Pay cuts for teachers at St. Mary

Officials from Sandusky Central Catholic mum; some long-time veterans say they feel betrayed
Alissa Widman Neese
Jun 18, 2014

 

widman@sanduskyregister.com

Sandusky Central Catholic School officials are poised to implement a new, controversial pay scale for teachers in the upcoming school year.

The move would slice the salaries of the school's veteran employees by anywhere from 12 to 20 percent, while giving some less experienced teachers modest pay increases, according to affected teachers who spoke with the Register.

"None of us teach at a Catholic school for the money, but this is insulting and demoralizing," said one teacher, who did not want to be identified for fear of consequences.

Some fear the low pay rates could turn the institution into a "public school teacher training ground," said another, who also asked not to be named.

The Register obtained a copy of the pay scale Tuesday.

A copy of Sandusky Central Catholic School's new pay scale is available below.

Teachers on the lowest end of the scale, with a bachelor's degree and one year of experience, will receive $25,000 a year, according to the document.

Teachers on the highest end of the scale, with a bachelor's degree and 30 years of experience or more, will not receive more than $40,000 a year. A master's degree tacks on an extra $2,000 annually.

Sandusky Central Catholic School awards all its employees a one-year contract each year.

Any Sandusky Central Catholic School teacher who received more than $42,000 in the current school year will receive a pay cut, effective for their upcoming contracts. 

The teachers who spoke with the Register said they wonder if the new pay structure is designed to drive out older, more experienced teachers.

Comparatively, an average teacher salary in Erie County's five public schools is $59,046, according to the Ohio Department of Education.

Tad Windau, the school's chief financial officer, as well as other school officials, allegedly gathered the teachers in the school chapel May 29 to deliver the unanticipated news of pay cuts.

After a heated discussion, one school official told distraught teachers to "open their own school" if they thought they could manage one better, according to the teachers who spoke with the Register.

"It's discouraging to see an extension of the church showing no compassion whatsoever to people who have literally given them their lives," a teacher said. 

Windau did not return two phone messages or an email Tuesday seeking comment on the matter.

Teachers and community members are reportedly emailing letters of protest to the Rev. Joe Steinbauer, pastor of Sandusky's Catholic parishes, as well as Christopher Knight, superintendent of schools for the Catholic Diocese of Toledo, which includes Sandusky.

"No one will talk to us about it, and it's created an atmosphere of mistrust among everyone," a teacher said. "I love these students and I believe in this school, but I have no confidence in the people running it right now."

Note: Because Sandusky Central Catholic School is a private school and not funded by tax dollars, it is not required to release financial information the Register.

Comments

Dwight K.

Its a shame they're getting treated that way, but that's sure more money than I make in a year

community_member

This article isn't about you!

Dwight K.

Uh yeah...don't believe I said it was

coasterfan

Dwight: They have 4-6 years of additional training plus a college degree or two.

From the Grave

They can take other, higher paying jobs then, if they have the credentials.

Wald

No, they can't. No public school is going to hire a teacher with all those years of experience and degrees. They'd be too expensive versus a teacher with just a few years of experience. The veteran teachers at St. Mary's are stuck there if they want to stay in teaching.

ladydye_5

Well, the article says they aren't paying that much either. So what is the difference. Other options are always a possibility.

Common Sense

Having invested four to six years to earn a degree, the first thing you need is a job. A steady paycheck, no matter how small, allows you to start paying off loans and making small purchases. That is how many teachers start off in a Catholic school system. They often stay because they learn to deal with less pay than their peers and they love their students and can live with the "moral contract" they are required to sign.
The unhappiness that we see is not only about the money. It is the idea that, despite sticking with the school through good and bad times, your worth is limited. Retirement pay may also be determined by the pay of their final years of work. Finally, to receive full retirement (which is also very small), a teacher must work for forty years. Not much positive to say about loyalty.

Smcc Alum

@ From the Grave "If they have the credentials"

Don't quit your day job, you'll never make it as a comedian.

From the Grave

Who said I HAVE a job...I'd take their jobs(at the new pay rate)in a heartbeat.

jazzbo

I think the cemetery is hiring.

From the Grave

My point anyway, was that they "CHOSE" a job at PRIVATE school. Tough break. So, choose a different job. Other people do it all the time.

sugar

BS, most have a bachelors, some Masters. WTF do you think social workers and nurses have? They work way more hours than any teacher.

Informed

Some do, some don't. Nurses as a whole make good money, and most do not have a master's degree. The ones that do usually are in administration or teaching, often in nursing schools.
Social workers, on the other hand, make terrible money unless they work for a for-profit company. But not all social workers have master's degrees. The ones that do have the option of working for insurance companies and private practices where they can make pretty good money.

ContraryAnn

...and most nurses have unions. Nurses with MSNs don't work with patients in direct-care.... they are in administration and work 40-hour weeks. The same with a masters in Social Work - few are in direct care.
If direct-care nursing staff work more than 40 hours (doesn't happen) they get additional pay because, guess what?, they are hourly employees.
Are you an MSN or MSW? Do you know one or more? From what experience do you speak?
I wish teachers only had to work 40 hours a week and got paid overtime. It's more than 8 hours in the classroom. Grading papers, preparing tests, providing breakfast, enforcing custody agreements, and... oh WTH. You're too much a dolt to understand.

sugar

You are dead wrong. LOL Master prepared nurses work right along side nursing assistants. Most healthcare institutions are not unionized. SW must have a Masters in SW or a MSSA , it's basically required. You're condescending, arrogant, indignant post is one reason why teachers get the attitude they do from a lot of people. 180 days a year. Hmmmm

Babo

In public school contracts teachers negotiate "contact time" the amount of time they have to actually spend in the room with students and it is nowhere near 8 hours a day but usually 5 hours. They then have time during the day for which they are paid to grade papers and do lesson plans etc.

They are paid a lot more per actual hour worked compared to nurses and social workers who have to take a much tougher educational program to earn their licenses than teachers and work under much more difficult conditions.

People seem to forget that teachers have great working conditions (hours, building conditions, coworkers, staff) and gain a lot of satisfaction or should from molding young lives. Nurses and social workers on the other hand have to put up with adults under difficult circumstances.

From the Grave

If you don't think that being a teacher at any level is difficult, then you are obviously NOT a teacher, and also don't know any. "The grass is always greener..."

Common Sense

Yes, but at least nurses are compensated for their extra hours at work. Neither social workers or teachers enter the field for the money. For those who think it is a 3-month long vacation, they learn quickly the fallacy of that statement. Open Houses, conferences, teacher meetings, professional development all figure into the school year as part of the salary. How do you know that these workers work "way more hours than any teacher"? have you walked in each of their shoes for at least a year? Are you basing it on familial experience? Let's face it: all these, and many more professions, do not receive the pay they are worth.

Wjones44

Does this have anything to do with all the lawsuits over the perverted priests? Maybe they're hurting for money.

ContraryAnn

Of course it does! Melody (?) left Monroe Catholic Education the lurch to come to SCCS and destroy the place. Now will someone warn Bellevue ICS?

Karma2u

Well said Contrary....I fell bad for Bellevue they do not know what is coming. She is a nightmare. I don't understand why people keep hiring her she has never stayed anywhere more than 2 years! She claims she wants to be more involved with the students I call BS..a demotion is what it is I feel sorry for those families....

holysee

Pay teachers at least as much as the politicians make. Teachers deserve more across the board. Catholicism is an insult to my intelligence. I went to catholic school and paid the price.

holysee

Banreligion

coasterfan

From your mouth to God's ears, If he actually existed, I mean....

Hopperthe2nd

2nd that emotion

JACKEL

WHAT IF HE IS FOR REAL AND YOU HAVE ALWAYS DOUBTED ?

Nemesis

So much for your belief in freedom of religion, Coaster.

JACKEL

You must be a member of The Abortion Party. They tried to drop God from Their Dumacratic Convention !I hope your not one of those hypocrites that march in The Pro Life Parades with your KOC Uniforms !

ContraryAnn

You are Pro-BIRTH. Admit it. You don't give a damn about those babies once they draw breath.

Cite proof - other than FAUX - that the Democrats tried to drop God from the convention.

The Answer Person

We need more abortions not fewer.

bnjjad

42k is the max for 30+ years of experience with a masters degree? That is too low for a college educated, experienced professional. No teacher in their right mind should stick around for that.

Florence Nightingale

Amen to that!

JACKEL

That is an insult, 42K.

Gardenman

As said these teachers are not at SCCS for the money. Geesh 30+ years and a Masters and $42,000. I am sure the benefits are none too good either. Yet it is a private school and it is what it is.

I think the school has been very fortunate to have attracted the teachers they do and SCCS students do well beyond high school. I don't hear students who graduate from there and get to college and flunk out for they do not know the math, science, English, etc.

I could not blame these teachers for looking elsewhere for a position as a teacher.

I would expect "EVERY" administrator for the SCCS to also be sharing in the joy and excitement of working for less. If they are not then they should be ashamed of themselves.

community_member

I understand being passionate about your job and saying "I'm not in it for the money", but you have to pay your bills and put food on he table like everyone else. Unless you are willing to work for free please don't say "I'm not in it for the money"!

Smcc Alum

Everyone who has a job works because of money. However, I would like to say that most teachers at Smcc work there for other reasons. If they wanted money, they would find a job at a public school, if they would hire someone as overqualified as most of the teachers at Smcc.

sugar

Many do on less.

Smcc Alum

Correct, other catholic school teachers do :D

Sugar, this article is about the teachers at Smcc. I understand other people work for much less, but this article is about teachers who get paid in peanuts having to take a pay cut that puts some of them near the poverty line. Yet they still enjoy their line of work because they care about the students they teach. It is a very selfless act on their part and it goes under appreciated.

Pantherfan

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

I'm amazed Alissa hasn't done a report on Denny Faber yet.

Guy graduated from SCCS, was inducted in their Hall of Fame as a basketball player, worked at his alma mater for more than 30 years as teacher and Athletic Director.

Non-renewed.

Never mind the fact that Denny is one of the most professional and well-respected ADs anywhere (ask any of the SBC ADs), and committed his life to the school he loved.

I was told that he had agreed previously to work one more year (next year) and then retire, so that he could help the new AD adjust to his new job as the head man.

The Board never let that happen, and canned him on a Friday in mid-May. Unbelievable. Like watching "Office Space".

Some of the actions there over the past year have made me shake my head. As a Panther fan (have family there, and go to a lot of games and donate to SCCS) it's very disappointing. People are pretty upset, and rightfully so.

OSUAV8TER

Agreed, the actions by the school board are alarming. Removing Denny like that was dishonorable and insulting. He has dedicated the majority of his life to that school and they tossed him to the side like that. The school board needs to go. They're ripping SMCC apart.

Brick Hamland

I was a big Denny Faber fan. Have been since he was my teacher years ago. He has given a lot of time to the school and I can appreciate that. In my opinion, he really dropped the ball when it came to the school leaving the SBC. I don't see how you can leave a conference without signed agreements and committments from other schools to form the new conference. If I made a mistake that big at my job I wouldn't have been around for several months thereafter. It is also my understanding that Mr. Faber had already retired years ago. Nonetheless, i think it could have been handled better as it is sad to see someone give a lifetime somewhere and now I am sure won't participate in anything related to the school. I wish him the best as he always treated me fairly.

The Answer Person

We all make choices.
They choose to take it.
They don't have to stay.

jazzbo

It seems like St. Mary's is about to close?

OSUAV8TER

How do you come to that conclusion?

Hopperthe2nd

St. Mary in Clyde grade school closed a couple of years ago.

jazzbo

OSUAV8TER-
Well , things are happening.
St Mary's have combined with the other 2 Catholic churches , razed their convent , eliminated their Saturday night services , razed the old drugstore (that they owned for whatever reason) , and now with this teacher pay cut that will make the teachers angry = doesn't look too good in my opinion.

OSUAV8TER

Perkins' levy didn't pass. Are they going to close too?

Brick Hamland

How many empty school buildings does Sandusky City Schools have... they must be closing too.

jazzbo

OSUAV8TER-

People are leaving Catholicism and with them goes the money.

lifetimeresident

This is how much money we have. This is how much we can afford to pay for the teachers salaries. What kind of business is that! They need to aproach this how Perkins would. Those teachers still make a respectable salary, with or without the funds. Whats wrong with this picture. Who's in charge over to St. Marys. What the hell are you trying to do, keep your school OPEN.

MrsCowboy

They have no choice. People are starting to get too smart for religion. The sheeple are dwindling as are the funds. It's only a matter of time before the school closes.

OSUAV8TER

Sound's like you have it all figured out. So what is the new batch of sheeple subscribing to these days? Ah yes, people would rather have that BMW and big screen TV rather than another child or sending them to a good school like SMCC. That's what the Sheeple value these days.

SMCC produces fine students for the community, I think that's something you should want for Sandusky.

Informed

SMCC doesn't produce any finer students than the public schools in the area. Maybe people are starting to realize that. In fact, many of the students I have known are a bunch of hypocrites, claiming to be so Christian, but at the same time using having premarital sex, using birth control, and underage drinking. Sounds just like most other schools.

Wald

How are you "informed" about SMCC students having premarital sex, using birth control, and underage drinking? Did you witness these acts with your own eyes or partake in these activities? Maybe you should be investigated. And "inform" yourself with the percentage of SMCC graduates going on to college and the scholarship monies they've earned with schools like Perkins and Sandusky. Public schools have great kids, but SMCC outperforms them on the whole. You're not very "informed".

OSUAV8TER

Wald is right, the facts don't lie. SMCC has a 90%+ college acceptance rate/attendance after high school. They also consistently outperform every public school in scholarship monies. Informed is not so informed, nothing but vile filth.

Informed

Huron also has a 90% college attendance rate. I would imagine that many of the other districts around here do as well.

OSUAV8TER

Facts don't lie, Huron doesn't put up the numbers like SMCC does.

SMCC college attendance rate for this year - 96%
SMCC total students - 47
SMCC scholarship amount $1.3M
Scholarship $ per student - $27,700
http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

Huron college attendance rate for this year - 88% (That's not 90%)
Huron total students - 109
Huron scholarship amount - $1.2M
Scholarship $ per student - $11,009
http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

Informed

Take the special education students out of those numbers. You know, the students that public school services that private ones do not.
You are comparing apples and oranges.

OSUAV8TER

You are delusional! Clearly SMCC puts up the highest numbers in the area and you attribute that because they do not have special education student, which is not true. Ignorance is bliss.

Informed

How many students do they have who are diagnosed with autism? Asperger's? Down Syndrome? Bi-polar disorder? Major depression? Reactive Attachment disorder? Serious cognitive delays?

Justme...

Scholarship $ per student and scholarship amount, of course is higher for those attending a private university vs. a state university...to state the obvious, SMCC grads are more likely to attend private universities.

Informed

Um, because teenagers talk to other teenagers. Because I have heard students complain about other students and their hypocritical behavior. Because my own kids have heard SMCC students talk about it. Because I have known parents that talked about it. You think people make this up? Because a bunch have been busted in the past drinking (especially on the Chausee). I could go on and on.
Here's a clue--SMCC kids do that same stuff that other kids do. They are not any better. The fact that some of them, as well as their parents, try to make them out as better makes them worse.

OSUAV8TER

This is all garbage gossip and rumors. Making conlusions off of that kind of crap is insane. The fact that you are judging an entire school off of desperate housewife rumors is laughable. You actually listen to everything that teenages say haha! Clearly you are jealous of SMCC's accomplishments and would love nothing more to see it close. Get a life.

Informed

And you have your head in the sand! Police logs in the newspaper are gossip and rumors?
If students themselves are saying this stuff, how is that a rumor?
Oh but you are judging an entire school because of a few good kids, and that's okay?
Jealous? Hahahahaha. My own public-school educated children attended highly ranked colleges on scholarship. So of what exactly am I jealous? Please do tell. I am dying to know.
The fact that you cannot see one bit of negative and put SMCC on such a pedestal is exactly the kind of behavior to which I am referring. You are not any better than anyone else. In fact, if I don't recall, being a Christian requires humility.

OSUAV8TER

No - you put SMCC on a pedestal and you're the one taking swipes at them with your nonsense. Once again, SMCC puts up higher numbers than any school around per student. Stop dancing around the facts.

Informed

I would never put SMCC on a pedastal.
The FACTS are that public schools serve the needs of all students. SMCC does not. I am not dancing around anything.
I have had former SMCC students themselves tell me how unprepared they were for college.
Let's take the top ten students from each school. I guarantee you that SMCC would not rank at the top.

OSUAV8TER

"Let's take the top ten students from each school. I guarantee you that SMCC would not rank at the top."

How do you come to that conclusion? What facts do you have to back up that crazy claim? You base your opinions on gossip and rumors from unreliable sources. I am an SMCC alumni (duh from my vehement defense of the school), did just fine in college. I think I was perfectly prepared for college by SMCC. I also worked pretty hard (seems to be a pretty common formula regardless of what school you went to) In fact, I went to a nationally ranked college, and got the entire thing paid for (mom and dad love that!). I then went on to graduate school where I got another full ride (mom and dad loved that again)! I also got paid $100K a year from my employer to just go to school full time!

Class dismissed.

Informed

Good for you! That's fantastic. I never said that they didn't have students who did great. But not all of them do. And some people don't realize that. A recent grad I know had an ACT of 17. Well below state average.
How do I come to that conclusion? Because the top ten from some of the public high schools have a very high ACT scores. I never said SMCC would be at the bottom.
My point is that they aren't better. I never said they were worse. Again, they are just like most other schools in the area, both in terms of education and student character.

LILLY VONSCHTOOP

Amen to that!!! I once worked with a SMCC graduate who didn't know New Mexico was a state, she thought it was part of Mexico, and another SMCC graduate who swore up and down that Washington DC was in Washington! Stellar!

Smcc Alum

@Informed.

I'm a recent grad of Smcc and I, along with my peers, do not believe we are any better than pubic school students, nor do our parents.

"The FACTS are that public schools serve the needs of all students. SMCC does not. I am not dancing around anything".

^ False. You're not dancing, you're just uninformed. Ironic right?

Nearly 70% of students at Smcc are on tuition assistance. Much of the assistance paid for by church goers during collection. Smcc and the Chuch do their best to provide for everyone. I've had classmates with learning disabilities and they receive a lot of special attention from individuals hired for the specific needs of kids with learning disabilities. What you're saying about Smcc not serving the needs of all students is just bull and you along with your teenage friends who attended Smcc both know that. The only reason these kids aren't prepared for college is because they did not prepare themselves.

Smcc will give you the tools and teach you how to use them. Just like in every other school, there are always going to be kids who do not feel like putting in the work. That's why they aren't prepared for college. It has nothing to do with the education provided by Smcc.

Informed

A mild learning disability is one thing. Having a multi-handicapped child, a seriously mentally ill child, or a seriously autistic child is another. There are no such students at SMCC.

Informed

So my doctor friend was lazy in high school, even though he was valedictorian?

Smcc Alum

Because there are none of those special needs kids that fit your criteria, does that mean that Smcc shuts them out? It is a simple question of, is it because of the fact, or in spite of the fact?

For example, if a school has no african americans enrolled in their system, would you assume that the school does not allow them in their school?

Informed

Oh, but you're not taking swipes by calling people "Sheeple" and commenting on their personal spending?

OSUAV8TER

What are you talking about?

Informed

Read your own post.

OSUAV8TER

Ha! I'm talking about society as a whole, and that Americans are have shifted their priorities to more material wealth. You're attacking SMCC students and calling them whores based on teenage gossip.

Informed

I never called anyone a whore!
And my point was that people aren't spending the money to send their kids to SMCC because it is no better than most of the other area schools! But you keep swearing up and down that it is. No, it isn't, and most people see that.
If you want to send your kids there, great. But that doesn't mean they are getting a better education or are more moral than public school kids.
That was my point!

OSUAV8TER

You said "In fact, many of the students I have known are a bunch of hypocrites, claiming to be so Christian, but at the same time using having premarital sex, using birth control, and underage drinking."

Sure did, those are your words, you have a very short memory. You also choose to ignore the facts that the average SMCC student nets $27K worth of scholarships while the average public school student nets $11K worth of scholarships upon graduation. The data doesn't lie, you are in denial of reality.

Informed

Yes, I certainly did say that. That does not mean I called anyone a whore!!! That was your word. I would not call teenagers that.
Okay, let's look at the tuition. Let's say the average tuition for 13 years of school is $26,000 (that's merely $2,000 per year). That means that if students averaged $27,000 in scholarships, then they only gained $1000. That data doesn't lie, either.

Wjones44

I did sex and alcohol when I went to SMCC! Great party school!

jmgthatsme

Informed...we have covered this before...Under the recent article "SMCC class 'proves them wrong'" from a couple weeks ago. You spew hate and lies any time SMCC is mentioned. You were proven wrong in the last article you attempted to smear SMCC students. Stop being a hater and stop making comments attempting to degrade SMCC students. Not sure why you chose to "smear" the smcc students again when the article was about teachers and their cut in pay.

Informed

When was I proven wrong? There are more private college attendees from SMCC than Huron.
I am not trying to smear anyone. I am trying to point out what some people refuse to believe, and that is SMCC is no better than other area schools. I never said it was bad or that I "hated" it.
I only responded when someone started spewing their arrogance about how SMCC is so much better.
And it's spew, not spue.

OSUAV8TER

Informed, from the page before this:

"In fact, many of the students I have known are a bunch of hypocrites, claiming to be so Christian, but at the same time using having premarital sex, using birth control, and underage drinking."

How is that not trying to smear anyone!?! I don't get it!? How is that not smearing SMCC's name!? What am I missing here!? I don't get it!

Informed

Pointing out reality is not smearing anyone or anything. Gees, are we defensive!

OSUAV8TER

Perceived reality and actuality are two different things. When you're basing all of your information off of teenage gossip, I would be willing to write off a lot of it.

Informed

Did you miss where I said newspaper police log?
You are in denial.

OSUAV8TER

Get me a link. I don't believe you because you collect most of your information from dramatic teenage gossip. Cite your claim.

Informed

Do your own research. I know of what I speak.
You keep thinking that all SMCC students are pure, chaste virgins who have never tasted alcohol other than communion wine. I don't really care.
Most people know what the truth is.

Wald

What's really sad is that unInformed is attacking children based on things she and her kids "heard" (so of course it must be true). The article had nothing to do with SMCC students, but yet unInformed chose to come here and start slandering children that go to SMCC anyway. What pathetic individual would do such a thing as maliciously slander children based on gossip? Sad, sad, sad.

OSUAV8TER

Her claims are based upon teenage gossip, she's credible. Informed - I'm being facetious. Everyone else, I'm serious.

Informed

So we should ever take what a teen says as a fact? We shouldn't ever believe them? Tell that to my friend whose high school daughter asked to be removed from SMCC because of the hypocrisy of the other kids.
Okay, what about the SMCC parents who would drink in the school parking lots before their kids' football games. That's also a fact. Real moral ground there.

OSUAV8TER

Perceived reality and actuality are two different things. When you're basing all of your information off of teenage gossip, I would be willing to write off a lot of it.

jmgthatsme

Your memory must be going, go back and read it to refresh your memory on how RLynch proved your false statements wrong. But again, this article was about TEACHERS...NOT students...stop bashing the kids. FOCUS HEEEERRRE...the article was about SMCC teacher pay

Informed

It also wan't about "Sheeple" about which another poster ranted.

Finn Finn

"Informed" - comical misnomer. Catholic students, Catholic schools, Catholics in general don't think they are better than anyone else. We're normal folks like everyone else and don't think we're superior in any way. That is your warped perception and your own inferiority complex. Get a grip already and stop your schizoid ranting.

OSUAV8TER

Informed and many others have created this perception that Catholics think they are superior to others. Informed has put Catholics on a pedestal so Informed and like others can have something to swat at.

dorothy gale

When I went to St. Mary's many, many years ago, we had an issue with things being stolen from lockers for a short time. The principal called an assembly and told us "This is a Catholic school! We shouldn't even need locks on the lockers! We are supposed to be BETTER than that!" Just sayin'.

Wjones44

I hear ya. Someone took my bottle of vodka from my locker and I think they did it when someone set off a stink bomb as a diversion. Those were the days.

sugar

Oh but it does. The students are well above their peers from public schools.

Informed

Your attitude just made my point.

Finn Finn

Explain??

Informed

Sugar just stated that SMCC are better than their public school peers. And that is the hypocrisy I am talking about. Because they are not. As a whole they do the same things as every other high schooler.

sugar

Informed has a complex, that everyone is better than he/she. That was not the context of my post. Instead of calling yourself informed how about know it all?

Smcc Alum

Mrs. Cowboy.

They've been saying that for the past 15 years.

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2cents

Just curious how it equates to hours on the job? Teachers have, not by their choice mind you, the summer break and all the holiday weeks the kids have. Divide out the pay by hours worked is all I want to know. I also can understand that it is very difficult to pay by quality as educators have no way to determine the outcome they made on a student after he or her has moved into the real world!

LILLY VONSCHTOOP

summers off---- awesome
weekends off----fabulous
a week and a half at Christmas.....cheers
a week off for spring break....great
snow days....teacher conference days....federal holidays etc....terrific
$40some thousand a year!!!----PRICELESS!!
Give me a break.That sounds pretty terrfic!

Informed

If you think it's so great, then become a teacher.

Allow me to counter:
Summers--must take classes for CEU's, take down classroom, set up classroom, summer job to supplement low teacher salary
Weekends--grading papers and preparing lesson plans
Week and a half at Christmas--peak vaca time so prices are high
Spring break--again peak vaca time so prices are high
Snow days--have to rearrange lesson plans to fit in missed lessons
Teacher Conference days--not sure what you mean, if it's parent-teacher conferences, then they have to work; if you mean inservice, then it's training and they are still at work.
Federal Holidays--almost all educated people get holidays off.
$40K a year--not much money for someone with a master's degree and decades of experience.
Plus have to deal with misbehaving children, parents who are irrational, unfair politics, and a society that doesn't value what they do.
Yeah, sounds like a dream job.
If you think it's so great, become a teacher.

LILLY VONSCHTOOP

I already have a good job thanks. By the way....I said $40some thousand, not $40. Just curious....do you suffer from hyper-tension?

Informed

You knew what I meant.

Fordman

They will never get college paid of with those wages. They'll be lucky to have anybody wanting to teach the bratty kids in this day and age.

Wald

The school board at St. Mary's has gotten out of control. They slashed wages, disrespected Faber, and drove off the principal and the president/superintendent. In fact, they've gotten so bad that I heard the Toledo diocese told them they are not allowed to make any more decisions unless they clear them with Toledo first. Maybe Mrs. Widman-Neese can check on that. I feel bad for the veteran teachers there. They're really trapped. No public school is going to hire them because with their experience and degrees they'd be too expensive. This board doesn't care about the people that've given their all for the school. It's really a sad state of affairs.

Wjones44

I never trust a woman with hyphenated two last names.

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Alissa Widman Neese

Clever, but my last names actually don't have a hyphen between them, so you don't have to worry.

Sotiredofthiscrap

Ok, here we go again! People posting what they know nothing about, so here you go. Teachers taking a pay cut, how many people in the real world have never taken a pay cut to keep their job? The school is falling short because the church is no longer able to give money to the school. I have several children in the school and believe some of these teachers who are talking to the paper are the ones who need to go! They are waiting for retirement really not teaching anymore using the same material for the past 20 years. You can ask any parent who these teachers are and I bet it will be the same names. Just like many factories in this area the employees who held out and would not take a pay cut the factories have closed. You need to decide if you want to take a pay cut or loose your job totally. These are tough times and the board is trying to make what changes they can to keep the school up and running. Is this a perfect situation, No but what are the other choices out there? And as for the AD he was going to retire this year or next, he was not FIRED his contract was not renewed. No one is saying his work and dedication to the school did not go unnoticed but he is still living in the past meaning everyone knows he has refused for years to upgrade and learn to use a computer. Really?? The diocese made it clear to him several years ago that he needed to do this. But he refused and the administration at the school did nothing about it. No one can communicate with him without hunting him down at school. Does anyone think it is a smart idea to not have his accounting of sporting events in the computer for accountability? For his own sake I would think he would want this! How many people in their job refused to do what the boss said and still retained their job?? There comes a time when you need to ask yourself am I still being productive or am I just hanging on. They have there years in and can retire so don't feel sorry for them. I hope this reporter who graduated from SMCC along with her family is writing this article for the right reason and being objective and not out to prove anything. Just like the band director articles, I believe he still has not found a job. He wanted to tell his story which was very important to tell but I think it became more than what he bargained for.. These teachers need to stop take a deep breath and think.. of the different possible outcomes and be able to live with all of them!

Informed

Oh, but I thought SMCC was the best school around? You mean they have teachers who don't do a good job?!!! What a shocker!!
Why on earth would anyone who pays for private school tolerate any of what you just said?
Like I have stated, SMCC is no better than the other area schools. If people want to pay for it for the religious component, that is one thing. But to think people are paying for what they think is a better education is a joke.

OSUAV8TER

SMCC is a better option if you want more scholarship opportunities and to go to college. The numbers don't lie Informed. You are un-informed.

Informed

I would think that for a private school where people have to pay tuition, the college attendance rate should be 100%.

DickTracey

"SMCC is a better option if you want more scholarship opportunities"

Your parents spent thousands of dollars on your tuition every year. If they would have sent you to Perkins and banked all that money, it would be far more than any scholarship you could "try" to get at SMCC.

Informed

Bingo!

OSUAV8TER

Not if you tried withdrawing all that money from your investment accounts from 2008-2012.

My parents didn’t send me to SMCC just to go to college. They made an investment in my moral character. SMCC has the unique ability to provide a good moral opinion of how students should be in society through a Catholic education. SMCC preaches integrity, sympathy, forgiveness, honesty, etc. Public schools can’t do that. Most students graduate and become good people of the community.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/keld... - Scroll on down to the Moral Intelligence section.

Informed

Public schools encourage those same things, but without the Catholic dogma. Every hear of Character Counts? Ever hear of school rules?
Your parents made an investment in your religious character. Religion does not equal morality.

OSUAV8TER

Religion is very closely associated with morality. I.E. Religion - Don't kill someone, morality - don't kill someone, religion - don't cheat on your spouse, morality - don't cheat on your spouse, religion - don't steal, morality - don't steal, religion - be good to other people, morality - be good to other people.

Please tell me how religion is not equal to morality, or how morality didn't come from religion?

Your opinions are again, and again discounted with simple logic.

Informed

You have to be kidding me? So, according to you, there is no atheist on the face of this earth that is moral, and all religious people are moral, even more so if you are fanatically religious?
More evil has been committed in the world in the name of religion than any other "cause".
You don't need religion to learn that it is wrong to hurt, kill, steal, or cheat on people.

sugar

Informed, obviously no one taught you character or morality. You have spent the better part of an entire day attacking a school you know nothing about because you have never attended and not have your children. That's pathetic, someone above said it, this story is about the school and it's admin problems not the students. Get some help for your hatred. God forgive you.

Informed

I have not attacked anyone. I am merely stating facts in response to OSUAV8TER attacking people for spending their personal money on things other than SMCC, stating they were sheeple whose priorities were out of whack. He started the attack. I am merely responding.
I obviously know more about the school than some people whose kids attend it.
I don't hate anyone. Where did you get the idea that I have hatred? Sticking up for public school kids is hatred? Then so be it.
I have friends whose kids went to SMCC. Oh, and for the record, I am also a Catholic.

Wald

I find it hilarious that you have the gall to say you have not attacked anyone when it was your unprompted attack against children based on your hearsay evidence that started this whole thing. Are you really that feeble-minded that you don't remember typing that?

Informed

It was not unprompted. It was, in fact, in response to OSUAV8TER and his statements that because SMCC students are so fine that people's priorities are out of whack when they don't spend the money to send their children there.
I didn't attack children. Stating that some teens drink, have sex, and use birth control is not an attack. It's a statement of fact.

sugar

You must be a teacher Misinformed, you obviously are not working, think you know it all and are very defensive about the profession. You profess to be Catholic in one post but the next you post about Catholic dogma. I feel sorry for your students, you are not a nice person.

DickTracey

OSU, get off your high horse! Are you trying to tell me that you have better morals than my kids that went to public school? You are absolutely brainwashed from your catholic upbringing!

I MADE THE INVESTMENT IN MY CHILDREN'S MORAL CHARACTER! And i did it for free, I didnt pay some school to do it for me! The job of installing morals, integrity, empathy and hard work is the job of the parent, not the school!

I see by your comments all they taught you was to think you are better than anyone else! And by taught I mean
BRAINWASHED!

Shouldn't you be working, or volunteering at the hospital, or doing something of moral value right now?

OSUAV8TER

Hey Dick,

I'm defending my school against pompous antagonists like you. I probably do have more integrity than your kids. After all, it’s one of the core values I signed up for. I challenge your children to sign the line that I have. More on that below.

Your kids spend 6-8 hours at school, probably there more than in front of your face. Yes, it is their job to instill some kind of moral compass. At least that's how a Catholic school sees it.

Working lol! I work 12 hours a day 7 days a week. I’m working more than you! I'm 8.5 hours ahead of you right now buddy, defending freedom in Afghanistan. Every day I work to give these people a leg up in life. How’s my morality doing for you now?

Making emotional statements based on assumptions. Not smart Dick.

Informed

Public schools do that as well. It's called "code of conduct".
Huron had two graduates this year entering the military. How many did SMCC have?

sugar

You're ill get some help.

Informed

And you have poor grammar skills. Must be that great SMCC education.

sugar

You're chastising me for grammar on a blog? LMAO, you're nuts too. Oh I didn't go to St Mary's. More laughing.

swimfan

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observer

When I was in high school, and my late teens, we all knew that when you wanted to have a great party with a bunch of "easy" girls, you called the SMCC girls! That is a FACT! And it was also true! Those SMCC girls could throw a great party. Most every guy got "lucky", and most of the time the girls were the instigators! Don't tell me about SMCC morality....PLEASE!!

OSUAV8TER

Well aren't you an upstanding public school specimen.

OSUAV8TER

Denny Faber's contract not getting renewed is NOT being fired? What is it then? Forced retirement? You think they got rid of him because he didnt want to use a computer!? Come on, that is bogus. The Diocese came down hard on the school for getting rid of him like that.

Wjones44

All this Denny Faber talk makes me want to go get hammered and do the Denny Faber chant like we did at the basketball games. I drank more at SMCC than I did in College!

DickTracey

You have "several children in the school"? That's very shocking SoTired, because your rambling run on sentences and poor use of the English language, come off like a teenage girl. You ask questions and then answer them. "Really?"

Your comments and lack of empathy are anything but Christian.

Based on your comments, regarding an AD that refuses to use a computer, and teachers still teaching an agenda from twenty years ago, tell me the entire blame is on the ADMINISTRATION! They sat back and let this happen.

How caring and Christian like of you to point out that Brian still has no job! He was fired and shunned by your school and church community, and now you point the finger and laugh that he is unemployed.

You hired an educated woman from Michigan to come run your school. She got a taste of the antics and ran away in less than a year!

Last but not least, you threaten the young reporter that wrote this story! She is one of your own, and you call her out and let her know she better "not be out to prove anything"!

Take off the rose colored glasses SMCC, the walls are crumbling down, your reign is over. You can all sit and point the finger and blame everyone but yourselves.

I say KARMA, for all the years of turning a blind eye to priests abusing children, and firing a band director for being born gay.

DickTracey

SoTired, if you know the teachers are teaching the same CRAP from twenty years ago, why are you paying for "several" of your children to get such a poor education?

Sounds like you need to take off your rose colored glasses and get a clue.

You're "SoTiredOfThisCrap" but you are paying money to educate your children the SAME OLD CRAP every year!

Keep signing that tuition check sheeple!

Another Day

DickTracey, AGREE! And most parents are not wearing the rose colored glasses. Too many lies and betrayals over the years. As an FYI...many have stopped paying and many have transferred out. Parents are done with it all. And yes, it is so bad one teacher gives the same content in the class to 2 different grades; another one literally has to have a retake of practically every test so kids pass and SHE gets a good grade based on her kids testing scores. When people are hiring outside tutors to teach their kids it is bad. But they just ignore the parents concerns, emails, phone calls, notes, conferences. They smile and say "Oh they are doing great". "Yes thank you for that 'F' I just saw on Progress Book", if that is great then I sure am confused on what is not great.

Smcc Alum

Dick

Nobody at Smcc thinks that they are better than anyone who went to a public school. Smcc is definitely not perfect. However, they do a much better job than public schools do at teaching morality. Furthermore, Smcc has a better education, graduation rate (insert joke about graduating class #'s here), and scholarship amount than local public schools. Why do you assume Catholics believe they are better than everyone else? You know what assuming does right?

As to the above comment made by @observer about Smcc girls being the "easy" girls. You could not have commented anything more ignorant and insulting than that. That comment is a generalization labeled on catholic women, and by no means a fact. Also, "most of the guys got lucky". Assuming that you received a public school education, have you or any of the guys not learned any morality from your public school? Because if you did, you would hopefully understand that sex is not a game or a contest, and I find it pathetic that men and even women treat it that way. Granted, nobody at Smcc leaves as a perfect human being. But I know for sure, that the important private education provided by Smcc, especially religion, has made an impact on every student in my class.

Wjones44

A much better job than public schools teaching morality? Does that include sex between student and teacher?

OSUAV8TER

Once again W, your comment is irrelevant to this topic.

Wjones44

Only in your mind OSU. My comment is a direct response to SMCC's claim of SMCC teaching better morals than public schools. In turn, you must mean the original comment that I commented on is also irrelevant.

OSUAV8TER

What school teaches/allows/encourages their faculty to have sex with underage students? Your perception of reality is twisted.

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