "Is this civil?  Am I trying to offend someone?  Is there a point to what I'm trying to say?  Am I being fair?"

I can't control whether your posts get deleted.  If somebody at the Register feels that your posts are incendiary or hateful, they will get deleted. 

I'd say, try again.  Delete the hate.  Be civil.

Massengill Wins...

How dare people have abortions that deny conservatives the opportunity to hate these people once they are born.  Advocate to allow them to be born and then deny them assistance once they are born?  Such compassion!

Massengill Wins...

Oh Cross.... uh bombs kill babies too.  In a war of choice as in Iraq, thousands of babies have died and been made orphans.  The key word is CHOICE!

brutus smith

 So are you "quick to condemn others" Christians ready to condemn God in the same way for killing babies? 

 

 

Death of firstborn, Exodus 11:1 - 12:30.  Min, god of reproduction.  Isis, goddess who protected children.  Pharaoh, considered a god.1

The death of the first-born (Exodus 12:29) was not only a final blow to Pharaoh and all of Egypt demonstrating the powerlessness of Pharaoh and the truth of God's Word, but it was also used as a prophetic typology.  In the account of the death of the first-born, all who had the blood of a lamb placed on their door posts would escape the judgment of God on the households

 

Cross

I make points and offer my opinion. I don't make it about anything personal. At least I try not to. I am human, and err often. 

I also try not to tangent into the Iraq War, Exodus, or bashing Christians for not being liberal enough, either. :)

I don't stereotype or speak for others, so when you lump a billion people together, you probably will get divergent opinions.

If one would like to discuss those things, I'm fine, but really it needs to be a two way street. Just answer my simple question on if there should be any limits on abortion, if legislating a ban on late term abortion should be done, or what constitutes legal life, then I'd be happy to give my opinion on most any subject.

brutus smith

 cross, so when you point out our "faults" you are sticking to the topic and not attacking? Oh, OK.

brutus smith

 bryan, how much more info do you need about the Iraq war? Remember, 4421 American soldiers have died there. 

Unabasho

"Holy oldie, Batman! There's a new story on gays in the military, and these people are still on last week's story?!"

brutus smith

 When it is not against the law I'm not one to tell other people what they can or cannot do. I believe the decision is between the woman, her Doctor, and if she believes in a higher power, then she/he too.

Unabasho

Tea Party haiku:

Love it or leave it.
It's our way or the highway.
Divided we stand.

No thank you. Take your tea and bag it -- I'm drinking coffee.

"The Coffee Party Movement gives voice to Americans who want to see cooperation in government. We recognize that the federal government is not the enemy of the people, but the expression of our collective will, and that we must participate in the democratic process in order to address the challenges that we face as Americans. As voters and grassroots volunteers, we will support leaders who work toward positive solutions, and hold accountable those who obstruct them."


http://www.coffeepartyusa.com/

Informed

Bryan, if I am not mistaken, Laci Peterson was long past the point of viability in her pregnancy, thus the charge.  If she had been one month pregnant, I doubt that there would have been a charge or a conviction.

The morning after pill in this country is called Plan b.  Look it up.  It doesn't contain the ingredient in RU 486.  It is used to prevent ovulation or implantation of a fertilized egg.  Pregnancy only occurs if a fertilized egg is implanted.  This is not the same action as RU 486.  Taking Plan b is no different than taking more than one dose of standard oral contraceptives.  Do you want birth control pills banned?

I guess you still aren't getting the crux of my point.  Just because you believe that abortion in the early stages is killing a baby, doesn't mean that other people do.  The law does not define an embryo or a fetus as a person.  And certainly not a fetus before the point of viability.

Truth or Dare

 The Supreme Court  couldn't and didn't allow their personal  political/religious ideologies to  stand in the way of making a decision that effects the reproductive rights of ALL WOMEN.  It's called Separation of Church and State.  Wouldn't it be nice if there was a box somehwere we could check that would state where we prefer our tax $$$$'s to go too, or not?  I would choose social programs that better educated our children, and help those that birthcontrol is unavailable too.

Realizing the stats are low, in the case of rape and/or incest, a woman or young girl finds herself pregnant by no choice of their own.   They choose abortion.  Is that considered murder?  A woman, for medical reasons, lets say is diagnosed w/some form of cancer and must undergo chemo and radiation treatments, steroids are prescribed along w/any other different kind of  medication that has rather diverse side-effects not only on the patiient, but the fetus, they choose to abort, is that murder?  Let's say you're  one in a million who is on birthcontrol, takes it responsibley, and finds themselves pregnant.  It happens.  You choose abortion, is that murder?

Do anti-abortionists teach their children abstinance only, or do they support  education as to how to better protect oneself from unwanted pregnancies, it's called planned parenthood, as well the plethora of STD's out there, some leading to cancer in women and we know what AIDS can do?  How bout those  that opt for voluntary sterilization, like a tubaligation?  That's if you can find a physician that won't tell ya you're too young to know whether you want children or not, or anymore for that mattert!  How bout men that opt for a vasectomy?  Is that murder?  You're stopping the natural process of pro-creation, right?   How bout those that try and try, but can't get pregnant.  They opt for infitro, or take fertility drugs, or find a surrogate to carry their child.  They wrong?  Shouldn't those wombs remain barren, as God evidently made them?  Embryonic stem-cell research.....yes potential life, and could be healing and/or mean  life to a recipient through transplanting.  Wrong?  Even Christ healed the sick, didn'e He!?! 

 You all must be counselors, right?  You sit within the walls of abortion clinics counseling these woman, girls, right?   You truely believe they don't suffer consequences, have no regrets, no matter their reason for such a choice?!   How self-righteous and judgemental can you people be that you feel you have the right to control anothers' reproductive desires, or not!  The scriptures I read, states that only God can judge, and we'll all stand in judgement, will we not?  Evidently Christ wasn't needed, as  we have enough pharisees (sp) out here to tell us what is right and wrong for us.  God may have given us the right of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness", if you were fortunate enough to be born within the U.S.,  but He also gave us FREE WILL.  There is always someone, or alotta someones that do, or will at least try to take ourt personal and private right(s) away.      

stormy

Unabasho:  Thanx for posting the Coffee Party's creed, and thereby exposing its hypocricy.  "We recognize that the federal gov't is not the enemy of the people, but the expression of our collective will...."  What a big, steaming pile THAT is!

Many months ago, the fed gov't DEFIED the collective will of the people, passing a healthcare bill that a supermajority of the american people opposed.  Every poll had the opposition running at 55-65 %.  And remember, it's no secret that coastal areas and cities are over-represented; the polling firms have always neglected interior and rural areas, so the actual percentage was probably higher.

I'll never join the Tea Party, but neither will I partake of the spiked coffee that this outfit serves.

stormy

Okay, this time I'll stick to the topic.

I had to wait until my neighbor the lawyer got home, to ask him about something written by Informed.  He said that Ohio's murder law doesn't differentiate between a viable fetus and a pre-viable one.  If my girlfriend gets pregnant and wants the baby, and I slip her some RU-486, I can be convicted of murder even if the pregnancy is just a couple of weeks along.  If she takes it over my objection, it's no harm, no foul.  Even more ironic: if I want her to abort and she refuses, she can still force me to pay child support for the next 18 years; never mind that she lied, and said she was on the pill when she wasn't.

Incidentally, none of that stuff has ever happened to me.  I'm a firm believer in putting on a "wetsuit" before letting the ol' schwantz go for a dip.  However, the previous paragraph just goes to show the unfairness of leaving the father out of the decision-making process.

To GetReal:  you may not have read all of the earlier comments.  Meowmix already suggested that men should stay out of this fight; we declined to oblige her.  Do you believe that people who don't own real estate should not be allowed to vote on property taxes?  That people who don't have jobs should not be allowed to help choose legislators who may raise our income taxes?  Unless your honest answer to both questions is a resounding "yes," your suggestion that I "stay out of it" is hypocritical at best.  This is a republic; we all get to have our say, and if you don't like it, feel free to emigrate.  And one more thing: as long as a woman has the legal power to destroy my son or daughter in utero, I have a stake in this.

To She-Who-Named-Herself-After-A-Victorious-Feminine-Hygiene-Product: your suggestion that conservatives hate poor people gets my vote for dumbest comment on here today.  I know many conservatives who are generous and charitable as individuals.  Objecting to a compulsory and inefficient redistribution of wealth is not hatred per se.

Folks, it is disingenuous to treat this as a "rich vs. poor" issue.  Poor women ALREADY have very few abortions; Medicaid doesn't cover it, remember?  Most of the abortions performed in this country are on middle and upper class women.

In the interest of fairness, I also take issue with Bryan's statement that most Democrats don't believe in God.  Most of the ones I know are not atheists, and many of them are people of strong and sincere faith (something I don't have much of, I must confess).

Question for Informed: would you mind IDENTIFYING the "documents our Founding Fathers created defining a person?"  I've read the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution (including the Bill of Rights), the Federalist Papers, even the Articles of Confederation.  There's nothing in any of 'em that restricts "personhood" to the post-born, or even the post-viable.  If it's in one of those specific documents, please be so kind as to say WHERE...I must have missed it.

 

Chung Lee

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stormy

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stormy

And it wasn't me who flagged your stupid comment!

Chung Lee

Chung Lee is not into boys so Chung Lee is not interested in some sort of Larry Craig type meeting.  Chung Lee think you have Freudian slip when you think of Chung Lee in Chung Lee underwear.

Informed

Stormy, ever hear of the term "natural born person"?  And please cite a case where a person in Ohio has been convicted of murder of a zygote or embryo, or a fetus less than 22 weeks gestation.  Not what your supposed lawyer neighbor states hypothetically what could happen, I am talking about reality.  If Ohio law doesn't distinguish that, then why aren't doctors who dispose of fertilized embryos in a clinic charged with murder?       

Informed

And the fact that some states, including Ohio, have fetal homicide laws only further muddies the water with inconsistencies.  Either a fertilized egg is a person, or it's not.  I for one am not ready for the societal consequences on numerous levels if the law decided that a fertilzed egg is in fact a person and is entitled to the same rights and protections under the law that natural born persons are.

stormy

informed, please cite exactly where that term is used, so I can look it up.  The term "natural born citizen" is one I'm familiar with; it's used to differentiate between citizens born in the U.S. and naturalized ones.  One thing seems certain: the Framers were not attempting to differentiate between the post-born and the pre-born, since the latter group was not being massacred back in the 18th Century.

You may not be ready to recognize a zygote as a person, but many of us are.  I won't repeat my reasons; they're listed in one of my earlier comments.  If you look, you'll note that they're not based on religious beliefs.  They're based on biological facts, even though my conclusion is an opinion.

Your conclusion, that a fetus isn't a person until it is viable, is likewise an opinion; a less logical one than mine.  Logically, "personhood" should have a uniform starting point.  Yours is variable; it's also convenient, enabling you to justify the unconscionable.

I once did some construction work for a Hindu sect.  They referred to terms like "fetus," "pro-choice" and "termination of pregnancy" as the LANGUAGE OF UNCONSCIOUSNESS.  Yes, these terms do a nice job of numbing the heart and mind to the barbarism for which they stand.  Kinda like "final solution."

stormy

HEY, BRYAN!!!!!

If the "Whispering Coward" award hasn't been handed out yet, I'd like to nominate Chung!  He is the very incarnation of it.

While nearly all of us post anonymously, under made-up usernames, Chunk adds an extra layer of anonymity, in the form of a phony chinese persona.  How do I know it's fake?  Because no self-respecting asian-american would write in cheesy pidgin English, like a bad imitation of Charley Chan at the tail-end of a three-day bender.

More importantly, Chunk attacks without provocation, hurling cheap insults like penny candy from a parade float.  Yes, I've tossed a few; many of us go overboard now and then, but Chunk relishes it.  Then there's the fact that he won't accept my challenge to fight, even at a time and place of his choosing.  Perhaps that's just as well; I'd show up as a point of honor, and probably get arrested on the spot.  He'd stay home, giggling to himself in Mama-San's basement.

And if there's an award for the runner-up, the rest of the left-wingers on here should share it collectively, for NEVER taking Chunk to task for his behavior.  If he were conservative, they would be on him like soy sauce on fried rice for his two-bit coolie routine.  But no, they just smile and go along with it.

Bryan Dubois

Anybody wanna second that motion?

Mime Bloggling

Here! Here!.....I'll second that.

Chung Flung Poo again??   Stormy Lightening fast retort...snort snort. ;-)

Ya gotta respect a guy who protects and defends Ol' Schwantz.

Bryan Dubois

Very well.

Writing up the citation now.

Bryan Dubois

Chung Lee, you are hereby awarded the title of WHISPERING COWARD - a title originating from the cartooning work of Mr. Don Lee.

The title of whispering coward should not be taken lightly.  Only after a severe pattern of cowardly rhetoric posted on the digital pages of the Sandusky Register, shall this title be awarded.

After having shown a well-established pattern of cowardly, unprovoked, anonymous, personal attacks against your fellow citizens, you shall be adorned with this most dishonorable title.  You have consistently used incendiary and offensive language, unfair debate tactics, and have been a general nuisance for all who seek civil discourse in our community, we hereby award you this most deserving and infamous distinction.

Chung Lee....

You Are The Whispering Coward.

Chung Lee

Chung Lee think there is no doubt that the Whispering Coward should go to the pseudo journalist who claims to be one thing and clearly has an agenda and yet denies it.  Interesting that as the moderator, Bryan is quick to disagree with those with a contrary viewpoint and admoninish those who he claims not to be civil.  Amazing that a user who shares his opinion has threatened Chung Lee with physical violence and the only thing that the former regugitator tool can say is "will anybody second that"?  Keep it classy Bryan.  Maybe if you actually went to school to be a journalist you would realized how much of an idiot your really are, but your ignorance and inablity to reflect on your own motives clearly prevents that from hapening.  Chung Lee will gladly wear your honor of whispering coward and will strive to one day be as good ast the founder of the Reguritator. 

Massengill Wins...

It is clear that Chung has a point.  This Whispering Coward Award was only going to be available to one of the liberal commentors.  Seems that the original "whispering coward" nomination blog only received 15 comments over a month ago and no nominations.  It appears that it is very fitting that Mr. Dubois chose the dead of night to bring it to the forefront.  It is also very alarming that instead of correcting stormy for threatening another poster or at least reporting the clear violation of guidelines..... he instead takes his nomination and crowns Chung Lee the Whispering Coward!  Does anybody else find it ironic that the nomination for this "award" was made by one user threatening another user (for at least the 3rd time) and instead calling him out....... they basically condone his comments.  I sure hope Chung Lee contacts one of the adults at the Register and straightens this out because it is very clear that Mr. Dubois is only using his position to mislead and to promote his childish political agenda and in this case a personal vendetta.  To me Mr. Dubois has earned the Whispering Coward hands down.along with a Yellow Journalism Award!

Factitious

It's not enough that Mr. Dubois comments 11 times in on his own column to argue with his readers -- now he's calling them names?!

Factitious

Chung Lee's incisive, irreverent wit blows away Dubois' self-serious wingnut blather. Dubois get to much play. Chung Lee should get his column.

Massengill Wins...

I sure hope the Register takes a look at this because regardless of the name calling, one commentor threatens another and Mr. Dubois ignores the threat?  Funny this award was supposed to single out the name callers which the original nomination was packed with and then in his "presentation" he throws on some more? 

Raoul Duke

As I've stated, I'm against abortion. But I began commenting because I don't think that God or Jesus or religion in general has anything to do with this subject. If I were an athiest, I would still think it is wrong to kill people(unborn children OR adults). But I have to say Bryan, you have almost convinced me, through your childish behavior on this comment section, to profess myself as pro-choice, if for no other reason than to NOT agree with anything that you believe in. Are you one of those high school students interning with the Register, or are you an adult professional? It's really hard to tell sometimes...

Pastor Ron

Drive by Commentator?  Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.  Mocking and misrepresenting the beliefs of Christians?  I am a man of God armed and empowered by the word of God.  If anybody is on here misrepresenting the beliefs of others it is you Mr. Dubois.  Many time you call your beliefs rooted in Christianity but it is clear that your beliefs are not Christian but those of the corporations that have tricked the simple minded to vote against their own best interest.  Though I am no liberal, I have time and time again prayed for your soul because of your outlandish lies that cast dispersions on all true Christian.  I teach the word of the Lord Jesus and I am much more of a preacher than you are an intellectual or a jourunalist. 

Though I am not fond of that heathen Chung Lee you have brought false witness upon him.  You have accused him of being a coward and with that act showed that you indeed were the real coward.  When others advocated violence you said nothing, when others made ethnic slurs against him you said nothing, you created this award to identify the name callers and in doing so engaged in name calling.  Acts like this will not earn you a crown in heaven but it appears you can wear your own crown with pride!

Informed

   So if a citizen is either classified as natural born or naturalized, what is a zygote/embryo/fetus?  They are neither.  So therefore they can't be citizens of the USA.  But if they are all considered persons, then they need to be treated like persons.  Let's start with something like miscarriage, which is the death of an embryo/fetus before viability.  Causes of death are determined on people who are born, so if an embryo/fetus is a person as well, cause of death will need to be determined on embryos/fetuses as well.  Since it is estimated that anywhere from 25%-50% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage before the woman even realizes she might be pregnant, how do we determine when a death occured?  Are we going to start analyzing menstrual fluid of all sexually active women to make sure a death didn't occur?  Because what you are saying is a dead baby is a dead baby, no matter if it is a year old or if it is 2 weeks gestation.  What about miscarriages that are known to have occurred--is there going to be an investigation as to the exact cause of death?  Who is going to pay for that?

Now, how about tax purposes?  Why can't we claim unborn children as dependents?  Why can't they get a social security number?

Do you understand the point I am trying to make? 

Chung Lee

Chung Lee admit that when debating conservatives..... Chung Lee use unfair tactics.  Those tactics being facts and logic.  Unfortunately the conservatives only seem to have opinions and emotions (particularly anger). 

Factitious

Few members of either party would agree with every plank in their party's platform. Chimera is entitled to her personal opinion and I presume is still welcome in the Democratic party, as she presumably would be welcome in the GOP if she were a pro-choice Republican. What she doesn't get to do is hijack a party event to promote here contrary personal opinion.

stormy

I never threatened the little weasel; I simply offered him the opportunity to fight, if he had the stones to come out of the shadows and insult me to my face.  He doesn't, so it's a moot point.

I'm 48 yrs old; so yeah, I know that fighting is childish.  It's also illegal, so I'm just as happy that the punk would rather sit at home and throw insults in safety.  Funny; y'all get your noses out of joint over a mere invitation, but HIS shenanigans are just fine with you.  Twice in the past couple of weeks, this giggling lowlife has attacked me when I hadn't even addressed him.  I was trying to keep it relatively clean on this thread; the worst I've written was that one comment was the dumbest I'd seen all day.  I don't know who's worse; chung or his apologists.

But Bryan, you probably should've allowed some debate before handing out the award.

brutus smith

 stormy, go back to beating your dog.

stormy

My dog is a rescue; a gentle, loving creature who filled a big empty spot in my soul.  I never beat him.   And I'm generally not violent toward other humans; maybe I'll get back to that later.

Brutus, it's gratuitous, groundless and stupid insults, like the one you just posted, which deprive you and your clique of any credibility on here.

Chung Lee

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stormy

I'm going to ignore chung and brutus for a moment, and address this to anyone else who has been reading these comments.  Those two wouldn't believe what I'm about to write anyway.

I took a nap during lunch today, and had a nightmare; one that I've had many times.  When I awoke, I spent some time reflecting on things, including my war of words with chung.  I'm deeply ashamed that I allowed some faceless dweeb to provoke me to the point where I was actually willing to fight.  I'm not violent; the closest I come to violent conduct is yelling "HIT HIM" during a football game.

The truth of the matter is that I hate violence, and with good reason; violence turned my life upside-down.  Any of you nice folks know what it feels like to take a life?  I do, and I'd give anything to forget that feeling.  I was only 19; I was taking the daily receipts from my father's shop to the bank when a guy tried to rob me, and I wouldn't give him the money.  Had he been pointing his gun (a big .45 semi-auto) straight at me, I probably would've handed it over, but he was pointing it at the ground between us, and he looked just as scared as I was.  And I had this crazy, STUPID idea that I had to defend my Dad's money, so I pulled my own gun out of my coat pocket.  The other fellow actually managed to pull the trigger first, but he'd forgotten to chamber a round, and I shot him dead over a lousy fifteen hundred bucks. 

The other guy lived for a minute or two.  Ever see a man die of multiple gunshot wounds?  You don't want to; it's horrible.  I actually tried to help the guy.  He was coughing blood, gasping, wheezing.  His last words were:  "Man, I...I have a kid."  Why did he say that?  Was he trying to explain his actions?  Was he robbing me to feed his kid?  Was he trying to make me feel guilty?  Well, it worked.  I was cleared of any wrongdoing, but I've never forgiven myself.  I should've handed over the deposit bag.  I still relive those moments in my dreams at least a couple of dozen times a year, and always wake up in a cold sweat.  And yes, I still wonder about that guy's kid.  Maybe that's why I never married, never had kids of my own.

Please don't advise me to go to counseling; been there, done that.  I just have to live with what I did.

It took 29 years for someone to push me to the point where I'd be willing to raise a fist in anger.  Hope you're proud of yourself, chung.  From now on, you may hurl as many insults at me as you like, but you won't get under my skin again.

Bryan Dubois

Stormy, I hope you find peace - no matter what issues you've had to deal with. 

Mime Bloggling

 Back on track....

Psalm 139:16 (NIV)

"Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be."

stormy

The odds of my finding peace are pretty long.  All I know is that my experience gave me a rather unique perspective on the sanctity of life, and I won't stop defending it.  Neither will I let anyone incite me to violence, ever again.

Massengill Wins...

Clearly it was Chung Lee's fault that Stormy threatened violence?  Sounds like the typical type of personal accountablity that Republicans are famous for.  Maybe stormy should listen to less hate radio?

Mime Bloggling

 Via Chung Lee:

"Unfortunately the conservatives only seem to have opinions and emotions (particularly anger)." 

For a guy who has worn out the "Moderators have removed this comment because it contained personal attacks" button that's a pretty cheeky statement to make.

 

stormy

To she who named herself after a douche:  Just how dense are you?  Do I need to write it in a way that you can read more slowly?  Okay, here goes:

I...did...not...threaten...chunk.  If that's still too fast for you, perhaps you'd like to go to the zoo and watch the turtles go streaking by.

Had I indicated an intention to seek chunk out and assault him, THAT would be a threat.  I offered to fight him, if he was so inclined.  He wasn't.  Get the difference now?  Yes, I AM ashamed that I would even consider such a thing.  Nearly three decades ago, I vowed that I would never again hurt another human being, and I briefly lost sight of that.

And yes, chunkie's lack of civility IS his fault!  Letting the POS get under my skin was mine, but he won't get under it again.

stormy

Oh; and I don't listen to limbaugh, beck or hannity.  They are buffons, as are matthews and maddow.

stormy

Oops.  Typo.  Buffoons.

Massengill Wins...

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stormy

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Massengill Wins...

No I didn't say anything offensive but apparently there is a big baby who will cry if somebody says something mean to him.  Pretty sure that cry baby reported it.  I'm telling.  You sound like a real tough guy.  Like I said before the only people I know by the name of stormy are strippers.

stormy

So you hang out with strippers, eh?  Would they happen to be your mother and sisters?

My username (perhaps ill-chosen, I must admit) was based on my actual nickname: BlackCloud, which was hung on me by a friend who happened to be Lakota.  He said it was because my appearance was rather serious and gloomy.  Maybe I should've signed on as BlackCloud, but since quite a few people already knew me by that handle, I didn't.

And you should talk; maybe I'll just cally you "dooshy" from now on.  The spelling's kinda cute, don't you think?

I didn't hit the "abuse" button, by the way.  Not my style; makes my responses irrelevant, if people can't see what I'm responding to.  In fact, I never saw what you wrote.  Was on my way to play golf when you posted it, and it was gone before I logged back in.

Just remember, sweetheart; I won't resort to physical violence; I won't let ol' chung get under my skin, and the same goes for his pals.  But I never said I'd sit here and take whatever y'all throw at me.  From now on, whatever insults you come up with, I'll top 'em.  Getting even is a lot more fun than getting mad, and getting ahead is even better.  Heh-heh-heh.

 

brutus smith

 I actually blame bryan for bringing out the strong emotional anger of people. I think he's trying to be rush or glenn. 

stormy

Brutus, I don't watch or listen to either of those fellows, so I don't know how Mr. Dubois compares to them.  But right-wingers don't have a monopoly on stirring things up, you know.  Your friend chung could induce Mother Teresa to drop an F-bomb (if she weren't dead, that is). 

Julie R.

I'm afraid I am going to have to agree with Pator Ron here, Mr. Dubois. If anybody is a whispering coward I do so think it is YOU.

Julie R.

Pastor Ron accuses Bryan of bringing false witness against Chung Lee......

Isn't that the norm here in Erie County, Bryan----bringing false witness? That's what I've heard, anyway. Seems to me there's a certain person in this county (I will mention no names) who everybody is supposed to live in fear of.  Why I don't know because he and his nasty group of old thugs in the legal system certainly don't scare me, even though I have heard they have brought false witness against a lot of people. So maybe while Pastor Ron is praying for your soul he might want to pray for them, too. On the other hand, I personally wouldn't waste my time praying for dirt bags like that.

brutus smith

 Oh come on Stormy, I looked a Chung Lee as bringing the news and facts with a Jon Stewart, of the Dailey Show, flare to it. You just need to lighten up a bit, and I know what happened to you early in life has an effect. So argue your points, be firm, but chuckle a little bit also. It will be good for your health and your soul. :)

Mime Bloggling

 MAJOR......

stormy

Okay, Brutus, I'll concede this much: ol' Chung CAN be funny sometimes.  A few months back, I criticized "free trade," and wrote that all it had done was fill our Wal-Marts with cheap Chinese crap.  A few minutes later, Chung chimes in with:

"Hey...Chung never crap in Wal-Mart!"

I almost fell out of my chair laughing.

On the other hand, he can be mean-spirited, and when he gets personal, he goes for the jugular.  I was trying to keep it civil on this thread, knowing how passionate both sides of the abortion debate can be.  It wasn't me who turned it into a pi$$ing contest.  Nonetheless, I'll try to lighten up, as you suggest.

Mime: what's with the eyeballs?

Mime Bloggling

 Stormy....it's just a major eye roll.

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