Who (other than FirstEnergy) understands the inner workings of the Ohio Edison Electric rate hikes?

Sue Daugherty
Mar 23, 2010

Well, I went to the forum that the Ohio Consumer's Counsel (OCC) held in Sandusky on September 23. Its purpose was to educate electric customers on what the rate hike (Senate Bill 221) is about. The theory being that once the customers understood the new law (SB 221) they could then understand Ohio Edison's rate hikes and voice their support or opposition. (Electric rates are scheduled to increase in 2009, 2010 and 2011. Then in 2012 they file for another re-rating.)

For me, the OCC provoked questions that need to be answered by FirstEnergy before a customer could know whether or not to support the hike in electric rates. Here's what I took away from the OCC's forum/meeting and from doing a little research of my own. Also, I spoke with Dave Rinebolt, attorney and director of Ohio Partners for Affordable Energy and Mark Durbin, Senior Public Relations Representative for FirstEnergy.

According to the OCC, First Energy's net income in 2007 was $1.31 billion. Over three years consumer rates would increase an "average" of $2.04/month in 2009, $3.06/month in 2010 and $5.22/month in 2011. (This is based on consuming 750 kwh/month.) No estimate was given for the "average" cost increase for a home that is ALL electric.

If you're like me, you are probably breathing a sigh of relief when you read those dollar amounts. But don't! The devil is in the details. The rest of the story is, the "average" household numbers don't reflect the house that is all electric. All electric homes will cost much more, but no one can tell me how much more. Until the customer gets an answer to that question how can he/she support or oppose this rate hike? If you owned an all electric home, wouldn't you like to know that answer?

The other devilish detail that deserves more explanation is this "deferring costs" to supposedly help the customer. All that means is that the rate hike that customers are going to experience in 2009, 2010 and 2011 aren't the real costs. It appears as though FirstEnergy gets to put off charging the customer the real costs and recoup them later. With a net income in 2007 of $1.31 billion, I can only believe that this is a lucrative business decision on the part of FirstEnergy.

At first listen, "deferring" a hike in rates sounds real good. Is sounds like FirstEnergy is concerned about the customer's well-being and is trying to mitigate the financial burden, as best as possible. What we aren't being told is the costs FirstEnergy is not recouping today will be recouped in their next "Electric Security Plan" for 2012. What will that cost the customer? Until we know the answers to all of these questions in clear and certain terms, citizens should be applying severe pressure to refuse the proposed increase in electric rates.

Write to the PUCO at 180 E. Broad Street, Columbus, Ohio 43215. While you are at it, write to our governor, who appoints commissioners to serve on the PUCO, The Governor's Office, Riffe Center, 30th Floor, 77 South High Street, Columbus, OH 43215-6108.

Comments

Anonymous

Where is Sen.H.Metezembaum? He made sur e these guys were on the up & up.

Kramer

If only I could do them like I did the cable guy.

Anonymous

The late Sen. Howard Metzenbaum fled to Florida in order to escape Ohio's high personal and estate tax rates. Florida has neither a personal income tax nor an estate tax.

Like all rich hypocritical socialists, when it came to his own personal wealth, he chose less taxation.

The current credit crunch is making borrowing costs more expensive for utilities. Look for consumer fees to increase as a result.

Anonymous

Compared to the rates at which pretty much everything else (gas/food/etc.) is going up I would say this is pretty reasonable. Electricity is a necessity, you're going to have to deal with it.

Anonymous

Seems a logical alternative. What would it take for surrounding counties to bundle together and offer consumer owned cooperative electric? People I've spoken with in the past tell me their bills/rates are much less than public companies are charging. Maybe now is the time for local officials to persue, or at least, investigate this. It could be one of the best investments for the now and the future.

Anonymous

America has been hyjacked by the private banks. It does not matter if obama and or macain is in office "If ur made to pick the lesser of two evils, ur still picking evil."
Remember people the difference bewteen the two (dem & rep) is just the name. The ones that control them is the federal reserve "there is nothing federal about the reserve it is made up of four private banks (google)" and now the coorprations (corporatism). Listen people u are all in a world of trouble if u don't wake up and start reacting, reading, stand up for ur rights, and to start learning to what is really going on in american. If you want the truth I have plenty of all u have to do is ask. There is free energy but the goverment wont let us have it.

thereandback08@hotmail.com
kritter "

Anonymous

Some Reasons for Free Energy Suppression..

1) The strong oil lobby has throughout recent history suppressed high mileage carburetors through violent threats or rigid mandates. Their tremendous investments in oil fields, refineries and distribution systems wields a big stick against free energy, "Free Energy" systems. (They have to be informed, and it will take tens of years to implement this technology.
..
) They can be a major player in this revolution..

2) As Einstein stated, "Great ideas often receive violent opposition from mediocre minds.
..

" Egos of competing companies, or establishment views that this technology is a hoax or preposterous can also create these violent oppositions..

3) People in power (academic, political, technological, or business) do not like revolutionary changes which might threaten their position or standing..

They don't want to lose that control..

Anonymous

In the late 1880s, trade journals in the electrical sciences were predicting "free electricity" in the near future. Incredible discoveries about the nature of electricity were becoming commonplace. Nikola Tesla was demonstrating "wireless lighting" and other wonders associated with high frequency currents.
There was an excitement about the future like never before..
Within 20 years, there would be automobiles, airplanes, movies, recorded music, telephones, radio, and practical cameras. The Victorian Age was giving way to something totally new.
For the first time in history, common people were encouraged to envision a utopian future, filled with abundant modern transportation and communication, as well as jobs, housing, and food for everyone..
Disease would be conquered, and so would poverty.
Life was getting better, and this time, everyone was going to get "a piece of the pie..
So, what happened?..
In the midst of this technological explosion, where did the energy breakthroughs go? Was this excitement about "free electricity," which happened just before the beginning of the last century, all just wishful thinking that "real science" eventually disproved?..

Current State of Technology..

Actually, the answer to that question is no. In fact, the opposite is true.
Spectacular energy technologies were developed right along with the other breakthroughs..
Since that time, multiple methods for producing vast amounts of energy at extremely low cost have been developed. But none of these technologies has made it to the "open" consumer market as an article of commerce.
Exactly why this is true will be discussed shortly..
But first, I would like to describe to you a short list of "free energy" technologies that I am currently aware of, and that are proven beyond all reasonable doubt..

The common feature connecting all of these discoveries is that they use a small amount of one form of energy to control or release a large amount of a different kind of energy.
Many of them, in some way, tap the underlying ether field: a source of energy conveniently ignored by "modern" science..

Anonymous

including the head blogger sound like a bunch of whining and sniveling socialist or communists pigs. Did you ever think that these companies have to make huge investments in infratstructure so that you dimwits can turn on your light bulbs? I wish somebody at the SR would stop this person and her driveling pontifications that are always so one sided. Get a job for heaven's sake and give my eyes a break.

Anonymous

LMAO to "YOU IDIOTS"

Rick Studer

To: kritter say 911 was an inside job

Here, here, kritter I respect your spunk and drive, you go girl! (or is it guy?) Anyway…

It’s always appropriate to use the work of other people to make a point in your own rant but please, give credit were credit is do! You should mention where your extensive cut & paste clicks come from. We don't want to appear smarter than we are!

Curious… do you actually know who Nikola Tesla is?

At little advice, beware of Jeff and the Latent Homo crowd, they have a low tolerance of humor and thinking.

http://www.free-energy.ws/backgr...

http://www.electrifyingtimes.com...

Rick Studer

To: You Idiots

1. If you are tied up in a chair and forced to read this blog, let me know where you are and I’ll come and rescue you.
2. Opinion columns and there weaker sisters “blogs” are by nature and design “one-sided” , if you want well rounded, talk to your grandma.
3. I believe the Blogstress does have a job, besides this one.
4. Let me share with you a tip. Whenever you feel your veins popping just imagine a leprechaun sitting on your shoulder and talk to him.

In my previous post I put two links at the bottom. I forget to note that these are the locations of the full text of the items that “kritter” had used for her cut and paste journalism.

A correction, “credit were credit is do!” should read “credit where credit is do!”

Anonymous

Really Ricky do you think people that are female believe you are sponge worthy? Just take one deep breath.

Anonymous

Your other correction should have been 'due' instead of 'do.'

Also, your postings tend to be too verbose, kindly make an attempt at brevity.

Anonymous

rick, oh ricky, what a good ol' boy lol. Oh course I copy and paste, that is what it is for "work smater, not harder" the point was still made. If u want all the information I have gathered about free energy just ask and I will email it to u. Of course I know who tesla is, wasn't that a rock band lol. google haarp I have done my research time and time again.

Anonymous

Sorry fud clucker

Rick Studer

To kritter: Thanks for the link, I’ll check that out. Is HAARP some type of implementation of Tesla’s death ray or his attempt to transmit electricity through the air? I look forward to reading about it.

By the way, I’ve always thought Tesla was far more brilliant than Edison. I wonder if they would consider renaming Edison High to Tesla High?

To Re Rick Studer: Thanks for the correction. I’ve always said proof readers are worth their weight in gold. Don’t you think it takes more than a sentence or two to make a point? Short post are like hollering out the window of a moving car to someone on the sidewalk. A couple of paragraphs are like a conversation.

To Elaine Bennettple: I know Regarding Sues Blog does…

rickstuder@rocketmail.com

Anonymous

Sue,
First and foremost let's take a look just a few miles south to A.E.P.. They are raising their electric rates by 45%. Yes that is right 45%!! Suddenly First Energy (F.E.) does not sound do bad.

Please also take into consideration that F.E. has not raised rates since 1996. The costs of almost every item that F.E. has purchases since then has risen, not to mention the labor costs.

How much has the Columbia Gas raised their rates since then. How much has the City Of Sandusky raised the water rates since then.

Sure the bill will be higher for homes that are all electric, but how much would it go up if some of those appliances were gas?

Anonymous

I just wanted to add this quote from Tony Alexander.

"Considering our costs to produce and deliver electricity have increased dramatically since our last base-rate cases were decided more than a dozen years ago, we've designed a plan that provides for modest increases in electricity prices over the next three years," Anthony J. Alexander, president of Toledo Edison's Akron-based parent, FirstEnergy, said.

Anonymous

Who do we need a regulatory commission for energy? Would not the free market place if given a true chance allowing consumers to be able to freely pick what company would best fit there budgets be better.
This regulatory stuff is crap! Take cable tv for an instance. We pay through the nose for cable tv because there is no competition that gives you as good of a signal as cable tv and they know this.
heathcare is another instance where consumers have no control of what kinds of care and what price they will pay. in our country corporations pic and choose what coverage we recieve and how much our insurance actually covers. we have no control over this because we do not pay the premiums the corporations do!
All this means that we have once again have chosen to choose to do something because with the best of intentions. As I have said before the road to hell is paved with good intentions!

Anonymous

I just wish the darn bill was easier to read, in a logical format and made sense. Tell me the billing period, how many Kwhrs I used, how much per Kwhr, and the total charge for my usage. Add on the other charges. and Presto! My total amount owed. Having the past year's history is good too. But there is too much other mumbo-jumbo on the bill that I have no idea what they are telling me and it doesn't help to talk to anyone because they can't seem to explain it to me either! I can remember getting an electric bill that was post card sized!

Anonymous

We live in an all electric house and we use a ton of electricity. Last month we used 732 kWh. So it goes up a buck or two. Big deal. As a previous poster stated, look at what AEP is doing, and actually check out what electric companies across the nation are doing. I'd say FirstEnergy's customers actually have it pretty good, even with the rate increase.

Anonymous

It bout time to yank the plug on you & see what happens. Nickoli gave me the free EMF. Ampitude or Frequency modulation does not concern me. (AM/FM). Your mental health IMO is in a very sorry state. Allow me to hook you up to my machine.

Anonymous

Just admit that you do not even like seniors. You are self centered and greedy and only care about issues that affect your pocketbook. You did not stand up for us against that peon from the power company. Why complain to him, he can make no decisions. And now the school wants more money.

Anonymous

America needs energy independence. We need energy independence because it will create jobs. Energy independence will boost our economy. We stop transferring 700 billion dollars to terrorist and goverments that want to harm us and give it to people and companies in this country.

This will only happen when American's stop being spectators of our government and start being involved in our government. It amazes me that people know more about brittany spears and fantasy football than they know the people who we elect to office and what they stand for.

We the people have the power in this government with our vote. We need to be involved and tell our employees in washington DC how we want OUR country run. We can do this by registering to vote.

I really do not care who you support democrat or republican, because I believe that the average american will have a better sense what is right and what is the wrong way of leading our country.

Rick Studer

Hi Jeff, thanks for the offer but I’ll pass, we all know where your machines been.

Anonymous

Richard,why is it so hard for you to grasp this? (She squints her eyes as she speaks). Krabill is only trying to help.

Anonymous

Please just leave me alone.

Anonymous

Ok I dislike Rick Studer as much as the next guy but come on, these attacks are unwarranted and should stop. I know insults are all your feeble minds can come up with. I also know its a miracle you trailer park dults can even form a sentence. Get back to the topic at hand or go back to polishing your 76 El Camino that is on blocks in your driveway.

Anonymous

And to Averagejoe, there are these things we call capitol letters. Why dont you try using them, your blog posts look like a 3rd grader wrote them. With improper grammer that like that Im sure you work at Wal-Mart as a night stockman or janitor. Learn to type and learn to make sense.

Anonymous

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Anonymous

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America needs to exploit all of our natural resources. When I see Sara Palin I’m reminded of exploiting and I say Drill Baby, Drill. Sara Palin is right, we need to get on the ground and suock all that energy right out. There’s a load out there waiting for drilling and suocking. That suocking sound isn’t the economy, that suocking sound is Sara Palin saving the economy, Drill baby, Drill.

Anonymous

It is dolt not dult. You too desperately need the assistance of my machine. C'on, don't be afraid. I'm only here to help.

Anonymous

re: okay artie. I dont need help from your machine or you, you cross-dressing nutcase. Go back to reading something on your level, like your John McCain propaganda and leave me alone you weirdo.

Anonymous

Don't knock it till you've tried it. Meet me @ the Crowbar tonight around 8:30. We can have that drink & settle this the way we should. I'll be the one with fishnet stockings & the tube top. Hurry!

Anonymous

Why did you try to hide? You don't need to delete this either.

Anonymous

Oh this is so Halloweenie, the bone-chilling phantom of the blog…

He’s so scary with his Steely Dan…. HOOOOO!

BLACKJACK

hey phantomz im not hiding come on out I,ll play with-u i like breakn things like fingers

Anonymous

I once heard a saying that went something like this: When they start smearing your intellect, take solace that you're ideas are intimidating to them. When was hard work no matter what the circumstance, a bad thing? I don't know about anyone else, but I have a lot of respect for a person that works third shift on a night stocking crew. That shows me that he would rather work to take care of himself and his family than collect welfare. It's not what you do in life, but how you live it, that is important at the end of the day. Yet ye who is without fault, cast the first stone. I think I read that somewhere once..........

Anonymous

Well stated. Dittos.

Anonymous

Well I see Averagejoe has advanced to to fourth grade, hes learned how to copy and paste.

Anonymous

Welcome back Blackjack. We missed tou hallucinations........NOT!

Gulliver

Here are some final thoughts as you continue to deliberate on the proposed Ohio Edison rate hike and whether it's fair or necessary:

TO MY WISH - I echo your sentiments exactly. The bill and First Energy's business is so complicated that the average consumer couldn't possibly understand if the rate hike is fair/equitable/necessary. I suspect
that keeping the consumer confused is all part of the strategy. How can you oppose something you don't understand?

TO ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE: I'm with ya!! Especially your comment on "Maybe now is the time for local officials to pursue, or at least investigate. It could be one of the best investments for now and in the future".

Keep in mind that your recommendation would require an elected official to be willing to do tons of research (hard intellectual work and lots of time & effort) to champion this cause. IS ANYBODY OUT THERE?

TO ALL ELECTRIC: Your statement of "So it goes up a buck or two. Big deal".

You are assuming your ALL ELECTRIC rate will only cost a buck or two more. I tried to get confirmation on that assumption from First Energy's Public Relations Representative. He would not confirm or deny. All he could say is that he didn't know. (That's not a good sign) I suspect you will find out if your assumption is true (or not) after January 1, 2009. I hope you're right, but my gut tells me otherwise. Good luck.

TO WAH, WAH, WHA - "I would say it's pretty reasonable"... "Deal with it". Be careful of what still remains as an unknown... if it was so "reasonable", there would be more transparency. If there was more transparency the typical consumer could truly understand the pricing structure of the Electric Service Plan. Neither is the case with this rate hike.

Again, thanks for the comments!

BLACKJACK

Electric not cheap. Kep flashlighs incase you get cut off. Gas is cool to but not lik electric. U can heat and see cook with electric Hez Art I got plenty room on my foot for ur azz

Anonymous

f….art, BlackJack could kill you without laughing!!!!

Anonymous

Has your answer Sue. He knows it all.

Anonymous

I am probably the only person on this site that has met Tony Alexander (First Energy CEO) face to face. This topic did come up, and trust me it is not as bad as you think it is.

The First Energy spokesperson cannot say for sure how much more your bill will be because he or she does not know you usage habbits. He or she is a spokesperson not a fortune teller.

Like I said before, I would stop complaining and start counting my blessings. Remember AEP is jacking rates up by 45% just a few miles south of us. First Energy has not had a base-rate increase in over a dozen years.

Anonymous

Im real scared blackjoke I mean blackjack. Im suprised your foot isnt up brokebacks rear, or is that where your pet gerbil is. Why dont you and brokeback bill trod on down to that bar you patronize that is guilty of stealing gas, and have yourselves a cocktail.Go back to your "fruity drinks, and leave the comments on this blog to the real men.

BLACKJACK

Listn az I never stold gas, I dont hav a car anway. U come to the crowbar an il buy u a drink an stand on ur face while I drink mind

Anonymous

Say hello to my little machine.

Anonymous

Take a hike oh artie, Art V is BLACKJACKS punk!!!!!

Anonymous

Just great.

Anonymous

Hey "oh artie', I call mine my Johnson

Anonymous

McCain?

Anonymous

You're not the only one on this site that has met and talked to Tony face-to-face. In fact, I do it on a pretty consistent basis. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, other than just name dropping...

You are correct that AEP is increasing rates 45%, but even with that increase their per kwh cost to the consumer will probably still be lower than FirstEnergy. FirstEnergy has by far the highest Average Residential Price of any electrical utility in the nation.

Anonymous

And, oh yeah, it's pretty bad...

Anonymous

I gotta tell a Artie you're sounding to me just a little mad at the world... Have you spoken to your counselor about these anger issues??

Anonymous

AEP's rate is 17.5 cents a KWH if you go over 500 KWH in a month. First Energy's rate is 5.9 cents. This is using figures before AEP jacks up their rates 45%. So as you see, it is not really that bad.

Lets all breathe a sigh of relief, and talk about some serious issues.

Anonymous

How about we get the same health care as our leaders? The Gop& Dems get great coverage that we pay for! Isn't that limited national care? Yes. Yes it is. Now as Joe Tex would say GIVE IT HERE!

Anonymous

this is a value. check around it could be worse.

Anonymous

I'm going to keep my comments to myself as not to sway anyone's opinion on who's feeding them a load of BS...now, everyone, please look at your electric bill and tell me if you're paying 5.9 cents/kwh. Don't take my word for it...look at your electric bill and compare what you're paying to the figure this dude presented (5.9 cents). How bad is it comparatively?

Anonymous

On my bill they tell me in bold letters that it's 5.6 cents, but you do the math and the actual rate is 12.1 cents per kWh.

Anonymous

Come on First Energy, you have engineer's there that can write a small program and have each customers past usage put into a small equation and have the EXACT amount the new rates would cost each individual account!

They will have this equation written if the rate increases, and truth be known, its already written!

I suggest the author interview the PUCO and First Energy and ask why this SIMPLE solution can't be shown on our future bills?

Current bill $xxxx
Future bill after increase $xxxx

It isn't that hard!@

Whats hard is to get the PUCO to work for us when the utilities aren't treating them to free events.

Anonymous

Well, you do not have to have someone do this for you, you can do it yourself.

Multiply your current bill by the increase...notice that Sue does not give the percentages, just some dollar amounts that probably will be your exact increase.

If the rate increase is 4% then multiply your usage section of you bill by 0.04. The answer would be your increase.

Anonymous

12.1 cents is still cheaper than AEP, even before the 45% increase that AEP wants.

Anonymous

I don't get it. Why would anyone, asked for their vote on a rate increase, comply? Why not drive by their offices and just throw your money in the door?

Anonymous

All this electrical talk is the exact reason I’m voting for John McCain. We need a couple of mavericks like john and sara to shake this thing up. John McCain was a prisoner of war in veitanam, he knows what its like to go without electric. Sara Palen lives in a state with 6 months of night. Can you imagine her electric bill? Who better than these two mavericks to fight for hard workin retired people like you and me. I urge you to vote for McCain on election day, besides Barack Hussein Obama is a friend of terrorist, for crying out loud he bombed the capital!