BLOG: Abortion Is A Dirty Word

Bryan Dubois
Sep 16, 2010

The mere mention of the word is controversial - even though supporting the right to abortion is a tenet of the modern day Democratic party.

Debate any abortion supporter and they'll object to your use of the phrase 'pro-abortion' to describe their position. They'll claim that using the phrase in unfair and inaccurate because nobody wants abortions.  Nobody likes abortion.  The existence of such a grisly, barbaric act exists to the dismay of all, you see.  Democrats simply believe that a woman should have the right to choose whether or not to have an abortion.

So if you oppose abortion, don't bother demonizing those who don't.  All people recognize the inhuman nature of terminating a child's life because of the inconvenience the child may introduce into the parent's life.  Yes, the majority of abortions in this country fall under this category.

So don't bother.  You couldn't possibly demonize a concept that most people feel uncomfortable talking about already.  What you should do is continue pointing out the reality of abortion.  Abortion can only exist if supporters don't have to face the reality of abortion. 

For example:  How many supporters of abortion would be willing to describe to you - during a debate - the detailed procedure of a D & X abortion?  (aka dilation & extraction, partial-birth abortion).  If any of them even know the details of the procedure, I'd bet money that they'd decline to explain it to you. 

Common sense says, I'm not going to explain the procedure because I'd sound like a monster for supporting it.  Can we just describe it as a 'medical procedure?'

Opposers should concede that the act is a "medical procedure" by responding with a poster of an aborted child with the Hippocratic oath posted beneath it.

"...never do harm to anyone."

Let common sense do the arguing.

You might as well agree with them that abortion is wrong and that nobody likes it - and then simply point out that on such a divisive issue there are two groups of people: 

Those who disagree with abortion because it's inhuman and wrong, and those who disagree with abortion because it's inhuman and wrong - but are quite willing to tolerate it.

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Kinda related:

What's in a name?

The makers of high fructose corn syrup have abandoned the idea of doing a name-saving campaign. 

Once a word has become so reviled, you can't even mention it without turning people off.

Comments

Mime Bloggling's picture
Mime Bloggling

 Yes....the mutilation of a pre-born baby in it's mother's womb is just a tad 'controversial. And to think at one time in our culture the womb was not only a sacred place but a safe place to live for 9 months.

columbus avenue

Mime.  What planet have you come from?  Where is THAT written???  Do your history research honey.

Kelly
Bryan Dubois

They say a picture is worth a thousand words.  I'd say the caption beneath this one is also worth a thousand.

Bryan Dubois

Columbus Ave, what are you talking about?

brutus smith

 Why do you guys want to abandon our Constitution for a theocracy?

meowmix

So, tell me Brian, just how many children have you adopted or fostered in the last several years?

Also, don't tell me or any other woman what she can or cannot do with her uterus and I promise you, I'll keep my opinions regarding your prostate gland all to myself.

Bryan Dubois

Meowmix, you believe that only women are allowed to discuss this issue?

brutus smith

 If men were the ones having babies this would be a non issue. We would have abortion clinics on every corner.

meowmix

You got that one right Brutus!

Also, the right to lifers always want to go the graphic route and describe the worst case scenerio abortion--i.e. the D and X as Mr. Dubois wrote.   But, why didn't he mention that abortions can also be performed by the simple act of taking two pills?

 

Either way, regardless of why a woman chooses abortion over birth is no one's business but her own.

Pundit

Lots of medical procedures have grisly descriptions. Should we ban open heart surgery because of how horrible it sounds? Are we that childish?

Bryan Dubois

1.  The simplicity of killing makes it more soothing to supporters.  The simplicity doesn't make it right.

If one is against capital punishment - does the seemingly "humane" nature of killing someone make it right?

2.  Open heart surgery is designed to save life.  Partial birth abortion is designed to end it.

Pundit, do you believe the two procedures are morally equivalent?

Mime Bloggling's picture
Mime Bloggling

The notion that one must adopt or foster children or own a uterus to have a voice if they espouse a pro-life view is very weak argument...how in the world does that argument justify abortion?That's like saying only Jewish people can discuss the Holocaust. The premise that so called pro-choice advocates contend  (the baby by the way gets no choice)...is that these unborn babies are not somehow fully human and/or are not wanted or would place an undue burden on the life of the biological mother. President Obama called these pre-born babies "mistakes". I contend there are no unwanted babies...every baby is wanted by someone...just ask the 2.1 million infertile couples in the United States alone.

 http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/fertile.htm

Gianna Jessen Abortion Survivor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-j9CDgRSt8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0pvR1v8Gjc&feature=related

 

Bryan Dubois

Thank you Mime.  I actually wanted to see if meowmix was willing to plainly state that only women could discuss this issue.   I don't think she would have.

As far as trying to make abortion a personal/privacy issue:  Citizens are not allowed to abuse narcotics.  Why not? 

Raoul Duke

So I'm assuming all of you anit-abortion people are also against any kind of war or military action, because unless you oppose a military action by your country, then you aren't essentially supporting it? And, killing, is killing.

Pundit

1. All the jurisprudence surrounding abortion is tied to the right to privacy found mainly in the 4th amendment, and to a lesser extent in the 9th and 14th. Thus, legally anyhow, abortion is a personal/privacy issue. I don't see any analogy with drug prohibition, but I'll let you flesh that out. 

2. A fetus is not a person until at the very least the 22nd week of pregnancy, it is at this point when it attains viability, i.e. it can live outside the womb with medical care. This is well within the general agreed upon time period when most abortion happens, the first trimester. If you want you may persist in your dogma that all abortions are the same, that there is no distinction by time and reason, but most people not writing for high school newspapers are able to understand the difference. Are you opposed to birth control? Do you believe life begins at penetration?

3. I don't have a scale of morals for medical procedures. Neither do doctors. Which is more morally valid lancing a boil or freezing a wart? Abortion can be to save the life of the mother, still opposed? This is the reason for your personal goblin, the extremely rare late term abortion, to save a life. And yes the life of the living breathing mother is more valuable than the fetus.

4. Women do take precedence in this debate for obvious reasons.

5. Do you seek to legally ban abortion Brian? Or is this just about moral condemnation? If so I can live with that, but don't impose your moral worldview on other peoples wombs. 

6. Glad to see you backed away from your 'abortion sound bad' position. Do you know anyone who has had an abortion? Are you one of those people out to stop the new pills that can terminate a pregnancy early on with no medical procedure at all?

7. Do you think people who kill abortion providers are morally justified? Is that not the logical conclusion of your beliefs? 

8. The frequency of abortions is at an all time low, yet most people, outside of the south, who need or want one can get one safely and legally. It seems like a settled issue. Which gets back to the Chimera woman, people want fix the economy and talk progress, not jabber about something most people have made peace with. Except for the occasional blogger and single issue activists I guess.

9. Oh, and just curious, but does the anti-abortion movement all get back to the belief that someone might abort the second coming of Jesus? Isn't that where it all starts out? Can't ever get an answer on this.

 

Chung Lee

Chung Lee no understand why conservatives are so concerned about babies in womb but after baby born to a poor family......to bad go hungry!  Baby born to poor family......baby no get healthcare because parents are lazy.  This make no sense.  Only thing clear is that tea party people no want government involved unless it is used to limit the liberty of others they no agree with.

starryeyes83

NO one ever explains  how the rest of us are suppose to   financially support all these  "non-aborted"  babies they want.  More babies equals more welfare bucks, afterall. 

Why is that?

 

Abortions have been around for hundreds of years; only the methods are different.

Lucius

Women have a choice about whether or not they want a baby but that power ends at conception. Abortion is murder. We were all just zygotes once and we had a chance to have a life and so it is our duty to protect those babies so they may have the same opportunities we have and enjoy.

Cross

For the record I'm anti death penalty, as well. Also, defending ones country is slightly different than killing viable babies, for whatever reason.

I can empathize with those who want immediate end to a pregnancy in the first few weeks, but the continued zealous support for second and third semester abortions is baffling to me. I'm curious if some of the bomb throwers here support late term abortion? Should it be on demand? Chung and Brutus, do you support this? When should abortion be not allowed? Do you support the Dems position on partial birth abortion?

Is it ok to terminate the fetus anytime it's in utero?

columbus avenue

Hey MIME, 

Why not ask those 'WANTED" ones that are beaten to death by parents who had them out of ignorance, drug and alcohol abuse, uneducation, prolifer guilt trips, Jesus etc.

 THEY ARE TRUELY THE ONES WITH NO CHOICE.

 

Pompous arse...

Hmmmmm.....

w.o.w.

Megalomania

This always seems to be a Dem vs. repub arguement.....

Why didn't the Republicans legislate against abortion all the many times they controlled congress and the White House?

Reagan, Bush..... total failures!

 

The truth be told.... Republicans don't value life any more than any other political group... they only value the votes the issue garners at election time...... if the failures known as Reagan and Bush had legislated against abortion, the repubs would have lost the abortion card played every November... disgusting hypocrites.

Raoul Duke

Who are we defending the country from right now in Iraq? How about Viet Nam? If we supposedly lost over there, then what happened? Who took us over? I'm against abortion, against the death penalty, and against any kind of military action. If you think that any one of those is immoral, how can you not think they ALL are? Do you pick and choose your morality? At the same time, they all happen, and that's just the way it is. Yet since we don't have to be part of any of it, it's really easy to make these comments. But, pull the switch once. Watch your daughter abort your grand child. Unload you automatic weapon into a couple of people. Most of us couldn't even look into a cow's eyes and eat a hamburger. Choosing to kill someone is never the first bad choice someone makes.

EastEndRez

It's the same old argument, time and again. Republicans are quick to tell you not to abort, it's murder, so on and so forth. But where are they when these children are born into poverty? Not wanting to foot the bill for their healthcare, that's for sure.

Ironically however, if these children make it to the age of 18, the Republicans will gladly send them off to war to be killed. Yet this is somehow justified.

Keep clutching your bible and your shotgun. I prefer to hold tight to common sense.

meowmix

Mime Blogging & Brian:--   I won't "plainly state" that only women have the right to discuss this issue--however, I will "plainly state" that we are the only ones who have a the right to decide upon this issue and decide what is best for our lives.

And please, don't pooh-pooh my statements  regarding the pro-lifer's position on taking away our right as women to choose  if they haven't stepped up to the plate to take on an unwanted child, nor have they ever found themselves in a position of an unwanted pregnancy.

I happen to be in a position where I see just what does happen to some children "lucky" enough to have been born to crack addicted mothers, abusive/neglectful parents and the like.    Sorry, I wouldn't want to see an animal abused in such a manner, let alone a child.

Regardless, it is a personal choice to decide whether or not to abort or give birth.  The option to do it safely should be a woman's right.

brutus smith

 cross, bryan and you others out there against Gov interference in your life. Why do you support Gov interference in a woman's life? 

Cross

Answer my question and I'll answer yours, Brutus, or is that against the playbook? Do you support second and third semester abortions? Do you support the legal right to late term aboriton?

In regards to why the GOP did not legislate abortion, Roe v Wade is a court decision. It needs to be reviewed and changed in the courts.

They've tried to pass partial birth abortion and other late term fixes, that have been blocked by the Dems.

This is surely about rights. A viable human life is snuffed out for convenience sake. It really is a shame, and some just play political football. 

Brutus, there are pro life Dems you know. This shouldn't be a political issue. I'm not talking about the morning after pill, or things that one can argue scientifically, I'm talking about all the aborted later term babies.

brutus smith

 cross, I don't know if I can be any clearer on this, it's not up to me, or you, to tell a woman what to do with her body. Now if you are asking me if I would like to see less abortions, of course. I would like to see less wars, less greed, less pollution also.

Pundit

 Seems like I post and then Bryan goes away!

Working on his next post no doubt. What ill informed, reactionary topic could it be?

What was on Fox News last week? What did Tom Jackson just blog about? Oh, yeah Republicans leading in polls... will bryan cut and paste a portion of that and then attempt to link it to some sort of ill defined trend?

Fellow Commentators place your bets! What will Bryan post about next?

(this is critical of bryan's journalistic abilities not his personal life. just wanted to say so before i get deleted and/or blocked)

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