BLOG: Former Bassett's Clerk Gets 11 Months Behind Bars

Bryan Dubois
Jul 16, 2010

 

Here's an example of the occasional senselessness of our criminal justice system:

What good comes from sending this woman to prison?

She admitted her mistake.

She's been publicly embarassed by her mistake.

She cannot make amends behind bars (which she probably has already made.) and now she cannot care for her family who depends on her.  We're punishing her children for something she did.  (Is that right?  Is that the purpose of our criminal justice system?  I always thought it was for the protection of society and the rehabilitation of an offender.)

Tax dollars must now be spent to house a non-violent offender who has admitted her mistake and has sought help in dealing with it.

Again, what is the purpose of using one of the harshest punishments we have on this woman?  Are we using a prison sentence for retaliation?  Retribution?

Does a prison sentence for this first time offender make sense?

Comments

Speakezy

What a bunch of cry babies. Bryan maybe it's time to take off the dipers and put on the big boy pants. SHE BROKE THE LAW AND DESERVES THE PUNISHMENT! As far as this gem of a comment "now she cannot care for her family who depends on her.  We're punishing her children for something she did" Maybe Ms. Gilliam should have though about that before she committed the crime! I hope she rots in jail!

HKS

On one hand I agree with you...but what does it teach her children if she faces no punishment?  No matter what you do, say you're sorry and then there are no consequences?

I think you might also have an overly-romanticized Hollywood view of prison.  Every prison is not "The Shawshank Redemption".  Given the nature of her non-violent crime, and the fact that she's a woman, she'll be placed in a non-violent offenders wing (minimum security) of a women's facility.  Minimum security prison is hardly what you see in TV and the movies.  There are still strict curfews of when and why you can be out of your cell, there is still the chance of running afoul of a prison gang or drug culture, but it's not going to be a life-or-death struggle by the minute. 

Plus, prison will give her access to the gambling support/addiction counseling she needs.  Chances are if she just cried about it in the courtroom and let off, she'll always manage to be "too busy" in the outside world to take commiting to a program like that seriously.

Also, Ohio has a rule about taking a day off of a sentence for every three days without a discipline issue, and I imagine in a non-violent offenders unit there aren't too many of those.

I say she'll be out in 4-6 months.  Any overcrowding issues in her facility, and she'll be one of the first people let go for house arrest.

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Mime Bloggling

 I'm with you on this one Bryan. First time offense...non-violent offender status...the public reckoning and humiliation is more than enough especially when you look at the disparity of some sentences meted out in our justice system. For the sake of the kids she should not be sent to prison...a waste of taxpayer's money.

Tweety Sees Eve...

By your standards, a first time rapist  and first time killer should not get prison either.  AS long as they are publically humiliated and admit to wrongdoing. 

That makes it all better.  Just like a bandaid and a kiss from Mama.

Bet She does not steal when she gets out. 

As for her "Alleged" gambling problem...bet it is cured too!

Go figure! 

Do the crime, serve the time!

Salvatore

Am I reading correctly what Bryan has written? The comments could fit Bryan's former business partner who is serving a 8 year sentence. What good comes from sending this woman to prison. She's been publicly embarassed. Tax dollars must now be spent to house a non-violent offender. Again, what is the purpose of using one of the harshest punishments we have on this woman?  Are we using a prison sentence for retaliation?  Retribution?

Chung Lee

Chung Lee thinks a very valid point is being missed here.  This woman engaged is her theft a number of times over a period of time.  This was not just one lone incident but a collection of incidents.  She had ample opportunity to seek help before she was caught and unlike others she had good insurance that would cover the treatment.. 

Some could argue that Mr. Williams (the guy short in the stree)  or a number of these other local thugs should be forgiven for their crimes as well.  Prison is for criminals and this woman has proven to be a habitual criminal who was able to live her life without scrutiny because she was middle class.  Some of you "Glenn Beck Constitutionalists" should remember that we all deserve equal protection under the law and equal punishment

Bryan Dubois

Chung,  simple question for you:  How do you equate an armed thug with Jodi Gilliam?  Is that an honest comparison, or are you just trying to argue for the sake of arguing?

A more compelling argument against the idea of compassion would be HKS's position:

Also, bro, what's with the Glen Beck obsession?

hussein membrane

 This story has so many angles!

If she gets probation then it is: cop's wife gets special treatment!

What kind of gambling was she into? Those sweepstakes internet cafes on Perkins?

Also, will she ever get another job? Around here, if she was just your average low wage middle age woman, then probably not, but as a cop's wife she should do alright. 

Sadly, I must agree with Brian Dubious. In no other western county would this woman do jail time.

Bryan Dubois

Hussein, thanks for overlooking the hate in your heart - for at least a short time - to agree with me.  I know it must be tough.  :)

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Mime Bloggling

 Bryan.....I'm more concerned about someone who would equate rape (a violent crime) with stealing cash to satisfy a gambling addiction. Spicywiener...your logic escapes me...so glad you aren't in a position of authority.

Bryan Dubois

Mime, he calls himself "Carlos Spicywiener."  My personal rule is to never take somebody more seriously than they take themselves.  But yeah, I agree with you.

Chung Lee

Bryan you seem to be missing the point entirely.  The reason we have codified our laws is provide standards to live by and as a guide to acceptable behavior.  The manner by which a person commits a crime or their social status has little bearing and does not negate the transgression.  If a person robs another with the aid of a pen, slight of a hand or with the aid of a weapon doesn't  make the victim any less of a victim.  Your reasoning suggests that a white woman in her 50's who steal $5,000 from her employer is less of a criminal than a 20 year old black guy stealing his neighbors car.  So one must question if this is an issue of fairness or something "darker"?  Just curious what if it was the 20 year black kid that stole from his employer and the 50 year old white woman who stole the car?  Would your opinion be different?

For a self proclaimed Constitutional Scholar such as yourself, the inconsistency of the application of the law is blaringly obvious and apparently the equal protection under the law is just a phrase and not a creed.  Your inability to see the inconsistency of your belief only shows the limits of your "education".  It may assist you to read some political philosophy.  Chung Lee would suggest Spirit of the Laws by Montesquieu.  Interesting that it is now out of style to like anything French, but more than a couple of the founding fathers read this book and it  had an impact on them..

Chung Lee

One more thing, for some, a violation of trust is more devastating than the threat of violence.  Chung Lee knows a guy named "Joe" supports this philosophy 25,000 %.

Bryan Dubois

Chung, of course your latest post would make sense if you hadn't attempted to equate a shooter with a simple thief.   (No matter how many offenses)  And yes Chung, people who have families and are making good in society are given different treatment than thug robbers with guns.

They're not viewed as the same thing.

Please tell me you're not this out of touch with the way the world works...

Anyway, back to the pedantry.  (I have a feeling this next post from you is going to get the 'ole head-nod-fake-like-you-agree-with-the-nutcase-in-order-to-get-away-and-enjoy-the-party-with-the-other-normal-guests' reaction.

starryeyes83

Who would hire her, now?     She's a known thief.   

Bryan Dubois

Excellent point.  

And that's a punishment we don't have to spend tax dollars on.

Chung Lee

Bryan is is quite clear that your lack of reading comprehension skills impedes you ability to understand the content.  Chung Lee clearly provided a hypothetical.  Chung Lee was not refering to the Sandusky shooter but a GENERIC 20 year old black man.  Read my comment again (but Chung Lee doesn't expect you to admit it a-la-Republicans-the-founders-of-civil-rights-mantra).  Your rush to criticize once again shows that your understanding of the world is limited by your talking points and lack of academic credentials.  Just curious... you criticize Chung Lee for challenging the status quo and suggest we should accept different justice for different classes, but you are the Don Quixote engaging in fantasy fights and glimpses of self grandeur.  Seems like you can dish it out in the most inappropriate and sophomoric manner, but yet cry victim when you get called out on your ignorance.  Call it what you want but it is very clear to those who read this and don't comment.  Enjory your little platform because with exchanges like this you come across as a complete backwoods tool.

Bryan Dubois

Chung, you said:

Okay, okay!  I'll go back and read your comment again.  You know, the one where you clearly provided a hypothetical about a GENERIC 20 year old black man:

Chung, if you could find time to take a break from calling me "uneducated," could you give us a summary of what instituations of higher education you attended?  We need to pass that information along to have the school stripped of it's accreditations. 

So Chung, are there any other details you'd like to share about this hypothetical Mr. Williams, the guy short in the stree?

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Mime Bloggling

 So Chung Lee.....are you saying that all black or/ minority law breakers are always sentenced more harshly than whites on a first offense? That seems the implication. My understanding is that the presiding judge has some discretion within the law as far as sentencing....this judge obviously decided she needed prison time. In another court another judge might have given her probation with some stiff restrictions. In today's world we almost need the wisdom of Solomon to administer true justice. A 20 year old black or white male might need a wake up call of some jail time if he steals a car. I'd call that intervention. A 52 year old woman with a gambling problem that steals cash (over time) and it's a first offense just might merit some mercy. On the other hand I have to wonder about the law when it allows a habitual drunk driver 9 drunk driving convictions and then finally after his 10th DUI which included an injury accident to finally be sentenced to prison as in the case of the Milan driver.

Tweety Sees Eve...

Mime, Your logic does not make sense.  Since you had to choose me to attack, let's look at your statement shall we...

A 20 year old black or white male might need a wake up call of some jail time if he steals a car. I'd call that intervention. A 52 year old woman with a gambling problem that steals cash (over time) and it's a first offense just might merit some mercy. On the other hand I have to wonder about the law when it allows a habitual drunk driver 9 drunk driving convictions and then finally after his 10th DUI which included an injury accident to finally be sentenced to prison as in the case of the Milan driver.

You are saying that her crime merits mercy.  This was not a crime of a first offense.  This was done over and over and over.   First offense means it is the first time she got caught.  You can bet your bottom dollar that she would still be stealing if she had not been caught.  She is only guilty of getting caught, like most criminals.  If she stole $5,000 or more from you, would you say...it is ok?  I am guessing that you would want her prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.  Let's change it to fit your circumstances...a person breaks into your house and robs you while you are out.  They don't do it once...they do it over and over and over again until it totals at least $5,000.  Now are they a criminal?

What does this have to do with a DUI?  you seemed to think that My statement meritted your comment.  Just not sure where you can draw a parallel to another toatally different crime, but when I try, it is not acceptable to you.

Why defend a criminal?  Why not accept the fact that she got caught.  An addiction is not an acceptable excuse.  Especially an addiction that NO ONE KNEW ABOUT until she got caught?  That is like saying that a drug user is not an addict until he/she gets caught.  He/She is still a criminal, violating the laws of our local, state and federal governements. 

Do the crime = Do the time!  Plain and simple.

Salvatore

Oy Mime!!!! Blacks get thrown in prison. Whites get a good deal. Are you practicing trying to be smart? Go mime in some comic books.

Salvatore

I agree with Carlos Spicywiener. Carlos Spicywiener is smart and educated.

Julie R.

I must be missing something here.  A thief shouldn't go to jail because it serves no purpose but a disbarred attorney should get 8 years for calling some corrupt old judge corrupt? I think you need to get your priorities straight.

Bryan Dubois

No,  Julie.  You're not missing something.  You're adding something.  You're adding words when there weren't any.  Nobody said Baumgartner should be in prison. 

Re-read your comment and imagine you saying it to me in the midst of a large gathering.  Say, like a party.  Do you realize how nutty it would've come across?  You butted in with your comment and you put words in my mouth.  I would've looked at you with a "this-lady-is-crazy" look on my face and beelined toward another group of people.

Not trying to be mean.  Just trying to honestly point something out to ya.  The comment section on here is like a large party.  Everybody is listening, but not everybody is talking.

Don't abuse anonymity on here.  Don't put words in my mouth. 

And welcome back!  How's everything going for you?  (Don't say anything about the probate case, okay?  People will appreciate it and they might begin to see you as a normal person capable of talking about something other than the court system.)

Julie R.

Bryan: I didn't add anything. I based my comment on your first sentence:

"Here's an example of the occassional senselessness of our criminal justice system."

Forgive me, but when I first saw that I couldn't help but think of the Elsebeth Baumgartner case. Sad to say, but that's a case that is going to haunt you for the rest of your life. So instead of calling other people crazy,  why don't you just admit the entire corrupt system is-----and as we both know especially here in Erie County. 

Julie R.

In comparison to other cases, this woman that stolde from Basset's sure was given a harsh sentence. She goes to prison for 11 months for stealing $5,000.00 yet the Huron Key Bank employee, who stole over half a million in a seven-year period, only got 2 years. So what's your opinion on that Erie County case, Bryan? Do you think it was senseless to send her to prison? After all, she admitted her mistake----------or should we say she got caught and had to. I also will be curious to see what kind of sentence is imposed on the Erie County deputy treasurer that stole taxpayer money for years. Are you going to say that because she admitted to it (i.e. she got caught)  it would be senseless to send her to prison, too?

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Mime Bloggling

Oh, gosh where do I start? I'm thinking Bryan is probably right in my attempting to explain this to Mr. Spicywiener. 

First of all I did not "attack" you but I did challenge the logic and your loose grasp of the facts in the original article above posted by Bryan.

"By your standards, a first time rapist  and first time killer should not get prison either.  AS long as they are publically humiliated and admit to wrongdoing." 

No where did Bryan ever come close to suggesting or equating a non-violent crime such as stealing with rape or killing/murder? Not once.

"You are saying that her crime merits mercy."

No, I said her crime MIGHT merit mercy since it IS a first offense and a non-violent crime. Just as I said that a 20 year old black or white male caught stealing a car MIGHT benefit with some early intervention jail time. That's why we have judges to determine the nuances of the case.

You failed to add the central point I was trying to make:

"In today's world we almost need the wisdom of Solomon to administer true justice." 

The disparity that sometimes occurs when it comes to meting out justice is troubling at times to me thus the comparison to the first offense non-violent crime of theft of money and the criminal act of driving drunk 10 times before actually being removed from the public highways.

 

Tweety Sees Eve...

Mime, you are still missing the point.

If she stole $5,000 or more from you in a series of break ins to your house, car or other properties that you may own, would you be saying give it to her light?  I cannot imagine that you would feel the same way.  Break ins are nonviolent usually, they just involve a window or coming in a door.  No one gets hurt, right?

That is what I am saying.  It is no longer a nameless, victimless issue.  Mime is the name and Mime is the victim now.  How would you feel?  Don't even say that you would be ok with that, because you know that is not true!

Salvatore

First offense and a non-violent crime? First offense because she was caught? Her stealing was not one incident as her stealing involved several incidents. What about all of the people in prison who did not steal or harm anyone, those that committed victimless crimes? Those people didn't get lenient sentences when it was only one offense.

Julie R.

Instead of saying the occasional senselessness of our criminal justice system it should have been the rampant senselessness. For example the following two Erie County cases:

The infamous black lady Krista Harris in 2001 got a harsh five-year prison sentence for a non-violent crime-----theft from an elderly relative using a legal power of attorney granted to her by the elderly relative. Yet in another case reported by the SR about a year ago somebody stole tens of thousands of dollars from an elderly relative's Trust by forging checks and all Judge Binette gave her was probation and an order to make restitution. Aren't Judges supposed to follow their own and/ or the precedents of other similar cases to avoid any hints of impropriety? 

Katelih-Trailer...

 to Julie R. yeah, you are right ! Isnt that the woman who happens to know alot of "dirt" on some pretty important white guys in Sandusky ?  

Chung Lee

Bryan apparently you missed the July 16, 1:15 pm comment that Chung Lee made and your ill prepared response on July 16, 2:33. Instead you chose to pretend that this clarification was not made and refer to the July 16, 10:35 am comment.  Did you miss the 1:15 comment (though you acknowledged it) or are you that dishonest to misquote the comments in the order that they occurred?  Then again it could be as simple as the fact that  you have difficulty following chronological order of events?   Amazing how you have mastered this Glenn Beck technique. 

Bryan Dubois

Chung, I read your posts. 

Still have no idea how it's relevent to what we're talking about.

The beauty of these commenting threads is that you can't be dishonest about what was said - because it's all still here!   Would you mind explaining this commenting dishonesty theory of yours?

Dude, another Glen Beck reference? 

Get some help, bro.  Maybe nobody in your life has ever been this honest with you, but this obsession with Glen Beck is not healthy.  It might be time to look into some kind of therapy.  Just my opinion.

Julie R.

Mr. Dubois: In reference to your question of "How's everything going for you?"---- were you referring to the probate case and the estate of the person who passed away eight years ago in 2002?  If so,  like all shady cases in corrupt Erie County it's like the Energizer battery-----it just keeps going and going and going!

 

 

 

brutus smith

Do you remember when hurricane Katrina struck and the black people who were taking things were called looters and the white people who were taking things were called survivalists?

Captain Gutz

brute',

"Do you remember when hurricane Katrina struck and the black people who were taking things were called looters and the white people who were taking things were called survivalists?"

Uhh, no I don't remember that. But I found this

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/looters.asp

That's  a photo of ONE black person, and there are some plausible explantions given as to why the photos were captioned the way they were. And I don't see the word "survivalist"

brutus smith

Chung, you are right about bryan's comprehension of things. He even pastes what you say in his posts and STILL can't comprehend it. Bryan, those mail order reading classes you took are not accredited.

Bryan Dubois

Brutus, you liked that accreditation line didn't ya?  Admit it: you laughed.  (Even though you ride Chung's jock, you still thought it was funny.)

Chung Lee

Chung Lee think it is funny that a "professional" blogger would say that  one commenter is "riding the jock" of another commenter (classy moved Sandusky Register).  Especially when this "blogger' has a last name that would be pronounced "Do Boys" by many of his intellectually challenged supporters.

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Mime Bloggling

 Sound like Chung Lee should change name to Yu Flung Poo.

hancrack me up

 Oh No! A cop's wife has to go to prison! How dare they print this! Such a horrible newspaer for printing the news & such a horrible public for reading it! I'd be willing to "bet" she gets out extreeeeemely earlier than others that have done the same crime- just like rapist Fitzpatrick did.

meowmix

I must say, of all the stories that I have read comments posted on this one by far has been the most entertaining!

Although I feel 11 months may have been too harsh,  a couple of months of three hots and a cot wouldn't have harmed her along with about 500 hours of community service- 100 hours being served standing outside of the Courthouse wearing a sandwich board that proclaims " I'M A THIEF".

Do boys.....Chung, hilarious- I peed a little laughing so hard at that!

ragtop66

She got at least part of what she deserved. What cop's wife, or any one else, wouldn't know that they were commiting a crime.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, period, no exceptions.

It's really too bad that her family, especially the kids, have to live through the embarrassment and scandal she has caused, something she obviously was too selfish to take into consideration.

I personally don't buy the bull that "she is sick because of her addiction". That is a path she choose, but that's just my opinion.

brutus smith

Finding supplies for what capt? Oh yeah, to survive! What a wingnut.