Jones family sues Sandusky County Sheriff's office for $20M

"Immediately after the detonation of the flash bang devises, Bryan yelled out 'Why?' as (Jose and Mario Calvillo) fired shots into his head and body. At least four bullets penetrated Bryan. It is believed that death was not immediate. The (Cavillos) were so wild with delusions and anger that bullets were found in the walls and woodwork of the residence as well as in the body of Bryan." - From Jones family lawsuit against Sandusky County Sheriff's personnel
Sarah Weber
Oct 18, 2010

 

"Immediately after the detonation of the flash bang devises, Bryan yelled out 'Why?' as (Jose and Mario Calvillo) fired shots into his head and body. At least four bullets penetrated Bryan. It is believed that death was not immediate. The (Cavillos) were so wild with delusions and anger that bullets were found in the walls and woodwork of the residence as well as in the body of Bryan."

— From Jones family lawsuit against Sandusky County Sheriff's personnel

 The family of Bryan Jones is asking for $20 million in a wrongful death lawsuit filed against the Sandusky County Sheriff's Department.

Jones, 26, was shot to death by sheriff's deputies on July 11 in his Ballville Township home.

Jones' father, Tracy Jones, called 911 that day to report his son was drunk and had threatened to kill his mother and himself. When deputies arrived, Jones was passed out in the house.

Deputies assembled a tactical response team, led by brothers Jose and Mario Calvillo, and fired flash-bang grenades into the living room to disorient Jones. They entered the house and almost immediately encountered Jones, who deputies said raised his shotgun at them.

According to coroner's records, Jones was shot four times and died of the gunshot wounds.

It's not clear how many total shots were fired by deputies, but both Calvillos fired their weapons.

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The suit, filed in U.S. District Court, seeks damages for the wrongful death of Jones and for the emotional distress caused to Jones' parents by witnessing the events leading up to and including the shooting.

Tracy Jones pleaded for a non-violent end to the incident and told deputies there was no rush to get Jones out of the home, according to the suit.

Deputies arrived at the scene at 9:50 p.m.

"Bryan could be seen through the front widow, passed out on his own living room couch," the suit states. "For no justifiable reason, the deputy defendants decided to enter the residence at approximately 11:30 p.m. There had been no communication with Bryan. It was and is believed that Bryan did not know that the deputy defendants were then outside his residence."

The suit asks for $10 million in compensatory damages and $10 million in punitive damages. Dennis E. Murray Sr. and Donna J. Evans of Murray and Murray law firm in Sandusky are representing the Jones family.

Teresa Grigsby, an attorney with Spengler Nathanson law firm in Toledo, is representing Sandusky County in the suit. She did not return phone calls on Friday, so it's not clear if the county's insurance policy will cover the whole cost of the suit if the county is found liable.

The suit names Sandusky County, the Sandusky County Board of Commissioners, Sheriff Kyle Overmyer, Deputy Jose Calvillo and Deputy Mario Calvillo.

"The Board and County failed to produce sufficient funds for the (Sandusky County Sheriff's Department), forcing the sheriff to cut expenditures and to continue to use employees who were incompetent to perform the duties required of them on July 11, 2010," the suit states.

It faults the deputies for excessive use of force and Overmyer for failing to adequately hire, screen, supervise, train or discipline his deputies.

The sheriff suspended Jose Calvillo for 10 days in January and demoted him from road patrol to corrections for directly defying orders to avoid contact with his ex-girlfriend. The woman had a restraining order against him.

Because the late Sheriff David Gangwer reprimanded Jose Calvillo for failing to obey similar orders, the deputy's January demerit included a last-chance agreement.

He was allowed to continue to carry a firearm and stay on the tactical response team because of budgetary restrictions, according to the suit.

Mario Calvillo joined the Sandusky County Sheriff's Department in 2003 after he was fired from the Fremont Police Department. In his first few weeks on the job in Fremont, Mario Calvillo was convicted of an off-duty drunk driving offense, resulting in his termination.

Since the incident, both deputies have been transferred to corrections and are not permitted to carry a firearm until the case is closed.

A special prosecutor, Tim Braun, intends to present the case to a Sandusky County grand jury. He has said anytime there is a police shooting it's prudent to have an grand jury review the case for possible criminal charges.

 

Comments

mikel

blood money

it is a shame that people can find lawyers who can convince them that they no longer have to be held accountable for their actions.  this is wrong america!

stars and stripes

mikel,

You are 100% correct, it has to stop!!!!!!!!!

stars and stripes

First of all the law enforcement was called the because of a situation that could not be handled by the individuals that call 911.  This individual was going to kill the mother and himself, he was in a drunken stupor and laying on the sofa, law enforcement showed up, and took action they tried to disorient him, they entered the house and the individual pointed a shotgun at them, they done exactly the correct thing.

It is time that once someone breaks the law and officers are called, appropriate action must be taken immediately, I would like to know the rest of the story when it comes to the individual that threaten to kill his mother in himself.

It would be quite interesting if the family members were law enforcement and intered into someone's house and the victim had pointed a gun, what actions would they have taken?

If you do not want law enforcement to take action, Don't Call Them.

I am more inclined to think that this is going to be a quick grab on taxpayer dollars.

I would like to know the criminal background of the family, including Dad, Mom, and the Son, remember the fruit rarely gets far from the tree.

 

 

 

 

soldat

What a JOKE!  I really hope the County fights all the way and doesn't bend over for this crazy family.

dorothy gale

Twenty million is what it takes to relieve guilt?  Wow.  The son threatened the mother.  The son was intoxicated and in possession of a loaded firearm.  The father called the cops.  The cops did their job.  Now the family regrets calling the cops and wants to make a quick 20 million.  Will money bring their son back?  If they truly believe the deputies were in the wrong, wouldn't it simply be enough to prove that in a court of law and then watch as justice is served?  $20 million?!  This is just outrageous.

oldskool

This story is tragic.....a life was lost!  However, I agree with the statements posted!  When I first read about this story a while ago, well lets just say "Who didn't see this coming?"!  Some families are just this way! Sometimes it is cheaper though just to pay them off than spend our tax dollars.  I hope the county fights them though but it will be years before anything is settled! (Especially if hearings are held in the Sandusky County Court system - oh but that is a completely different news story!)

Julie R.

dorothy gale: I doubt if it was the family that chose the amount of $20 million. That amount more than likely came from the Murray attorneys.

This story also made me sick when I read it. If the young man was heard to yell "Why?" when he was first shot, it leads to doubts that he ever pointed a gun at the police officers to begin with. He probably didn't even know that the police were in the house. This is about as pathetic as that shooting in Bellevue.

Sam

Fact, this subject;  history of violence, under the influence of drugs & alcohol, threatened his own family who know files a lawsuit, pointed a loaded firearm at officers.  His family should be awarded for their loss of this individual, result $0.  Sandusky County should be compensated for the cost of the bullets. The only thing that is pathetic is the greed of the family.

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Another criminal case of the rootin’, tootin’, cowboy mentality police. Another death that could have been easily avoided. The victim, passed out on the sofa, didn’t even know the police were there. Why didn’t the police establish a perimeter and use a bullhorn to identify themselves? Then give him a chance to give himself up? If someone broke into my house when I was sleeping, you can bet I’d be reaching for a shotgun.   

Americans are in a far greater danger from their own police force than they are from foreign terrorists … The only terrorists most Americans will ever encounter is a policeman with a gun.   Yes, police officers are placed in dangerous situations that at times require immediate responses. But that doesn't excuse using more force than is needed to arrest someone. The lack of professional training leads to such fear-based responses, or treating citizens as enemy combatants. The lack of accountability is one of the reasons why police violence persists. Maybe having to pay out $20 million, will make the police more accountable for their actions.
Norma J-C

To think again, your tirade against the police makes me wonder if you're one of those the police has to deal with at some point. No matter, I'm just saying those who hate the police are those who break the law on a consistant basis and then blame the  police for putting them in jail.

This man held his family hostage and because of alcohol, did or did not comprehend the leathal outcome. It is his fault and no one else.

Lawyers generally sue for three times the amount that they hope to win. They get 1/3 of any amount won, the state gets 1/3 and the plaintiff gets whatever is left.

Survey...

BLAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA HA HA HA   HA HA HA HA HA   HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    WHAT EFEN JOKE!!!!    

These clowns cannot be for real???    This article belongs in the comics section! 

Sam - Like you said, Sandusky County should get compensated for the bullets used!!

 

HarleyHDdeuce

I sure hope the family is saving their welfare money to pay for the lawyers after they loose this case!  Sandusky County should send the family a bill compensating the sherrifs hourly rate to take this clown out. 

Imataloss

First, the Murray's should be ashamed. Business must  be bad.

Second, I truly hope that Sandusky County fights this to the end.  Do not SETTLE.  Settling empowers attorneys to file baseless lawsuits because they know they will get SOMETHING.  

I hope these people realize that although they don't pay Murray's an hourly fee, they do in fact pay the actual costs of this suit.  Murray's will charge them for every copy, stamp, deposition transcript, and expert witness.  So again, it costs the Murray's NOTHING to take a chance and file.  

 

   

Imataloss

First, the Murray's should be ashamed. Business must  be bad.

Second, I truly hope that Sandusky County fights this to the end.  Do not SETTLE.  Settling empowers attorneys to file baseless lawsuits because they know they will get SOMETHING.  

I hope these people realize that although they don't pay Murray's an hourly fee, they do in fact pay the actual costs of this suit.  Murray's will charge them for every copy, stamp, deposition transcript, and expert witness.  So again, it costs the Murray's NOTHING to take a chance and file.  

 

   

gene44870

Some how I thought the lawyers or so called lawyers , would come and grab at the chance to make a fast buck .Well I am not here to cast judgement on who was qwrong and who was right .

All I ask is that the readers on here is to leave the judgement to the court systems and out of this paper .I have my ideas about this story , but I am not going to say one way or another as all its going to do is just keep the crap frenzy going on and on

No matter what the out come , there is still going to be one dead man , and thats not going to change and no amount of money is going to change that .

I am sorry for the family that has lost someone , but just try and remember , your family called them {the sheriff }they didnt not just one day decide to come out and kill someone .

No one can really  say what happened that day or aht was in the mans mind , and may never know ,

And correct me if i am wrong , but did t the sheriff get a call the day before and took him out of the home and dropped him off in fremont ?and if so , wouldnt it have better for the family at that time , to turn in all the fire arms and not let him have chance to come and retrive them?

when you really stop and think about it , you have to wonder who is really to blame for this mans death.

So when you really stop and think about it , who is really to blame for this , the cops for doing there job , or does the fault fall on the family for not taken steps to avoid this , by taken the guns out of the house ?

Thats going to be one trial that I would lke to be at , cause I would like to know the answer to these questions ..

thinktwice

Passed out or passed out with a gun in his hand or by his side/within reach? Interesting to me to see what happens here. Lots to consider for boh sides I bet.

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Nobody need wonder any longer who is responsible for this man’s death. The answer is the ruthless, heartless, untrained, Calvillo brothers.

To gemini (no) logic, your tirade against the victim makes me wonder if you're one of those, who is in law enforcement or has a friend/relative who is. No matter, I'm just saying those who hate to give Americans the right to a fair trial are those who would rather see police treating citizens as enemy combatants and murdering them in their own homes.   No one was being held hostage, but what’s one more lie, besides “he pointed his gun.”   Bryan could be seen through the front window, passed out on his own living room couch.  For no justifiable reason, the Calvillo brothers decided to enter the residence. There had been no communication with Bryan. It was and is believed that Bryan did not know that the Calvillo brothers were even outside his residence.
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I like think twice and gene44870 attitudes, at least they have open minds.  I’ll also reserve my final opinion until after the trial.

starryeyes83

Here's an idea:

How about the county, City of Fremont and the taxpayers  SUE  the family , instead, for 20 million?   For having to put up with  all the trouble and BS  they have created over the years.     This was  "suicide by cop"  nothing more.   

Salvatore

 

"Immediately after the detonation of the flash-bang devises, Bryan

yelled out “Why?” as the Deputy Defendants fired shots into his head and body. At least

four bullets penetrated Bryan. It is believed that death was not immediate. The Deputy

Defendants were so wild with delusions and anger that bullets were found in the walls

and woodwork of the residence as well as in the body of Bryan."

This to me tells me that Bryan had no intention of "suicide by police" so that theory is shot down if this is true (Bryan yelled out "Why").   I have not read the entire lawsuit and don't know what is fact or fiction at this point of time. The facts of the case should unfold in court. My main concern here is the truth and nothing but the truth.

SamAdams

At first blush, some might be inclined to side with the police. Let's pretend for a moment that everything the police said about Jones aiming his shotgun at them. If that's so, police (understandably) would immediately fire in their own self defense. They'll get no argument from me.

But here's where the question arises: Jones held no hostages. He was apparently passed out on the couch (by all accounts). So why did the police choose to enter the home in such a violent manner? There was no danger to anybody at that point. The police could have waited until Jones woke up and proved to be (perhaps) in a more sober and rational state of mind. The police could have waited until Jones woke up and then called him to see if negotiations for his surrender were possible. Storming the place is always an option, but it shouldn't be the first, second, or third: It should be the LAST.

In this case, the storm trooper mentality of some police SWAT teams apparently ran rampant and, as a result, a man is dead. Was he innocent? Not even by his parents' account. Was he a nice guy? Doesn't sound like it. But since when are those things capital offenses? And I don't care HOW short of money a police department is: Men who've been relieved, with good reason, of the responsibility for carrying firearms most CERTAINLY should not be on a SWAT team!

I reluctantly admit that SWAT teams are becoming more and more a necessity for many police departments. But given their training and overwhelming fire power, team members should be comprised of men and women of sound judgment and experience. The failure to ensure at least that much of those who quite literally hold the power of life and death in their hands really is a failing on the part of the administrators here.

Is this kind of mistake worth $20 million? I don't think so, no. But from this account, it does sound like mistakes were made and realistically, they ought to be paid for. I'm no fan by any stretch of the lawsuit mentality held by so many (and egged on by almost as many greedy lawyers). Still, lawsuits exist for a reason. Perhaps this case is one of them.

silvereagle_1

an' this is a BIG surprise because why. that be one way to get off the welfare. maybe even some pre-planning.

Dr. Seuss

 If the police lose this lawsuit I will officially lose confidence in the justice system.  

queen

The police do not just show up at random homes with the intention of killing someone.  Their presence was requested by the family, indicating the situation was out of control and the family was in fear of their own son at that time.  If they felt he was harmlessly passed out on the couch, no call would have been made.  His own actions caused his death.  The parents need to accept the truth and stop trying to blame others.

Falcon1006

This is such a joke!!! This family is a POS. Why does the county have to pay 20M to a family whos son was nothing but a drug dealing alcoholic.

illuminoctis

I would like to know who the individuals on this forum are, that are making judgments based on something they were not even there to witness.

Were you on the forensic analysis and/or crime scene investigation team? Do you have anything more than your assumptions to base your rants on?

OK then, since we are exploring opinions here... What if the parents were the type of people who think drinking is the devil?.. So they exaggerate a little to the police to get some intervention which theyy feel is in their son's best interest.. and then an armed swat team shows up and suddenly the parents start pleading for restraint and claiming there is no longer any urgency to get him out of their house?.. Things are happening so fast and I dunno if i should admit to giving false statements to the police, etc etc.. Bryan is startled awake and yells out "Why?".. Did you ranters consider that? (along with all of the questionable background on the officers involved?)

The officers who are possibly guilty of wrongful death say "He raised his gun at us" and you guys are ready to vindicate them before a trial even proceeds.. Are you serious!?

Anyone who makes judgment calls on this before the trial is complete, either has some personal stake/agenda in doing so.. or they are naive, marrow-minded, tunnel-vision types.. Either way, they are incredible (that means not credible), and not worthy of holding public office (or to be in any form of leadership or guidance role).

"U FAIL.. GET OUT!"

Massengill Wins...

Seeing that the Murray's defend such a POS family....... I have decided not to vote for Mr. Murray in the upcoming election because it is very apparently that money talks and principle means absolutely nothing.  A convicted felon with illegal drugs in his system wielding a gun and the police were supposed to do what?  These people are trash and in this case....... somebody took out the trash!

illuminoctis

hm

starryeyes83

Oh,  please!!  IF  you all think the Jones' are the type of people who are against drinking, think again!!  They are well known for the exact opposite!  Hell, they more than enabled  their son  early on.

These people have been leeching off the system for decades.  The protests over in Fremont were held on the street corners with their little children... ie: cousins, neices,  nephews ( under age of 10) pointing  toy guns at passing cars.  Surprise, the Sandusky Register didn't report that little fact.  

  Ask anyone over there,  Better yet, think of the movie Deliverance   $20 Million??   HA!  that family isn't  worth a plug nickel.  

This family has a reputation for a reason  and  NOT a good one.   

Strum the banjos.

 

illuminoctis

i would not know : P

maybe you do. but i can't judge at this time.. and my comment was directed at people who are only going off of hearsay

edit: you sound cute btw : P

Massengill Wins...

Illuminoctis, you believe that only your opinion matters?  The general public doesn't know what they are talking about?  Here are some facts

1.  Bryan was convicted of a felony for shooting into a house that had people in it and people could have been killed

2.  As a convicted felon he is not allowed to be around guns (he and his family and friends ignored this law)

3.  The coroner found the entry wounds to be consistent with raised arms and also found cocaine in his system.

Those are just a couple of facts that help the rational public realize that this guy was a POS and most people agree that Karma had something to do with how this story ended. 

illuminoctis

I gave you a "what if" example of how people going off of hearsay might be jumping to conclusions..

Where did i say anything about having an opinion of my own, let alone saying it was the only one that mattered?.. 

I am saying i do not know what happened and anyone who wasn't there should not jump to conclusions because it is reckless..

And btw, having raised arms does not mean he pointed a gun at cops, dur.. what if he was just trying to put his hands up.. ya know.. like surrendering?.. i wonder why that was not the first thing you thought of upon hearing "raised arms"

So not only have you failed to make a valid argument against my post but.. you further make my point.

LookinUp

I don't know the Jones family or pretend to know exactly what happened in this case.  The sad thing is the truth of exactly what happened will probably never be known.  The police in any city can and will cover up whatever they want to make it seem they did the right thing reguardless.

Massengill Wins...

illuminoctis, thanks for clearing that up for us.  Who would have known that being a convicted felon on drugs carrying a gun and threatening to kill his mother is no indication of a person's character.  You have no problem suggesting that the officers involved may "may be guilty of wrongful death".  Yet you have a problem with people saying "he got what he deserved"?  Curious that you would question the actions of the offericers yet have no problems with what Bryan did that led up to the officers being called to the scene.  Wrap your mind around that one you mental midget!

illuminoctis

i guess it comes down to what is in your heart massengill...... i believe someone like him should not be walking the streets but should be re-educated and rehabilitated... (and not with the primitive methods and poor excuses for help they currently use).. and u think they should be executed.. i gotcha..

again... where did i ever say i have no problem with bryan??.. i take serious issue with the kind of person bryan was.. but i, unlike you, are leaving personal feelings and views about other issues like that and like paying the family money.. out of the question.. that just clouds your judgment on the issue at hand..

you need to forget about bryans past (just like you want to forget about the checkered pasts of the officers involved) and also forget about paying his family money.. and then u can make a clearminded judgment on whether or not the officer's are at fault.. NO WAIT!! u cant do that anyway, u were not there and do not know anything for certain about the case yet

Massengill Wins...

I just said that they should probably not do drugs and carry firearms while threatening to kill people.  I would say most people would agree that bad things could happen if you do that..  He had choices and clearly made all the wrong ones and he paid the price with his life which on the surface  appears  to be quite worthless and nonproductive.  Hardly a fair trade for the officers who now have to put their lives on hold to deal with the family of this loser who see this as their free ticket to the lottery.

illuminoctis

i am not saying they should get money either.. and if all the hearsay about this family turns out to be true, i would say they definetely should not get money even IF the officers made a mistake.. (i only mean that it is hearsay for me because i do not know them)

but i also think people should stop making definitive statements about whether the officers are at fault or are not at fault at the moment

 

silvereagle_1

i bet the Jones family is singing "Viva Las Vegas" right about now. i would also bet they probably got a lawyer to take "pro bono" if they DON'T win.

unjudgemental

My heart goes out to the Jones family. It seems as though there are definate issues in this case which are unresolved. The family deserves the truth, and it's hard to say that there aren't questions here that need answered for them. I truly wish them luck with getting closure of this horrible time in their life. It seems that the opinion of alot of people is that he was a troubled soul...but I still don't think that just because he had issues that he should have been shot to death. Especially if the above statements are in fact true. It sounds to me like he was suddenly and unfairly startled by the deputies, of course he would jump up...and of course he would be in a panic. I wasn't there and actually do not know any of the involved families. But lately...there is alot of this "murder with a badge" going on. So, to the family I say...good luck and please disregard the horrible things people are saying to you and about you. And most of all, please remember that your son, brother, grandson wasn't a bad person. He had a bad disease and there is a seperation between that disease and the people it affects. I say this from my own experience and unfortunately people on the outside judge only by what they know. I'm sure the real Bryan was a great man, who deserves justice as much as every one of you do!!! May God be there as well to help you keep the faith and know that Bryan will always be with you...

MontegoBay1

This lawsuit is a joke! THEY called the police because he threatened himself AS WELL AS his mother...so the police come in, it has been proven he raised his shotgun...so WHAT do you want the cops to do??? Negotiate with a shotgun pointed at them???  WOW!!!!  I know...how about you asked him nicely not to point the shotgun at them, I am SURE that would have made this drunk drop it, because we all know how alcohol makes people able to think clearly......if anyone awards these people with a dime it will be a travesty!!

00SEVEN

Somehow this doesen't surprise me that the law firm of MURRAT & MURRAT took this case. As usual the bottom feeders step up to the plate when there is a seven figure lawsuit at hand.. Most likely since the MURRAT won't be re-elected to state rep for another term he does what he does best, bottom feeder!!!

Julie R.

If anybody thinks this family isn't going to get plenty out of this, I'm afraid you're all going to be in for a big surprise.

mikel

drug abuser + alcoholic + criminal history of violence + gun + getting police called because you are drunk, high and threatning to kill your parents = nothing good ever comes out of this!

SMH-FML

How much money is this lawsuit going to cost the taxpayers ??? I'm guessing A LOT.

starryeyes83

See,   this all could have been avoided if the idiot judge would  have kept this pos in prison, where he belonged.

Oh, did the Register leave that info out ,too?

unjudgemental

SMH-FML....Maybe the elected official responsible for putting these two on duty with a gun should be held responsible. IDK...but it seems to me that the county will probably pay something. It seems fishy NO MATTER what the history of this young man was. And maybe this will open some eyes come election time.

Cowboy

Who cares what the little thug yelled out at the time of his demise.....he could of yelled out "I love Barney"  or "Sell my Cedar Fair stock" or "Do you have a light"  or "Let's have a party".  It does not matter!!!  HE HAD A GUN IN HIS LAP, POINTED AT COPS THAT WERE THERE TO TAKE CONTROL OF AN INTOXICATED SUBJECT WITH A GUN MAKING DEATH THREATS TO HIS FAMILY MEMBERS. His actions dictated the necessary response.  Police are taught "shoot to kill" if you have to discharge a weapon. 

COPSUPPORTER

SORRY TO SAY, THE FATHER CALLED 911, STATED HIS SON WANTED TO KILL PEOPLE AND WAS DRUNK/ON DRUGS AND HAD A GUN......UR GONNA ACT THAT STUPID THEN THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS.....THE PARENTS APPARENTLY MESSED UP WAY BACK WHEN WITH THIS KID - STILL COULDNT CONTROL HIM AGAIN, SO THEY CALL 911.....THE COPS FROM WHAT I HEAR AND READ - DID EVERYTHING THE WAY THEY ARE TRAINED TOO.....THEY REPSONDED TO A CALL OF A MAN WITH A GUN AND DRUNK...WHAT THE PARENTS THINKS GONNA HAPPEN....SHOOT HIM WITH A WATER GUN WHEN HE HAS A SHOTGUN..LOL COME ON PEOPLE WAKE UP, THEN THEY WANNA SUE THE DEPARTMENT...JEEZE THIS WORLD IS CRAZY.......HEY FAMILY JUST REMEMBER THAT WHEN THEY LOOSE MORE OFFICERS CUZ OF U BEING SUE HAPPY WHEN SOMEONE BREAKS INTO UR HOUSE OR SOMTHING ELSE HAPPENS AND TAKE TO LONG FOR THE "COPS" TO GET THERE......YOUR OWN DARN FAULT....GROW UP TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR UR SCREWED UP SON...SHOULDA DONE THAT YEARS AGO......I REEMMBER HIM FROM WAY BACK, HE HAS GROWN UP OR CHANGED AT ALL.......BUT AGAIN, SRRY FOR UR LOSE

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Woody Hayes

@thinkagain

It sounds like you have a problem with police. Sounds like you were on the wrong side of the law and the law won. My son is a police officer and if there is the slightest possiablity of a gun involved, I hope he is the fastest gun in the west and puts that person down. I suggest that the next time you need help, call the garbage department, maybe you can get the help you need.

Sam

Woody Hayes, great comments, I could not agree with you more!

afast4

"Slightest possiblitly of a gun involved"? Police officers sign up to protect us...some times from other people, some times from ourselves. Just because a gun is involved does not throw common sense out the window and allow them to shoot first, ask questions later.

Was this justiified? Who knows. Will this ever be over? Heck no, because regardless of the outcome of the investigation, someone's going to have their feelings hurt.

My opinion is this: The way the law is written, the police are not at fault. HOWEVER, just because deadly force is authorized doesn't mean its manditory.  I would like to see our police be professional handlers of situations. Take control, restore order and everyone goes home alive. Professional police officers should be able to check their adrenaline at the door and be masters of a situation. It's what they are paid to do, its what they should be trained to do. If you want some trigger happy hill billy's shooting up the place, I can find you those a lot cheaper than what our police are making. If you're going to cut these guys loose with the right to shoot anything that moves and "has a gun", we might as well hang the old Saloon signs out.

 

afast4

"Slightest possiblitly of a gun involved"? Police officers sign up to protect us...some times from other people, some times from ourselves. Just because a gun is involved does not throw common sense out the window and allow them to shoot first, ask questions later.

Was this justiified? Who knows. Will this ever be over? Heck no, because regardless of the outcome of the investigation, someone's going to have their feelings hurt.

My opinion is this: The way the law is written, the police are not at fault. HOWEVER, just because deadly force is authorized doesn't mean its manditory.  I would like to see our police be professional handlers of situations. Take control, restore order and everyone goes home alive. Professional police officers should be able to check their adrenaline at the door and be masters of a situation. It's what they are paid to do, its what they should be trained to do. If you want some trigger happy hill billy's shooting up the place, I can find you those a lot cheaper than what our police are making. If you're going to cut these guys loose with the right to shoot anything that moves and "has a gun", we might as well hang the old Saloon signs out.

 

afast4

"Slightest possiblitly of a gun involved"? Police officers sign up to protect us...some times from other people, some times from ourselves. Just because a gun is involved does not throw common sense out the window and allow them to shoot first, ask questions later.

Was this justiified? Who knows. Will this ever be over? Heck no, because regardless of the outcome of the investigation, someone's going to have their feelings hurt.

My opinion is this: The way the law is written, the police are not at fault. HOWEVER, just because deadly force is authorized doesn't mean its manditory.  I would like to see our police be professional handlers of situations. Take control, restore order and everyone goes home alive. Professional police officers should be able to check their adrenaline at the door and be masters of a situation. It's what they are paid to do, its what they should be trained to do. If you want some trigger happy hill billy's shooting up the place, I can find you those a lot cheaper than what our police are making. If you're going to cut these guys loose with the right to shoot anything that moves and "has a gun", we might as well hang the old Saloon signs out.

 

LookinUp

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Pastor Ron

I pray that the Lord Jesus heap blessings upon the Cavillo brothers in these desperate times.  It appears that they have already been bestowed the gift of marksmanship.  4 out of 6 shots taken were kill shots is nothing short of a miracle.  Maybe they should be given medals by the local Hutaree.  As far as the Jones family, you people are hedonistic sinners and you are not going to heaven and Mr. Murray you have lost my vote because you clearly have no sense of judgement if you would represent these parasites.

afast4

I'll tell you right now, Pastor Ron is no pastor, and is almost certainly not a man of God. A Christian who knows his Bible would know that only God himself knows a mans fate concerning heaven. And a true man of God would know that we all are sinners and fall short of His glory, and that only by faith are we saved from hell. God can save anyone, regardless of family history.

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POLICE BRUTALITY: A GROWING PANDEMIC   Americans are in a far greater danger from their own police force than they are from foreign terrorists … The only terrorists most Americans will ever encounter is a policeman with a badge, nightstick, gun, mace and Taser. A Google search for ‘police brutality videos’ turns up 660,000 entries.  A search on ‘You Tube’ alone turned up 92,600 police brutality videos.   The lack of accountability is one of the reasons why police violence persists.   Yes, police officers are placed in dangerous situations that at times require immediate responses. But that doesn't excuse using more force than is needed to subdue someone. The lack of professional training leads to such fear-based responses, or treating citizens as enemy combatants.    22-year-old Amadou Diallo, was killed when four police officers in plain clothes fired 41 shots at him, 19 of which hit his body. The officers said they thought Diallo was reaching for a gun when they shot him in the doorway of his apartment. Turns out it was his wallet. They were acquitted of all charges.    While surrendering on his knees in front of four Las Vegas police officers, Orlando Barlow is shot with an assault rifle by officer Brian Hartman from 50 feet away. Hartman argued that he feared Barlow was feigning surrender and about to grab a gun. Barlow was unarmed; a  jury ruled the fatal shooting was "excusable."    Just hours before his wedding, 23-year-old Sean Bell leaves the strip club hosting his bachelor party, jumps into a car with two friends, and is killed when police fire 50 shots into his vehicle, wounding his friends. Police say they opened fire after Bell rammed his car into an unmarked police van filled with plainclothes officers. A judge acquitted the officers of all charges.
Sam

think again-My guess is either a frustrated applicant for law enforcement, just couldn't make it or has a record with law enforcement.  His frustration shows.

Taxpayer

Please, PLEASE, I wish I could be selected for the jury for this CIVIL case.  I promise to convince the other's of the jury to make sure the family of Bryan Jones gets NOTHING.  In fact, I would vote the family PAY court costs on top of getting nothing.  You know the premise of "loser PAYS" for wasting time and trying to "gold-dig" the taxpayers.  This is all about "deep pockets" concept because they want to BLAME someone else for all their troubles and make themselve FEEL better.  "Yeah, lets PUNISH the sheriff's office for inviting themselves out on their own and KILLING Bryan.  Let's FORCE taxpayers and residents of Sandusky County to PAY UP!!"   Must be typical liberals.

Salvatore

Oy Thinkagain!!!  I like how you think!

Salvatore

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Pastor Ron's church.

In The Light

 

Taxpayer says “Please, PLEASE, I wish I could be selected for the jury for this CIVIL case.  I promise to convince the other's of the jury to make sure the family of Bryan Jones gets NOTHING.” I say that You are consistently one of the most self righteous persons that post on this blog. You pass yourself off as a law abiding citizen, a know it all about everything, and an expert on what others' intentions are, and/or you can mind read them. Oh, and since YOU are a “Taxpayer” you are entitled to say what you want about whomever you want!!!

Do you understand that inherent in your above statement is that YOU are saying that if you sat on the jury, the facts would not matter. In order for you to be selected for a jury you would have to lie about being impartial. Of course you would justify your lying because YOU know that they are only “gold-digging the taxpayers.” You then would be comitting Criminal behavior. Along with the other mess that you say is that it “Must be typical liberals.”

Can I surmise that your “logic” and your planned behavior of lying and mind reading “Must be typical” of whatever you call yourself (I would bet that would be conservative).

Let me tell you a secret, You Do Not Know What happened at the Jones family's house! You Were Not There!!

In The Light

 

afast4 and thinagain posts are very excellent and reasoned, something that is uncommon with many others. Too many go on a feeding frenzy against those persons that have been typed, by them, as undeserving. Woody Hayes and Sam both make comments about Law enforcement and how “thinkagain” is either “a frustrated applicant,” or has a “record” and thus should not comment about police actions. Sam is another “mind reader” in that he concluded that “My guess is either a frustrated applicant for law enforcement, just couldn't make it.” Can one guess that You “made it and that is why You could say that “His frustration shows”????

Woody Hayes feels that he has an insight about “thinkagain” because his Son is a police officer??

Since you did not offer any rationale for saying that it “ Sounds like you were on the wrong side of the law and the law won” do you know “thinkagain”?????

Who are you to “suggest that the next time you need help, call the garbage department”??? Maybe that is where your perspective about Professional Law Enforcement belongs, in the “Garbage”!!!!

Sam

In the Light, when you need help don't call law enforcement. Call a drunk, doped individual with a long history of violence that just threatened his own family and has a gun. You really are in the dark!!

LookinUp

In the light...............you know everything.  I suggest you put your tallents to good use instead of being on here!

Go away know-it-all

Woody Hayes

@ in the light:

Is the tin foil hat on a little too tight? 

LookinUp

In the light knows everything and loves to argue.  Possibly a relative of buffoon?

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In The Light – Thank you for your kind comments. Ignore the posters that are here only to heckle and jeer. They have no intention of using facts or reasoned discourse in a debate setting. 
In The Light

Yes thinkagain I agree!! The one way that you know when you are effective is when all that the "Ditto Heads" offer are their thoughtless, simple remarks! They try to rebut valid points with their simple babble, name calling, and finger-pointing!.

The one thing that I will not do IS GO AWAY!! I always find it to be interesting how their ilk do not want to be treated in the same manner as they treat others. When they receive it back they generally holler like a “Stuck Pig”!!! The proof of that is just look at the content of their responses.

What they fail to understand by our type of commentary is that they are entitled to say whatever as long as they can back it with “real” facts. I have never met anyone capable of reading someone's mind, determine things without being present, and determining one's intent without even talking to them!

Much of what they deal in is rumor, gossip, and character assassination. That is another reason why posts such as yours “IS A BREATH OF FRESH AIR”!!!!

LookinUp

In the light....take your breath of fresh air as one my nasty farts!

But don't do them "pigs"!   They'll squeel on you!

You know-it-all.  Wake up and go to sleep!

Woody Hayes

I see two new members of the Juliebeth Tin Foil Hat Club have reared their ugly heads. 

Julie R.

Hey Woody, did you check out that number I gave you yet? It's a matter of public record on file in the Erie County Recorder's office. After you check it out ask the Auditor or the Recorder where the Power of Attorney is.

QUIT-CLAIM DEED NUMBER 200202036.

Sam

What a surprise, Julie R off topic, HIJACK...........

Woody Hayes

Just like yesterday, blaugh,blaugh, wa, wa, blaugh, blaugh. 

Julie R.

So what did the Auditor & Recorder say when you asked where the Power of Attorney was, Sam? Did they say "Duh.......we don't know......those aren't even our numbers."  Duh.

Sam

Julie R, duh its still a HIJACK of the topic, not to mention giving your true identiity.............

Julie R.

You already know my true identity, Sam. Duh. 

Sam

Julie R and you are still disinherited as the recorders website indicated, duh............

mikel

No charges in Sandusky County fatal shooting
 

A special Sandusky County grand jury heard evidence but returned no indictments in the fatal shooting of a rural Fremont man. Bryan P. Jones, 26, was shot and killed by two members of the Sandusky County Sheriff's tactical response team. >>

 

i can't believe the register is behind on this story.

thank you to the individuals on the grand jury to use their common sense with this.  hopefully, this will go along ways and help shut down the frivilous law suit filed by the money grubbers.

Taxpayer

So, we have a SELF-ANOINTED authority here to "defend" a $20 MILLION dollar law suit filed in federal court against the residents of Sandusky County and the Sandusky County Sheriff's Department?  So once again it is the BLAME that deputies INVITED themselves to this party and decided on their own to kill someone?  They decided before their shift, they were going over to the PARENTS' home of Bryan Jones and they carefully planned they were going to end his life?  All you are doing is following the typical reporting of the Sandusky Register in "demonizing" law enforcement.  It is ALWAYS the agenda to check the finances, work record, health record, any family court record and anal exams of ANY LE officer involved in anything.  You are trying to fall in line with cheap investigative reporting.  WHY?  Because it is not politically correct to say ANYTHING about the suspect, only LE.  This case is going to be heard in the U.S. District Court for Northern Ohio and the jury will be pulled from all the residents, including Erie County.  I again plead to be chosen for this case.  I know I can convince the other jurors what a total joke the SR is in their agenda AGAINST law enforcement and the total falacy and NO merit to this complaint.  It is too bad Bryan Jones decided on his own as an adult with rational CHOICE to live, act and behave in this manner.  But, it is NOT the BLAME of law enforcement or the residents of a county.  It all about trying to BLAME and FORCE people to pay out because of deep pockets by a county.  I love the premise, "We could not do anything for him, but we need to BLAME everyone else."  So, in order to make yourselves FEEL better, let's FORCE the people to PAY.  Yeah, it is everyone else's fault this tragedy turned out this way.  Works every time. 

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Tracy Jones pleaded for a non-violent end to the incident and told deputies there was no rush to get Jones out of the home.   "We wanted him to go into detox or something like that. That's what we called for - help. And now they murdered my son. You don't shoot somebody sleeping six times. It's just wrong."   Defend the right of the Gestapo to break down your door and murder you in your sleep if you must. It’s your right to do so, the Nazi’s had their supporters also…
Sam

thinkagain, Doped, drunk, history of violence with a gun and an alleged family that clearly failed getting him help in the past and now wants a pay day.  Your village is looking for you.

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Sam say: Doped, drunk, history of violence with a gun and an alleged family that clearly failed getting him help in the past and now wants a pay day.     Sorry, I don’t see anything in your post that warrants execution. The Nazi’s are calling you.
Sam

thinkagain, its not execution, its a law enforcement officer taking the appropriate self defense action against a dangerous drunk, doped armed subject who could kill them.  The officer has every right to go home at night.  Your Nazi comments reveals much about your limp wristed bias and agenda.  Your village has decided not to look for you, you fall below their standards.

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I am a supporter of the police and a yearly donor to the Police Athletic League. There are good and bad in all institutions. To blindly defend or refuse to admit the possibility of any error in any police action is not wise.  
Sam

thinkagain, your type of support leads to law enforcement widows.

sweetcheeks

This is utterly ridiculous!!!! They call 911 for help, get help in an unfortunate matter because of their DRUNK son, then want money because their DRUNK son got stupid!!!! They should not get a dime. In fact maybe the family should seek counselling for being nutcases~!!

Woody Hayes

@thinkagain:

I hope the PAL uses the yearly donation you give tward toilet paper, it would be gladly used and people could think of you as they use it. 

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Sam – You’re right execution is probably the wrong term. That definition usually implies a government sanctioned killing after a trial by ones peers. The word I should have used is murder.  Thanks!
Woody Hayes

@thinkagain:

Being the father of a police officer, I have to ask, do you actually belive the comments that you make? For him to protect people like you, maybe he should have gone into computers insted of law enforcement.

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Woody Hayes –Sorry, but I’m going to answer your question with a question. Do you actually believe never in the history of the Police, has there ever been an unnecessary shooting? How about unnecessary police brutality?
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I’ve stated my support for the police in general. But as I have already posted, “to blindly defend or refuse to admit the possibility of any error in any police action is not wise.”   Police need to be held accountable for their actions, just like we are held accountable for ours.   Woody Hayes - The facts as presented in this article, leave many questions in my mind and at the end of the day, a man is dead. In my opinion, there were other ways to deal with this situation. If your son is an officer and doesn’t agree with me, then yes, I’d rather see him working with computers.     
yourallpetty

in the light and julie r

just do your selves a favor and stop responding to these idiots all their going to do is come back with more hate filled bs i refuse to respond to most of them they are not worth the time of day or night they never want to wait for the facts and always want to play the balme game. even after the facts come in they will still declare they are right because facts dont matter to morons and if they flag this o well they do everything else i say the truth hurts

 

and b4 they say i commit crime i have never been arrested and i still dont trust the cops any more than i trust a thug on the street they all have guns they all use them guns are deadly in any hand

 

and the proper response from the police to a man with a gun should be more than 2 cops in if this was perkins or sandusky it would of been a task force trained in these situations its ironic how there was 2 police shootings in the same year and the results were the same in both 2 cops over reacting and not thinking about how they are suppose to do their job

Sam

For all of you who seem to enjoy hiding behind these blogs and criticize law enforcement.  My suggestion to you is, find a "nice young man" with a long history of violence, who has threatened his own family on the day you find him, he must be drunk and high on drugs with a loaded shotgun and allow him to turn the gun on you. Make sure you do not defend yourself.  That might change you viewpoint or life...........

Woody Hayes

@thinkagain:

You have never heard me say that cops are above the law all of the time. Things have happened that the cops are way off base and should be prosecuted. I suggest that we all wait until BCI have finished their investigation and draw conclusions from that.

 

@yourallpretty

Don't know what rock you crawed out from under, would suggest that you go back under there. 

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Woody Hayes – I can agree to that.