The economic recovery package: Do you know what's in it?

Sue Daugherty
Mar 23, 2010

I've got to hand it to the Obama Administration, they are going above and beyond to keep the citizens informed and involved.

Our economic recovery is serious and very disconcerting. In my opinion the surest way to economic failure is for citizens to be uninvolved and uninformed about what's in the economic recovery plan and why it is in there.

I'm encouraged to find on the Organizing for America Web site that "we the citizens" can attend a public meeting to learn and discuss Obama's economic recovery plan.

Because I work Monday through Friday, the one I'm going to takes place at 2 p.m. Saturday, Feb. 7 at the Seneca Public Library, 77 Jefferson St. in Tiffin. For more information call Bobbie Sue Grenerth.

There will be one in Erie County at 11:30 a.m. to 1p.m. Feb. 9t at  at BGSU Firelands, inside the Cedar Point Center. The number to call for more information is 419-681-0290.

I'm curious to know whether will you be going? Why or why not?

Comments

kURT

timlavigne you displayed your your venom. Now you know why my family was homeless. (What a joke)Hope it never happens to you or yours. Reagan's policy hit those (mostly younger people) in the work arena. I bet you are old & out of touch with the real world......just like most Republicans. Why is it when those in power benefit it is called capitalist. When the people benefit it is called socialism. Open your eyes & ears & listen....people in all sectors need real jobs also. It is the economy stupid. Or as Barrack would say, "We can't keep on with the same old tired out plans."

Anonymous (not ...

kURT wrote on Feb 12, 2009 8:40 PM :

‘…Herbert Hoover, who was similar to W. Do nothing,’

On the contrary, in response to the 1930s economic slowdown, President Hoover raised taxes on upper income individuals and signed the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act that placed tariffs on imported goods in an attempt to save American jobs.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smo...

Other exporting countries responded to the protectionist legislation by increasing tariffs on American goods. These measures helped to exaserbate and prolong the world-wide economic slowdown.

In response to the economic slowdown that began in 2000, President Bush signed the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 which lowered taxes for all Americans. Also, Fed Chairman Greenspan lowered interest rates.

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FDR was elected four times: '32,'36,'40 & '44.

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See this NY Times article on how the U.S. dealt with past economic recessions:

http://www.nytimes.com/interacti...

cm.sandusky

Well, good morning! I was wondering why my ears were ringing last night..lol
Kurt and MHL....If you would know me you would know I'm not as conservative as you may think. I remember getting poll calls last year..I answered several questions, which would NOT put me in the republican side, nor the democrats. In the past I voted across both party lines.

Kurt..I'm not from England...

Look, this stimulus is supposed to be voted on today. Even the democrats are asking for a slow down because frankly the bill is over 500 pages and they haven't even read it.
This "rush" is not good, and as taxpayers we should demand to see what is in it before Obama signs this bill.
We don't work for Obama, he works for us.

Anonymous (not ...

MHL wrote on Feb 12, 2009 10:39 PM:

‘I go to work every day to better the quality of me and my family`s life.’

We’re all proud of and glad for you.

Unless you work for the government, you’re working under a capitalist economic system.

BTW, in 2007 there were only 3 million U.S. households that had investible assets of $1 million or more (excluding primary residence). It’s estimated that in 2008, the number shrunk to 2.8 million.

See: http://www.ml.com/media/79882.pdf

There ain’t enough wealthy to tax in order to get the U.S. out of the mess the liberals have put this country in. Obozo has been lying to ya!

Anonymous (not ...

I’ve got some potentially very sad news for all you liberal socialists.

Regarding the misnamed stimulus package, Robert Frank of the Wall St. Journal Wealth Report wrote an article entitled: Who Will Get Rich Off the Stimulus?

‘But the $500 billion that will pour out of Washington is also likely to create a new wave of fortunes in America — or at the very least make some of the existing rich even richer.’

See: http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/

Yep! Obozo is, has and will lie to you again, and again and again.

You socialists are such dopes. Lenin called you ‘useful idiots.’

Who’s the wealthy under a communist or socialist system? Certainly not you economic illiterates; it’s the government bureaucrats and their cronies!

Capitalism has taken more people out of poverty than any known economic system in history. Through capitalist ideals, China has created more middle-class in the last decade than ever in the history of the world.

Chung Lee

Lenin called them "useful idiots" and the "useful idiots" for George Bush and the Republican Party are called Christian Conservatives. They are brainwashed to the point that the consistently vote against their best interest.

Today we have people making less than $30,000 thinking that they are living the American Dream. They defend the CEO's make 10's of millions annually without realizing that these CEO's make more in a minute of work than some of these people make in a year. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Not only are they economically bankrupt, but they are intellectually deficient as well. They are convinced that terrorists are out to kill them. I would think if anybody is keeping score.... I am pretty sure that more Muslims have been killed by Christiand than Christians killed by Muslims. One of the most disturbing claims is "Islam is a religion of hate". Over 1 billion people practice Islam. One would think that Islam was behind the Inquisition, pogroms, witch hunts, bombings of abortion clinics and etc.

kURT

Thank you! 4 times that is great. People are reading. Great! I made a mistake....I said 3. Sorry. President Obama admitted he "scr*wed up." How honest. Read the article in Sand town paper about Obama's mistake. Forget who the commenter was, anyway it proves that Obama right away admitted his error. I respect that. Other past leaders let their pride get in the way. Once again - the banks & wall st. got big money 1rst & quickly. That's fine though isn't it? Like Sue's article stated: I too am encouraged by our current President. We the people need a future. We all win here - or we all lose. America needs action now not just idle words. Cm i don't know what you are. People seem to put labels on everything. All I want is to be know as a person who tried to do what is right.

The Objectivist...

Chung Lee: I am glad to see you have lost your racist pigeon english act. However, your posts are still as equally incoherent.

What is your point?

You wrote:

" Lenin called them "useful idiots" and the "useful idiots" for George Bush and the Republican Party are called Christian Conservatives. They are brainwashed to the point that the consistently vote against their best interest."

Where is the support for this arguement? Provide one example where the Christian Conservatives vote agaist their best interest!

Equally incoherent...

"Today we have people making less than $30,000 thinking that they are living the American Dream. They defend the CEO's make 10's of millions annually without realizing that these CEO's make more in a minute of work than some of these people make in a year. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad."

What is your point? Should everyone make the same regardless of how hard they work or how smart they are?

What is sad about some people making 10's of millions and other making $30k? That is the American Dream. Be smart, get a good education, work hard, get rich. Regardless of social rank at birth. Don't work hard, stay poor. Don't tell me that the guy making less than the CEO works harder, is smarter and better educated! Again, where is your point?

In a capitalist society there will be a very broad strata of incomes. Are you suggesting that we should place limits on salaries of CEOs? Or make it so every makes the same amount of money regardless of how hard they work? You make no sense!

Then your last paragraph who is they? Are you cutting and pasting from someone elses work? Who is economically bankrupt and intellectually deficient? CEOs? Lenin and Bush? Christian Concervatives? People making less that $30k/year? CEO are bankrupt, they make 10's of millions, Lenin is dead, Bush is not bankrupt nor intellectually deficient. Smart enough to be president and has loads of cash. Christian Concervatives? Certainly not bankrupt, have you seen their churches? Intellectually deficient, well.. I certainly don't agree with a lot of fundentialist views, but I would not go so far as to call the intellectually deficient. But, I assume that is who your are talking about. "They are convinced that terrorists are out to kill them." Well I think most people, including myself and unless they have been in a coma before 9-11 would agree with them. Only a fool would believe that there aren't terrorist out there looking to do harm to the USA and its citizens if given the chance. So again.. where is your point Chung Lee?

cm.sandusky

What is the american dream?
Is it only money? Is it having the pefect job, a house, kids, spouse?
I think the american dream is what YOU want it to be and how hard you are willing to work to get it.
Some people are happy making $30,000, some NEED more.

cm.sandusky

Not only have Democrats already broken their promise to give 48 hours consideration to any major bill - they are about to pass the biggest spending bill in the history of the planet, without even reading it

Chung Lee

Objective Epistemologist I would suggest you change your name to "Complete Oxymoron". You claim that you are objective yet you make statements such as "Capitalism is the separation of economics and state. It is also the only social system compatible with man's nature as a rational being." Quite an interesting example of "Objectivity".

You do know the difference between social systems and political systems right? Are you suggesting that people should do what is only in their own best interest? Interesting that you believe in the rights of the individual yet depend on the collective strength of the collective to defend your sophomoric conclusions.

Furthermore, it is the state that decides the political system. It is the state the provides the codefication of the laws and the standardization of the currency that provides the environment that allows capitalism to exist. Capitalism cannot exist without the sanction of the state so to suggest that "Capitalism is the separation of economics and state" clearly shows that you do not understand the difference between politics and economics and the interaction that takes place between the two.

A person such as yourself with your elevated smugness should be able to discern between the 3,000 killed on September 11th and the 100,000+ Muslims that have been killed in Iraq since the invasion. It is clear that Muslims should fear Christians more than Christians should fear Muslims. Speaking of that invasion.....what exactly did Iraq have to do with 911? So why exactly is the United States involved with that fools errand?

You challenged me to find an example of Christians voting against their best interest? Look at the demographics of the last couple elections. Why would people in states like Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina and West Virginia vote Republican? People in these states would benefit more from the social programs proposed from the Democrats as compared to the tax cuts to the rich proposed by the Republicans. Interesting these states also have the poorest performing schools. Purely just an unfortunate coincidence.

So Objectivist Epistemologist what exactly is your point and the purpose of your argument? Clearly, if you are as elightened as you claim to be, you are rich beyond belief, but why would you waste your time posting on the Sandusky Register blogs? The only thing that is certain is that your heavy reliance on the quotes of Ayn Rand only shows that you have very few beliefs of your own.

Bailey

The House doesn't even know whats in it!

WATCH THIS SHORT VIDEO PEOPLE!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C...

cm.sandusky

If the House and the Senate where in private industry they would be in PRISON! NEED I SAY MORE!

timlavigne

chung lee, christians believe in self reliance. A social program does not give self reliance, it allows the goverment to get involved into your life remeber the borrower is a slave to the lender. Second as a christian you should be willing to give but the goverment should not be doing it for you, it is your responsability not the goverments.
Second while many muslem so follow a peaceful religion there is many who don't. It is the radical muslem who have declared war on us. Why because of our freedom we allow choice that are good and bad. choice that allow you to sin without punishment from the goverment and that is christianity. WE believe in forgivness and we believe that we all have sinned. While we do stand up and say that is wrong we do not stop you from doing it, like liberals do. We could leave the middle east today nad they would still want to kill us. The internet has reached there children and showen them the joys of freedom. The see freedom not as a gift from god but as a tool of the devil to lead there kids to hell. Why to you think we are the great satan. The leaders of Iran also believe in the part of muslim that is not peacful. you need to be a muslim or die. there leaders beleive that by starting a war with the great satan they will bring there messiah home quicker.

timlavigne

trickle down economics works every day in this country. It leads tord the american dream. It is simple people want to make money and they have a goal to make. If you take away money from them in the form of taxes they still have a amount of money they need to make. So quess what they cut some place Labor, income, benafits, you name it.

Goverment can not make anyting with out taking it from someone. they can not give money with out giving to someone. the best way to have people make the money for the goverment to take is to give them and incentive to produce. That is how you make a economy work. Look at Ireland lowest one of th lowest tax rates in the world and they are booming. heck look at this country. the areas that have prospered and still prospering have had low tax rates limited goverment. so don't tell me trickle down economics dont' work. plus what other country in the world can you go from lower class to upper by using your ideas. you can't do that in a socialist state. There your idea belongs to them.

timlavigne

kurt, I never said i Knew why you where homeless. What I said was simple. where you are at this or anytime in your life has to do with your choices. If I heard your full story I could tell you what lead to it. What choice you might of made that lead tord it. The president in a free world can not be held soly responsible for where you are at any giving time. He can make your choices harder or with a little bit quick talk make you decided to choce the wrong choice. but he can't make it for you

Like I said I am in a down time of my life and I can tell you what choices i made that lead me to this point. It is not just one choice like many things are not just one reson. Some choices can go back 10 to 12 years that I made that lead to this point. But i can say I see this extreamly low time as a bleasing. I believe in freedom, I believe that the lord works in mine and your life low points in life are made to teach you a lesson on your past or even your future. Sometimes you really do nothing wrong but the lord is preparing you to enjoy something in the future.

As for me I am younger then you. I was still peeing in my pants when regan was elected but I use common sence, look at our founding fathers, and truly look at history to come to my own decisions. That is why I am conservative, That is why I don't trust the democratic party anymore and why I am starting to distruct many republicans anymore. If you look how they act when they are in power they act the same. current repubicans only act conservative when they are the minority.

The scary thing for me is everyday i live become more libertarion then a repubican. But i will always be a conservative

Chung Lee

I need help interpreting this message from timlavigne. I think it is written in uneducated hill jack! Chung Lee have dictionary but it is in English.

"Remeber it is not govermet responsability to give benafits tord librals by showen them that mulems are evel satans witout forgivness".

Tim you do realize that Saudi Arabia is our best friend in the middle east aside from Israel? Tell me.... how free is that country? You do realize that women cannot even drive in that country! The Taliban was the creation of Reagan (perfect example of trickle down) to fight the Russians. Unfortunately, Reagan didn't realize that the forces he provided weapons to would eventually fight against the countries that took up after the Russians left.

Is it just a coincidence that the Taliban became more popular when the American military started building up in the area? It is also just completely ignorant to say that they "hate us for our freedom". One billion people and you want to make such a generalization? Tell me....why do Christians bomb abortion clinics? Do they hate the fact that women have the right to choose under our laws? Are all Christians terrorists because of the actions of a few?

Chung Lee think Tim needs to learn how to spell and think for himself because if Chung Lee wanted to hear nonsense he would turn on radio and listen to Rush Limbaugh.

timlavigne

first off a person who bombs an abortion clinic is not a christian. you pray for them not bomb them. The radical muslem that is what i said hate us for our freedoms and it is the radical muslem that are attacking us and have declared war on us. Second no person is evil because of there religion. All people have sinned, no one is perfic, and many have flaws (like grammer), and all need forgivness.

I like you amazing do not like the friendship with Saudi Arabia. It is purely a friendship over oil. If we would pump our own then maybe we would not need to have them as friends would we. As for Reagan He wasn't perfict no president was but carter did more damage in the middle east then regan ever did.

Christianity is simple you can not get to heaven by doing things, by being nice to people, even though you should. christianity says you get to heaven becasue the action of one man. a man who was god in human form and did no sin. A man that was promised by god to the jews. A man that had 100's of signs fortold in jewish bible of who he was and all signs that are proven above all odds to point to jesus. Christianity in one word is forgivness. There is many who will do many thing in the name of god but that don't mean they are want christians stand for.

timlavigne

to say that Radical islam hate us for freedom is words out of there own mouth. They (radiacal islam not normal islam) see us as a modern day sodom and gomora. While I agree we many times in history have gotten into fight that we should not of been in but most of them times point tord a U.N. Decision.

As for Iraq all inteligents pointed tord wmd. (which by the way did you Iraq with in weeks of our attacks had hundreds of heavy equiment moving air planes fly into syria. must of been food they moved). Iraq was not follow the requirments given to them by the U.N., the U.N. was not going to do anything because of the money scam that was going on before we attacked. Plus if you paid attention to the pappers for years you would see a article about once every two weeks that Iraq shot at a plane in the No Fly Zone. The only reson the invasion of Iraq is being argued against is becuase it was a republican who started it. end of story

timlavigne

and my writting is educated hilljack. uneducated hill jack looks like this akdjf;ajfaklfjdalkfjda;fkja;ldj

kURT

Many things are learned from the past, This is why past conversations are such. To those who think they know so much the old Indian saying comes to mind. Before you judge a man walk a mile in his moccasins. Many here reflect their age & lack of life experiences. By age I mean they dodged they lay-offs in the 80's. They are now retired & haven't know real strife like many Americans 50& under. I feel timlavigne is one of them. Chung Lee you know how hard it is to teach old dog new trick? These people here not want to learn either.

timlavigne

well actually in the 80's i was living with my single mom who had to live with grandparents becuase of how poor she was. I can tell you in my 31 years I have seen more strife then most peole. Plus I can tell you things I have done when i was young to survive that make me sick. They where wrong but done by my choice and lead to my problems and my demons that I have dealt with.

It is called personal responsability. I am not juding you, trust me on that. All I am saying is you can not blame a leader in a free society for all of you problem. especially a leader who has limited powers, a leader who has a congress and a senate that makes decision also. our problems are 99 percent due to a decision we have made don't mean it is always your fault or your to blame but a decision some place in life lead you to it.
To be honest I bet me and you if politics aside would get along well. The only differnce between me and you is that I don't trust any politicion anymore. I still vote and always will but democrates are not teh democrates of the 80's the once my grandfather loved. The republicans except for a few are only conservative when they want to get elected. once in power they grow govermetn just as much.
this stimulas plan, it is a decison that is going to take away freedom's. A decision that we and our great grandkids will have to pay for sometime down the road. you can not double the amount of money in circulation (if you take every dollar in circulation today it wold still be 40 billion short of this bill) and not expect massive inflation.

timlavigne

and if you don't believe my age, well ask Mr. Lee. I don't know yet who he is becasue he don't use his real name. But he or she seems to know me.

Chung Lee

Tim you want to hunt Chung Lee? You say you want sue Chung Lee? Chung Lee live in van down by river. So you want sue Chung Lee? Chung Lee tell no lies. Anyway, Chung Lee only have van frying pans and paint ball guns. Yes Chung Lee have paintball guns. He use them to shoot cat. Chung Lee take personal responsibility and he no sue his company or sue people who tell truths.

No worry....Chung Lee no tell people age of Tim. Chung Lee no violate Register policy.

timlavigne

no chung lee? Tim don't want to hurt chung lee, tim don't fight, just want you to debate while you leave my wife out of it. and you can rip my grammer, maybe force me to self teach better grammer.
yes ripping my wife and me in personal attacks is liable and immature. I really would like to know who you are.

timlavigne

ok school ranking got mentioned on why we vote the way we do. lets look at current rankings and see who leads them. info found at

www.psk12.com and http://www-personal.umich.edu/

Rank
Gr 8
Read
Ave Gr 8
Math
Ave 2008 vote 2004 vote
1 Massachusetts MA D D
2 Minnesota MN D D
3 New Hampshire NH D D
4 North Dakota ND R R
5 Vermont VT D D
6 Montana MT R R
7 South Dakota SD R R
8 Iowa IA D R
9 Colorado CO D R
10 Connecticut CT D D
11 Wyoming WY R R
12 Kansas KS R R
13 Maine ME D D
14 Virginia VA D R
15 Wisconsin WI D D
16 New Jersey NJ D D
17 Ohio OH D R
18 Nebraska NE R R
19 Indiana IN D R
20 Missouri MO R R
21 New York NY D D
22 Oregon OR D D
23 Utah UT R R
24 Washington WA D D
25 Idaho ID R R
26 Illinois IL D D
27 North Carolina NC D R
28 Pennsylvania PA D D
29 Delaware DE D D
30 Kentucky KY R R
31 Maryland MD D D
32 Michigan MI D D
33 Texas TX R R
34 Alaska AK R R
35 South Carolina SC R R
36 Oklahoma OK R R
37 Rhode Island RI D D
38 West Virginia WV R R
39 Florida FL D R
40 Georgia GA R R
41 Arizona AZ R R
42 Tennessee TN R R
43 Arkansas AR R R
44 Nevada NV D R
45 Louisiana LA R R
46 California CA D D
47 Hawaii HI D D
48 Mississippi MS R R
49 Alabama AL R R
50 New Mexico NM D R
51 Washington D.C. D D

THANK MAKES top ten 2008 7d3r 2004 bush years 5d5r
bottom 10 08 5d 5r 2004 bush years 3d 7r
so you seem to make a point chung even though it is about even on the bottom 5 and even the top Five in 2004 buuuut. You are forgetting one thing when it comes to liberals and conservatives The liberals have run the school for years so does it really matter state by state. Plus when it comes to conservative christians there are not happy about what the schools are teaching. There seems to me less of the three r's the basic and more theory based teaching. (evolution, global warming, liberalism)

So no it would not make cence for the conservative christian to vote on basis of what has been done to our schools.

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