Disciplinary hearings loom for accused jail guards

Two Sandusky County jail guards will get a chance Monday to tell their versions of a Jan. 10 incident in which they allegedly exploited a naked, schizophrenic woman while she was locked in a jail cell.
Jessica Cuffman
Feb 10, 2012

Two Sandusky County jail guards will get a chance Monday to tell their versions of a Jan. 10 incident in which they allegedly exploited a naked, schizophrenic woman while she was locked in a jail cell.

Frank Kaiser, 31, and Charlie Pump, 34, are scheduled for fact-finding hearings Monday with a neutral hearing officer, Sandusky County Job and Family Services director Cindy Bilby.

Bilby then has five days to complete a report documenting the allegations and her findings. She could determine the two men are guilty of misconduct.

Also this week, Sheriff Kyle Overmyer sent predisciplinary letters to Kaiser and Pump, further detailing the allegations against the men and the roles they played in the Jan. 10 incident.

A third jail guard accused of misconduct, Joshua Smith, was still in his probationary period when the incident happened. Any discipline awaiting him won't be settled upon until Kaiser and Pump are dealt with.

For more on this story, pick up Friday's Register. Also, click on the PDFs below to read the discipline notices Overmyer sent to Kaiser and Pump.

Comments

FruGalSpender

i have to watch my comments or meals69 wife or the sandusky register will delete my comments. meals69 took down all of his photos on that bodybuilding web page.

CatsAreTheBest

FruGalSpender I am not the wife of meals69.  I am just a concerned citizen of Sandusky County who feels that the problems facing Sandusky County should stay in the county.  I feel that the Register is just trying to make this unfortunate situation into a witch hunt and they have no business doing it.  I also believe in standing by these individuals into they are either proven innocent or guilty which ever it might be and nobody will know this until disciplinary hearing is complete on Monday.  On another note FrugalGal the way that you keep inserting yourself into this investigation makes me wonder if you are a co-worker of the victim at the local strip club.

Katelih-Trailer...

 My comment was deleted for Personal Attacks ??? How is, " I feel sorry for his wife " an attack ? Wow...I am glad I am not thin-skinned...Geesh !

Sue Meredith

Cats, has it escaped your attention the the Register is a NEWSPAPER? And it is their job to report the news.  FYI, they do have numerous subscribers in Sandusky County not to mention the people in Sandusky County who buy the paper at the store or from paper boxes. News is not limited too the county it takes place in.

Katelih-Trailer...

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wiredmama222

this should be interesting.  Now both sides will be out there

jon491

 

Feb 10, 2012
09:27       He must of got the message , because they are off of google , Good.

FruGalSpender

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Now is the time

Why isn't anyone running against Kevin Baxter for Prosecutor, Can we get a candidate PLEASE. I'll vote for an independent anyone....  

wiredmama222

katelih....I am with u....sometimes I wonder about why certain things are deleted and some left for all to read.  Feeling sorry for one's wife should NOT have been a problem, especially given this situation.

With all these comments and the situation at hand, I too, feel sorry for these families.  They are suffering the slings and arrows of their family members actions. 

 

Just Saying

Their side of the story?  Hah ! Let's see how they each try to weasel out of this. It's truly pathetic that we have this sort of crap going on with professional individuals who are being paid to protect us. My bet is that this is not the first time this sort of thing has gone on at this particular facility and I'll wager the whistleblowers (thank God for you) are getting alot of flack for exposing this.

FruGalSpender

I am just a concerned citizen of Sandusky County who feels that the problems facing Sandusky County should stay in the county. On another note FrugalGal the way that you keep inserting yourself into this investigation makes me wonder if you are a co-worker of the victim at the local strip club.  catsarethebest must think that sandusky county is like las vegas. why are you so defensive, catsarethebest? other newspapers write stories about fremont and sandusky county. how about some music to soothe your troubled mind? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjtrUuyAFjA&feature=related

CatsAreTheBest

 FruGalSpender what are you talking about the only thing that I got from your posting is stuff  that I had already said.  Cant you come up with your own material.  And how is anything what I said makes you think that Sandusky County is like Las Vegas.  I never even brought up Vegas in my previous postings.  This story has been covered in The News Messenger and the Sandusky Register only.  I can see being in the Mess because it is actually located in the county and it has the right to post what is taking place in the county.  Where the Register is located in Erie County.  And from reading the Register it seems to me that the Erie County Jail has even bigger problems to deal with two inmates dying in its facitlity with in the past month.  Dont you think.  So why dont you go post about that.  On another note is that the music that plays when you come on stage every night at the club.

Truth or Dare

Hey CatsareBest:  Um, doesn't everyone deserve that same consideration?  The problem is, it isn't shown!  Ahhhhh,  the "Scales of Justice".    For a "smalltown newspaper", the SR is far reaching.  There are 77,000 residents in Erie County, and this newspaper reaches as many as have subscriptions, as well so many more in surrounding Counties!

Wonder how this young gal is doing?  Anyone know?  How bout that SR?   

CatsAreTheBest

 Truth or Dare you can act like you care how the young gal is doing but you really dont care.  You can act like a big hero for caring and truthfuly all you are is a hypocrite.  You guys all seem to forget the fact that she was in jail for a reason.  She is the one that made choice to go off her medications no one made her do it.  No one made her make the suicidal comments that got her put into isolation in the first place.  This whole incident took place because of her actions no one elses.  On that not I agree that some of the guards behavors were inappopriate and not called for.  But for  the Register to go on a witch hunt is uncalled for.

abcdefg12345

You really should not judge people in jail-there are alot of innocent people there and I promise you that this young girl should not have been in there in a manic state like she was. I do know for fact that I personally tried to get this girl the help she needed and was not successful.  You really have no right to judge anyone with a mental illness on what decisions they make-think about it (they don't always make good decisions and many times are not aware of their actions in a manic state.)  Bottom line is you are making comments that are very offending to the people that love this girl and unless you know the whole story-only comment on what you do know. Have a heart-try being a little more compassionate to human life and their feelings or in other words treat them like you do your cats.

wiredmama222

catsarethebest:   The newspaper has EVERY right to print what goes on in every county or around the country.  If they used your way of thinking, they shouldn't be allowed to print anything from anywhere but Erie county, is that it?What about national new? 

What happens around us all, happens TO us all, even when it is in a county that is near us.  We all live on the face of this earth and we all breath the same air.

Ok, so you guys don't want your "dirty laundry" aired in public....maybe those officers should have thought of that before they did what they did. 

And if they did nothing wrong, then they will have their time to tell their side of it.  Right?  So what is the problem? 

You act as though none of the rest of us has the right to know what happens in your country, but I would bet you are all interested what happens in ours? 

Be fair.....you want all of us to be that way, correct? 

Like I said, now both sides will be out there and I am sure these guys will appreciate your standing behind them.  Its nice of you. 

But if they are found to have been in the wrong, then you will have to accept that as well. 

Good luck to them and to you.  Sincerely. 

CatsAreTheBest

 Wiredmamma22 I agree with you in a way. As a citizen of Sandusky County I see so many good things taking place every single day.  Do you think that the Register covers any of these events.  It gets frustrating to see articles in the paper about all the bad things that happen in the county instead of articles about the good.  It gives the readers the opinion that Sandusky County is filled with a bunch of lunatics who have no regard for human beings.  When in all actuality that is completly not true where a county filled of good hearted people where a few troubled people ruin it for all of us.

Truth or Dare

Hey CatsareBest:  You didn't answer my question, the one about  evereyone deserving the same consideration.  So how do you feel about that?  Don't we all deserve the same consideration, or should there be  special treatment for LE, for  these guards that treated this young gal so horribley.  And yes, I do really care.  it doesn't make me a hero, it makes me someone that cares about all people, even the guards.  Cause ya know what, something just isn't right with them if they truely did what was reported!   

Did this young gal not tell them she needed her prescription?  I seem to recall that being stated.  Do you know anything about Xanax, what it is, why it's even prescribed and the serious side effects that one may experience?  First of all, it's a psychoactive drug of the benzodiazepine class.  It's used to treat anxiety and panic disorders, as well anxiety caused by depression.  Some physiciians will even prescribe it for pain, even though that's not really quite what it's for.   FYI, chances are quite a few of our returning Military  have received prescriptions for PTSD.  Do you know what that is?  It's also highly addictive, as a  1/3 taking this drug will become so within a month. Addicted that is!   Any idea what it's like to go through withdrawals from it, let alone when it's just "cut off"?  Guess your not aware that it can result in death?  Here are just a few side effects which might sound familiar, and keep in mind there are many more:

Unusual risk taking behaviour

Thoughts of suicide

Hyperactivity

A few symptoms of addiction withdrawl/side effects"

Agitation, hostility, hallucinations. 

Educate yourself  would ya, and stop making excuses for the way this young woman was treated!  Any regular Joe wouldn't get a Disciplinary Hearing, they would be in jail.  And the one on "probationary period", if that were you or I we would be immediatly terminated!  So in other words what their saying here, is they won't even touch him, at least not until they see what happens to the first two.  For some reason, I'm not feeling a whole lotta trust in that "neutral" hearing officer from SC Job and Family Services.  Call it intuition!  By the way, should the so-called "whislteblowers" be feeling any repercussions, you are aware there are laws in place for that, right? 

 

 

CatsAreTheBest

 TruthorDare do me a favor and re-read the report and read the whole thing and not just skim through the article and pick up bits and pieces.  Because if you read the report all the way through you would have seen in there that one of the deputies was on the phone with the victims mother trying to get her to bring medication to the jail.  Let me ask you this how would you handle the whole situation.  Lets put yourself in there shoes.  Shes acting out of control making suicidal comment how would you handle it.  I agree that they didnt handle it right because personally I would of put her in a restraint chair but they didnt.  What would you do when you walk in the room and you see her plesuring herself wouldnt that even catch you off guard wouldnt you look in awe.  Would you step in her cell knowing that she flooder her own cell and was storing urine and feces knowing that she was going to throw them on you.  I wouldnt.  And if you read the report you would see that not all of the deputies was talking dirty to her.  

In case you didnt know any law enfrocement agency is based on rank just like the United States military.  In the military would you ever stand up to your commanding officer let along tell them how to do there job.  No that would not happen.  So how can you say that the one on probationary period should be terminated when the deputy was just following order.  And if you and I were just following order hopefully we wouldnt be terminated either.

Wow I am impressed that you know how to use google would of never guessed.  But seriously thanks for the information.

FruGalSpender

On another note FrugalGal the way that you keep inserting yourself into this investigation makes me wonder if you are a co-worker of the victim at the local strip club.    catsarethebest, you joined and starting posting comments a little over a week ago. why do you keep inserting yourself into this investigation? all of your comments are about this investigation. 

Mum-of-One

Schizophrenia is a complex brain disorder. It can affect the ability to think clearly, manage feelings, make decisions, and relate to other people. 

Julie R.

Schizophrenia is a complex brain disorder. It can affect the ability to think clearly, manage feelings, make decisions, and relate to other people. 

Are you referring to the girl or the GUARDS?

czechurself

WTOL reported this story Jan 19 and Jan 31, 2012. 

Mum-of-One

Schizophrenia is the victim's excuse for her behavior.  I wonder what the GUARDS excuse is for their behavior.  I believe you can't fix stupid!

 

abcdefg12345

I agree with there being no excuse for the way the guards/deputies handled her. They used her for personal entertainment for six hours. For the young lady that tried to help her-I commend her, she needs to be promoted. What ever happened to serve and protect?

pinball1958

Right on Mum

FruGalSpender

WTOL reported this story Jan 19 and Jan 31, 2012.    don't tell catsarethebest or she will have a fit.

CatsAreTheBest

 FruGalSpender ha ha you really crack me up sometimes.  I knew that it was covered on wtol on those dates.  I only have a fit when ignorant people like you make rash decisions on subjects that they have no idea what they are talking about and decide to post there thought on the web for everybody to see.  Thats when I have a fit.

Woody Hayes

Does this effect people who wear tin foil hats?

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