Real names only, please

Sue Daugherty
Mar 23, 2010

My previous blog, "My thoughts about angry bloggers and why they exist," seems to have resonated with quite a few people — pro and con.  I enjoyed the largely respectful discourse, but I'd like to experiment with one of the points made by the readers. 

Some bloggers contend that if the person commenting had to put their name to the words they wrote, the comments would be more respectful and less harmful and hurtful.

I'd like to make a request.  If you are going to comment on this week's blog use your real first name and your real last name.  True, I am trusting people will honor the "honor system" and yes, I do recognize that the unscrupulous will play the imposter. But for the sake of the spirit and intent of this blogging experiment, let's give a sincere try at being honest and public with our comments.  

OK,  here is this week's blog.

The high cost of gasoline, home heating and electricity is putting a real clamp on the American economy. Our economy is a mess.  Albert Einstein said something like, "The thinking that got us into this problem, is not the thinking that will get us out of it."

So I propose that we Americans change how we make decisions about consuming. What would happen if we did away with the typical American consumer mentality and stopped buying based on price alone?  What if we bought based on the value of putting an American back to work in addition to the price?  Not just one or the other, but both. It means that instead of having 20 pairs of pants or shirts in our closet, we might only own 7.

How would you respond?  Would you be willing to do that?

Maybe our current economic condition will provoke a new type of consumer mentality. Maybe U.S. citizens will start to understand that consuming doesn't mean you can have it all now and worry about paying for it tomorrow.  Because the reality is you can't.

We complain about the global race to the bottom and how we have to compete against workers in other parts of the world making pennies a day.  But as Americans we are responsible for this. We ourselves chase the cheapest price we can pay. 

Do those who are out of work, and we consumers, finally understand that  a microwave actually costs more than $69 to make? If we want to put Americans back to work, then we need to accept the fact that microwaves would cost more to manufacture "locally." Would the consumer be willing to pay more if it means putting our neighbors back to work?

If Americans would make this choice — the operative word is "choice" — I believe we would be well on our way to reviving our economy while at the same time not having so much "stuff" for the sake of having "stuff" (www.thestoryofstuff.com).  I realize that this means the typical American closet would have 7 shirts rather than 20, and each of those 7 shirt would cost much more. But the added benefit is your neighbor now has a job.

So what do you think?  Would you change your consumer habits to change our economy for the better? 

I welcome your comments — only with your real name, please.

Comments

Anonymous

If I only have 7 shirts, even if they are made in the U.S.A., I will have to do laundry more. Therefore, I will use more electricity and water. My neighbors are on welfare and don't want to work unless they get about $50 an hour, so the jobs created wouldn't go to them anyhow. I will, however, do my part for the country and start riding Bart's skateboard to the nuclear plant instead of driving my car.

Kelly

Sorry, Sue, but with all of the whackos out there, I'm not going to give out that much specific personal information. I'm a parent and I am not willing to post anything that might lead one of these people to myself or my children.

Sam

Once again why does she have a blog?
Answer because when she talks, Matt speaks.

Anonymous

Sue, I understand you position on people posting their names on the blogs, however, some of us are in a position where it is inappropriate to post our names. I usually try to contribute something meaningful.

With respect to buying American let me share this with you and everyone else. I recently wanted to purchase a cheese slicer, not a big deal. I wanted an AMERICAN MADE cheese slicer. I did not care if it was going to cost a lot more the one made in China. I looked in several places and could not find one. Mind you, I do not have a lot of time to be searching the internet, or driving all over. I check several local places anyone else may have checked I came up blank. I ended up getting something made in China. Very seldom any more do you find something with "made in the USA" stamped on it.

In all honesty, I have at times been dissapointed with American made goods, particularly automobiles. I had a 4 year old American made vehicle with only 33,000 miles on it. I was having brake problems. Turns out the pads were worn down, ok no big deal, pads wear out, but the local dealership told me the rotors were rusty and needed replacing. That was totally unacceptable, and cost me over $200 extra. I am all for buying American, I support Unions, but I wish companies would stand by their products.

Anonymous

Sue, I am not willing to use my name because of the politics in this town. If we all don't see eye to eye with one another, we are listed as a negative people. In Sandusky, you all must think alike. Blogs are just that, your opinion without someone knowing who you are. Freedom to express yourself without someone thinking you are a negative thinker because you don't think like they do. It would be a dull world if we all thought alike and went with the crowd. By the way, try to buy something American; it is impossible.

Anonymous

Sue, I won't even address the issue of signing my "name" to this as I believe it to be irrelevant unless it would be some type of demeaning, filthy, or lude comment, which this is'nt.
The main problem in the American workforce (including employees as well as employers) is GREED. In one of your earlier blogs, someone quoted the Biblical text that states "out of the heart...", and this covers and abundance of issues, including GREED. The apostle Paul wrote that we are to be content with what we have. That does not mean that we cannot better ourselves and strive for a better position both economically and in society. But, it does mean that we should not do so at the expense of our fellow man.
Workers at various plants and across this country kept 'raising the bar' by driving their contracts up for higher and higher wages. This meant the profit for the companies kept dropping, so they in turn would increase the price of goods. When it got to the point that this was no longer a feasible choice (Japan was producing automobiles and electronics at cheaper costs), they began to cut at the "quality" of the American product. The "failure" of the product was literally built into the item, so this would "insure" continued upkeep and purchases. American workers (backed by the self serving unions) when pushed by the companies to 'produce more' would do things like damage their own production equipment so they could have more 'down time' and even be sent home with pay. I myself have heard some of these same workers 'joke' about this practice. But now the chickens have come home to roost.
American companies have gone international. Why pay an American worker (who only does a mediocre job) $30.00 an hour (Plus benefits), when they could pay some one in Mexico $5.00 an hour (No benefits) to produce the same product with about the same quality level?
In America it was at one time known, (and throughout the world) that if it was made here, it was the BEST product you could possibly purchase. Today, this is no longer true. And whether we want to admit it or not we know it is so.

Elwood

Sue,

I can't believe you would think for one minute that folks who blog would use their real name. You can't really be that naive.
Blogging is a chance for every day folks, and a few weirdo's to state their opinion on anything. It is their moment in the sun. The blogger can pretty much say anything about anything, true or false, stupid or intelligent, it makes no difference.
If you want bloggers to list their real names, and take full responsibility for their words and actions, then the readers forum would be a better choice, but here the blogger shall remain anonymous, that's just the way it is.

Anonymous

I was wondering if anyone saw Barrack Obama's speech today? (From Lansing Michigan) We was largely speaking about energey independence, and putting Americans back to work. In particular he mentioned plug-in hybrids and electric cars. I am all about stretching the dollar, as most others are. I would be willing to entertain the idea of an American plug-in hybrid, but I want quality and reliability. It seems foolish to save a few dollars at the gas pump only to have to turn around and spend the money on maintenance.

It is hard to define what is an "American Car" these days. A Ford Fusion is built in Mexico, a Honda Accord in built in Ohio. Both cars are of fairly high quality. Which vehicle is providing more jobs for Americans? I am aware the Honda plant is non-union, but I am certain the American Honda workers are making a lot more then the Mexican Ford workers (who are also non-union).

I am not against Unions. Unions are important to keep the work place safe, and to assure the workers are treated and paid fairly (paid enough to maintain a comfortable standard of living). However, some of the workers are grossly overpaid for their work, and the Unions protect workers even when they become counter-productive or disruptive. Getting paid $25, $30, or more an hour for shooting screws? Anyone can do that. Around here $25 an hour can let you live very comfortably. There should be a limit as to how much one is paid for mediocre work. Positions requiring skill should certainly be paid more, such as welders, chemists, ect. It seems some of the Unions have gotten greedy, and this caused some of the plants to be moved out of the country. I'd like to see these jobs come back, but don't expect them too.

Anonymous

so much for that theory huh.

Anonymous

Hello Sue...

I just thought I'd share with you some of the "chat about town" that has been floating around the last few weeks.

It would appear that Perkins Township is about to lose another business, only this time it involves a pharmacy as well.

I'm posting here because of your involvement with "Serving our Seniors." I'm sure that Annie Zelm may have information on this that she may be able to support. I would imagine there will be alot of prescriptions that need to "transfer" prior to the end of August that do involve Senior Citizens.

Just an FYI and a Head's Up!

Anonymous

I just looked up the word "naive"... and Sue's picture was there.

Anonymous

Sue, you must be joking about us using our real names on here! I am too frightened of some of the freaky, whacko people who frequent these comment sections to ever use my real name. I do not abuse the privelege when I post, but I still want to remain anonymous for my own safety.

Anonymous

OH!OH!OH! (sreaming loudly) Are you kidding me? You think these losers will post there real names? They are all direct decedents of Satan spewing unadulterated vile straight from the bowels of hell. How do I know this? I was once maried to one of them! OH!OH!OH!!!

Anonymous

OK, I posted my real name. Now watch people make fun of my name. My friend Di*k cannot post his real name because the SR will not allow it.

Anonymous

Hey Sue,

GET OVER YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous

Unfortunatly, I don't see that happening in the near future. :(

Anonymous

Sorry, Sue. I already have a higher profile than I'd like. I gave you one of my e-mail addresses as a gesture of good faith. You can ID me rather easily.

Let's do an experiment. Go through your house and throw away anything that wasn't 100% made in the USA. You'll probably be naked, shoeless, and without a toothbrush.

A friend asked me how Honda and Toyota consistently come out on top of consumer satisfaction and product quality surveys. Easy. The Japanese worker is obsessed by the quality of his product, while the American worker is focused on the quality of his paycheck. It's sad, it's cynical, and unfortunately, it's true.

What am I doing about it? I give my employers more than they pay for. I treat my job as if I own the company. Job one for me is to make everyone else's job easier. I'm not doing it for the money. I'm doing it because I believe in the company and our products. If more Americans would adopt a similar philosophy, we could recapture our rightful place as the world's economic powerhouse.

Until then, we'll just have to blame the Chinese for our buying habits.

Anonymous

I recently happened to hear an astute gentleman on a business show say something to the effect that, Americans idea of ‘saving’ is to go to a $1 discount store as opposed to a Target so they can buy more.

Keynesian or demand-side economics has been the dominant economic philosophy for practically seventy years in the U.S.

Over seventy percent of U.S. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) – the total of all goods and services produced by our county – is dependent upon the consumer.

We’ve reached a point in the history of this country where in order for our national economy to totally function, people need to buy stuff.

Additionally, many of our politicians are calling for another economic stimulus package to get more money to consumers so they can buy stuff.

It’s a viscous cycle where our country is transferring it’s wealth offshore and other countries like China and Japan are holding our securities (U.S. Treasuries) to help keep our interest rates low, so we can buy more stuff at affordable prices.

Americans are addicted to cheap goods and lots of it. To own less stuff at better quality would IMO be perceived as a lowering of standards of living.

Why do buffets and fast food places flourish, while restaurants with good quality, but costlier food are few to non-existent in the Sandusky area?

We want our wages to be high and the prices of our products that we buy low. Without constantly increasing productivity, that is an unsustainable contradiction.

Anonymous

I just heard that this weekend also. I heard that The Pharm is closing at the end of August. That stinks, I shop there. Very convenient place to grab anything from toilet paper to dog food to birthday cards. I hope something similar goes in there.

Anonymous

Did you really need the hear this assessment from the "astute gentleman on a business show"? Heck, I'm barely smarter than my dog and I had that figured out. Identifying an obvious problem means nothing. Give me a real solution that does not consist of "stimulus" packages to further promulgate the consumer dynamics to our economy. Give me PRODUCTION solutions from the SUPPLY SIDE, not the demand side. Now, please excuse me while I go pee on a tree.

Anonymous

Another marxist has been exposed. Limiting my purchasing power so as I can help my comrade keep his job. I need more wodka!!

Anonymous

The assumption you have made that the economy is a mess,comes from the DNC and the main stream media. It is the first thing all the loonies on the left keep bringing up. The GNP grew last quarter albeit small, it still grew and ignored by the drive by media.How can it be that we have so many boating accidents this year why with the high price of gas and this recession fueled by the democratic party and the drive bys, no boats should be on the lake at all! I work on pib and for the past month the marinas have been very profitable. In fact Christmas in July was the biggest money maker ever for most establishments,in a recession? The only people hurting are the democratic base, those people on entitlements(welfare for those of you in the hood) The people working hard for their money are not affected judging by the amount of boats on the lake with the soooo high price of gas. Please espouse you leftist view to someone who cares, I don't

cm.sandusky

i agree with you ferd burley.. the mainstream media is, well the are evil in my eyes. just listening to them makes some people question their own outlook. they don't actually check statistics, they will buy into whatever the media tells them they should believe it.
just check out the news. when things were bad in Irac, all you saw was negative. now that things are turning around....well, just how much news is devoted to Irac anymore. it's not like the news is going to show you anything positive. it doesn't sell.
so, now they are turning the page and concentrating on the economy.
now, i'm not saying everything is great, but it's not as bad as they want to to believe.
as for buying "American Made"
well,...where??? we are not the only country with this problem. go to europe, try finding something made in Germany, it's just as hard. this is a global problem.

Anonymous

Look at this pathetic leftist paper's world news source the AP,who knowingly edited pictures in Iraq to support their leftist liberal belief that the United States of America is bad. We have to blend in with the world community. Yet our military has liberated more oppressed people than any other civilization that has ever been on this earth. AP stinks and I'm proud to be an american

cm.sandusky

i'm also proud to be an american (by choice). this is the greatest country in the world.
i'm neither a lefty or righty. i'm proud to call myself an independent. there is no way that i can 100% agree with one or the other side. first of all, no matter what "never trust a politican" although i agree they all (well, i should say "most") started with good intend, the greed of wanting the power, and i'm not only talking about he top-job, changed them somewhere in their path.
we, as taxpaying citizens should be outraged that our leaders took a five week break, paid for by us. we should be outraged that 77 or 78% of our citizens want drilling, and they can't even get the vote going...i'm for one outraged..
we are the greatest nation on earth. there is room to do it ALL. why argue about which is better.
sorry sue, i kind of highjaked your blog.
united we stand, devided we fall...!!

Anonymous

ferd burley here, am I sir to assume that it was only in the past seventy years that americans bought anything? So from 1776 to 1930 our economy was non existent? Nobody bought anything, the years that developed us into a great country was based on smoke and mirrors? Is the keynesian principle based on the Kinsey report. Me thinks the left intelligencia smoke crack

Anonymous

Being that a high percentage of residents of this county are on entitlements(welfare) they can't afford local restaurants, they hang on to the one dollar big mac. They have no hope of raises un till they try to elect B. Hussein Obama

Anonymous

gotta love this fresh off the drudge report. Obama blaming our energy crisis on Cheney sounds like a Hufftard,Nancy pelosi telling democrats involved in tight races that they support drilling offshore and elsewhere, and finally John Mccains statement at Sturgis that he would rather hear the roar of 50 thousand harleys than 100,ooo berliners slamming B. Huusein's europe trip. Gotta love it!

Anonymous

I agree with the majority. I use professional blogs quite often, and none of us use our real names. If we want to expose ourselves to certain blogs (which I have done with other professionals), we will create a new e-mail account through Yahoo or another service and provide our e-mail address in order to communicate outside of the blog. If professionals are not willing to put their names out to the general public on professional blogs that might actually help them in their career, why would they place their personal information in a blog in this small of a town? I am surprised that Ms. Daugherty would even suggest such a thing. It may not have much to do with the fact many of us want to hurt or insult others, but rather maintain our family’s privacy in this town.

Quite frankly, if we want to open our personal lives, homes and professional lives to the general public, we would start our own blog where we would identify ourselves. I can assure you, those who indicated that everyone should use their real names in blogs (any blog), don’t use their real names. Using a stealth name in blogging isn’t what is uncouth; rather it’s the unintelligent posts and tactless words which are used that are the issue. This feels like we are being scolded in high school for writing a note that we didn’t want to sign. This is child’s play Ms. Daugherty. Simply challenge people’s thoughts and intelligence through your blog. That is what it’s about. If you feel the need to get to know the people who participate in your blog, host a gathering at the library or another location where everyone can meet face to face.

Anonymous

From one extreme to the other? I too care about my job & product we make. I also care more about my family though - call me selfish.

Anonymous

(Don't say my name to fast). Sue believe it or not we were taught to always try to buy American. Sometimes a value costs more, but buys you back in the long run, tools, equipment, dwellings, etc.

Anonymous

sorry , "but pays you back"

Anonymous

First of all, I think that the "real names" idea is wonderful. If there was a rule that you had to identify yourself by your real name in order to comment, there would be less angry bloggers. But however, in the wonderful world of anonymity, angry people can leave comments without true judgement of their character because no one knows exactly who they are.

The sad side of free speech. People often take adventage of it.

On your actual blog, however, I do believe that if there was a mass effort to help the economy by changing our consumer habits, it would do a lot of good.

Saddly, people are more concerned with convenience of low prices then their fellow man (or woman ^_^).

It's human nature. Along the lines of 'Survival of the fittest.' To look after one's self.

I do believe that this economy is in need of help, and only the people who are willing to make a difference, actually will.

Anonymous

This blog really stinks too.

Anonymous

I agree that the economic hardship is mostly media driven at this point. Your suggestion that we should buy the more expensive product to help our neighbor is absurd, im afraid that it doesnt work that way.
The main reason that the United States has been and always will be the leader of the free world is the capatilistic economy. As an American we all have the oppurtunity to achieve greatness. You have to be willing to work for it. All too often people reach for a handout and when it comes they get a taste of laziness and never feel the need to earn again.
So the next time that socialist Barry HUISSEIN Obama says his idea for solving the country's problems is more social programs or government regulation remember this post when the economy is actually in a recession and the country truly becomes in debt because of nationalized health care and the level of care you receive is drastically reduced. Its time to wake up and get educated about this election, there is too much at stake. Throwing away your vote because Obama is a democrat or just because he is black is the most reckless thing a person can do.

Anonymous

no thanks to real names.

i made up this one and some wierdo hijacked it. there are dangerous people hiding out there in lala land.

Anonymous

I had to think about this again. What would happened if someone hijacked my name? It might be better to just publish the IP address along with the comment. But even publishing the IP address is not a sure-fire thing. Dynamic IP addresses can keep changing and people with those proxy IP addresses will use fake IP addresses. Excuse while I find some different sunglasses. Does anybody know where I can find those over-sized, clown sunglasses that you can find at a flea market or on ebay?

Anonymous

That one sentence should say "Excuse me while I find some different sunglasses."

Anonymous

Pseudonyms have an honored tradition in U.S. political thought.

Writing in newspapers, supporters of certain provisions of the yet-to-be-ratified Constitution like Alexander Hamilton chose the name Publius. Other writers selected the names: Brutus, Philo-Publius and Cato.

There ain’t nothin’ wrong with using a good username (pseudonym). Even our nation’s Founding Fathers practiced it.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fed...

To Real Name: You are smarter than your doggie. You got the drift of my argument. We agree. Trying to lead, not preach. NOW how to put supply-side into practice in the U.S. without getting lynched by the masses???

Anonymous

ok...

sam.

Anonymous

Real name is Michael. ok ?

Anonymous

How's are little socialist Sue today

Anonymous

Americans can not afford to buy strictly American. Do you realize how much it would cost to get by? If you work at one of our many service industries, say McDonald's or Kalahari, when you go to buy a new sofa for example, will you be able to afford to shop at Herman's? No. You will have to go to Value City or Big Lots. Same for clothing. Have you ever priced clothing made in America? The prices are so high, you get a fraction of the amount for the money ie. one pair of jeans as compared to 4 made out of this country. The list of examples is endless. I don't want to say unions are the sole problem, but a large part of it. Nothing can be made here for a reasonable price when you have to pay someone an outrageous wage to do it. As for socialized health care, people on assistance have a sense of entitlement. Not all, but most. They go to the doctor or emergency room for a hangnail or a sniffle because it doesn't cost them anything. When you have to pay for something, you use it a lot more sparingly and responsibly. I am not going to use my real name for the same reason as most people who post here. Wackos who don't like what I have to say could retaliate.

Rick Studer

To “seymour butts”, formerly known as “Needs more Brain Cells”

" How's are little socialist Sue today "

Seymour, shouldn’t this read " How's “our” little socialist Sue today "?

Why don’t you impress us all and explain what socialism is in your own words, and don’t do a cut and paste. Hey, what’s the difference between socialism and communism?

To “Re Sues Blog”

You’re priceless…

Let me help you, get a picture of you’re a$$ , and a hole in the ground and label them. Always carry these with you, whenever you’re confused, pull them out and look at them.

Anonymous

Dollar Tree has the clown sunglasses but don't you think they might be a little small for ya?

Anonymous

They used to hae those giant sunglasses at the gift shop at Cedar Point.

Anonymous

They used to have those giant sunglasses at the gift shop at Cedar Point.

Anonymous

correct spelling
Barack Hussein Obama

Anonymous

Why on Earth would anyone use their real name on this blog when there are folks out there who will do whatever is needed to find out any and everything a person has done in his or her lifetime? "Its all public record right"?

Even people who post positive comments get dragged though the mud when someone with nothing better to do pulls up their past and throws it in their face for all to see.

Maybe if the Register had stricter control over these blogs, then people wouldn't find it necessary to conceal their identity?

Rick Studer

Well... I guess you can't say a.. on the Internet either...

You have to get dirty if you want to wrestle with pigs...

William Jeffers...

Sue, I think it is a great idea to use your real name on these blogs and I've done just that and I encourage everyone else to do the same.

Anonymous

Bill, I told you no internet after that last porno stint. Why are you talking to this woman and didn't secret service tell you not to use your real name? Now I'm cuttin you off for another decade.

Anonymous

Ever since I invented the internet I thought maybe it might get abused. I am ashamed that I didn't put in safeguards requiring people to disclose exactly who they are just like Sue points out.

Anonymous

The postings at 9:12, 9:16, and 9:19 all originated from the same IP address. It took me awhile, but I was able to trace it back to a computer in Crawford, Texas.

Anonymous

I admit it. They were all from me.

Gulliver

This has been great participation!!! Why/how bloggers will blog seems to be a popular topic. The response to this blog has been very interesting and largely respectful. Not only is it interesting in terms of exchanging views on economics, but the sociology of the interaction is fascinating.
While reading the comments, here is what I observed (this is not being stated as a fact – simply observations):

There are a lot of feelings associated with asking people to use their real names. One person felt scolded. So let me clear the air on that one… This was just a request – nothing more. It doesn’t make anyone a bad person for refusing; nor does it make anyone a good person for doing. It was simply a one time request to experiment with the notion that bloggers would comment differently if they had to own the words they post.

Others were angry over the request being made. Some name calling ensued in response to the request.

The other interesting thing is the amount of fear expressed with being asked to put the real name with the comment. The fear was palpable!! If the blog was controversial – ie, abortion, it would be easy to understand. But this blog is a “What if" question… and it's about consumer spending & consumer choice.

But for the most part it has been encouraging to read how respectful the majority of the responses are, while still expressing their disagreements or counter points. Now that makes for some great blogging!! ...And it isn't requiring the use of real names. So much for that hypothesis! -- Sue

Anonymous

What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;

- Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet

Anonymous

I would have to say, We are at fault for wanting cheap goods.. But the person most at fault is the VP, CEO, and board members of most American Company's.. The business of kicking the common worker down and keeping him down while the VP, CEO, and such make crazy millions a year in salary and bonuses while they pay the average hourly employee 6.50 an hr.... If the said American Company would learn that their company would not be a company without the Common American worker, then maybe I might reward that company buy purchasing their product.. And reward that worker for his years of loyal service instead of finding a new loophole to fire him 2 years away from retirement. The practice of charging $1,000 for something that costs $100.00 to make is why America looks for cheap goods.. Are we not learning anything from Ford or GM ??? There are 20 people trying to get rich from that 1 car or truck/SUV they are trying to sell.. Most American goods are made from the cheapest material or parts they kind find and then marked up as high possible without starting a riot.. That is what has driven the American consumer away from American goods... DO not get me wrong, I am all for getting rich just as much as the next guy or woman...But its how they are getting rich.. And I see more and more of American Company's screwing the American consumer over until they get caught.... So lets examine a Company that does reward it's workers... Murphy Oil Co.. The little gas stations outside of Wal-Mart, They are based out of El Dorado Ark.. They pay well and offer good benefit's , they reward the people of that town by sending any child that goes all 4 years of high school there with a paid for Collage Education.. The VP, CEO make good money, but not crazy mad money... I reward that company buy always filling my cars up at their Gas Stations... Show me another Company like Murphy Oil Co, And I will be more than happy to start shopping there.... So I ask you this America, Am I wrong in my perceptions of American Company's ? Or do you agree with me.. And yes Ed Pannell is my real name... Born at Bellevue Hospital...

Anonymous

Hummmmm your points are well made... One of the best comments on here..

Gulliver

TO Ed PANNELLL, Thank you for your mindful, thought provoking comments. It will make for some interesting reading should anyone make any counter-points. Glad you decided to participate! -- Sue

Anonymous

I thought Ed Pannell's blog stunk.

concerned

With all the lead paint being shiped in during the Christmas season, I tried to find toys not made in China. Unfortunitly, if I decided to pursue that, my children would have had only crayons. I went to several store and only hand crafted wooden toys or crayons were to be found. That is was is left. I don't know, but I think my children would have been pretty disappointed.

concerned

Sorry about the mispelled words. First blog posting. Got a little nervous.

Anonymous

Make no mistake; Chinese quality will continue to improve.

U.S manufactured consumer goods also have a long and storied history regarding product safety and quality.

The label 'Made in Japan,' was once synonymous with 'cheap.' Now we tend to think of their products as high quality.

The Chinese understand very well that an economy built on low-cost items is not sustainable. They are continually moving into higher tech items like computers and aerospace. In Nov. 2007, they placed a satellite into lunar orbit and have plans for an eventual manned landing.

The U.S. era of high-pay, low-skilled manufacturing jobs is dead – never to return. We have become a service economy, which in many cases is low skilled, but also unfortunately low-wage.

To ask low skilled, high-pay manufacturing to return would be akin to asking U.S. citizens to return to the farm to grow crops. It ain’t gonna happen.

I helped pay my way through college by working in factories (American Crayon for one). I tend to believe that the majority of people and politicians who talks about how ‘great’ manufacturing jobs are have never worked in one.

Mr. Pannell: With all due respect, how many ‘greedy, rich’ heads of companies do you personally know, or is your largely straw man argument only based on media and Hollywood bias?

concerned: Write comments on Word and run through spell check. Then copy and paste. It's not 100% but it helps.

Anonymous

Real Name.. I work for one of them right now.. Its not a media contribution where I get my information.. I live it everyday...

Anonymous

You can also download a free Google toolbar that lets you spellcheck. (the green checkmark).
Here is where:
http://toolbar.google.com/T4/ind...

Anonymous

Yes I would change my purchasing habits if it means that my neighbor is working. This would put many out of work citizens back into the swing of things and possibly save this economy of ours from total destruction.

Anonymous

The CEO's and other high ranking officers of companys do get paid way to much. They are not the only reason for the high costs of items. The stock holders, which most are already rich, are to blame also. They keep the pressure on the CEO's to produce and make more money for them and if not they are replaced. When unions see in the media that, for example, the oil companys made 1 billion profit in the last quarter they turn around and say, why can't we have some of this. The stockholders and CEO's then want to keep their profit margin as high as possible will raise the price of the goods to the consumer. It is a constant circle that will only be broken when workers and company officials and stockholders realize they have enough, how much is to much. When the companies do not share then the worker has to increase his take of income by buying cheaper. Thus starts the slow downturn. I try to buy American whenever I can, I have found that the cheaper products made elsewhere is far inferior in quality then the American made one, however, I could buy two to three times the same product by buying foreign made items. Greed seems to be the bottom line. You all know that these athletes that play football, baseball or any other well known game are not worth what they are getting paid, but you still buy their products, go to the games they are playing in, buy the expensive pop or hotdog or beer. If the American consumer would just say enough is enough, we might be able to get control of the American way of life.

Anonymous

Nightstalker:

'The stock holders, which most are already rich...'

Ya need to get your facts straight.

The vast majority of the equities and fixed assets of public cos. are held by public and private pension funds for the benefit of their employees. A minority of the assets are in IRAs and other tax favorable vehicles owned by individuals.

If you are part of a retirement plan at work, you own some of these assets and are in your words, 'rich.'

I wish to God that they'd start teaching personal finance in schools and perhaps begin to dispel some of this economic and financial ignorance!

The whiners cry like they live in Somalia instead of the wealthiest, freest country in the world.

Ain't it great to live in America?

Anonymous

Contrary to what you want to believe, the greatest amount of stocks held are by people that are in truth already wealthy. While there are more individual stock holders that are not wealthy, the greatest percentage of stock is held by the wealthy. The paltry amount of shares held by individuals pales in comparision to the high percentage held by the wealthy. When you are talking about thousands of shares, they are talking about millions of shares. When someone holds 49% of a company stock and the other 51% is held by countless individuals, the 49% holder owns far more shares then any one of the other 51% do. That is the facts.

Anonymous

Wanna go out sometime hunny?

Anonymous

Re Real Name: Unfortunately you’re wrong.

Institutional investors, i.e. pension plans both private and public own approx. 90% of publicly held stocks and bonds. Individuals own the remaining 10%.

More than fifty percent of U.S. households own stocks mostly through byway of mutual funds in their 401(k)s and IRAs.

What's your definition of wealthy?

The wealthiest man in the world, Warren Buffett made his money, investing in stocks and bonds. Go and do likewise.

Anonymous

It's very simple. Give people jobs that are reliable and they'll spend money. Trouble is, the jobs are gone and no one (government) seems to care. Their buddies (big business) are all making money so why rock the boat? They can give 100 stimulas checks but that doesn't give anyone a steady reliable income. American doesn't belong to us anymore. Little by little, we allowed it to be given away or sold off. That's another pet peeve of mine. Not one pebble of earth should be sold to anyone who is NOT a citizen of this country. I truly believe we are beyond the point of no return. Somewhere along the line, we were sold out by our own government for the sake of money in someone else's pocket. Neither Dems or Republicans can fix it, yet they'll give all their fancy speeches and we'll put one of them in just to be grossly dissapointed once again. I think the people need to take a stand (in the streets if necessary) to take our country back and own it again. At this rate, we're headed for no where and our politicians are spearheading the race. And Sue, show me where the American products are, and I'll gladly buy them. Your plea to buy American is too little, too late.

Anonymous

you are wrong, wealth isn't measured in dollars. money is only a tool. yes we all need some but how much? can you purchase good health with it? how about a good marriage, or contentment? those who get caught up in money seem to be so miserable.

Anonymous

i think your oppinion sounds somewhat reasonable, but i also have to agree with some of the others below on certain points that they have addressed.

Anonymous

This s*cks. I like that young chick better.

Anonymous

I think it's totally awesome that Sue is essentially quoting me when she suggests we all buy American so our neighbors can have jobs, and that we settle for less so that we can afford to pay more! "From each according to his ability to each according to his needs" indeed!

Maybe we'd all have more money to spend if Sue, and people like her, would stop greedily gulping our tax dollars! Maybe I'd be more inclined to buy more (American-made and otherwise) if I had something left over after all of the levies have bloated my property taxes beyond my capacity to afford!

Re: Nameless, the government can't create jobs. It can only make it hard(er) for private industry to create jobs by over-regulating, over-taxing, and requiring overwhelming contributions to its own machinations. If you really want more jobs, get government the hell out of the picture.

Re: reREAL NAme, no, money isn't everything. But try to survive without it! We may all have to if Sue gets her way...

Anonymous

For the most part these blogs serve two purposes, 1 to slam people and the residents in perkins and sandusky and 2 to make a complete fool out of your self. We have kids and very immature parents that post on fandy and are anything but polite and respectful on what they post. The blogs i read about in the local area whether it be about mclung out or a kkk prank, its makes me embarassed to be from sandusky. I will admit i have written some dumbs things but i always come back with an apology for it. I wont lie though i speak my mind and i wont back down from anyone or anything on what i believe it i think bloggers should have to state there real name and anyone that doesnt there comment will be deleted, i can look at my self in the mirror and say i am ok with what i said but i think for most they would have a hard time even getting to that mirror, one more thing GO PIRATES!!!!!!!

Anonymous

Are economy stinks because we have a president that wants to fight wars that are not even are problem, spending billions of dollars on it to support a war that is very uneeded which i might also mention is only increasing are national debt, we could be spending a fraction of those war costs and be putting it into healthcare, schools and anything that ARE country needs not some other country, i am all for helping out third world nations but we have homeless on are own soil, we have kids who cant go to doctors and cant get a good meal. This country is going to go down the crap whole and ill sit back and watch it, i work at UPS and right now i would say the average columbusian has a high school education level of 10th grade, its horrible the things i see on a day by day account. They say vote, why voting only gives men and women who already have an agenda on what they need to do, not what we need to do, i always joke around and say there will be another american revolution and well that seems to becoming more and more true as the years go by. I dont trust any one that says one thing and does another as of right now that is about 90% of are elected offiers in congress and throughtout the usa. They say this is the land of oppurtunity, my butt if you dont know someone or have some money you are goin to being lower middle class, unless you are that small 3% that we make movies about, how you came from the slums and made something out of your self, i got news for people this is the real world not a disney movie. Things need to change before this country changes for the worst. CEO's, VP's i would like to say if you ever take the time to read alittle town blogs, thanks for making it impossible for americans to get a peice of what was promoted since the early 1800's/

Anonymous

I would vote for you in a heart beat!

When I see the US Government buy Japanese outboards for their boats, my tax dollars, I know who won the war, and who is winning the peace..........

Anonymous

People seem to blame many things on President Bush and Obama tells us we should vote for change.

In the year 2006 President Bush was in office for 6 years and consumer confidence was very high, gasoline was selling for $2.19 per gallon, unemployment was under 5%, interest rates were O.K. and inflation was very low. The major news media was telling people that things were bad so the people did vote for change at that time and elected a congress controlled by the democrats and I am wondering if the people were satisfied with the change that they still want more.

Mr. Obama advised he will tax the windfall profits of the oil companies and his people feel it is a good idea and I am wondering if they will still feel it is a good idea when they wake up to find out that we will be paying the increased taxes at the pump.

Also people do some investigating and figure out more about the "windfall profits" of the oil companies and check the percent of profit compared to the gross sales and also the percent of profit compared to the money the oil companies have invested and then do the same with other large companies and you will see that their profits and not as great as you are lead to believe.

Mr. Obama also advises he will take tax breaks away from companies that have a portion of their operations off shore and although it does sound good prior to thinking about it I do wonder if it would give the companies more of an incentive to bring more jobs back to this country or to send more jobs off shore.

Many people feel that the large corporations should be taxed more so that the government can offer more programs to the lower income persons. If you stop to think about it the large corporations do not really pay the taxes as the tax money is considered an expense to them and is just added into the cost of their service or product thus what they are doing is just collecting the tax monies from the consumer and transferring it to the government. The government will then send a percentage of the money back to the people so what we are receiving from the government is our own money that was collected in the form of taxes minus the administrative expenses of the government.

Anonymous

RE: John Mavros wrote on Aug 9, 2008 10:54 PM:

FYI:
The US is broke.
We are borrowing money from China and Japan to send out a stimulus check.
We are spending ten billion a month of borrowed money in Iraq.
Who is going to pay this debt?

A McCain commercial won't pay the money we owe..........

Anonymous

This blog is horrible. I can't believe I am commenting giving Sue another comment to possibly make this blog go higher on the most commented list.

Anonymous

Many know how to obtain IP#'s. It isn't that difficult. Why all the clamor about real names - unhh.

Anonymous

Jim Toth Marblehead OH :

If you believe what you wrote in your 11:22 PM post then you KNOW the answer -

Higher taxes for everyone and anyone that can pay, and a lower standard of living for all Americans because as a nation and a people, we have been and are currently living beyond our means.

Heck, if sixty-six percent of the American adult population being overweight and half of them being obese ain't a sign of excess (and prosperity) what is?

Anonymous

First, I agree completely with my brother Karl's post.

Probably the first part to any solution is to CUT GOVERNEMENT WASTE! Go to www.cagw.org to enlighten and enrage yourself.

Anonymous

I do agree that the trade in balance is not good for this country.

The value of the dollar at this time though is a positive thing for foreign trade as it does actually make us more competitive and we are able to sell our goods to foreign countries. At this time we are exporting more goods.

We have been hearing lately that this country has more oil than originally thought and by drilling for more oil in this country it would create more jobs, generate more tax income and reduce the amount of money leaving this country. It would also benefit our national security.

Many politicians feel we should ask the middle east to increase their out put so as to lower the price per barrel however they do not wish to drill here. So we send much of our oil money abroad giving them the income and creating more jobs for them.

The alternative sources are something we should be working on however if we do wait for them our auto industry may be gone .

I have not seen or heard of an actual fact that man is causing global warming although I have heard of some scientist that have first proclaimed it was true are now having second thoughts. Many of the scientist that still proclaim man made global warming are paid via grants and other monies from the government and if they did not have global warming to hang their hat on it might be necessary for them to find employment elsewhere.

So I do say that at least for the short term lets drill here and keep our money here while creating new jobs.

Anonymous

You say the government does not create jobs. Well, that may be true, but they can create an economical climate that would draw industry to produce from their own homeland. Clinton might have signed NAFTA, but Bush could have reversed it and never considered doing it. Why would he? He and his buds have made a killing in this country since they gave him the power. Say it any way you want to, but the government IS involved with citizens having dependable jobs and I doubt anyone will change that now. Big business runs this country, not Dems or Republicans. And big business will get bigger and bigger so we're out of luck. Thank you politians for all of your help. They (big business) couldn't have done it without you.

Anonymous

I just ran across this.
China has the money, they get the oil.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nati...

Anonymous

Just what have the oil companies invested in? It sure isn't new refineries. They haven't made any moves at all that would benefit anyone but themselves. When US Oil is priced the same as Eastern Oil to the Americans, pardon me for taking offense. They are making billions quarterly, are taking food off of American's tables by allowing this ridiculous amount per gallon prevail and aren't doing a thing to change it. When you have that much money, and hurt millions of people so you can be richer, I think
it's a sin against fellow human beings.

Anonymous

is like the Bushes - they all smell.

Anonymous

I only keep coming back because I think she is the hottest reporter at the SR. Well, the hottest besides Westerhold.

Anonymous

There's no question that we need more refineries and newer refineries, but don't blame big oil for their "failure" to build. Unfortunately, refineries require government permission, and the government hasn't been granting it. Same goes for one of the cleanest (and safest) power sources available, nuclear. Hasn't been a new nuclear plant built in forever, either, because the government won't allow it.

In fairness to the government (I can't believe I just said that), its refusal is all too often based on the clamor of people who WANT these things, but "not in MY backyard!"

By its very definition, democracy means the people get the government they deserve. And as H.L. Mencken added, they deserve to get it good and hard. Looks like we are.

Anonymous

Everyday on the news we hear about people going on my space or some other web site and giving out to much info on themselves.
Now we have Sue telling us to get on here and give our real name.
Okay so anyone that wants to go off on Sue can google here home phone number and if you want to pay a little fee you can get her cell phone also. This will make it easy to go off on her 24 hours a day. She doesn't mind being woke up.
Also you can go to erieiview.com and see where she lives and a picture of her house and how much taxes she pays.
Then you can go to a home show at the mall and put her name and address and phone nr. on all kinds of businesses running drawing which she won't win but they will send her junk mail for the next few years.
This is just a start so keep those real names a coming and if I don't like your comment I will give you a call when I get off work at midnight.

Anonymous

So what's the reasoning behind the government not allowing the oil companies to build refineries. Please don't try to convince me it's because the people don't want it. I've never seen an administration who could care less what the people wanted and I've seen 7 administrations that I could be counted in as a voting citizen.

Anonymous

with all these changes how are we to see the daily log

Anonymous

The reasoning behind the government not permitting new refineries is usually couched in environmental terms. That's true whether or not improved technology actually represents any kind of appreciable risk(s).

The federal government isn't as much in charge of these issues (although the Nuclear Regulatory Commission is a federal agency) as are state governments. The best example of the failure to increase infrastructure (and then crying about it) is California.

But if you want to look at something closer to home, consider our local dump. Erie County Commissioners actually used their heads for once and talked about selling methane (a natural byproduct of decay), and some local folks went NUTS to avoid that happening. Let's see: Capture the gas that none of us really want. Sell it so that landfill costs can stay down and maybe we can even make a few extra bucks. And protest it all the way. Sheesh!

Anonymous

What Ms. Daugherty suggests is neither feasible nor wise under current conditions:

1. While items themselves must be marked by country of origin, neither catalogs nor websites are currently required to carry this information.

2. Many items are simply not made in the US. The last American TV manufacturer, for example, folded in the 1980's.

3. Her plan would give identical treatment to Canada, one of our closest allies, China, a totalitarian state with an abysmal human-rights record, and Russia, which appears to be making an honest effort to overcome its own totalitarian past and become a true democracy.

I say give consumers full and accurate information and let *us* decide who we want to do business with.

Anonymous

Sue Just wanted to let you know I am still driving the Escort. It has 220,000 miles on it. Not so pretty since I tangled with a deer last winter, still going. Faith and Norb's, I call him Mr. Majic, keep me on the road. You were a blessing when I bought it, and I wanted you to know.
I try to buy American, and often do without when unable to. It is difficult on a limited buget.

Anonymous

"I say give consumers full and accurate information and let *us* decide who we want to do business with. "

I agree completely, Andrew. The problem is that some people are too stupid to make a good decision, even with all of the pertinent information at hand. While I believe that sort of thing is best solved in the school of hard knocks, the GOVERNMENT believes two different things:

1. EVERYbody is too stupid to make a good decision, and

2. therefore the government must decide for us all.

There's not a problem in this city, county, state, or country that couldn't be solved with the across-the-board application of two things:

1. Personal responsibility, and

2. the Free Market

Without a problem, Sue and people like her would lose all purpose to their existence (the fact that much of the government would also go away is icing on the cake). Solving the problem is a threat, and for that reason alone will never really happen.

Anonymous

hi sue, how have you been? yes i agree we are entitled to our opinions,buthave the cajones to use your name. i use my real name on all,not my last name since i have my opinion that there are a large group of people here and on the reflector blogs taht are mental midget's.and some times the truth may hurt when expressing opinion that some of these may try and take it a step further if they know who you are. well ive said enough,btw great rthings you have been doing with the senior's in our area. take care

Anonymous

Wow! I have read every blog up to my own. What an array of opinions and expressions!I realize my opinion is just that, an opinion. It may matter to none,one, or some.
The point of expressing an opinion is to find out if someone else agrees or disagrees with our own. It's always important to know that, I'm not the only one & what I think actually could matter or make a difference. For this reason I don't mind giving my real name. If my opinion could matter or make a difference, then I most certainly want to take responsibility or rather credit for it.
With that said, and this is MY opinion, those who were offended or bothered by the fact that Sue even suggested such a thing as to give your real name and didn't, that of course is your choice; but a true sign of adult maturity is taking responsibility for what we say, good, bad, or indifferent.
Like Sue herself said, it was an experiment, it was a request, not a demand.
Personal attacks against Sue or anyone else who has said something that is disagreeable to our own opinions,in my opinion, is not an adult mature way to respond. Grow up!

Now to the real root of the blog: To reiterate the question: So what do you think? Would you change your consumer habits to change our economy for the better?
Although I am not that up on politics or the economy, I know enough to form an intelligent opinion. And my opinion is this; I agree with John Mavros. His opinions are intelligent, articulate, knowledgable, and well thought out. I could not have said it better.
Kudos to John and Sue!

Anonymous

Sue is suppose to help our seniors from fraud, and one of the biggest scams is people getting to know a little about the person and then coning them over the phone out of there life saving. Sue was doing a great job a year ago but now she seems to becoming more of a politician. Seems to me it should be one or the other because I'm getting older everyday and hopefully someone who has there heart into there job will be working for SOS.

Anonymous

When I google your name it comes up with classmate.com and gives all sort of info on you and even a picture.
But this is probably another Ellyn Clark from Norwalk High. "Later Jim S."