Catholic Church has school's back on firing

Sandusky Central Catholic School's forced resignation gains national attention, outraged alumnus creates blog to follow story.
Alissa Widman Neese
Jan 13, 2014

 

The Catholic Church broke tradition Monday, releasing an official statement in support of a band and choir director's recent departure from Sandusky Central Catholic School.

Meanwhile, a group of outraged alumni are assembling on a blog and social media, expressing support and aiming to springboard the story to national media outlets.

Brian Panetta, who was in his fifth year of employment with Sandusky Central Catholic School, was forced to resign this past week after announcing plans to pursue a gay marriage next year.

He initially received an unsigned letter of termination indicating he was fired, but school officials and representatives from the Catholic Diocese of Toledo, which oversees the school, later agreed he could resign.

Click here for all Register coverage of this story.

Panetta, who identifies as Catholic, plans to marry his fiancé in July 2015.

A newly created blog, hirebrianback.blogspot.com, is advocating for Panetta's rehire. It also links to a change.org petition, which netted more than 200 signatures and supportive comments in its first day.

"Everyone loved him, even people who aren't in favor of gay marriage, because they loved him as a person and a teacher," said alumnus Fred Staffeld, who is managing the new blog from Washington D.C. "We're outraged by the hypocrisy. Instead of firing others who are breaking rules, they only fired somebody who was just upfront and honest about who he is."

Staffeld graduated from St. Mary Central Catholic High School in 1982, during what he calls the "glory days" of band, when John Kustec, now a Perkins Schools employee, was his director.

Panetta reminded Staffeld of a young Kustec, because he ignited passion in his students and more than doubled the once dwindling band's size.

When Staffeld received mixed messages about who was responsible for Panetta's abrupt resignation, and later learned the truth, he felt inspired to take action, he said.

"I've received some angry messages about creating a circus of this," Staffeld said. "If this school didn't want a circus, it shouldn't have discriminated in 2014. It's going to create a firestorm."

The story has since picked up national attention, most recently being featured on Advocate.com and LGBTQ Nation, two of the world's largest websites for gay rights news.

Panetta issued a public statement about the matter Friday, which permitted the Catholic Diocese of Toledo to respond today, according to its statement. The diocese typically doesn't comment on personnel matters, in order to protect individuals, it said.

"In light of the Church's clear teaching on sacred marriage and the fact that Mr. Panetta himself has publicly indicated his marriage plans are contrary to Church teachings and are the issue at the heart of this matter, the leadership of Sandusky Central Catholic School properly determined that his employment could not continue," the diocese stated. 

"When Sandusky Central Catholic School informed the diocese of the situation, the diocese fully concurred it was the correct decision and in keeping with the terms of his teacher-minister contract," it concluded.

Click here to read the full statement.

The statement offers little, if any, new insight, as the diocese's spokeswoman offered a brief comment this past week, in which she also stated Panetta's forced resignation was a "local decision," and the diocese only offered consultation.

All Sandusky Central Catholic School employees sign a contract stating they will live a lifestyle according to the Catholic faith.

After he became engaged on Christmas Day, Panetta told school principal Melody Curtis about his wedding plans, anticipating the pair would agree an end-of-the-year resignation would be the most appropriate way to ensure no conflicts resulted. He received his letter of termination later that night.

His five-year relationship with his now-fiancé, Nathan David, was not a secret, as David often attended school events and met several students and their families, Panetta said.

Panetta has no plans to take any legal action against Sandusky Central Catholic School.

He cares deeply for the school, its faculty and its students, and only wants to perpetuate the truth about why he can no longer teach them, he said.

He is currently a graduate student at Bowling Green State University. He plans to graduate in May and seek employment elsewhere, possibly near his hometown in North Carolina, or David's hometown in Illinois.

Sandusky Central Catholic School issued a news release this past week about the matter, simply stating Panetta had resigned. It also provided a link to Panetta's statement, in which he called himself a "proud and gay Catholic."

 

Other Catholic school firings circulate in national media

Sandusky Central Catholic School's forced resignation of its gay band and choir director addresses a hot-button issue constantly circulating in national media.

On Friday, the same day Panetta issued a statement about his resignation, Michael Griffin, a gay teacher at a Catholic school in Pennsylvania, was fired after filing for a marriage license with his partner. 

The pair had a civil union and the teacher wore a ring, and as with Panetta, school administrators knew he was gay. 

Their relationship didn't become a problem until Griffin emailed school administrators about his marriage license, which they interpreted as a public statement.

Earlier this month, Mark Zmuda, a gay vice principal in Washington, was also fired for marrying his partner. School officials suggested Zmuda get a divorce to keep his job, but he rejected the idea, he said.

Students have rallied in support of Zmuda and actively protested his departure, staging a sit-in and then walking out in solidarity, effectively shutting down their school. They have also rallied a social media campaign and crafted an online petition with now more than 32,000 signatures.

The most prominent firing case in Ohio involved a Catholic school in Columbus, whose officials fired lesbian teacher Carla Hale for listing her female partner in her mother's obituary in The Columbus Dispatch this past year.

Comments

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thinkagain

Thank God for the few Christians that seem to be left who really care what God has to say.

The SR should just change the title of this saga to: “St. Mary’s follows the tenets of their religion”. Of course, Matt would have to be unbiased for that to happen…

This is another example of people using the media to try and drum up public sentiments that the Catholic Church is anti-gay.

In short, it's time for homosexual activists to get off their high horses. You do not have a right to demand that a religious institution respect it, consider it "normal" or sanction it.

Their never-ending pressuring of society to give up religious faith, merely exposes them as preachy, intolerant and hypocritical extremists.

These “outraged alumnus” have been deceived, as well as whoever else would support this. It's not real love to accept someone who's more attached to this perversion than to God. God is opposed to this abomination. Period

Satan and his followers, acting out of hatred for God, battle to remove Christianity from this country. Their new state religion called “Political Correctness”, has outlawed God and morals. We are witnessing the further erosion of our societal fabric caused by this new religion and the penchant for claiming victimization.

I can show you where it says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...."

Unfortunately this new state religion is beginning to take away our true Constitutional rights of freedom of worship and the freedom of speech.

freethinker1

The problem with your God is that a faith-based, invisible deity looks exactly the same as "nothing is there".

I once read that George W. Bush said God talked to him each day. If he said that God talked to him through his hair dryer, we would say that he was insane. I fail to see how the addition of a hairdryer to the story makes any difference.

Kingsin

Don't worry freethinker- you'll have your chance to talk to Him face to face- count on it.

"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" Heb. 10:31

"For the time has come for judgment, and it must begin with God's household. And if judgment begins with us, what terrible fate awaits those who have never obeyed God's Good News?" 1 Peter 4:17

cody6202000

So, so pretentious, and circular logic...

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Roman_Ryan

Its just like talking to your friend. Its not weird to talk to your friend, but if yu talk to your friend through a hair drier (which would be kinda odd!) would make a huge difference. The thing is, is that he DIDN'T talk to him through a hair drier.
and P.S.: *Our God

Roman_Ryan

Its just like talking to your friend. Its not weird to talk to your friend, but if yu talk to your friend through a hair drier (which would be kinda odd!) would make a huge difference. The thing is, is that he DIDN'T talk to him through a hair drier.
and P.S.: *Our God

DickTracey

@thinkagain, you bring up a good point, because I have been wondering if God did have a say.

If indeed, St. Mary's knew for over four years that Mr. Panetta was gay. And if he was as good as they say and loved by the students and parish, as everyone seems to agree.

Why didn't the school and church organize a prayer chain, and ask God to "PRAY THE GAY AWAY" ? With over 1,000 people from Sandusky prayed for four years, to God that Brian would be straight so he could stay at St. Mary's , would God hear that?

I would think in four years time with the church and school families all praying to make Brian "normal", they would have had ample prayers to make it happen. If this is Gods way, why wouldn't it work?

Just think, this would be a win, win for all involved! The kids could keep their teacher, and it would be a wonderful lesson to show the powers of God!

Then after God made Mr. Panetta "normal" , he could marry a nice hometown, Catholic girl and settle down, have children, and everyone would live happily ever after!

If everyone knew he was gay, why didn't they at least offer him some counselling to cure his "sin"? It just doesn't seem Christian like that all those years in such a loving close knit church, no one offered this obviously "confused" boy some guidance.

MBR

“St. Mary’s follows the tenets of their religion”.

But they do NOT. They pick and choose. THAT is the issue here.

yea right

and let the war go on and on..good thing ALL churches now adays are nothing more then money hungry evil devil worshiping places called HELL ON EARTH..God does NOT enter any church cuz of this..
when you ppl start JUDGING others..as you do on here..then you are nothing more the a cult..and devil worshipers

There you go again

Amen!

Unassumer

no one including the catholic church knows what god has to say or even if he exists. the bible is not his words. the beliefs are not his. it is all a blatant cover up that the masses have believed out of fear for way too long. if you want to buy into it that's your problem but we should not let religion dictate who gets to keep a job and who doesn't. and you believe in satan too? give me a break!

From the Grave

thinkagain~How dare you project your foolish, judgmental, close minded, and uncompassionate human qualities on God. God created you in HIS image, not the other way around. Or, is it the other way around...

John Harville

Wow! God speaks directly to you and you speak for God to all of us? What a weighty burden

CONGRESS shall make no law...
"...this new state religion...." is exactly what is envisioned by the First Amendment, jackasp

"...free exercise thereof..." means the SCCC cannot accept any federal funding (including free and reduced lunch or other such subsidies), grants, tax exemptions; cannot pay FICA tax nor contribute to the Medicare tax, nor participate in the Diocesan pension plans which are invested in PUBLIC monies.

From the Grave

I hear you John, but let me just tell you that congress will ultimately do whatever they want to, because they know that the vast majority of the people in this country are happy with McDonald's for dinner, and Bud Light for dessert.

Kingsin

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lor70

OK, enough already!!! SR you are playing this way too much! He signed a contract, he broke the contract enough said!! Why do you have to constantly throw this out there?!! St. Mary's has the right to do this! I'm sure if he is as good as a band leader as everyone says he is, he will get a job somewhere else!! From the sounds of it, he knew this was going to happen.....time to move on to another news story!!

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JMOP

Agree...I'm so over this.
He accepted his resignation, but the liberal media can't.

freethinker1

Personally, I"m tired of the Catholic Church pretending they have any moral ground on anything. Discriminatory practices always end - eventually - because those with a sense of empathy speak out.

Why is it, I ask, that conservatives are always on the wrong side when it comes to any social change? From civil rights, to safety nets for the poor and elderly, to equal rights for women, and now equal rights for the LGBT community, Republicans always oppose things that help other people gain equal opportunity.

I find it highly amusing/ironic that they attempt to play the morality card, when it's rather obvious that they don't have any morals. In that respect, the church and conservatives have a lot in common....

Donegan

I find it highly ironic that a democrat would attempt to play the morality card, DOMA, Look it up.

Jaidstar

...it's the Church's right to remain unchanging in it's doctrine. "Social change" is not a requirement of the Church. Those who can deal with it's teachings, do. Those who cannot, are free to move on to deal with whatever consequences they deem worth the decision.

Alternate denominations abound...feel free to debut your own church of "Whatever Feels Good" ...or whatever.

...judging by many of the comments here...it's sure to be standing room only...

John Harville

The Unchanging Church:
Protestants burned at the stake for reading the Bible.
Women must keep their heads covered in Church.
Communion railing/gate locked.
Commuion railing (generally intended to keep the 'unwashed' - especially women - off the sacred altar).
Altar at back of Church and Priest never faces congregation.
Congregation can't sing.
Only songs must be Bible verses put to music.
Women only allowed on altar Saturday mornings - to clean.
Latin Mass.
Limbo for babies who die without baptism.
Indulgences (now disguised in other forms)
Rhythm method.
Banns.
Purgatory.
The Inquisition.
Euthanasia is not allowed - but administering painkillers ONLY with the intent to alleviate pain while fully rising such administration will shorten natural life is acceptable.
In-vitro children have no souls (a current teaching by many priests - and the Church opposes it because those children are 'not conceived of the love of two parents).
Girls cannot be altar servers.
Only the priest can touch the Host.
No Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist.

Many of the 'unchanging doctrines' I have listed here have been changed by persons unwilling to 'move on'.

Donegan

"Euthanasia" Something John Harville feels strongly about and would like to institute it seems. Thank God and the constitution you people never get a free hand in society.

John Harville

Where do you get I favor or don't euthanasia.
The point, asp, is that the Church offers alternatives and explanations to its hard and fast rules.
The point, asp, is that the Church already has 'instituted' it but under a different explanation differentiating the 'intent'. The Church always can find a way around any 'rule'. Case in point: pedophile priests.

Donegan

Euthanasia stuck out because you singled it out as one thing the church does not allow. You do not like church policy, Hence the logic of you being FOR euthanasia. That and you are a progressive. I do not defend the church as I do not attack it either.

John Harville

As in other things, the Church 'allows' euthanasia as long as it is 'couched' in other language.

The SCCS contract does not say one cannot use birth control, participate in in-vitro or surrogacy, defend abortion... be homosexual, live with another person - only that it may not be done publicly.
Melody Curtis certainly has 'gone public' with the church's stand on this issue even though the teacher did not make the engagement issue public.
I hope she plans to stay at SCCS until retirement for she will never get even a janitor's job anywhere else.
Wondering - what are her sons suffering because of her actions?

Donegan

I like all rights for all people, Its in the Constitution. I do not believe any one should dictate moral laws upon others in the US. That aside the guy signed a contract. As misguided as the contract is it is still a binding one.
As for the Euthanasia issue, Taking another's life because of some opinion or another is wrong. If you look back on the history of it, It has always been a bad policy if for nothing else it is immoral to take another's life because the majority believes it will be a useless life. The progressives tried to and did institute it for some time, Much to our nations shame. Remember if you give the government the power you cannot complain when it is used against you.

John Harville

"...all rights for all people, its in the Constitution..."
Really?
Lessee... an African-American was counted as 3/5 of a person in the Constitution.
Women did not have status or vote in the Constitution.
Senators were elected by state legislatures, not the people in the Constitution.
Shall I stop now, or go on making you look MORE uninformed.

And what happens if a person, claiming euthanasia is a religion, chooses to end his/her suffering to get on to meeting Jesus? CONGRESS shall make no law .... religion nor abridging practice thereof...
But you don't understand the difference between sins of commission and sins of omission, do you?
A 'misguided contract' is not binding. If you sign a contract as a medical professional which states you will not object to assisting in euthanasia (which as you stated is against the law) - and you refuse and are fired shall we say "he signed the contract" and that it is "binding"?
One more thing... what DID Mr. Panetta do that violated that portion of the contract?

Donegan

It has yet evolved to where it is today. That is unless you have the power to take away the rights citizens once had.
Wanna steralize anyone lately?
Progessives need held for unamerican acts, Freaking progressive.

John Harville

"It has yet evolved to where it is today."

My point. And The Constitution continues to evolve and eventually will evolve - as will the states - to allow individual Americans self-realization. Some day individuals will be allowed to marry - or not marry - whom they wish... or even adopt children without being married.
Oh. But those rights already exist "that is unless you have the power to take away the rights...."
By the way... what bearing does your sentence about "take away the rights citizens once had..." have to do with my list of laws once in the Constitution that denied rights to entire segments of the country?
Just admit you've lost this entire argument and try to move on.

Northstar

Very nice that you took the time to make the list, and it may shed some light on why there are people for change..It can happen on some levels.

I swore I would not comment again and this is the last time I will partake in increasing the commentary on this subject and web hits.

Many changes have occurred since Vatican II. There are many organizations pushing for change on other more specific areas of the Catholic Church, not just this one topic, the majority of which are really procedure in the mass it looks like...except "Purgatory" which is still there as curriculum in class.

Other movements in the Catholic Church for change do not get this much press coverage ; Divorce(some cannot help this occurring), women priests, use of stem cells and other similar research and procedues for curing diseases that are fatal(against the Catholic Church), artificial insemination being allowed...just a few examples.

But religious freedom and everyone's individual freedom of the soul is what counts. Hence why there are many denominations.

"ENOUGH is ENOUGH!!!" This entire debacle of the SR reporting and it "methods"(HIGHLIGHT) of keeping this alive is only for their own pitiful use to promote an individual reporter (who will probably put this on her resume and move on to another employer using this as her gateway to a higher paying job) and the SR's personal agenda. It has gone on too long.

Leave it alone, Mr. Panetta has already issued many statements. All of which show character beyond comprehension ; more than many could ever have expected from anyone in this world. He has accepted this graciously and moved on, he is committed to his faith and also his viewpoint. The integrity under the pressure of the media he has shown through this really has me dumbfounded. Most people would have taken this and run with it to hit big $$$$. Yet he has contributed to support the decision and continues to issue statements of the love of the school, families and children. He already states upon receiving his masters he plans on moving closer to family for his next position.

SR start looking into a real headlines..there are many who do not uphold the oath they have taken in this "county". Legal Oath! They are ruining lives daily. And yes they have a contract also, which they break every minute. Put your efforts there and really help the people in this county by forcing a change instead burying one targeted set of people with a issue which is dead. I see on your online site and print paper many other more worthy issues to expand your reporting on. More importantly there are many you refuse to investigate...you know why? Because they make a real reporter go research the information and actually work for it..not just use what is handed to them and keep repeating it.

A contract is a contract. Deal done! Everyone start accepting this as it is. Dead issue....move on to the bigger untold stories. Start reporting not repeating.

John Harville

" to act and speak in a way that supports the Roman Catholic Church and its teachings. I understand that serious actions contrary to the Church's teachings (including but not limited to publicly living together outside marriage, public support of abortion, public support or use of a surrogate, public use or support of in vitro fertilization or flagrant deceit or dishonesty) will not be tolerated."

^^^^is the contract language.
So to be an employee, one must to sacrifice US Citizenship as it pertains to certain Constitutional rights.

Where are all those screamers about 'Freedom of Speech'?

To be employed the contract requires to not publicly speak - nor publicly participate - on issues the Church opposes?

Hypocrites!

Babo

Amen! I wish the SR would focus on its responsibility under the First Amendment to be the watchdog on government for the good of the community and stop beating up on an institution that has a First Amendment right to freedom of conscience/thought (the true meaning of freedom of religion). I can't think of any greater "sin" for a journalist than to advocate as the SR appears to be doing for "thought police"

To Mr. Harville, his contract is legal. It is well settled law that Religious Schools are permitted to terminate a teacher for violation of a religious tenet.

John Harville

BABO... you wanna cite that 'well-settled law' for us? The only cases on point state such schools may terminate MINISTERS who also are teachers. His title never carried the word minister.
There also is well-settled law, such as the "Hosanna" decision (2012) you cited incorrectly previously. The nine SUPCO justices were very specific in their ruling and in individual decisions.
For example, a religious school cannot terminate employees for "publicly living together" or several teachers and principals in northwest Ohio would be out of jobs.
Schools also cannot act 'selectively' in enforcing their rules. But since it's been reduced to writing....
And did SCCS and drs. Dudenhoefer and Tyler who headed the search committee which brought Melody Curtiss to Sandusky from Monroe County REALLY intend SCCS to be involved in a lawsuit that could take years (the teacher is not the ONLY person with standing) to bring such a suit)? Did they really envision national spotlights being trained on this institution?

sugar

Bigotry and hate don't have to be factual, it is all based on feelings, propaganda and a big fat dose of FEAR.

Nemesis

"BABO... you wanna cite that 'well-settled law' for us?"

Well, let's see, in the most recent case, which involved a TEACHER, not a minister, despite the Obama Administration sending the Solicitor General in loaded for bear to oppose the ministerial exception, the Supreme Court voted NINE TO ZERO in favor of its broad application.

And yes, the terminated employee is the only one with standing.

Babo

Thank you. I tried telling him that the Hosana Tabor case concerned a teacher and that the church viewed teachers as "ministers" of their faith and thus the "ministerial exception" applied to her termination in another story.

John Harville

According to soon-to-be saints JXXIII and JPII, social change IS a requirement of the Church.

You might have heard of XXIII's Vatican II and the new Catechism written at the direction of JPII?

Or are you not old enough to remember the Latin Mass?

lor70

What makes you think that if a person is conservative they are against civil rights and the poor and elderly?! Talk about judging!! I am conservative I don't agree with gay marriage and I don't agree with abortion....but I do care about the poor, elderly and the young and I believe in civil rights. So stop making assumptions about things and people you know NOTHING about!!

John Harville

I realize you are striving to follow in SOME of Jesus' footsteps. Strangely I can find no scripture where he changed the content of THE ONLY COMMANDMENT he ever gave us.
"This is my commandment. I command you to love one another as I have loved you."
How does that fit with your statements? And why to you list those for whom you care... ie: the poor, elderly and the young...? Do you include the poor, elderly and young who are gay, Black, believe differently than you, Muslim,...?

lor70

Jesus calls us to love, this is true! However, sin is sin!! Just because I don't agree with gay marriage doesn't mean I don't love gay people!! Why are people so quick to think that? Jesus also says to not be of this world....which means just because the world says it's ok, doesn't mean God does!! I believe God loves gay people to, but it doesn't mean he condones the sin....and yes, I would help a gay, black, muslim if they needed it....gay marriage isn't a life or death situation.....no comparison!!

cody6202000

What you're saying is you want us to deny our true beings and live according to *your* interpretation of your belief system, and anyone else's system, which may be more inclusive and understanding, can go pound sand?

If you don't agree with our wishes for equality, then no, even though you might say you do, you do *not* actually "love" us, because you would denigrate us in our wishes to self-actualize.

I always find it funny when these people who are out to "protect marriage" try to push the LGBT community back into the closet and into loveless relationships that are bound to fail. What sort of "protection" and "sanctification" is that? It's not going to lower the rate of marriage failure, nor will it lower the rate of STD transmission, because people are going to be sneaking around outside of prying eyes to find their physical pleasures, if that's what they're looking for!

lor70

Those of you who call us Christians intolerant, are the most intolerant!! You continue to push your agenda on us and for the most part we take it!! But the minute we stand up for our beliefs we get jumped on and frankly I'm tire of it!! Most Christians are good people who would help a fellow man no matter what! But we cannot go against our faith and say that the homosexual lifestyle is ok!! But you expect us to change because the world says it's ok?! I'm not going to argue about this anymore because I don't feel that we will ever see eye to eye on this, however, this is a church and the church has a right (so far) in this country to stand on it's belief system!! Again, he signed the contract, he broke the contract simple as that!!

cody6202000

Funny :) You know what my agenda is? To be able to live my life with the person I'm attracted to (much like you already can), to be able to make that relationship formal under the eyes of the CONSTITUTION (like you already can), to not have to worry about what might happen should he have health issues in the future (much like you can), to go out and grab dinner a couple nights a week at a fast-food joint (much like you), and to spend two nights a week kicking everyone's tail at the bowling alley (well, maybe *that* is one that is strictly me, but hey!)...

Also, though, our "agenda" (and you show your bias when you use such a loaded word ) is to be able to say to the world that I have a partner without the fear of having the ever-loving snot whacked out of me by people who have listened to the tenets of YOUR belief systems for so long that it is an imbued part of their being! THAT is my "agenda" that you're acting so petulant about...

Why *should* we be tolerant of people who, indirectly, are responsible for all of the bias crimes and the legislative acts that have been passed in nations such as Russia and Nigeria? Intolerance of intolerance is NOT intolerance!

lor70

True Christians do NOT act like that! and I am truly sorry that you have ever had that happen to you...because believe it or not, I don't think that you should be beaten or killed because you are gay! God loves you and does NOT want that for you either! People who do that are not Christians...they may say they are, but they aren't! Do you believe in God?

cody6202000

Sorry, nope! I rejected religion of my own accord at the age of ~12-13 when I started critically thinking about the situation. (And, coming from an evangelical Lutheran family? It never was met with 100% acceptance, so I've heard *all* the arguments.) Then, coming out at 18 and understanding just what the world felt about me (at the time) only solidified my worldview.

Nemesis

"What you're saying is you want us to deny our true beings"

No, he's saying that he wants you to refrain from engaging in certain activities for which you have a strong affinity. Just like other churches want their adherents to refrain from drinking alcohol.

John Harville

Read your catechism - as rewritten under protect-pedophile-priests and soon-to-be saint John Paul II.
The Church allows homosexuals to be practicing Catholics with all the Sacraments. It's the same with heterosexuals. Either, however, who engages in sexual relations outside marriage is guilty of the sin of FORICATION.
SCCC by its actions is accusing these men of FORICATION although no one has made an allegation they are unchaste.
The Cathechism does NOT call homosexuality a sin. It does not even say it is a matter of nurture vs nature.

John Harville

"sin is sin!!"

And you'll be casting the second stone? Melody already cast the first - and folks are worried you'll check into her past.

sugar

I'm not liberal and I think it sucks.

gyrocartfluffikins

Rest assured, the Register is going to wring every possible drop of water out of this rag with the hope that their stories on the issue get as many links as possible. They're hitching their wagon to it.....if not promoting it/keeping it in the news themselves.

If they can promote a liberal viewpoint at the same time, well they'll view that as a bonus because that's how they roll. But, first and foremost it's about money, not news. Pretty obvious since they're doing a story that is about people who commented on their stories....

starryeyes83

Agree,

SR beating the gay agenda and the shooting saga are two of the reasons I dropped my hardcopy (my only one) subscription. The other was my budget.

freethinker1

Wrong, JMOP. If you're a teacher, and you've been fired, you'll never get hired again. With anywhere from 50-100 job applicants, you have no chance. His teaching certificate is good in Ohio only, and in Ohio, there are no protections against workplace discrimination for gays. So, in Ohio, he has even less chance of being hired for a teaching position.

This case has huge, national interest, so of course, the Register is going to report on it. At the end of the day, the school is using the Bible as an excuse for discrimination. Jesus wouldn't have approved.

Unassumer

so instead of sticking up for someone's right, let's just sweep this under the rug and let the catholics win. majority rules? b. s. all of you 'go alongs' that let atrocities like this happen daily, let employers have rights but not the employees, you are the problem with this country. new rules are being made daily to take away people's rights and privacy and you all say it's okay, they had a right to do this and it's time to move on are contributing to the hypocrisy. maybe what you were taught growing up is not right; maybe what you believe is a lie. but you won't even consider that because it might rock the boat. one day you're going to fall out of that boat and drown. the Register is not 'playing this way too much'. it's a valid controversy and an infringement of rights. firing someone because of their sexual preference and personal beliefs is wrong and you people that think god is only on your side had better wake up.

Gyro Cart Guy

By my count, this is the third article on this. The Register is after clicks and advertising dollars. I suggest we will see a few more articles on this to keep them coming.

Further, anytime someone googles the popular phrase "Glory Days of Band", this article will pop up. I did hear that the Perkins and Sandusky bands were planning a combo performance, perhaps St. Mary could join. That would truly inspire the Glory Days of band.

gyrocartfluffikins

Gyro Cart Guy....nice handle by the way. Perhaps we could meet at the cart for a delicious, nutritious gyro. I would invite sugar, freddy and all those commenting here. Share a gyro and some love.

I believe the "Glory Days of Band" were actually when they wore those big 18" high furry hats like the palace guards in London. That, and when Van Halen had a hit with "Jump" on their hands there was no better time for bando's. I've heard the joy of hitting the high notes on your clarinet at the point where David Lee Roth yells JUMP!!! is worth all the hard work.

sugar

Gyro I am sure you have had so few social situations of any substance that inviting me in my big fluffy hat would be the highlight of your life. People like you are unimpressive. Sandusky is a small pond...... Oh and I will continue to post. who calls themselves gyro anyway???? lol

gyrocartfluffikins

How dare you sir. How dare you criticize the combination of lamb's meat and cucumber sauce that so many Sanduskians have come to love just as much as they love the "glory days of band" that my internet adversary Gyrocartguy mentioned.

Why can't you just let people live their life the way they want to live it and eat the delicacies they enjoy without being judged by others. I don't have a contract to eat gyros and only gyros, but I choose to do so because the gyro is our greatest food (in my...and apparently others....opinion). Just let us live our lives, suga.

sugar

You're kinda gross. Try another tack this is NOT working for me. Tata

John Harville

"...and eat the delicacies they enjoy..."
Because there are churches who decry certain 'delicacies' - pork, lamb (after all, Jesus is The Lamb of God), beef, anything that chews a cuda, shellfish...

sugar

lol

sugar

One of those great high schools teach you how to count too??? wow

John Harville

HOWEVER... IS THE CONTRACT A VALID BINDING INSTRUMENT?

How ironic if the Diocese once again (as it did following the 2004 lawsuit) has to completely revamp its legal standing and its contracts.

It could happen.

cody6202000

It's a big story because Huron and Erie counties have never had to face a gay-rights crapstorm like this before. We've been under the thumb of regressive politics for such a long time that we've never had to actually experience what it's like to see the LGBT community showing solidarity against the entrenched anti-gay forces.

gyrocartfluffikins

This dude who's running the blog is an alum of SMCC? Who knew.

Plus, I thought he resigned his alumni status the other day, or did I misread that? Given that, I suggest he self-identifies as an alum of some other school. Pick one. Any one. Please.

whattheBucks

The writer of this article is also a smcc alumni. Which is fine, what I find crazy is that so many people are turning on their strong catholic religion beliefs for a nice guy who has been living a lie the day he signed his contract. Bottom line is that his homosexual lifestyle is more important then his catholic religions beliefs, St. Mary's, and the students who liked him so much. Hopefully his replacement will be one who better suites the catholic religions beliefs. And puts his faith and their faiths beliefs ahead of their own beliefs.

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Alissa Widman Neese

Yes, whattheBucks, I did graduate from SMCC. 

But although I'm an alumna of the school, I am also the Register's education reporter, and I do not consider doing my job "turning on my religion." 

If this happened at any other school, I'd cover it all the same. Feel free to contact me directly at widman@sanduskyregister.com if you have any questions about my coverage.

whattheBucks

Alissa, please go back and read my post and let me know where I accused YOU of turning on your religion ? Did you sign the petition ? Are you in agreement that openly gay people should be teaching students at St Marys ?

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Alissa Widman Neese

I guess I misinterpreted your post then. I apologize. I felt it necessary to respond because you're not the first person who's addressed whether I graduated from the school, so I wanted to go on the record and say it's true. Nothing more.

No, as the reporter covering this story, I obviously did not sign the petition.

whattheBucks

Alissa , i enjoy your stories, youre young and you really do have a great future ahead of you. Much respect to you (and your parents)

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Alissa Widman Neese

Thank you, I appreciate it!

God Of Thunder

Whatthebucks.....How can you say he was living a lie from the day he signed the contract? The school knew all along he was gay and had a partner. Apparently that was ok until they announced wedding plans. Then, oh no....Time to pull the double standard card that the catholic church always pulls.

whattheBucks

Thunder, I can say that because HE knew his lifestyle and HE knew what his contract said. And from that day forward he was lying, please understand that if the school knew he was gay when hired ( which I believe they did ) then they are just as guilty. I agree that the catholic church pulls the double standard card all the time, and that it should have never been OK from the start.

John Harville

'lifestyle'? Has anyone said he/they were engaged in a lifestyle? Even the Catechism does not condemn homosexuality - however, as for ALL Catholics regardless of sexuality, engaging in the 'sexual aspect' of the lifestyle is the mortal sin of FORNICATION.

Is that what many of you - and the SCCC - are saying. Are you accusing him of fornication? On what basis?

However, looking at the employee list, I know three of the teachers and one member of administration openly are living in adultery (as defined by the Church) and the Administration has to know it. Yet still they teach.

Nemesis

You've been very quick with all these veiled references to other teachers and administrators who are supposedly in violation of the contract, but I have yet to see any names. Truth is an absolute defense to libel claims, so if your facts are so solid, of what are you so afraid?

sugar

Are you kidding???? Shut up.

John Harville

One can resign from active alumni/alumnae status.
Once you attend you are an alumnus/alumna.

...even if you didn't graduate or otherwise take a diploma.

SKULLNBONES

It's really encouraging to hear of so many people sticking up for a man who simply wants respect and recognition for his loving relationship. So odd that the Catholic church chooses bigotry over dignity, and hurting over loving, when doing so is so un-Christian. It's as if that church is gripped by satanic forces,or as if it's just self-destructive. Jesus never intended for Christianity to be expressed in elaborate dogmas or in mind control. He simply favored love over all else.

Kingsin

You're all-loving Jesus does not exist. He is a figment of your imagination. Go back and read of the TRUE Jesus as presented in the Gospels- and look at what He said in it's TOTALITY- not by cherry picking a verse here and there, or by taking verses out of their context to fit your imagined perceptions of how Jesus "should be".

cody6202000

Speaking of "cherry-picking"...nailing the gays to the wall for a couple "gotcha" verses, but not using the same Levitical Holiness Code in its entirety?

Whoops!

Nemesis

The "Holiness Code" which is more accurately called the Ritual Cleanliness code, does not apply to anyone but the Jews.

John Harville

So the Catholic Church wrote its OWN code?
I'm asking, because Jesus never said anything about homosexuality.

But Jesus DID say "I command you to love one another as I have loved you." Not ask, not suggest - COMMAND.

And he forgave the woman who had known many men.

Unassumer

absolutely.

observer

The Roman Catholic church is one screwed up organization. However, I support them on this one.

John Harville

All these Catholics on here spouting their interpretations of the Bible are exactly the reason people who wanted to read the Bible for themselves were burned at the stake. Bring on the 21st Century Inquisition... after all the 16th Century one was one of the 'brighter' centuries in Roman Catholic history.

John Harville

You support the Church in requiring employees to sign a contract that requires each one to sacrifice the Constitutional right of FREEDOM OF SPEECH? The contract says 'publicly' indicating any position opposite that of the school/Church on in-vitro, birth control, surrogacy - and many more MAY result in serious action.
So you are on record as supporting denial of basic Constitutional rights in order to teach at SCCC?
What about the Catholic administrator in one of the Sandusky Catholic churches whose Catholic-baptized child was conceived in-vitro?

Nemesis

Gotta love it when people spout off about the Constitution without understanding the first thing about what it is. The First Amendment, like the rest of the Constitution, is a set of limitations on what GOVERNMENT may do, not on private entities.

EVERY employee waives the exercise of certain constitutional rights in exchange for such consideration as a paycheck.
The Constitution guarantees the right to go where one pleases, when one pleases, but an employee may be required to be in a certain place at a certain time as a condition of employment. Free speech? Try setting up a blog about how terrible your employer is and see how long you keep your job.

We all waive various rights under limited circumstances in exchange for various perceived benefits. You remind me of the people who buy a condo and then scream about their rights when the condo association won't let them put something on the front lawn. They signed away some of their property rights when they bought in exchange for having someone else handle the yardwork, etc.

John Harville

'Property rights' do not compare with Constitutional rights.
And again, you are wrong.
The Constitution defines what the Federal Government may do.
The Bill of Rights was a limitation on what Federal government may do but, by implication places responsibilities on all other governmental agencies to protect the individual.
However, the Constitution provides a means through the remaining amendments for the federal government to restrict actions of the states and to give rights to ALL persons.
I guess you are saying if your 'condo association' says its residents agree to support the Association when it passes regulations against allowing rental/purchase by non-Caucasian, LGBTQ, unmarried roommates - then said signors may not take a 'public' stand against such restrictions?

sugar

He gotcha there Nemesis. lol

Babo

Right to property and right to enter into contracts are constitutional rights. You have the hallmarks of a sociopath; no objective moral code and no respect for the rights of other people.

MBR

"All Sandusky Central Catholic School employees sign a contract stating they will live a lifestyle according to the Catholic faith."

(1) Can someone please clarify how exactly this is presented in the contract? Is it a blanket statement, are specifics listed, etc.?

(2) What are current students doing about this situation? Are any of them taking action?

Unassumer

living a lifestyle according to the catholic faith can be interpreted differently by many. some believe women should not use birth control. others believe that being gay is wrong. whatever you believe, you cannot be a good christian and discount others at all. you cannot say we all must believe as you do or be shunned. it's hypocrisy at its highest level. really you should do some research on the bible and the catholic religion to see it for what it really is: hogwash.

Nemesis

"whatever you believe, you cannot be a good christian and discount others at all. you cannot say we all must believe as you do or be shunned. it's hypocrisy at its highest level. really you should do some research on the bible"

Maybe YOU should. The Bible is very clear that you SHOULD shun those who are apostate. It is very clear on expelling those who are not in accord with the beliefs of the church.

John Harville

Please give New Testament citations to support your 'shun' statements.

Where is it very clear on expelling?
Be specific or I'm going to insist this post be taken down as blatantly false.

huronguy

think again and lor70 said it all for me.

Bottom Line

Completely agree. He violated the terms of his contract/morals clause. So he was no longer welcome. So very simple.

MBR

"All Sandusky Central Catholic School employees sign a contract stating they will live a lifestyle according to the Catholic faith."

Can someone please clarify how exactly this is presented in the contract? Is it a blanket statement, are specifics listed, etc.?

John Harville

AND AGAIN I say.... is the contract/language valid/legal? THAT is the 'bottom line'.

Nemesis

"AND AGAIN I say.... is the contract/language valid/legal? THAT is the 'bottom line'."

Gee, John, you're the one who's spouting all over the place about Constitutional Rights - one of the basic ones is freedom to contract as one pleases.

John Harville

Where is THAT in the Constitution?

You don't like to make citations, do you?

sugar

He's killing you nemesis!

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liz garland

I for one congratulate Sandusky Register for keeping this story in the News! There is an overwhelmingly large LGBT community in Sandusky (for such a small town) but yet there is also an overwhelmingly large conservative, religious community opposing and fighting them every step of the way. It is sickening in today's day and age that Sandusky continues to be as pretentious in its conservative beliefs! Many would sooner ignore the fact that an LGBT community exists and flaunt their religion and morals like a peacock! Sadly, there is also a large concentration of LGBTs in neighboring Fremont but 'many' of them are married, engaged, closeted for pure fear of their religion and 'moralistic' pretension that surrounds them. Attention must be paid. These stories need to be told! We can't let fear and pure ignorance overrun our media. Expose the morals of the church for what they are. Expose Sandusky and Fremont's pure ignorance of LGBT issues. Let us learn 'together' from this and become a much more enlightened and progressive community! Love is love...no matter if it's male and male, female and female or male and female.

Kingsin

I don't know Liz- what does your "much more enlightened and progressive community look like?" Will it be men in thongs sporting sex toys - and women completely naked walking the streets like in San Fran? Will it be open sex acts during LGBT parades like in San Fran? And you dare talk about the "low morals of the Church"- give me a break... Your little dream world is one of total debauchery.

holysee

debauchery INDEED!
Pope wears prada. Devil wears prada.
Catholic church has no moral ground, just more BS like we've had for hundreds of years. See what I mean?
I went to catholic church and the priests were absolute alcoholic creeps.

Kingsin

Did I ever say I was Catholic?

John Harville

Why not? It should be a really great sight what with all the open-carry guntoters with their AK47s strapped on and the DD guys with their heavy beards and camo and guns and the holyrollers thumping their Bibles on street corners and the TeaBaggers with their Obama/Hitler posters and teabags stapled to their hats and their snaky flags of rebellion... Bring it all.

Donegan

Marching to the Marxist tune again? AK47's are a soviet weapon, Thats the weapon the leftist used to murder millions. Don't you know your own history?

John Harville

And the pictures just were posted on FOX NEWS of men with the guns strapped on their backs walking into a bookstore with children.

If I cited the wrong weapon, so what? The point remains that we should not be shocked by sex toys and thongs etc. when we sit in a bar with guys wearing their open-carry guns and their barely C/C weapons.

cody6202000

So, should we start rescinding rights and privileges to all the hetero community because there are a few who like to practice BDSM and since most of those who commit child sexual abuse identify as hetero?

Ohio isn't Folsom Street Fair, KS, and I highly doubt it will *ever* be. Holding an entire community accountable for the actions of a few of the outliers shows nothing more than anti-gay animus.

John Harville

Cunnilingus also is 'against Catholic Family Values'... something for which I can't imagine any homosexual being indicted.

freethinker1

I agree with Liz. As with every other attempt to gain equal rights for a minority group, conservatives always are on the wrong side of the argument. They were against civil rights for minorities, equal rights for women, and equal rights for the LGBT commmunity. They are unable and/or unwilling to show empathy for anyone who isn't "like them".

It's sadly telling that conservatives are only able to show empathy when someone in their immediate family identifies as one of those minorities (Dick Cheney w/gay daughter, Rob Portman w/gay son). Until it becomes personal, they can be counted on for a "hand in the face"... Jesus absolutely would have been a Liberal/Democrat, you know?

Donegan

Against civil rights?
Civil rights Bill- Democrats filibustered the thing.
Equal rights for women-Democrats across the board tried to kill suffrage.
Equal rights for the LGBT community- Clinton signed DOMA.
Please read some history, Your bias is showing.

PirateBacker1975

You're right, Donegan, but you're smart enough to know that the Democratic party was very different back then (other than when Clinton signed DOMA - we'll get to that). If my history class memory hasn't failed me, the modern Democratic party didn't really form until the mid-1920's and didn't hit it's stride until FDR was elected president in the '32 (maybe '34?). During the 60's, the South was still strongly Democratic, but the politics of the South were still very corrupt and very conservative. It was these Southern Democrats that filibustered the Civil Rights Bill (in fact, at this time I believe Strom Thurman was still listed as a Democrat!). Your facts are correct, but I have a feeling that you know the history behind them.

Clinton's signage of DOMA into law was strictly a politically-based decision, and one that he regretted. He was afraid of losing his re-election if he didn't sign it after the uproar of Don't Ask Don't Tell." And don't get me wrong, I love Clinton, but I don't agree with "selling out" in order to get re-elected. Since then, and maybe out of guilt for signing the bill into law, he has led the charge of equal rights for the LGBT community.

Donegan

I do know the history behind my statement Obviously a blanket statement by the one I was responding to is factually inaccurate and the spin does not fit. As for civil rights, This admin defends not only domestic spying But the killing of citizens without trial.(Bush made a lot of these policy's yet Obama has renewed or stregnthened them) As for Clinton and DOMA, Clinton put politics in front of citizens rights. This in my view puts him in league with some of the worst you could name. Maybe it is time for the apologist and attackers from these two parties to find a new party that defends civil rights instead of legislating them away for the sake of political survival.

sugar

DOMA was repealed.

Donegan

It would never have had to be repealed if Clinton did not sign it. So much for the "Democrats are for civil rights" Idea. Maybe if people would quit electing the same two parties that create the mess they would not have to use those same messes as talking points about what they want to fix huh?

John Harville

Clinton signed DOMA with a Republican Congress which had a veto-proof majority.

Donegan

His name is at the bottom. Get a clue.

cody6202000

So people can't change? Simply saying "he signed it" misses the point that "cultures change, and people change: we're not all static." Like it was mentioned earlier, and was clearly deflected: the culture 20 years ago was repulsively toxic for LGBs, with a marriage-equality approval rating of 20%, at best. Had Clinton been as progressive on the idea of integration of LGBT persons into the military as he wanted, it would have been the death knell to his political career.

In short, we were pretty much persona non grata to the general public (what with coming off the HIV crisis just a bit more than 10 years prior) and the lack of really good academic research on the communities...there was really nothing to use to beat back the misinformation.

Donegan

Lets take a quote from the original post I was responding to. "They were against civil rights for minorities, equal rights for women, and equal rights for the LGBT commmunity." Please explain how this is correct?
That fact is Clinton with DOMA put his personal political carrer above that of citizens. Anyone who respected the citizens would not have signed that trash for all the elections on the planet if they were serious about wanting equal rights. It is weird to see those who proclaim how much the Democrats are for civil rights defend Clinton and his signing of that. Guess you have yet to learn that THEIR political agenda and careers are worth more than the citizens they supposedly work for. Get a clue and quit defending politicians based upon party. It sicking.

cody6202000

Again, like I said: twenty years ago, *nobody* was in our corner. Equal marriage was at 20%, at best, having an LGBT teacher was probably not much higher, if that, and voting for an LGBT official was similar. So, even as hackneyed and as regressive and regrettable as it looks today, even a compromise that is clearly unconstitutional today was more than the alternative(s) that were available back then.

(I mean, back in the early-to-mid 1990s, we were still in the throes of the Moral Majority's values-push, and they had a disproportionate stranglehold on the levers of power for their size. It's how I always respond when people say that gays have some sort of "pull" in the legislature: how can we both be so strong as to effect legislation, but so weak as to still not even be able to get protection as with other minority classes?)

Donegan

20 years ago there was and still a party that is for everyones equal rights. Why vote for a party that has put the LGBT community's rights on hold for political expediency? That's voting against your own freedoms. There are more than two parties, Might want to start checking into them.
People say i throw away my vote by voting third party, I vote third party (Always have)to break this revolving door of the two parties dictating what rights the people have, ALL of the people.

cody6202000

I *almost*, ALMOST voted for Gary Johnson or Jon Huntsman last election cycle...

I read *plenty* about 3rd-party candidates, and loved what Huntsman was having to say about issues...

But, with how Ohio is? I wasn't gonna take a chance.

Donegan

A chance at what? One party that wants to dictate to you who you can marry and who you cannot or the other party who wants to dictate to you who can marry and who you cannot? One has proven it does not like civil rights for the LGBT and the other has done the same for the sake of political expediency. I'm sorry, If you do not feel strongly enough about your rights to buck the trend and vote for those who have proven they are for citizens rights and less encroachment then you must reserve the complaining till you do. Face it you put a party in front of your own rights. You in essence approve of them playing with your god given rights to love and marry who you want by relecting them time after time after time. You do realize people call others sheep because they stick with the herd instead of standing out for themselves.

cody6202000

A protest vote, in my mind, is one that is a waste for the sake of one's own peace of mind. And admit it, voting outside the two-party system in a national election, in this current age, is nothing more than a protest vote.

And I don't accept protest votes. You might *feel* better about it when you go to sleep, but it's not going to effect any legislation any time soon.

Donegan

And that's the reason you have no right to complain when you lose your rights. Maybe if the LGBT community banded together and quit voting in the same two parties 20 years ago DOMA would have never been signed and they would be treated as equal citizens without having to fight tooth and nail for their constitutional rights that are already guaranteed. Thats the problem with people these days, They are afraid to buck the norm with the excuse "It will not make a difference". Every vote counts is what they say, Guess you and alot of others have not got that memo.

Nemesis

"voting outside the two-party system in a national election, in this current age, is nothing more than a protest vote."

And that is an excellent example of a self-fulfilling prophesy. If everyone who was dissatisfied with what the two factions of the single bi-factional ruling party had to offer and who thought like you do could muster the courage to actually vote their conscience, instead of gaming their vote to try and elect the lesser evil, the two party system would break wide open.

Cthulhu for president - why vote for the LESSER evil?

Nemesis

Wow, Harville, you're just FULL of false facts today. The Republicans never had a veto-proof majority during Clinton's tenure.

Honestly, do you just pull this stuff out of your backside to suit the moment?

John Harville

Yeah... confirms your statement - those Dixiecrats were conservatives...as were the Democrats who fought the 13th Amendment... and the Congressmen who referred to the 16th president as "Abrahamus Afrianus".
You failed to mention Conservative Dems fought Social Security
Please, read some history.

ladydye_5

I still wonder if ALL the other "SINS" are being fired also....oh, sorry forced into resignation. You know, the adulterers, divorcees, birth control users, pre marital sex partners. What about the teens that commit such sins? Are they forced to leave school?

John Harville

You mean all those teens masturbating away... or the heavy petters... or the ones with the tattoos?

fedup2

Bye, bye Mr. Panetta and your wife..err husband..time to move on!!

cody6202000

That's just a bit misogynistic, y'know?

John Harville

You need that t-shirt that says I Am A Bigot.

You know, the one with the snake?

bigbirdblue

These lyrics are by maklemore. The song is called same love. People need to read this. What is this teachin our children?? To be in the closet to get a job. How fair is that? I feel bad for our future children if this nonsense goes on. EQUAL LOVE FOR ALL

When I was in the third grade I thought that I was gay, 'Cause I could draw, my uncle was, and I kept my room straight. I told my mom, tears rushing down my face She's like "Ben you've loved girls since before pre-k, trippin' " Yeah, I guess she had a point, didn't she? Bunch of stereotypes all in my head. I remember doing the math like, "Yeah, I'm good at little league" A preconceived idea of what it all meant For those that liked the same sex Had the characteristics The right wing conservatives think it's a decision And you can be cured with some treatment and religion Man-made rewiring of a predisposition Playing God, aw nah here we go America the brave still fears what we don't know And God loves all his children, is somehow forgotten But we paraphrase a book written thirty-five-hundred years ago

If I was gay, I would think hip-hop hates me Have you read the YouTube comments lately? "Man, that's gay" gets dropped on the daily We become so numb to what we're saying A culture founded from oppression Yet we don't have acceptance for 'em Call each other faggots behind the keys of a message board A word rooted in hate, yet our genre still ignores it Gay is synonymous with the lesser It's the same hate that's caused wars from religion Gender to skin color, the complexion of your pigment The same fight that led people to walk outs and sit ins It's human rights for everybody, there is no difference! Live on and be yourself When I was at church they taught me something else If you preach hate at the service those words aren't anointed That holy water that you soak in has been poisoned When everyone else is more comfortable remaining voiceless Rather than fighting for humans that have had their rights stolen I might not be the same, but that's not important No freedom till we're equal, damn right I support it

We press play, don't press pause Progress, march on With the veil over our eyes We turn our back on the cause Till the day that my uncles can be united by law When kids are walking 'round the hallway plagued by pain in their heart A world so hateful some would rather die than be who they are And a certificate on paper isn't gonna solve it all But it's a damn good place to start No law is gonna change us We have to change us Whatever God you believe in We come from the same one Strip away the fear
Underneath it's all the same love About time that we raised up..

huronguy

That's great big bird that you get your morals and values from the rapper Macklemore. I guess if Macklemore says it's ok then it's ok.

whattheBucks

+ 1. That's why this country is so messed up, you got bigbird believing in rapper, others think if Oprah said it its gospel, or Dr oz, Dr Phil, Dr j, or even Dr pepper ! Everybody just believes what makes them feel good, what best suites them and their lifestyle

cody6202000

It's called "at least the ideas are getting promulgated to the culture at-large, instead of being swept back into the closet."

I don't really listen to new-type music, being a fan of 70s prog myself, but if we can get some modern-day straight allies to help with the fight for equality? Alls the better!

John Harville

Like your worship at the altars of Bill O'Riley, Shorn Manatee, Glenn Beck, Pat Robertson, Phil Roberston, FAUX News, et al?

Turduckenbreath

For what it's worth, the Methodists are not beyond this kind of problem either.

http://liberal-agenda.com/eighty...

God Of Thunder

Oh give me a break everyone...How did this turn into a liberal/conservative argument. Get off of it... This has nothing to do with politics, it has to do with the catholic church and their forever lasting double standards. It has nothing to do with politics...Here is my feeling....

I am not a Democrat. I am not a Republican. I am an AMERICAN and I want my country back!!!!

cody6202000

The problem is that many of the hard-right groups have co-opted these social wedge issues as a way of vote-getting-out. I've been following goodasyou.org, ThinkProgress, Advocate, and other LGBT blogs, and the number of "family values organizations" that the major conservative talkers have decided to hitch their wagons to is quite stunning.

In fact, two days ago, GoodAsYou reported that, in a few weeks, Rand Paul is going to be at the American Principles Project's big gala as a headlining speaker (APP is a spin-off of Maggie Gallagher's National Organization for Marriage). That's why it's apt to, in some ways, make this a left-right issue: the left-ish and and left groups are fighting back after about 40 years of legislative beatings by social "values" groups.

sugar

This young man showed more Christlike behavior in his 5 years with SCCS to the Catholic community here than I have ever witnessed. I am a Conservative, we are not all bigots, meeting Brian caused an awakening in me, of love and acceptance. The Catholic church is dying, they can't fill their Rectories with priests, their schools with nuns their churches with people, not because the world had gone "bad" or San Francisco as one said here because it cannot show the love and tolerance it demands we give it.

whattheBucks

Sugar, I have been reading your posts on all the different articles concerning this issue, you call for the head person to be fired for lying, you want Brian back ( who was lying ) you think you have a great say cause you pay tuition..you pay tuition so your child can get a "good catholic education" .. You yourself had a catholic education, then you turn around and tell top cop to drop dead ?? Your conservative but you want an openly gay person teaching at your catholic school which is against their beliefs ( never should have hired him) so the catholic church is dying, can't fill rectories, or your school, so your suggestion is to lower the standards and beliefs to get more people to come ? So Brian is a good guy and gay, there are a lot of nice people who are alcoholics, do drugs, sleep around, steal, etc..... Point being, its still not right. And yes I do believe that the world has gone bad because so many people, places, churches, schools, want to try and please everyone and not upset people cause they might get mad.

gyrocartfluffikins

Do you really want to engage "sugar"? That's a rabbit hole in Wonderland best left unexplored. Oh sure, I'd buy him/her a delicious gyro at the gyro cart, but based on what I've read the past few days there is no reason to engage in adult conversation.

Gyro Cart Guy

GCF, let's all agree to leave the Gyro Cart out of this. My philosophy regarding the succulent roasted lamb meat has always been "Don't ask, don't smell."

I always find myself fighting with you in these comments. For two people who share a love of cucumber sauce, we need to find common ground.

gyrocartfluffikins

See, there's the issue. I'm more enthralled with the warm, succulent pita bread and you're a cuke sauce "Guy". It's like cats and dogs living together. Never going to happen.

How about this....we meet at the cart some warm spring day, get our gyros and reminisce about the old days of downtown when a man could get a 10 cent candy bar at Jupiter and then walk across the street and be treated to one of the finest haberdasheries this side of London and Joseph Merrick.

sugar

Sounds almost erotic you two have a thing for each other???

gyrocartfluffikins

Sounds like somebody has some "sugar" for gyrocartfluffikins. You can't get enough of me, can you? Go ahead and admit it. It's OK. I'm used to it.

But I have to tell you, it seems you have an issue with erotic relationships based on your statement. You should be more Christian in your responses so as to not appear to be a hypocrite. If not, you can't roll with gyrocartfluffikins.

sugar

Can't spin it, you lose. It's like swatting flies. Save your feigned outrage at my "unchristian" like responses for the Gathering space, or the multi-purpose room.

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