Catholic schools extol differences

The Catholic Diocese of Toledo boasts its almost 200 schools across the region are “different by design” according to its slogan.
Alissa Widman Neese
Feb 5, 2014

 

Each year, students at those schools — including several locally — set aside the final week of January as Catholic Schools Week to celebrate those differences and thank the individuals who allow them to happen each day.

Catholics nationwide have recognized the weeklong celebration since 1974.

“I’ve always told our kids the reason we celebrate Catholic Schools Week is because the education they have is truly a gift,” said Rita Dominick, coordinator of special activities at Sandusky Central Catholic School. “It’s a spirit-building week with a purpose of giving thanks, so we can appreciate that gift”

Treacherous winter weather and numerous school cancellations cut the Catholic Schools Week celebration a bit short this past week, prompting some schools, such as Immaculate Conception School in Port Clinton, to extend their much-anticipated activities into Monday and Tuesday.

At Immaculate Conception School, activities included Mass, a book fair, fun dress-up days and a pajama day paired with popcorn and a showing of the movie “Despicable Me 2” in the school gym. The students also collected donations for Heartbeat of Ottawa County, to benefit new and expectant mothers in the area.

On Tuesday, the celebration finished with Bible bingo, a variation of the traditional game using symbols and images from Bible stories. Students in older grades paired with students in younger grades to complete their bingo cards.

“We look forward to Catholic Schools Week every year” fifthgrader Garrett Hirt said. “It’s fun, and it makes us thankful, because we realize how lucky we are to go to school here”

At Sandusky Central Catholic School, the week’s activities also included dress-up days, as well as a scavenger hunt and a Mass with students in all grade levels. The school invited three alumni who are now priests — Charles Singler, Jeremy Miller and Ken Lill — to participate.

A highlight this year: When the school gathered in “The Den” on Friday for a concluding pep and faith rally, they used their new video scoreboard with Margaretta Schools student Ali McKean, 7, through Skype chatting.

Ali’s mother visited the school in the fall to talk about her daughter’s rare genetic condition, which makes it impossible for her to attend a traditional school. Since then, Sandusky Central Catholic School students have rallied to support the family.

During the discussion, the group presented the McKean family with almost $1,000 to help with medical expenses, offered words of encouragement and also prayed for Ali’s strength and well-being.

Elizabeth Ficocelli, a nationally known speaker, was scheduled to speak at Sandusky Central Catholic School, but her visit is postponed until next month because of weatherrelated cancellations.

Comments

Ned Mandingo

different how????? They charge people tuition to send their kids to a school with underpaid teachers, most of witch don't even have teaching degrees.
Maybe its the homosexual pedophile priests lurking around the halls that make them different.

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"different how????? They charge people tuition to send their kids to a school with underpaid teachers, most of witch don't even have teaching degrees.
Maybe its the homosexual pedophile priests lurking around the halls that make them different."

~Perhaps a third grader from a Catholic School could help you with your grammar, punctuation, capitalizations, and definitely your spelling.

John Harville

"most ... don't even have teaching degrees.." is a stretch. I do know of two - and no, I won't name them to avoid embarrassing them and the school - because it is not illegal. Under Ohio Law, private schools may set their own standards as far as certification and teaching degrees. Ohio requires a bachelor's degree and passing background check.
The Charter School laws require only 75% of their teachers have certificates - which is one reason there has always been so much complaining about them.
Wanna know somethin' scary for you? I have a degree in English and can be granted a certificate to SUBSTITUTE TEACH in PUBLIC school and to TEACH in private school.

John Harville

"Most states will require evidence of a bachelor's degree and a background check before approving a teacher hire in a private school. But, apart from that minimum requirement, most state education authorities take a hands off approach.

The bottom line is that private schools can hire whoever they wish.

Nemesis

"most ... don't even have teaching degrees.." is a stretch. I do know of two - and no, I won't name them to avoid embarrassing them and the school"

What's embarrassing about not having a teaching degree?

anthras

ned says "underpaid teachers, most of witch don't even have teaching degrees.

Would you please cite your source proving that most don't even have teaching degrees. If you do not have proof then I will pass it off as gossip.

The student ratio of graduates attending and graduating college is very good are you saying that the collages are accepting students from high schools that are not using teachers without degrees????

Are you saying that the state board of education is now allowing teachers in the class rooms even though they do not have a degree???

Maybe the state is not aware of the situation so I feel that you should share your proof with the state.

DickTracey

If you want to pretend that you are smarter than Ned, I would suggest learning how to spell, college.

It is hard to take you serious with your terrible sentence structure and know it all attitude.

When I read it, I laughed because it either sounds like a Valley Girl, or Bob and Tom's "She's Talkin' Again", song!

The extra question marks really make Ned look stupid! Ya know, I mean sure, like duh, I went to " collage", duh.

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"When I read it, I laughed because it either sounds like a Valley Girl, or Bob and Tom's "She's Talkin' Again", song!"

No comma is needed after the word "Again". If you were to insert a comma, it would be right after the word "Tom's". A comma should be placed before the word "because".

I got called the grammar/spelling police. They may refer to you as the grammar/spelling Nazi. Just a heads up.

I would like to thank Alissa for an insightful article. I did learn from the story. I hope others have read it, and not just skipped down to the comments to make generic clichés about Catholics.

anthras

DickTracey, I have read my post again and fail to see anything that would imply that I am pretending that I am smarter than Ned.

You must be much smarter than I to detect that thought or it might just be a random assumption on your part.

I do hope that my spelling and punctuation in this post will be acceptable to anyone that reads it as I can only assume that it must be difficult for persons of perfection to read my posts as I am only human.

I did take the time to us my spell checker on this post and I can only hope that it is working correctly as I do not want ever again to offend anybody

John Harville

OHIO LAW...
will require evidence of a bachelor's degree and a background check before approving a teacher hire in a private school. But, apart from that minimum requirement, most state education authorities take a hands off approach.

"The bottom line is that private schools can hire whoever they wish."

Substitute teachers in PUBLIC SCHOOLS need not have a teaching certificate, either.

DickTracey

I'm sure the Catholics shamed Alissa into writing a warm and fuzzy story about their school, to offset the bad press they got from firing Mr. Panetta. It's clearly damage control.

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Actually, I decided to pursue this story on my own DickTracey.

wally44824

Alissa, out of curiosity (and the relevance of that answer to this article), did you attend a catholic school?

John Harville

wally... she's a graduate of SMCC...

wally44824

Thanks John, and I'm not surprised. She's obviously still brain-washed by those years of being "educated" in a catholic school.

John Harville

Be kind. She's young and just attempting to learn to be a 'journalist' - of which there are so few. I do wish she had talked about the 'difference' in educational requirement, testing, test scores - and talk again about the rather revolutionary education plan they are basing on a book about traits of successful people in BUSINESS.

Dcfred20036

I think Alissa is far from having been brainwashed, not any more than I was when I attended SM. She is quite talented, if you ask me: she broke a story-- the firing of Brian Panetta --that ended up being national news and mentioned on the front page of the New York Times, the most important paper in the USA.... Not bad for a reporter of a newspaper with a circulation of about 20k. I see good things in her future!

wally44824

Fred, you drink the katholic Kool-Aid as well? Good luck.

Dcfred20036

LOL, Wally. I'm not the most popular person at SM these days; so if I was brainwashed, well, they did a terrible job at it.

sugar

Don't you just LOVE the arrogance of the grammar/ spelling police? Jmop squeeze your head out its full of water or sh$&.

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JMOP

By all means Sugar, I'm not part of the grammar/spelling police dept.
When someone is degrading an educational institute and doesn't know the the difference between witch/which, well then, that speaks for itself.

Squeeze my head out if it's what? Where might my head be if it's full of water or sh$&?

sugar

Ned made an observation and expressed an opinion. You, MOP, degraded a person for not holding your belief about an institution. Get it MOP?

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He judged an institution in which the basis is learning, I judged his literacy. Get it Sugar?

sugar

Of course you did, and I am judging the sh@@ in your head. lol

John Harville

ssugar... you're judging harshly, thus, as most any good Catholic School student will tell you, YOU will be judged by the same sh@@y measure.

SKULLNBONES

They are different, for example, because they are bigoted homophobes. Also because so many of their priests are pedophiles. Very different.

Dr. Information

"so many"snip…..care to give some intellectual proof on that comment?

sugar

Are you kidding? Diocese all over the county are filing for bankruptcy due to the transgressions of their pedophile priests.

John Harville

Even if only ONE priest fondles a boy or girl... that's TEN too many because of all that don't get found out.

Ned Mandingo

Insecure people resort to personal attacks when they can't debate facts.

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JMOP

Yes. You're right.
Calling Priests pedophiles, and saying the teachers are under qualified are personal attacks.

The fact is, which witch is which is something I learned in third grade. Nothing to debate, facts are facts.

DGMutley

Props!

John Harville

"In Ohio as in most states the Dept. of Ed. will require evidence of a bachelor's degree (NOT A TEACHING DEGREE) and a background check before approving a teacher hire in a private school.
But, apart from that minimum requirement, most state education authorities take a hands off approach.
The bottom line is that private schools can hire whoever they wish."
For example, I have a BS in English and can apply for and gain a certificate to substitute teach in a PUBLIC school.
I can teach in any private school that will hire me.
Read the law if you don't believe it.
Public schools even hire teachers with a teaching degree but who have not successfully passed the PRAXIS exam to gain a certificate.
Whether SCCS hires such persons with degrees but without certification is information I'm obtaining. I do know several years ago our child was taught by a long-term sub with NO degree in math with a background in banking to teach math.

sanduskymom

Why John? So you can "brew" er up more stories? Your child did not attend SCCS....so why is your situation with a math teacher relevant?

John Harville

Sorry. Your little ploy is misdirected - and against the rules. Sincerely hope the one you intend to malign doesn't decide to sue you.... but I'll be sure to pass it on.
How do YOU know WHERE my children attended? The information merely explains how schools can hire teachers without teaching degrees. HOWEVER, sanduskymom, you can't irk me into naming the non-certified teaches at SCCS.
Actually, my post was DEFENDING the Catholic School legal right UNDER THE LAW to hire people without TEACHING CERTIFICATES to teach.

John Harville

MODERATOR... this clearly is an attempt - though misdirected - to violate the Mollom policy and reveal an identity. I've communicated with the person implied and he is more than willing to pursue action.

Nemesis

If it's factual, there's no violation. Truth is an affirmative defense to a defamation claim.

sanduskymom

It's factual!

John Harville

Prove it! Break the rest of the rules and then we can be rid of you when proven wrong.

"You cannot make posts (or create usernames) containing:
PERSONAL ATTACKS (including: name calling, presumption of guilt or guilt by association, insensitivity or picking fights),
PERSONAL INFORMATION
Remarks that discriminate based on age, race, religion, disability, etc,
Remarks advocating illegal or violent actions,
Libel and defamation,
Profane, obscene, sexual or derogatory language,
Spam.
Off-topic comments,
Lengthy excerpts from other websites."

Now if Jason will do his job...

Babo

You'd be the first one banned John.

anthras

As I did request in my prior post Ned to cite facts you should have a source for the facts please advise me of your source for your alleged facts.

DickTracey

She's talkin' again! All those words, and only one period.

Are you smarter than a fifth grader?

Thanks, though, now that song is stuck in my head all day.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KHo...

John Harville

I cited facts for you... from the OHIO REVISED CODE..

Or is that not sufficient?

Of course SCCS is fighting to claim its 'private' status that allows it to keep personnel information private... despite more than a HALF MILLION DOLLARS in state aid included in its published budget.

sugar

Yes they do, but MOP believes citing facts is in the same category.

burgerlover

Just because a couple of people did wrong doesn't mean that you have to go around badmouthing the entire faith and school system. I attend a catholic high school , I am very proud to say that I do. Catholic schools go above the standards for all of there students. We are definitely more than average. I am glad to say also that we also had a fun- filled (shortened!) catholic schools week!

DGMutley

Agree!

Pterocarya frax...

Where Is JMOP to attack this Catholic school student for terrible sentence structure and punctuation, misspellings, and use of the wrong
"there"?

burgerlover

Not everyone is a grammar superstar! I am hoping that my point got across to you people!

Nemesis

If you are going to defend/extol the excellence of the institution that is supposed to teach you how to write correctly, not writing correctly tends to diminish the credibility of your message. Not realizing this also doesn't speak strongly for the training you've received in critical thinking, or in the value of putting your best foot forward.

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Oh Pterocarya frax....

As I have stated, in my earlier response to about being the grammar/spelling police, I said I was NOT!
Ned was putting down an institution of learning, when clearly, by reading his paragraph, had many errors. It's called irony people.

FYI, I went to a public school. In my elementary years, I was sent to a LD class for my reading comprehension. I was taught to be better, seems as though some must've slipped through the cracks around here.

As for the student that attends a Catholic school, he should be proud. He remained respectful in making his point when people were personally disrespecting his schooling. He's better than us in that manner.

Pterocarya frax...

Just because you say you aren't the grammar police, that is what you attacked Ned Mandingo for. Reread your response to him. But you didn't do the same to the burger lover. Could it be that it is because you agree with burger boy, but not Mandingo?

Don't get me wrong...Mandingo deserves to be taken to task for his racist hateful attitude he shows, but attack him for that, not grammar.

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JMOP

"Just because you say you aren't the grammar police, that is what you attacked Ned Mandingo for. Reread your response to him. But you didn't do the same to the burger lover. Could it be that it is because you agree with burger boy, but not Mandingo?"

Attacked? I clearly stated where he may be able to get the help he needs with his illiteracy. That would be the school system he's putting down.
If anyone was attacked, it was me. I was called arrogant by Sugar, who also said my head was full of water and sh$&. I also believe Ned was directing his comment about insecure people to me.

As for agreeing with BurgerLover over Ned;
BurgerLover was respectful, he never called anyone a derogatory name or made false accusations about a group.
You may have also noticed, I called out DickTracey, who was ripping on someone with sentence errors, when he also made a few mistakes.
The story even had errors. So if I were the grammar/spelling police, I would call out everyone.
Did I call these people names? No. Was it about agreeing or disagreeing? No.

"Don't get me wrong...Mandingo deserves to be taken to task for his racist hateful attitude he shows, but attack him for that, not grammar."

Ned never made a racist comment, or maybe I missed it, cause I'm far from perfect.

The last thing I need is, someone telling me what and who to attack. I don't attack.
I also don't know how I'm suppose to respond to your command of suppression.

wetsu

their...

Perhaps not in English.

John Harville

"...above the standards for all of there (sic) students.." I only pointed out your error because you were touting the superiority of a Catholic education.
Catholic schools also administer their own achievement tests on which they base such "we are more than average" comments. Yes, I speak from personal knowledge of education in a Catholic school.

Babo

It's interesting that the SR permits comments on stories about Catholic Schools, a non profit charitable institution, and the children served. However the SR does not allow comments on stories written by or to promote for profit businesses such as Intuit; a local law firm; and even a SR columnist.

Invariably, most of us have to endure the ignorant/uneducated comments of a few posters who seem intent on tearing down others (including children) to compensate for their insecurities. The SR and its comments section is a great example of the decline of collective American intellectual capital.

sugar

And we have to put up with arrogant over bearing bullies like you.

Babo

"The SR and its comments section is a great example of the decline of collective American intellectual capital."

Thank you Sugar babe for proving my point.

sugar

And thank you Babo for proving mine.

John Harville

How is SCCS a 'charitable institution'?

Tuition is deductible (said the parent of a Catholic school student).

sanduskymom

Again, John, you are wrong. Tuition is NOT deductible. I thought you had first-hand experience with Catholic schools?

John Harville

Again Sandy, you are misguided.

"The exception to this rule is the intangible religious benefit received ..."

I have experience with Catholic schools in three states and always deducted the tuition. Never been challenged. Now, why don't you use the name and see if you get that "er" person in trouble.

Nemesis

First of all, John, tuition is NOT deductible. Yet another of your inaccurate assertions.

Second, DONATIONS to almost all charitable institutions are deductible, meaning your statement is both inaccurate AND irrelevant.

John Harville

...again How is SCCS a charitable institution?

"The exception to this rule is the intangible religious benefit received"

Nemesis

Except that tuition is for the tangible educational services. Religious benefit is free, unless they are passing the collection plate on Sunday morning at gunpoint. I'm sure, if they were doing that, we'd have heard about it in the Register.

And, again, if, as you claim, tuition were deductible, that would support, rather than refute, the assertion that it is a charitable institution.

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It seems as if it is the Catholic diocese who is attempting 'damage control' after the termination of Brian Panetta by SMCC. There has admittedly been a very well deserved stain on their public vestments as it were. Thank you to the Sandusky Register for exposing the hypocrisy and homophobia of St. Mary's Catholic Church! I find it strangely ironic that this year's Catholic Schools Week theme is "Different By Design". Each of us is designed differently and our differences should be praised and encouraged. Not shamed as St. Mary's and numerous community members believe. Also appropriate that they showed "Despicable Me" because that is what the Northwest Ohio diocese is...despicable.

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JMOP

"Damage control"? Catholic week was started in 1974 according to this article. Way before Mr. Panetta was born.

sugar

But don't actually BE different!!! LMAO!!!

sanduskymom

So then, why do you send your grandchildren there?

Common Sense

This article is about Catholic Schools Week as observed by the Toledo Diocese during the final week of January. As for the teachers in the Catholic Schools being licensed, I think Ned Mandingo missed the point of the article. Then, many of you wished to worry about spelling, grammar, and punctuation.

Could we just acknowledge that the Catholic Schools Week is a time for our students to be proud of their school just as it is in many public schools?

For the record, the difference that Catholic Schools can also tout is that values development (according to the Roman Catholic Church...not infallible) and daily prayer are included in the curriculum. I'm not certain about this, but does anyone know if there has ever been a school shooting in a Catholic school?

Ned Mandingo

Let me break down the facts that back up my earlier statement.
1 over 3,000 catholic priests have had been accused of sexual assault on young boys.
2 over 100 have been convicted
3Their church has paid out billions of dollars in hush money to cover it up.
4 they do not require a teaching degree, only a college degree.
5 the wages and benefits they offer are way less than public schools.
6Many new teachers take a job at a catholic school, only too leave when they get a good job.
In my opinion anyone who still supports this church after all their secrets are public knowledge is not a rational thinking person and their personal insults have no merit. It is impossible to debate brainwashed people who finically support the largest group of homosexual pedophiles in the world.
Most public schools are in my opinion better equipped to teach children with some exclusions. This does not include sandusky city schools or public schools in urban areas of Toledo.

Babo

Where did you obtain your facts?

1. You claim over 3,000 Catholic priests have been accused (note not convicted) of sexual assault on young boys. What time frame do these allegations cover and what was the total population of priests during the time frame?

For example there are over 410,000 priests now and if your time period covers more than 50 years one would have to substantially increase the total of number of priests. In any event using your figure of 3,000 ALLEGED abusive priests of young boys (note: girls don't matter?) the incidence of priests who ALLEGEDLY abuse children is about 0.73%.

Don't get me wrong there should be zero tolerance of abuse by priests in the Church, but I'm willing to bet the incidence of alleged serious sexual abuse of children is far higher in area police departments and schools than in the Catholic church as indicated by the James Fitzpatrick case, the Ricky Vitte Jr. case and the teacher cases.

2. You claim over 100 have been convicted. Again that would be 100 out of over 410,000 priests. An incidence of less than 0.025% Again, zero tolerance is the goal but it's far lower than the rate of convicted sex offenders in the Sandusky Police Department or area school systems.

3. The Church has paid out a lot of money (billions sounds excessive) not to cover up the abuse but to pay damages to the victims of abuse by its employee priests. That is the right thing to do in my opinion. Unfortunately the victims of government sex abuse usually don't see any money. Where's the moral outrage over police and public school teacher sexual abuse of children

4. It is intellectually far more rigorous to obtain a Bachelor of Science in Mathematics, Biology, or Chemistry or even History than it is to obtain a teaching degree. In fact the state allows people with science degrees to take a few classes in teaching methods and they can then teach in public schools because they are better teachers. The Catholic Schools model works because Catholic school students consistently out perform public school students nationwide.

5. Yes, the wages and benefits are lower than public schools, because religious school teachers view their work as God directed service to others. In other words they do not measure success by money or materialism.

6. Some teachers probably do accept a job in Catholic schools and leave because they want more money. That's not a bad thing, because if money is what drives them they would not be happy long term in a religious school.

The above facts demonstrate that local police departments and area schools have a higher rate of sexual abuse of children than does the Catholic church. Moreover, the police departments and schools do not pay damages to their victims but use the power of government to avoid responsibility.

Pursuant to your "logic", no rational person should support the police or public schools with their tax dollars because of the excessive rate of child sexual abuse in these institutions. But then you may be easily "brainwashed" by government and media because your writing and critical thinking skills indicate that you have not earned a college degree.

John Harville

3,000 or three... in 10 or 1,000 years - what would be your standard?

3,000 discovered/reported.... doesn't mean there were only 3,000 priests. And how many years of abuse and moving around for each priest

And how many molested children?

Babo

Mr. Harville:

It was specifically stated that zero tolerance is the goal. Also, data prove that the incidence of allegations and convictions of sexual abuse by law enforcement officers and public school employees far exceeds the incidence in the Catholic Church. Moreover, the Church is settling its lawsuits while victims of child sexual abuse in government institutions face enormous hurdles in courts.

Child sexual abuse is abhorrent everywhere, Those who are extolling the virtues of public schools over Catholic schools ought to work to clean up their own schools and police departments which higher incidences of child sexual abuse than the Church.

Has there been a recent allegation (within the last 10 years) of child sexual abuse at SMCC? None?

Now compare that figure (zero) to the many teachers, police officers, government officials and even the publisher of this newspaper that have had allegations or convictions of sex crimes involving children in the Sandusky Register reading area.

Dcfred20036

Babo as to within the last 10 years, does this count?

www.morningjournal.com/general-n...

John Harville

Babo... "has there been a recent allegation (within the last 10 years) of child sexual abuse at SMCC?..."

Well from the Morning Journal.
"Smith ( football coach at SCCS) was terminated from employment at St. Mary Central Catholic High School as of yesterday, said Judy Monaghan, superintendent at Sandusky Central Catholic Schools.

Monaghan declined to provide further details, but said the allegations are troubling because they go against the schools' mission and because the district has good people working there.

"It's just an unfortunate time," Monaghan said. [great understatement]

"You get hit with allegations about one of your teachers who's very well-liked and that's quite a shock," she added. "

NEXT QUESTION?

Nemesis

That was a violation of professional ethics, but since the student was 18, it wasn't child molestation or sexual abuse, so, yes, there have been allegations of improprieties, but not of sexual abuse of children.

Dcfred20036

It was a violation of state law.

Nemesis

But that's not what Babo was asking.

John Harville

A person in a position of authority with power over another is then sexual abuse of an adult. If your boss insists you have sex with him/her, it is abusive and a felony.
Split all the hairs you want.
If you want to play it that way, then a teacher/coach can have consensual sex with a student 16 or older - which is part of the Church's plea in the infamous suit of 10 years ago. Some of the young men were 16-18.
The court - and the law - didn't agree.

Nemesis

"If your boss insists you have sex with him/her, it is abusive and a felony."

So, then, Mr. Progressive, does that make your icon Bill Clinton a felon?
No, it's a cause of action for a lawsuit, but it's not a crime, and absent the insistence part, it's just an office romance, which may or may not implicate corporate policies.

The Big Dog's back

nemesis, you lost this argument, move on.

Babo

No, the detractors of Catholic schools lost this point in a landslide. Locally, the facts demonstrate that there were several convictions for child sexual abuse in the public schools in Erie County including a Sandusky Schools/Sandusky police program as opposed to no convictions for child sexual abuse at SMCC.

Nemesis

Apparently not, because Babo has made it clear their example does not constitute an answer to his question.

Nemesis

Ned,

Your facts regarding the abuse scandal are irrelevant to any comparison of schools or evaluation of Catholic schools, because such abuse is not limited to Catholic clergy or religious schools, and thus it's not a valid comparison metric. BUT.... if you insist on using it as one, the Catholic schools end up looking pretty good:

-290,000 students experienced some sort of physical sexual abuse by a public school employee from 1991 to 2000 (a ten year period.)

-10,667 young people were sexually mistreated by priests from 1950 to 2002.(a 52 year period.)

-In one year, in one state, representin 1/15th of the US population. there were 13,000 reports of social workers abusing those under their supervision.

In other words, Public school teachers abused TWENTY SEVEN times as many kids as the priests did in less than one fifth the time period, and a school child's chance of being sexually abused by a school employee is 1.89 percent, compared to .19 percent for a priest. State social workers are 951 times more likely to abuse a disabled person under their supervision than a Catholic priest was to sexually abuse a child.

A 2004 U.S. Department of Education report reported that "the most accurate data available" reveals that "nearly 9.6 percent of [public school] students are targets of educator sexual misconduct sometime during their school career." That's about 100 times the rate of abuse by priests.

Newsweek: "Since the mid-1980s, insurance companies have offered sexual misconduct coverage as a rider on liability insurance, and their own studies indicate that Catholic churches are not higher risk than other congregations." and "experts who study child abuse say they see little reason to conclude that sexual abuse is mostly a Catholic issue."

Wait, you say, it's not about the abuse, it's about the coverup! Well......that same 2004 report cited an important study from the mid-1990s:

"In an early [1994] study of 225 cases of educator sexual abuse in New York, all of the accused had admitted to sexual abuse of a student BUT NONE of the abusers was reported to authorities."

John Harville

You are your own NEMESIS. In this discussion you cannot compare public and parochial for one reason.

Public Schools do not tout their 'difference' being the inclusion of RELIGION permeating the curriculum.

"apples to apples" don't you know (check the logo)

Nemesis

So, your answer to a kid molested by a public school teacher is "stop whining, you're OK because your molester didn't tout the inclusion of religion as a difference."

Yet another one of your failures of logic.

Ned compares the Catholic schools negatively to the public schools on the basis of the abuse scandal. The problem is, the public schools' have their own abuse problem and it's WORSE. Thus Ned's comparison is at best invalid, and at worst it favors the Catholic schools, especially since their abuse problem has been uncovered, and the dirty laundry has been aired. The fact remains that, statistically, your child is more likely to be molested in a public school than in a Catholic school. If your goal is to prevent your child being molested (and for any sane parent it is) then all questions of religion aside, the Catholic school is the logical choice. I know actively practicing Orthodox Jews, Baptists, and Muslims, as well as atheists who had a Catholic education. You don't even believe your own rhetoric, John, because, from your comments on political articles, it's clear you voted for a president who attended religious schools that teach hatred of our nation and society.

The religious claims of the molestor make no difference to the victim, and it's dismissive of the victim for you to claim they do.

By the way, religion isn't the major difference in the Catholic schools. It's the fact that they are allowed to screen out the sort of students who bring down the public schools. They share that chatacteristic with every other private school, be it Catholic, Prostestant, Jewish, Muslim, or secular.

John Harville

Wow. Come on baby, let's do the twist.
You cannot compare the issue on a public/private basis because of the other reasons you state "they are allowed to screen out the sort of students who bring down the public schools". So because all private or private/public schools (Charter) can be elitist their students should be safer.
"The religious claims of the molestor make no difference to the victm..." And then you 'twist' again. Actually the 'status' of the molestor IS important... coach, principal, pastor... adds the 'power' to the equation
Has a child of yours ever been molested? Have you? Unless you can answer in the affirmative to EITHER question, you should just SHUT THE F**K UP about 'dismissiveness'.

Nemesis

Poor John, so bereft of basic logic. If the metric is the presence of sexual abuse, we can absolutely compare any two institutions that place children under the supervision of adults. The selectivity or religious affiliation of the institution is irrelevant to said comparison, UNLESS you stipulate that it's somehow better to be molested by a secular principal than by a pastor. The status matters with respect to power differential, but not with respect to religious affiliation. As such, your statement is dismissive of the plight of those molested by secular authorities.

I never said selectivity means students should be safer. Your insinuation to that effect is the only "twist" here. I made zero claims about the reasons why a child might be safer in one institution than another. I merely pointed out that statistics demonstrate that Catholic schools have a better record than public schcools when it comes to the metric Ned chose.

What I don't understand is why citing this simple statistical fact renders you so angry.

Nemesis

Ned,

As to your fourth point, I would call that a FEATURE, not a flaw. I would much rather have my child taught by someone with a degree in the subject matter being taught than an education degree, which amounts to 4 years of immersion in leftist, statist indoctrination mixed with new age pseudo science such as the almost religious fixation with self esteem. Education departments at most universities are populated by the portion of the student body with the lowest SAT scores. MOST private schools, including the top secular private prep schools, seek teachers with degrees in the subject matter they will be teaching. Maybe if the public schools would hire all those English majors away from Starbucks, we could raise the literacy rate of our high school graduates.

As for the monetary compensation being less in Catholic schools, that's also a feature. I'd rather have my kid taught by someone who is there out of a sense of dedication than by a mercenary. People love to tout professionalism as a virtue, but never forget, your wife is an amateur, and the woman standing on the street corner in a bad neighborhood asking passing motorists if they want a date is a professional.

"Most public schools are in my opinion better equipped to teach children with some exclusions."

The empirical results militate to the contrary.

Dcfred20036

At least, Catholic schools throughout the US got the memo that they need to be consistent when enforcing their "employment contracts". This week a Montana Catholic school fired an unwed pregnant teacher, who will probably sue as pregnancy is a protected federal class. Interesting note: The Diocese of Helena-- which oversees the school-- filed for bankruptcy a few days ago amid 362 sex abuse claims!

John Harville

...and more to come - ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL RULING ABOUT SAME-SEX COUPLES.

SCCS gets federal subsidies.

Nemesis

No, some of the students do. The federal government has been very careful to make sure that is the case.

John Harville

No... it's administered through the schools. Having worked in a school cafeteria I can assure you the federal money comes through the lunchroom budget.

Nemesis

Yes, THROUGH. It's a pass through.

But I get it, John - the careful reasoning of all the lawyers from 535 Congressional offices, two cabinet departments, and all the federal courts is meaningless because it doesn't support your need to attack an institution with which you have a bone to pick.

John Harville

yeah. you get it. The school budgets $506 million in STATE FUNDING as part of its overall budget.
The cafeterias utilize federal subsidies.
The state specifically is creating more legislation to give private schools money for administrative and instruction cost.

wally44824

"catholic schools: different by design, and proud of that difference" may be their motto, but here are a few examples of that difference:

1--Pedophile priests who get moved to another church rather than being punished for their CRIMES;
2--Extremely low pay for their employees;
3--EXPECT the employees to donate their time and personal resources for the benefit of the school, and not provide the same philosophy when said employees ask the school / church for the same in return;
4--Preach love and harmony while practicing the exact opposite;
5--Recruiting of student athletes (St. Ignatius, St. Ed's, Bishop Ready, Moeller, SMCC wrestling, etc.);
6--I could continue with several more examples, but think you get the point.

The catholic church is the most hypocritical organization on Earth. It preaches one thing (treat your fellow man well, follow the Top Ten, etc.), but practices the COMPLETE OPPOSITE. It's a shame so many catholics still have their rose-colored glasses on and are blinded by the teachings of their puppet masters / CULT leaders.

John Harville

"Different by Design" is worn thin in 40 years.
The 'design' really isn't that different anymore.
Looking at the SCCS schedule, you'll discover there isn't daily mass any longer - only special masses. And several students have reported there is no daily prayer... which would have been the key difference.
Throughout the Diocese Catholic schools are not bound by employment laws (ie: seniority) and illegally claim being above state laws and standards.
Catholic Schools Week for years has been a recruitment tool and quest for fundraising (says the former Boosters chair) - and a tool for retention.

sanduskymom

Again John, YOU ARE WRONG!!! Students go to mass every week. They haven't gone to daily mass in many, many years (at least prior to the 1970s!) And, show me where "several students have reported there is no daily prayer?" Because, again, it's just not true. It happens there every single day. I know because I've actually been there and HEARD it.

I'm not sure what your issue is with SCCS. It's obvious you continue to lie and "brew" er up stories. Why not focus on what is happening in your own community of Clyde?

John Harville

ya know Sandy... you can play your brewer game all you want. It gets you no where. You can think you are identifying me... and if you were I would be proud of that. I think you should re-read the privacy policy and understand your responsibility for violating it.

"When you participate in comment discussions attached to blog posts, you are responsible for what you post. Although we will not screen all contributed content, we reserve the right to remove anything we deem inappropriate, without any possibility of recourse or redress on your part.

"Be aware that some users will rely on the content of your posts. You – and not Mollom BVBA – are responsible for your posts, and you hereby fully indemnify us from any claim we might receive from third parties harmed by your content."

John Harville

NODERATOR... remove Sandusky Mom or face potential legal action.

Nemesis

Get a life, Harville. Quit trying to silence those who disagree with you.

John Harville

My children attended Mass every day in the 80s and at least twice a wee in the 90s. So sorry about SCCS.

And again you want me to be like you and 'name' people who have their own 'daily experiences' in SCCS schools and know that other than 'Bless us o Lord and these thy gifts' before lunch and a morning "Our Father", there is little in the way of prayer. We also know that non-Catholic teachers cannot lead Catholic prayers or teach religion.
But obviously you are content in the 'fullness' of your knowledge.. so, why don't you try some other way to 'reveal' my identity.

Nemesis

"Throughout the Diocese Catholic schools are not bound by employment laws (ie: seniority) and illegally claim being above state laws and standards."

You mean the same laws that violate our constitutional right to freedom of association, and which have largely been responsible for making the quality of our manufacturing sector an international laughing stock? The same laws that cause the NYC schools to have a room where teachers that they can't fire sit all day because they won't let them near a classroom? The same laws that get a cop reinstated after he's fired for driving drunk at 70 mph above the posted limit?

Now I finally get the source of your Catholic-bashing, John. You're a marxist, and marxism places the state as supreme, so it cannot tolerate the concept of God.

John Harville

Don't like facts?

Nemesis

I love facts, and most of yours are false. Your comments on articles about economic and political issues telegraph your philosophy; they are full of leftist, statist agitprop.

John Harville

ENROLLMENT IS DROPPING locally and nationwide.

"Enrollment in Catholic schools nationwide declined almost 12% for the 2012-13 school year compared with five years ago, a National Catholic Education Association (NCEA) report says. About 2 million children, from pre-K to 12th grade, attend Catholic schools across the U.S. In 2007-08, there were 2.27 million, says the report, released in February.

That's consistent with other enrollment drops over the past 10 years. Since 2003 the number of students attending a Catholic school has fallen nearly 22%, according to NCEA's Annual Statistical Report on Schools, Enrollment and Staffing.

Or don't you believe the NCEA either?

Enrollment at the local high school, according to one of its students who wrote here, is about 200. 20 years ago that figure was almost double - according to a CSW article in 1994.

Ned Mandingo

Babo, i used my computer to look up the facts, duh
One more discussing fact about that church. CATHOLICS ARE THE MOST LIKELY GROUP OF PEOPLE TO SEXUALLY ASSAULT YOUNG CHILDREN. PERIOD!!!!! Look it up.
Who in their right mind would have anything to do with a organization like that.

Nemesis

Cite? I've already quoted multiple sources to the effect that your statement is patently false.

Ned Mandingo

I feel sorry for the good people this religion has taken advantage of.
Your whole religion is based on a fairy tail and is a scam. Just keep your head buried in the sand and keep supporting the largest sex abuse ring ever you sheeple.
Remember a man in the sky who just happened to be born the same day as the winter solstice wants you to support creepy looking guys in dresses.
You people are hilarious. Instead of making excuses for criminals do some research on your beliefs. Jesus was not real, it's a astrology story. The SUN not son rises back to the north from its lowest point on the horizon on dec. 25. The three wise men is a constellation of stars that point to where the sun rises that morning. The story go on and on. And he is not the first son of god with that story,he is the 25th. Egyptian god Horus was the first followed by many others.if you don't believe me research it for yourself.

Dcfred20036

Ned the problem is secrecy, that's the cancer in the church. The paradox is that in protecting its reputation, the bishops have been destroying the church's moral authority. Truth is always of God, and evil thrives in secrecy and silence.

John Harville

shhhh. you might get excommunicated for letting out the secret.

"Excommunication" is another example of the church's attitude of superiority. A priest can 'excommunicate' a person, thus making it impossible for the person to enter Heaven. thus the priest has more power than God.

Nemesis

Excommunication only bars one from the sacraments.

John Harville

The Sacraments include the MASS OF CHRISTIAN BURIAL. Do you know the sacraments?
If that's all it is, the why did the Church only recently lift the "excommunication and eternal damnation to hell" of Copernicus? Ya think he was anxiously awaiting his chance to go to Reconciliation?

John Harville

Amazing, isn't it? I posted facts that support the Catholic schools - and even public schools - legal right to employ as teachers individuals who don't have teaching degrees and teaching certificates; who only have bachelor degrees (like me).
For that I've been called a Marxist, a heathen, and accused of being some thinly veiled name from another city.
Some people just want to hate.
That's okay. The Great Moderator knows...

Nemesis

John, I've read your comments on the ACA and the economy. I'm sorry, but it's too late - you've telegraphed your leftist, statist views.

The fact that you've correctly pointed out that they may legally hire teachers without an education degree is redundant and superfluous - since they have such teachers working for them and no legal action has been taken, it's obvious without your pointing it out. It's also irrelevant, since it doesn't address the salient question, which is not the legality, but rather the value proposition of said transactions.

John Harville

So.. "leftist, statist views' are a bad thing to your libertarian mind?
Good! Yes I am on the side of responsible members of society who accept their obligation to work for ALL the people in this great democratic republic.
Better! I am opposed to those who cry about the 'state' and its unfairness while still taking every advantage of life in this great democratic republic - but thinking they don't have to pay for it.
So, thank you for 'callng me out' as a Progressive who believes it is more important to live and respect the Constitution than accuse others of trying to abuse it.
Again I say a resounding THANK YOU!

Nemesis

"Yes I am on the side of responsible members of society who accept their obligation to work for ALL the people in this great democratic republic"

No, you are on the side of those who use coercive force to make OTHERS work for those you seek to help. You are a marxist who seeks to redistribute wealth. That explains your hostility to the RCC, since any church stands as a rival to the state. According to your ilk, we can't have private, VOLUNTARY cooperation to help people, because it competes with the state's coercive measures which depends on the threat of violent force.

John Harville

And when and where do we have 'VOLUNTARY Cooperation'?

John Harville

I understand persons like SM have to resort to any means to try to silence critics because their way of life is disappearing.

But perhaps SM should realize what her status would be if someone were to post here the names of the SCCS teachers who are divorced and remarried without annulments,.. and similar details.

Nemesis

So, would that be anything like your resorting to implied blackmail to silence your critics?

Kettle to pot, color check, over.

John Harville

Define 'implied blackmail'.

Nemesis

The whole "Sandusky Mom's status would be negatively impacted if I named the names I know" bit. You've been issuing veiled threats to name these names for weeks, and it's getting old. It would be like a breath of fresh air if you ever just said what you mean plainly and up front.

John Harville

Like you do? How about the SCCA president stating on her vita that she "lives in Sandusky" but actually residing in Rossford? So local dollars are paying taxes in Wood County and to make the mortgage payment on a $200,000 home there?

Tax Mailing Name: CURTIS MICHAEL R & MELODY M
Address: 114 HELEN DR
City State Zip: ROSSFORD OH 43460

WOOD COUNTY AUDITOR.

It's all about truth and where parish donations actually are benefitting.

Nemesis

So what's your point? You love to throw out these non-sequiturs as if you've found some earth shattering insight, but they have no relevance to anything.

MANY residents of this area work outside the county and many commute to work here from somewhere else. The superintendent of Perkins lives in another county, too, and he's a public employee. People have the right to live and work where they please.

John Harville

My $$$$ to SP&P should be spent here and utilized here to expand our economy.

Nemesis

Because of your cries to the moderator to silence your critics?

And you call the school hypocritical?

The irony, it is rich.

John Harville

Some of the comments here violate the Mollom policy and the Register's own policies for posting.

John Harville

BABO Saturday 2:04 p.m.

Now compare that figure (zero) to the many teachers, police officers, government officials AND EVEN THE PUBLISHER OF THIS NEWSPAPER that have had ALLEGATINS OR CONVICTIONS of SEX CRIMES involving children in the Sandusky Register reading area.

REALLY? The publisher. Better give details...

Nemesis

I notice you don't ask for a citation, but rather for the juicy details.
Us the prospect of salacious gossip making you salivate?

John Harville

Only in your perverse mind am I asking for 'salacious gossip'.
Asking for 'details' obviously is seeking a citation since another on here decided to forego attempts at petty character assassination and offer a citation and quotation.
The attacks - except the publisher comment - were generalizations.
But you and SM have focused on discrediting me or 'revealing' salacious attacks on my 'real' identity.

Nemesis

I've done nothing of the sort. I don't give a rat's backside who you are.

Babo

Here's the link to one story in the Toledo Blade:http://www.toledoblade.com/local....

He was charged for sexually exploiting a 10 year old boy. He also sexually exploited a young girl but was never charged for it. Baxter brought in his usual special prosecutor for politically charged cases.

Nemesis made the case far better than me. The facts are irrefutable. A student is safer in a Catholic school than in a public school or in a local police station.

John Harville

So your intent was to write "a FORMER publisher" in a story that is more than 10 years old.

Never again can we trust anything you say as being factual or on-point.

"the facts are irrefutable". THE FACTS we've been offered from posted links are 1) a newspaper publisher who had virtually no contact with students an 2) An SCCS football coach and teacher in DIRECT DAILY CONTACT with students.

Nemesis

No, they are reports issued by the government you so fawningly worship showing that the abuse records of public schools and other agencies of your beloved state make the Catholic schools look stellar by comparison.

Ned Mandingo

Who was speaking to the crowd in the gym in the first picture? I think they are all saying HEIL HITLER!

Nemesis

Leave it to you to validate Godwin's law.

CAST THE FIRST STONE

I work with a st marys graduate who can barely read. when he has to read at work he sounds out the words like my 8 year old grandson. He is in his upper 20s

John Harville

"By the way, religion isn't the major difference in the Catholic schools. It's the fact that THEY ARE ALLOWED TO SCREEN OUT the sort of students who bring down the public schools. They share that chatacteristic with every other private school, be it Catholic, Prostestant, Jewish, Muslim, or secular." - NEMESIS.
Thank you for putting into writing for all to see that private school are allowed/encourage to DISCRIMINATE in placement of students - unbound by any artificial 'lines' in recruiting students.
Bottom line is a Libertarian like yourself is pleased that private schools can enjoy tax exemption, suspension of student rights, discrimination, statewide recruitment, participation in OHSAA athletics....

Nemesis

Of course I'm pleased. They are exercising their constitutional rights of freedom of association. They choose to teach those who want to learn, rather than throw away resources in a futile attempt to teach those who don't. That's the beauty of private enterprise.

That's why employers place more value on a degree from a selective private university than a public one that admits anyone with a high school diploma.

The interesting thing is you leftists scream about it, but I notice your standard bearer in the Oval Office sends his kids to a selective private school.

So, John, since you believe discriminating on the basis of motivation and achievement in educational programs is such a horrible thing, next time one of your loved ones needs surgery, I'm sure you won't mind it being performed by someone trained by a medical school that admits anyone who asks and graduates anyone who sticks around for four years, right?

John Harville

If the private schools are so good, why not get off the state teat and truly make it entirely on their own? The SCCS budget - as posted in the foundation's annual report, includes more than a half million in state funding.
I think his children should go to a good public school - if you can find one in DC. The last presidential child in pubic school was Amy Carter.
My children went to Catholic school until a teacher showed offensive movies to the junior high students. In another instance we utilized Catholic School until the public schools began offering more and better programs.
Of course there ARE all those Catholic kids who have speech, reading, PE, computers, Music taught by persons funded by state subsidy.
Discrimination is discrimination. Which is why they continue to recruit athletes from extended public schools.

John Harville

Half of all doctors graduate in the lower 50% of their classes - regardless of the credentials.

I'm more interested in where the doctor practiced internships and residencies and in which disciplines.

GW Bush graduated from Yale and Harvard with business degrees and was probably the only Texan to lose money on oil.

Ned Mandingo

I love how you catholic people feel you are morally superior due to your ridiculous religion.

Nemesis

Not sure to whom you're talking, but no one's made any claims of moral superiority here except Harville, and he's done nothing but attack the RCC. Then again, he does claim to be one of them.

John Harville

You just read the ones with which you agree, huh?

themomx6

They've been on life support for quite awhile now. SMCC will be closed in 10 years, so who cares?

Dcfred20036

That would be a sad thing, themomx6. When I attended SM in the late 70s/early 80s, the school had over 500 students: the mission was more about education then, not so much about religion. The school was very strong in science, art/music and English, not so much in math. I remember that SM was one of the first area schools to offer computer science, thanks to Sr Jaculin, the tech nun! I'm not sure what happened that in 30 years the school lost more than 1/2 its students....

Babo

Enrollment figures are declining in all Ohio schools public and private. It's due a variety of factors. Ohio's population is stagnant and aging so there are fewer women of child bearing age. Also women are having fewer babies and families in general are much smaller.

You attended after the baby boom but still during a time when people had bigger families. Keep in mind abortion became legal in 1973 and contraception became more widely available as well.

IMO, there will always be a place/demand for Catholic and other private schools, especially as our country becomes more polarized based on economics and politics.

Dcfred20036

Babo, thanks for the analysis. I also remember that my highest tuition was around 400-600 dollars a year; so even if adjusted to inflation over 30 years, that is way lower than what students pay today. Another thing I liked then was that, unlike SHS, they did not segregate students in an academic caste system (levels 101, 102, 103). Everyone basically took the same courses, and they provided tutoring support to those who were struggling.

John Harville

You had tuition. Through most of that period Catholic school was free as long as your parents attended church and made minimum contributions. They also had to work at the Parish Festival and Bingo - and attendance was recorded. Even non-Catholics could attend with 'contributions' to the parish. Even in the late 80s in SOUTHERN OHIO we 'good Catholics' weren't paying anything except Sunday offering and working Turkey Bingo and Parish Festival.

Babo

@ DCFred: You're welcome. Money is probably an issue too. But I think it's more likely that families don't place as high a value in general on education in today's instant gratification society. Thus the sacrifice won't be made to pay for private school.

The base salary for my profession has increased 7 fold since 1980. So what is tuition today for a parishioner?

In any event, I would hope that the Church remains faithful to the call to serve and that those parishioners who can afford it provide the funds so that a child from families who cannot afford it would still be able to attend. I regret not making the sacrifices to send my children to a Catholic or some other private school.

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