Brown will continue to lead Sandusky police chief search

Sandusky city commissioner Pervis Brown Jr. will continue to lead the police chief search committee despite the missteps and delays that pushed deadline into next year.
Andy Ouriel
Nov 19, 2012

 

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Comments

car 54

The commission needs to read and understand the city charter to eliminate future missteps.

wiredmama222

yeah, all three lines of it.

car 54

The commission needs to read and understand the city charter to eliminate future missteps.

wiredmama222

The charter needs to be re-written into a clarified document that makes sense when read. Something so vague and misunderstood as how it is written (which is what this man indicated) should be changed. No wonder this committee had problems. It's pretty evident from this report.

Unabasho

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Nice thorough report
Too many crooked pages
Please fix the feeder
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SamAdams

Apparently "abject failure" looks good on a resume these days. Who knew?

Julie R.

When Nuesse first got fired (wasn't that in 2008?) I predicted the case would still be going on in 2012. Isn't that when it was finally resolved --- the joke 6th District Court of Appeals agreed with the rent-a-judges that she should stay fired?

I'm predicting now that Sandusky will be lucky to have a permanent police chief by 2015!

wiredmama222

Julie, this is probably one time when I will disagree with you only because I don't think they will let it go that far. I believe you will see a new chief by mid 2013, only because they almost half to after all of this.

If not, you will see Lang stay until Orzech gets his degree. Then he will get the promotion from within. If that happens, someone better start explaining why they wasted all this time, money and effort for nothing.

wiredmama222

Having read this report, it is very obvious that the allegations made by Cole and Poole were unfounded and unnecessary. The committee and Mr. Brown did NOTHING wrong in their efforts to select the next chief of police. I think they owe Mr. Brown and the committee a HUGE apology for making such a big deal out of nothing.

However, I think this committee better get moving on chosing someone quickly and expeditiously to give to Ms Ard for making a decision. I would just LOVE to know how many applications actually came in from Perkins after all this innuendo from the two commissioners and their "flack". It would certainly be interesting to know if any of that was true?

I think that is something that should be revealed to the public. The SR is so hot to let the public know things, let us know the answer to that question, please.

As far as the rest of this goes, it seems that the "charter" needs some major overhauling in the verbage to which it states exactly what we need. Apparently that seems to be part of the problem if you take the time to read the entire text on this site. Too "iffy". No wonder the committee was confused.

Just take the names of those who are still working that fit the bill, ditch the rest, vet them and send them on to Ms Ard. That shouldn't be too difficult or take too long.

I wish them the best of luck. I do think that Ms Cole and Mr Poole have some explaining to do about their actions, however. Obviously from the report, their complaints and comments were totally without merit or foundation. Accusing a fellow commissioner in public like that without proof is beyond rude. It smacks of something much deeper. They could have asked him in private, not embarrassed him in public. That is something that bothers me right down to my toes.

Cityslicker

Maybe the accuser(s) need to be asked some questions in public.

wiredmama222

exactly right. And they should have their answers ready and available

luvblues2

How hard really is this? Five people on the committee, hand each one ten applications with a copy of the charter. Throw in the middle the ones that don't meet the criteria, FIRST. Go from there.

This reeks lack of leadership.

SamAdams

It's frankly NOT that hard. The problem? The people on the committee don't seem to KNOW which meet the criteria, and which do not. That's what started this whole mess in the first place!

wiredmama222

Actually that ISN'T the problem. The problem is if you read the advertisement and the charter, the don't match. When you see what they advertised for and what the criteria is stated in the charter they are two different items. When you have a "wish list" added to what a mininimum exists it creates conflict. That is the problem. No wonder they are confused.

luvblues2

Again, wired.. No leadership. If one fails to plan, then one plans to fail.

wiredmama222

Ok, I have to ask....what does that mean? Do you think they planned to fail? Because I know that isn't the case. Have you READ the report??? The investigation paperwork? The charter (which is a joke). ?

SamAdams

Aaaaaaand...you just helped to make my point. Why didn't the ad and the charter match? If the committee had had a clue as to what it was doing, there wouldn't have been a conflict between the two. If the committee was confused (as is apparent), it could have asked the Law Director for clarification and again, there wouldn't have been a conflict. This hiring process was botched from the start, and it just went downhill from there.

wiredmama222

Sam, we have to look no further than the HR department for the Ad. I would LOVE to know who authorized it. It didn't come from the committee so who did put it in?

Again, the law director who should know this stuff, surely didn't do much in clarifying any discrepency in this matter did he? Since that is his JOB, why was he not doing it? Do any of the people who criticise this REALLY expect ordinary citizens to understand all of this without it being explained at least ONCE by the person who SHOULD know what is going on? I would hope not. It makes no matter whether it was "botched" or not.

They now have 40 new names with which to add to the others they had. They should have no problem going quickly through them. Take out all the ones that are NOT working and are not above the rank of Lt. and proceed. Heck, I can do that in less than five days by myself. There is no reason why they cannot be done in short order.

I think everyone is making far too much of continuing the process. What IS maddening is to find that nothing came of the allegations. That I find truly upsetting. Just more of an example that the lies that go on fly think and fast and come from within our own commissioners. They owe Mr. Brown a BIG apology and the two owe an explanation as to WHY they did it.

wiredmama222

ok,Sam....you want to win and be right so badly....you can win this one. Have it your way. but read below

wiredmama222

It isn't lack of leadership. If you see the actual AD and see the charter you will understand the problem. The HR department should be SHOT. Whoever got the idea to add the junk at the bottom is nuts. Just put in what the charter says and leave it at that. Don't add the rest that isn't in the charter. Talk about confusing. Talk about a government job.

And don't believe all you read. I happen to know they got FORTY new applicants right now. Yes, FORTY.

Imataloss

Here's a solution to the problem: Appoint whoever the committee wants to hire as interim-chief. Then, have the person apply and be hired as chief. If they are acting as interim-chief, they have a job and will qualify.

Jim Lang was not active when he was hired (someone correct me if I am wrong).

wiredmama222

The report said they could have given Ms Ard the ONE they had and it would have been legal....but NO....they didn't do that because there are certain people in this town who yell and scream and cry every time about "it says one to three" (I could name names here). This would be OVER now had they done so.

DGMutley

The report is wrong. If you re-read the report the attorney re-wrote the Charter.

wiredmama222

The charter was taken right out of the paperwork of the city. How do you figure it was re written? The report ISN"T wrong, DG. I think you are terribly mistaken here.

How do you figure it was wrong? Do you have some celestial knowledge that none of us is privilege to? Please tell us what you know that we do not know. But keep in mind that the charter was NOT re written, it was followed exactly as it is from the city charter.

DGMutley

I don't have any interest in critiquing the report because it served its purpose. But, yepper, he did re-write the Charter. Page 5, 3rd paragraph, last 3 lines of the pdf. He even highlights his re-write in quotes, lol. "name or names". The text he uses is "...it is also stated, in paragraph two, that the "name or names" of qualified individuals are to be certified to the City manager ( which seems to imply that a single qualifed person could be referred to the City Manager )."

The Charter doesn't say "name or names". Reference the Charter in the same pdf, Exhibit "B", page 2, 1st paragraph, line 2. "...Board shall certify to the City Manager the names of not more than three (3) applicants who are eligible..." It says, "names" not "name or names".

He may say that he was paraphrasing but "name or names" was definitely a re-write. lol

wiredmama222

I will look it over, but for now.....if you say so. But when I read the Charter it did say name or names. I believe I said that to you once before and you said it had to have three.

But if you say so. I will look it up though. I think you are mistaken.

richrs

Lang was Chief Park Ranger for Erie Metro-Parks.

reporter54

almost half to?

wiredmama222

Why is the SR trying to divide this city over this matter and create such a problem over this? Its as if they are punishing the city, the commission and the police department? Is it to get "even" with all three in one felled cutting? It appears that is the agenda of the day.

Printing "slanted" stories isn't the right thing to do, and half truths isn't right either. When one is the ONLY news source, the public would expect there to be an unbiased and totally unobstructed resource of CLEAR information coming from that news source, not what we have been getting of late from our paper. I just don't understand this. It is being used to take "pot shots" at particular people, using half truths and short sighted stories and coming dangerously close to printing (shall I say lies) to obtain an end.

People can read. If they take the time to read the report written by the man who did the investigation, they will see that Ms Cole and Mr Poole' allegations were "unfounded" and that the committee did nothing wrong.

There was NONE of the wrong doing that either of these two commissioners accused the commissioner or the committee of doing. Of that, both Poole and Cole should truly be ashamed. But the Register would have you believe that is not the case and the extension is because of some wrong doing by the committee. WRONG.

Take the time to READ the report. The committee members were on track and trying hard to fit candidates to the process and fit it to the charter. It seems strange that the SR quotes Deidra Cole and Sharon Johnson as their "references"...one working for the SR and the other who sides with the SR on points of interest and whom the SR sides with against the committee. How fair is that, how objective?

No, this has become a grudge, a vendetta...not fair reporting. For some reason, it has stopped being objective and become subjective and something for which Matt Westerhold and his immediate staff should not be proud. You cannot call this "reporting" when it becomes subjective in nature and no longer tells the truth about an issue, but only one sided.

For whatever reason the SR is doing what they are doing, shame on them. Being the only source of news gives you a grave and great responsibility and seeing it misused is dishearting and upsetting. I thought the SR a much more fair and impartial paper than this.

What happened? Can you not give the fair opinion on this? Can you not be objective, open, honest and fair about this one? What has over shadowed the objectivity so badly that the paper would take this type of stand? Is it bitterness, jealously, worry or worse?

I just expected better. Remember, people outside this area read this paper. You are also an embassador to the outside world and you are giving a bad view of what Sandusky looks like to the outside world.

I just said something about perception to those in Huron. I will say the same to you. Stop giving the perception that we are a bunch of small children with petty problems that cannot be solved reasonably. Stop making things worse by stirring them up. Stop printing things that are half truths or lies, just print facts.

And start working WITH people, not against them. Everything isn't a major headline. Even a quiet sunset can be a great sight. It doesn't need an explosion to go with it.

luvblues2

I read the report, wired. The committee did not follow the charter. Nor did the person who put the ad out to whatever resources they used. The charter was not followed in either case. That's not to mention promises of jobs by naysayers that couldn't produce.. Either way, it's FUBAR. Back to square one. Leadership has got to be the key.

wiredmama222

And do you not think they have it? I take it you don't. The person who put the ad out was the human resources department of the city of Sandusky. So do THEY know the City Charter. The city charter's ENTIRE line for the police criteria for chief says this" any active full time law enforcement officer with not less than ten (10) years of prior active full time law enforcement service, and holding the permananent rank of Lieutenant or higher, as of the date o the application of said officer hereunder, shall be qualifed and eligible to so apply and to be considered for appointment in relation to a vacancy in the position of office of Chief of the Department or Division of Police".

That is the EXTENT of this big deal of the charter....so I don't know what everyone is making a fuss about. That is hardly a big deal. Some criteria. 10 years, still working and that's it? Wow. Not a hard decision to make. What they ran into was people applying who FIT that description.

I could have someone chosen out of 40 applications in 5 days or less, with NO problem. BY MYSELF.

luvblues2

Me too. Alas, the temperament of your Commissioners working together (so to speak), really have need of some willingness to do so. It seems everybody that sits at that table is playing a different sport.

wiredmama222

I agree. Maybe it is time to systematically start removing them one by one until the right mix is achieved to create the perfect atmosphere of cooperation. Maybe THEN they will get the message....you know how that works, right? take one away, replace it. Take two away, replace it, then three and so on until they learn? that sometimes works after one or two.

sanduskymom

I totally agree with you Wiredmama! It does seem like Westerhold and his staff will do anything to create "drama" and "stories" from nothing. I am really tired of him tearing this City apart, creating issues where none exist, and choosing to support "leaders" like Cole. SHE (and Wesley) are really the problems with the Commission.

I certainly hope people commenting on this "article" have actually read the report. You will see that when this issue came about, there wasn't even mention of the City Charter, yet now it has become the focus of every slanted Register story. If you read the report and the minutes from the meeting where the "issue" was first brought to light, you'll see that Diedre and Wesley were claming the had phone calls with people who heard rumors that "Perkins residents need not apply." Cole was then called out for promising Matthews he'd be the next Sandusky Police Chief - as she stated to two Commissioners. And now all of a sudden it's become an issue regarding the Charter? Give me a break!

Diedre and Wesley should learn when to keep their mouth's shut when it comes to hearing rumors. THEY are the ones who are holding up the process and unnecessarily spending taxpayers money on reports...all because (thankfully!) their guy wasn't a finalist.

wiredmama222

AMEN...well said, well written and right on point. You got it sister!!!!

wiredmama222

Its FOBAR (F... OVER, beyond all recognition) isn't it? LOLOLOLOL

luvblues2

Nah... It's WWII speak. F'd UP BEYOND ALL RECOGNITION. :) Think "Catch 22".

wiredmama222

I was thinking the movie Tango and Cash. LOL

pavedparadise

cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo

luvblues2

LOL. Yosarian sitting in the tree naked...

wiredmama222

For those of you who think you can add assistance to this problem, why not show up at the committee meeting for the police chief and see what is going on. Maybe that is the answer. I know I am going to. I want to see this for myself.

pavedparadise

cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo

wiredmama222

I think your time is about up cuckoo. Take it elsewhere. LOL

God Of Thunder

IMATALOSS is right...Lang wasn't active when they hired him, so what's the difference...
It doesn't matter, if the old applicants didn't pull their applications, then the current ones will, once they see how much turmoil this city is in, and I'm not talking about the murders and drugs, and the little punk kids running around wreaking havoc, I'm talking about how no one in city hall can get along and point fingers at each other and spend so much unnecessary money... Who would want to be involved in all of that??

wiredmama222

You and IMATALOSS have a valid point. And that probably goes for business that would have come here as well. And who do we have to thank for all of this?

The commissioners, the Sandusky Register and a hand full of people who just cannot stand to see people get along? (I could name the names of those who continually rile things up around here).

So what can the rest of the city residents do? Hang them all? Get rid of the people who cause the problems? What? Absolutely nothing. They hold the cards and control the press. What do you suggest the rest of we "poor folk" do in a situation where we have no pull, money or power to do anything to change the situation? I would love to know and love to help.

richrs

Yes he was. Read my previous post on this. Jim Lang was employed as the chief ranger for Erie Metro-Parks. Which is a law enforcement position.

wiredmama222

So what are you saying, keep him? I don't think so. I would love to see someone come in who knows what to do, strong and capable that can impliment that study and really get that department in shape. Really.

richrs

@ Wiredmama
If you meant me. No I think that young blood is needed for the city. I was just trying to clarify a point on Lang's eligibility when he was hired. I wish the city the best of luck. I know if I was looking for a top cop spot Sandusky is the last place I would look. To much confusion on the commssion and a non-existant city manager.

wiredmama222

richrs....no, I should start writing to whom I am speaking. This new system gets confusing, doesn't it. I agree that if anyone was looking for a top cop spot, with all our confusion, no one would really look here. We don't have the best rep in the state. I agree with all you say because its true. If the commissioners showed more continuity instead of trying to be the ONLY one working it, that might be a good start, but they don't work that way. Every man or woman for themselves seems to be how they work. Sad but true. They just don't show any cooperation. And our city manager gets buffaloed at every turn. She can't do anything. I do know she has people against her....that is sad. Again, from the commissioners who fight her tooth and nail. So if anyone really checks US out they wouldn't want to work here anyway. It will take a STRONG person to be the chief of police. Someone who can stand up to all this.

And frankly we need stronger and more compliant and 'work together" commissioners who want to cooperate as a team. Right now we don't have that either. I dont know if they exist truthfully.

oldpirate

Most often reports investigating the person paying the bill aren't very critical. I never expected the committee to say anything other than what they did. We will never know what really went on.

wiredmama222

old pirate....what do you mean?

pavedparadise

Cukoo Cukoo

wiredmama222

Alright....I take it to mean you think I am a cukoo! If so, why? I will love hearing your answer to this one. Be specific. And don't answer with our two dumb words again. Just answer the question.

car 54

I hope the commissioners explain the next plan in full Monday night. I spoke with Commissioner Brown and left with more questions about the deadline.

wiredmama222

Well, did you get your answers?