Open letter to the Perkins Community

Letter from Perkins schools superintendent Jim Gunner.
Register
Oct 25, 2013

Perkins Community:

The Perkins School District levy is critical to providing ongoing quality education to the students of Perkins now and in the future.  This levy addresses both the day-to-day operational costs necessary to run the district as well as a solid plan to renovate and or build new facilities all at a modest cost.  Without the passage of this levy, additional reductions will make it more difficult for our students to have the education they need to be prepared for life in the 21st Century.

The Board and I recognize there is an active "No" voter campaign in the community.  But, what do they offer?  As I have listened to those who oppose the levy, they indicate three actions they would take:

1. Fire me as superintendent

2. Elect two new Board members to promote a change of direction

3. Move the "Inside Millage" back to general operations.

These actions fail to provide a long-term solution to the financial and facility problems the school district faces.  If the "No" voter campaign did their homework, they would discover their plan costs taxpayers significantly more, approximately 11.85 mils compared to the Board’s proposed 6.73 mils. Ask yourself as a taxpayer, do you want to pay almost twice as much to have a direct vote on the building of a new facility? Or do you want to trust Board members you elected who researched all available options over three years, involved four different community committees in the process and have proposed a long-term plan to solve both operations and facilities and keeps your school tax rate the lowest in Erie County?

This is what the “No” voters campaign will really cost you as Perkins taxpayers:

1.53 mils -   (6.73 – 5.2 = 1.53; Difference in Board's request from Inside Millage

1.78 mils  - (1.78 mils required to pay off the loan if “Inside Millage” is moved)

1.34 mils  - (1.34 mils to make up for tax collection starting in 2015 instead of 2014)

7.20 mils - (Bond Levy required to build the same cost building proposed by Board)

11.85 mils - needed to solve fiscal and facility problems as proposed by “No” voters

The "No" voter campaign indicates that we should just move the "Inside millage" back to general operations and then we could maybe pass a small 2 mil levy and everything would be all right.  This simply is untrue.  First, we cannot move the entire 5.2 mils of "Inside Millage" back to operations at the current time, unless we generate additional money to pay off the $3.5 million loan taken out by the Board.  Whether the "No" group agrees or not, the district has a $3.5 million loan that needs to be paid off over the next 4.5 years.  The annual payments of $770,000 are being paid from the "Inside Millage".  At least 1.78 mils of the "inside Millage" must be left in the Permanent Improvement fund for the next 4.5 years to pay off this debt. 

If a new Board of Education decides to move the “Inside Millage” back to the operations budget, this vote would take place no sooner than January 2014. Any “Inside Millage” moved back by this action would take effect with taxes collected in 2015, not 2014. In addition, if the November levy fails, the district would fail to receive an entire year's collection (Taxes collected during 2014) on the 6.73 mil levy, or another $2.9 million.  This $2.9 million dollar loss, by not passing a levy in November needs to be made up with either further reductions, or a larger future levy.  To raise an additional $2.9 million over five years would require an increase of 1.34 mils in any future levy.

But, let's not forget in this scenario, the "No" voters leave absolutely zero money for fixing our facilities. A traditional bond issue would require another vote of the community for at least a 7.2 mil initial bond rate to generate the same revenue the Board is suggesting by using the "inside millage".

So, really the "No" voters are asking the public to pass the equivalent of 11.85 mils to solve the operational and facility problems of the district. Is this the “Change” you want as a community? Is this the long-term planning you want for the district?

Secondly, the “No” voters would like to remove me as superintendent. And why do the “No” voters want to remove me?  Because I don' t live in the district, and a decision that required a vote, a 5-0 vote, by the members of the Board of Education who were elected to represent the voters, to move “Inside Millage” to fix facilities. These five elected members, after over three years of reviewing all fiscal options voted as your representatives to approve the proposed funding alternative of moving "Inside Millage" as a strategic move to fix facilities now and in the future. 

In the past five years, the district has had nine different Board of Education members.  All nine members, elected by the community, well respected diverse business and professional members of the community, have agreed that the current plan before the voters is the best plan to solve both operational and facility needs.  ALL of these Board members agree it is the least costly method for the taxpayers of Perkins.  Four different community committees as far back as Superintendents Buccierri and Rectenwald concluded the district facilities needed to be seriously addressed.  Three different independent construction firms have determined to repair our facilities is more costly than new buildings.  One of these firms ranked our high school as the school in the worst condition and in need of immediate replacement in the State of Ohio at the time.  The "No" voter campaign indicates we should form another community committee to examine the situation again.  After nine board members, eight years, four community committees, and three independent school construction firms have all concluded the same thing, what does another committee give us that we don't already know?

Don't be fooled by the "No" voters.  Consider some of the tactics used by the "No" voters during this campaign.

1. Smear the existing leadership of the district with half-truths, rumors, and innuendoes.

2. Spread half-truths through the "Blogs" where they refuse to identify who they are.

3. Threaten local business owners that display signs supporting the schools levy efforts.

4. Destroying and stealing pro-levy yard signs.

5. No real plan to solve the financial and facility issues facing the school and community.

Ultimately, it is up to the voters of Perkins to decide whom they will believe in this "War of Words".  The superintendent and Board have willing met with any individual or group to explain their position and have not changed their opinion in over three years on what is best for the school district and community.  Can the "No" voters explain how they are going to solve the complex financial problems of the school district?  I hope, as a voter in the Perkins community, you place the value of your children first and recognize that the duly elected Board of Education has done its best to solve very complex financial and facility problems at the best possible cost to you as taxpayers.

I hope you vote to support the Perkins Schools.

Jim Gunner, Superintendent

 

Comments

Thomas Paine

Amen

underthebridge

I attended BOE mtgs and I still do not support how this BOE and administration make decisions, follow through with plans, etc.

Centauri

Does anybody have their April 2013 PerkinsPirate School Report?

See the first question and answer under "Superintendent Residency Questions"

QUESTION: How much money was spent on attorney and legal fees the past 5 years?

QUESTION: On what date was Mr. Gunner's 2008 contract signed?

http://www.presspublications.com... (Tuesday, 24 June 2008)
"The Oregon School Board last Tuesday picked six of 16 candidates to interview for the superintendent’s position."

"• James Gunner, superintendent of the Bryan City Schools District, recently hired as the superintendent of the Perkins Local Schools District, effective in August. Gunner, a Clay High School graduate, was a teacher and coach at Eisenhower Middle School;"

http://www.fox19.com/story/86128... (Jul 02, 2008)
"The Oregon School Board chose Dr. Michael Zalar as their new superintendent. Zalar had been Clay High School's principal for the past five years."

Centauri

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...
(May 24, 2010) The date is wrong. Mr. Gunner was hired in 2008.

"It's official. James Gunner has been chosen to lead Perkins Schools into the future. Gunner, sup"
"He was granted a three-year, $104,500 contract starting Aug. 1."

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...
(May 24, 2010) Wrong date. Mr. Gunner was hired in 2008
"Perkins excited about new boss"
"“We need someone who knows what’s going on in the district,” Bea VanMeter, a retired art teacher, said. “To know Perkins you have to live Perkins.”
"Gunner said he will start the relocation process with plans to move his wife, Carol, and children, Matthew and Emily, into the district."

oldpirate

Don't let the negativity ruin the school and community. Overcome the apathy and support the system. Change can occur over time if you get involved and I don't mean the blog. The schools are our most valuable resource. Go to www.perkinslevy.org

The General

You sound like obama....

oldpirate

Nope didn't vote for him but I was raised to value civic responsibility. Not to get hung up on whats in it for me mentality. I think much of the people on here are misdirected Tea Party people out to stick it to the government.

kal-el

You got that right. Ironically, it is their guys in Columbus who have raised state taxes (rollback) and eliminated local funding (estate and business taxes) and put the burden on households.

Stop blaming your local officials and start looking to Columbus people!

Thomas Paine

At least a few people get it.

mikesee

Wheels in motion when Strickland was governor.

The General

Yeah you do. You know nothing about the Tea Party. Yet base your so called opinion on them based on the main stream media's narrative and obama himself. Sounds exactly like what you believe most of the NO voters are saying about the levy...

Centauri

QUESTION: How much money was spent on attorney and legal fees the past 5 years?

QUESTION: On what date was Mr. Gunner's 2008 contract signed?

Do not trust anybody who refuses to answer simple questions.

eriemom

The answer to question #1 must be quite high. A past board member has agreed to represent Perkins at a flat fee, rather than $295 an hour.

underthebridge

Who is the past board member now representing the school district?

Bherrle

Centauri,

Your "Do not trust anybody who refuses to answer simple questions." thing goes both ways. The Vote NO contingent has dodged many of my questions. SO, I say, don't trust anyone who won't identify themselves, and who dodges questions. Also, don't trust those who offer no or very simple solutions to what are complex problems.

Again, I point out that your goal seems to be distract and simply create suspicion by asking questions you already know the answers too. Questions that, as in the two above, I don't see relevance in?

QUESTION: How much money was spent on attorney and legal fees the past 5 years?

ANSWER: I don't know. Are you suggesting that the district didn't need to spend what it spent? If so, why? On what? Do you know who has sued the district in the last 5 years? DId the district do anything wrong? If so, please present your proof?

QUESTION: On what date was Mr. Gunner's 2008 contract signed?

ANSWER: I'm not going to look it up. The board waived the requirement for him to move here. It is a non-issue. I'll concede that he signed his contract on whatever day you say he did. It doesn't matter. You are trying to make an issue of a non-issue.

Centauri

"The Vote NO contingent has dodged many of my questions. SO, I say, don't trust anyone who won't identify themselves, and who dodges questions. Also, don't trust those who offer no or very simple solutions to what are complex problems."

http://www.perkinsschools.org/Do...
"The 25-person community committee than worked with The Collaborative-TMP
on a master plan for Perkins."

QUESTION: Are these 25-person community people anonymous?

"Do you know who has sued the district in the last 5 years? DId the district do anything wrong? If so, please present your proof?"

Here is one lawsuit:

http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/opin...
http://www.leagle.com/decision/I...
QUESTION: How much money was spent on all of those attorneys and all legal fees?

There might be another lawsuit coming because the Perkins Local SD seems to go after female teachers and coaches but fails to go after the male teachers and coaches. One set of rules for females and another set of rules for males?

I am a very busy person. Why should I waste my time looking up answers to questions that the pro-levy people refuse to answer? What are the pro-levy people hiding since they refuse to answer very simple questions.

Somebody brought up TRUST as the reason why the levy failed. How about some TRUST from the pro-levy people and the Perkins Local SD? Stop hiding the TRUTH.

Strong Schools ...

Do you refuse to research them yourself? You always want answers but never want to take responsibility and research the facts. Call the board office and talk to Gunner directly. I don't trust anyone who does not take responsibility for themselves and expects everyone else to do their work.

Support the students!
http://perkinslevy.org/

fifteenthgreen

I want answers as to what your agenda is with this campaign. Please clarify what it is that you want. New school? Teachers returned? Operations? Better test scores? Money? What is it that you want???

oldpirate

You love to play games. You seem to have all the answers.

kal-el

Those are both public records. If you really want that data, you can get it. But it's more fun to confuse the issue on the SR blogs.

I agree with Old Pirate, you're just playing games. I bet you've never attended a BOE meeting in your life.

fifteenthgreen

I've attended many board meetings!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s...

eriemom

Cute

fifteenthgreen

Who's teaching the middle school band? I though the program was cut. I see they brought back the other director that was "cut" as well.

Bherrle

You thought? Care to show what you are basing the thought on?

fifteenthgreen

Band night, parades and classes being conducted daily with the middle school kids. We were told this program was being cut to save money. Or was it just a scare tactic to get votes? More lies!

sash

The funding for the band program was cut which is why there is now a $220 pay to play fee for band. Mr. Miller's position was cut when the last levy failed. He has volunteered to continue teaching the kids WITHOUT pay so that the kids and program will not suffer. Another levy failure will leave him with no choice but to look for employment elsewhere. Mr. Miller came to Perkins because he wanted to return home and teach at the school that gave him a wonderful education. I'm sure he and his wife are bitterly regretting that decision.

Hawkeye

It is pretty sad when your leaders punish the kids and the teachers when they mishandle your money and threaten with pay to play fees they forgot that this is a republic not an oligarchy.

fifteenthgreen

Is Mr. Miller drawing unemployment from the district while "volunteering" during the school work day? Hanging on for one more levy attempt? He should have been looking for other employment when he was notified in the Spring that he would no longer be employed by the district. This is when teachers find new positions for the upcoming year. Not mid stride. Or, was he told not to worry about it and his job was safe? Let's just use his position and program to get votes.

Gardenman

Not being on either side of this issue I have to admit I don't understand Gunner's remarks about the No voters wanting him removed as the superintendent. He goes on to say that is because he does not live in the district. He seems to say that was a 5 - 0 decision and goes on to talk about inside millage etc etc. It does not make sense what he is saying to me....it's like a part of the paragraph was deleted or he lost his thoughts. Not sure how he needing to live in the district and inside millage are connected in his being let go as superintendent.

Why would he not in this situation not try and deflate one issue of the NO voters and announce his house is for sale in Oregon and he will buy a home in Perkins as soon as that house sells. Seems a logical move to me.

underthebridge

At one meeting I attended (yes, no voters attend them), Gunner said that he would not buy a house here if the levy did not pass.

Strong Schools ...

Check out the levy website for facts! Support the students in November!
http://perkinslevy.org/

fifteenthgreen

Don't waste your time. No clear agenda. It changes with each election. They don't know what they want. Just more money to blow, I guess!

Subtle

The "No" campaign wouldn't go very far if its talking point were

'I don't have a child currently attending Perkins and couldn't care less what happens to the district because I have much more important things to spend $20 a month on'

so instead they try to make Gunner their talking point.

- Do you really think the rallying cry wouldn't have been

'We need to get rid of Gunner because he blindly repaired all the buildings without consulting one of our local contractors! He could have built brand new facilities for what he spent! Raaarh!'

if the board hadn't taken out the loan to look into the best option?

- Do you really think the rallying cry wouldn't have been

'Get rid of Gunner! All of these local businesses came together and offered to donate half the cost of a new stadium and he didn't even take it! How stupid is he? Now we're going to have to spend almost that much to make sure the old stadium bleachers don't collapse under the weight of the fans and so the players have a safe field/facilities to use. Now we're probably going to have to pay the entire cost of a new stadium out of taxpayer dollars in less than five years! It's time for a change! Raarh!'

if they hadn't built the new stadium for 1/2 price?

If the government wasn't stealing 2.5 million from the district every year to pay for some poorly managed district in Whoknowswhere, Ohio do you really think anyone would have any complaints about the only superintendent in this district to pull off an “Excellent” rating in the past decade?

If you want to be mad at someone because we need to pass a levy, be mad at the State for stealing our funds.

If you really honestly can't afford $20 a month in additional taxes to make sure the school is safe and secure, just say you can't afford it, or even better don't say anything because it's really no one's business but yours. Just don't try to fabricate a scapegoat so you can sleep better at night... it's not they are going to put you on a list of people against the levy.

As someone suggested earlier, I read through every question asked of the BOE on http://www.perkinslevy.org/faq over the past couple years and couldn't find any reason to doubt what was said in the letter.

Well that's my 2 cents (ok, maybe 10 cents if I'm charged per word lol) :)

PyrkinsPyrate

I wish that we could add comments on our ballots to explain the key reasons we vote one way or another. I would have to say the reason I am voting "No" is because after the community clearly voted against the fountains and marble palace the board and Gunner ignored the voice of the people and went full steam ahead with building a new school and paid 3.5 million to design it after the community said we did not feel we could afford a new school. It is just all the lies. Word games. Denying they spent 1.7 million on the football field when we were broke. Just lie after lie, half truth after half truth. Stealing "Vote No" signs. Apparently forcing students to trick the veterans into voting for the levy. They are just dirty dirty liars with no respect for the will of the people and democratic process. Making us vote over and over. And really, the biggest lie of all, that he would move to our district, instead he gets a car allowance so he can drive at our expense. I am just so sick of this all.

Bherrle

PyrkinsPyrate,

I was hoping someone would bring up fountains. Your refering to 2010. Your referring to an artists rendering of a campus. That was not the final design plan, it was merely an artists rendering of what could be. The board had not approved any design plans at that time.

The current plans are significantly different from that "drawing" in 2010.

Stealing signs? Plenty of supporter signs have gone missing or been vandalized also. By the way, the Levy committee does not condone this kind of behavior, from either side.

Your statement above is full of untruths. I urge you to get better informed.

Bherrle

I urge everyone to visit www.perkinslevy.org to find factual information about this levy and our district.

Centauri

That Perkins Levy site is a one-sided "Feel Good" site that keeps changing and avoids the real questions that the Perkin Local SD voters need to know. I ask questions on their behalf that I post in the comments. So far, all of those questions have been avoided.

princedenny

I'm just making assumptions for those opposed to the levy, but I think the three main problems voters have are:

1--The exorbitant salaries of so many of the teachers and administrators in the district. Here is a link to ALL public school employees in the state of Ohio, and from where I am basing these FACTS: http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/...

The 2012 salaries of some, if not all, of the administrators (Dahlman, Finn, Leffler, Neiderhouse, Quisno, Stanfield, Strohl, and Gunner) comes to a total of $$681,188...with Stanfield's $75,000 salary being the smallest and Gunner's $117,000 the highest. Then, you also have several teachers in the district making $70,000+

2--The district has mis-managed funds for at least 20 years, and the community is tired of it. Other area school systems (most Sandusky city schools, Huron, St. Mary's, etc.), with buildings that are older than those in Perkins, seem to be doing just fine.

If education is TRULY the most important thing for the Perkins students, maybe the money for the football stadium should have been used to fix the BUILDINGS, instead of the stadium which is used (an estimated) 90-100 times per year.

Other solutions, BESDIES MOVING FUNDS TO BUILD A NEW STADIUM, could have been:
A) playing all athletic contests at away sites,
B) renting the facilities at other local schools (Strobel Field, Kalahari Stadium, Maragaretta, Bellevue) on their off nights, or
C) canceling the programs until they can be financially supported.

Instead, Gunner and the BOE decided to stab the voters in the back by moving money around.

3--Gunner--This is self-explanatory.

Mr. Gunner, please feel free to reply.

underthebridge

Add to this the ridiculous amount of money spent on coaches, assistant coaches, athletic trainers, etc. It isn't sustainable.

Strong Schools ...

There have been no raises granted within the last five years. THe teachers who are at the top of the pay scale have been working in the district for over 30 years and have more than a Masters degree. I think they deserve to get paid what they are getting paid if not more! They put in a lot of their time, money, and education for this school district.
Perkins has the lowest administrator cost in the area so I don't think the financial troubles are from the employees!

Get the facts and visit the levy website!
http://perkinslevy.org/

Vote yes in November!

fifteenthgreen

Teachers with six figure or near salaries living in Perkins Township in Sandusky need a raise? Give us some results and you might get a raise. Failing scores shouldn't be rewarded, either. Um, Little Johnny, you got an F on your test but I'm going to give an A because you go to school here. We are Perkins, after all.

Have you looked around you lately. This community as a whole is dwindling....but hey honey, we have a new restaurant and store coming to 250!

PyrkinsPyrate

You claim that there have been no raises but when I look at BuckeyeInstitute.org and check the teachers salaries they all make more money year after year. Is this a mistake on the website or is it ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE PRO LEVY PEOPLE LYING?

princedenny

Sorry to point this out, but Mike Leffler made $71,421 in 2012, Darren Majoy made $71,000+ in 2012, and TJ James (who blatantly STOLE money from the district) made $69,824 in 2012, and I'm sure there are more examples I could find.

NONE OF THEM have been there 30+ years, so please keep your mouth shut until you know what you're talking about!!!

Eff that levy website to which you refer, because they OBVIOUSLY conned you into buying into their LIES.

Rosa

Most people in this community have not received raises, have actually been asked to take cutbacks or pay more for insurance and so forth. So for the school to KEEP begging for more money is a real slap in the face. Everyone employed by the schools seem to live pretty well, so maybe they could give back part of their salaries to have what they want, for the students of course.... I don't feel like sacrificing some of my grocery money to fund foolishness or pay for some kid to play stupid sports... We have to cut back in our lives, what does the school not understand about that??!!

princedenny

I agree with most of what you said, but sports AREN'T stupid. They teach discipline, hard work, working together as a team to accomplish a common goal, and a lot more life lessons that students need.

Strong Schools ...

I am willing to sacrifice because these students are going to be the leaders of our society and I want to make sure they have received the best education possible. Vote yes for the students and the community. Our future depends on this!
http://perkinslevy.org/

fifteenthgreen

Leaders in the art of texting and social media! Apparently, not in the classroom via the poor district test scores.

Strong Schools ...

We have not passed a levy for 13 years. Could you pay your bills today on what you made 13 years ago. For goodness sakes people! We are making ourselves look bad. Support the students and show them we care about their future and ours!

Vote yes!
http://perkinslevy.org/content/c...

fifteenthgreen

No, our current leadership in the district is making us look like a disgrace, have put us in a horrible financial position, have divided a close community, moved millage, they seem to find mediocrity in the classroom acceptable and have destroyed all trust with the majority of voters.

princedenny

Strong Schools...your logic is IGNORANT. It's the same excuse pro levy people always use.

Look at the nitwits in charge of most of the local schools (Perkins, Huron, Margaretta, Sandusky) and (a few of) the city commissioners in Sandusky. There were probably levy issues back then, yet they still lack the intelligence to make good decisions in regards to the district or city.

As for paying my bills on what I made 13 years ago, I would still be able to. However, I could EASILY pay my bills (and have a lot more extra money to use for entertainment, travel, etc.) if I were making the salaries of MOST of these teachers!!!!!

VOTENO

NOvember!

Wald

The arrogance in this letter is astounding. Gunner is essentially trying to lay all of the blame for the trouble in Perkins Schools at the feet of the No voters. Doesn't he remember that, after his first building levy failed, he took away the taxpayers' rights to make any decisions on our schools by (unethically) moving the millage? The taxpayers didn't vote to take out a $3.5 MILLION loan. The taxpayers didn't vote to spend $1.7 MILLION on a new football stadium. Those decisions and others (like the Apple laptop program), decisions that have hurt the districts' finances, were made by him and the current BOE. Yet nowhere in his letter does he accept any responsibility. He should be writing the taxpayers a letter of apology, but instead he is basically saying that, oops, what's done is done, now it is up to the taxpayers to clean up the mistakes. I'm not buying what he's selling. Move the millage back and I will gladly entertain voting yes for a finacially responsible plan to shore up the districts' finances and renovate the schools even if it is a bit more expensive, provided a $60,000 marble fountain is not included. But I want to be able to make that decision with my fellow taxpayers by casting our votes, not have the decision made for us by a superintendant and BOE I don't trust, which ought to be our right as taxpaying members of the community. I saw a sign not too long ago that read "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results", which is quite applicable to Gunner and the current BOE. Hopefully, after November's levy fails and Ahner and Franklin are on the school board, real change can begin to occur. Until then, my family and I will be voting NO. Thank you.

themomx6

^^^^^ I agree 100%..............Best post yet!

looking around

They say they want to send me to rehab....but I say..NO NO NO!

fifteenthgreen

Question: Are we compliant with the EPA on the asbestos issues present in our schools? I've never been publicly updated as to where the asbestos is located as the EPA requires by law. http://www2.epa.gov/asbestos/sch...

Why are we spending millions of taxpayer dollars on dream buildings, stadiums and laptops when our children and teachers are being exposed to this threat? Who is in charge!!!

MrGadfly

Mr. Gunner is missing an important point in the "no voter" reasoning.

TRUST

There is a lack of trust in the superintendent and the present school board. Actions by the superintendent and school board have caused this problem. Here are a few highlights.

Mr. Gunner was interviewing for the superintendent's job in Oregon after accepting and signing a contract to be the superintendent of Perkins. This doesn't instill much trust from the community.

Mr. Gunner has numerous times spoken of moving to the district but he continually doesn't. This does not instill much trust from the community.

Mr. Gunner and the board lied about raw sewage under the high school to pass a levy to build a new school. This was proven as a lie by the Ere County Health Department. This does not instill much trust from the community.

Mr. Gunner and the school board ignored the community vote and moved millage. This arrogant behavior does not instill much trust from the community.

The movement of millage eliminates the public oversight on building project. Taking away the public vote on these large expenditures does not instill much trust from the community.

The superintendent and school board lying to the public about the loss of music, art and physical education teachers to pass a levy. Somehow, after the levy failed, $200,000 was found in state funds. Also, the superintendent and school board could not reduce these positions due to a contractual obligations. This mysterious money find after the levy failure and the incompetence of not knowing the contract with the teachers union does not instill much trust with the community.

Sometimes it's more than just money that makes people take a stand.

Wald

This ^^^^^^^

Centauri

Does anybody have their April 2013 PerkinsPirate School Report?
See the first question and answer under "Superintendent Residency Questions"

Here it is:

Q: Is it true that Dr. Gunner does not live in Perkins?

A: Yes. When Dr. Gunner was originally hired in 2008, it was both his and the Board's intention that he live in the Perkins community. Unfortunately, life sometimes does not cooperate with the best of intentions. A family emergency required Dr. Gunner to live in another community. At the time, he offered to resign his newly accepted position as superintendent. The Board of Education declined to accept the resignation and instead removed the requirement for Dr. Gunner to live in Perkins due to the personal circumstances. The Board believes the overall performance , vision, and daily work ethic that Dr. Gunner displays are evidence enough of his commitment to our schools and community.

QUESTION: On what date was the original employment agreement signed in 2008?

QUESTION: On what date were changes made to the original agreement about Dr. Gunner's not required to live in the Perkins Local SD?

I don't have the dates. There should be two employment contracts from 2008. One with residency required and another "edited" version with residency not required.

To avoid answering questions is avoiding the truth.

Centauri

http://www.perkinsschools.org/Do...
PerkinsPirate April 2013 School Report

Q:
Is it true that Dr. Gunner does not live in Perkins?
A:
Yes. When Dr. Gunner was originally hired in
2008, it was both his and the Board’s intention that
he live in the Perkins community. Unfortunately,
life sometimes does not cooperate with the best of
intentions. A family emergency required Dr.
Gunner to live in another community. At the time,
he offered to resign his newly accepted position as
superintendent. The Board of Education declined
to accept the resignation and instead removed the
requirement for Dr. Gunner to live in Perkins due to
the personal circumstances. The Board believes the
overall performance, vision, and daily work ethic
that Dr. Gunner displays are evidence enough of his
commitment to our schools and community.

Kobayashi Maru

Word on the street is the "family illness" is taken care of, yet he refuses to move here. Sad that our leader doesn't want to live in our district...

Strong Schools ...

We do a real nice job making him feel welcome! I do not know if the "illness" is still going on but why would he move his family to a community who will not support schools and think progressively. I don't blame him!

Support the Students and think beyond yourselves. Pay it forward and we will see a better community in the future!
www.perkinslevy.org

Subtle

@fifteenthgreen, while we're making corrections, this is a comment section not a 'blog'. ;) A blog is a fully formed collection of articles or more often opinion pieces by an individual that usually identifies themselves so their views are known. Typically, their blog page consists of daily or weekly stories / opinions all written by the same author. On a blog, it is considered very poor form to make a correction, even spelling or grammar without using 'strike-through' so that the original language, mistakes and all are preserved.

I only say this because I enjoy dialogue with you especially since you usually provide links and don't throw random statements without backing and I am going to go out on a limb and assume that you would always want to be using the correct terms in a given situation.

In a comment section, it is rarely considered poor form to use abbreviations such as 'U're' or 'Gr8'; however, and everyone reading this is going to laugh, the SR comment sections are typically more intelligently written than most :D That actually tells us that more people are viewing and replying to the comments from their personal computers rather than smart phones that auto-correct (usually incorrectly in regards to contractions, pronouns, etc.) and auto-complete words.

As I said earlier, I am being sincere in this post and not knocking you (or anyone here) for your use of the term 'blog'; however, I am a little O.C.D. in regards to terminology and internet etiquette.

If I get a chance later, I'll pop in and reply to a couple of the other comments with more substantial replies, but I have a busy day and may not get the opportunity >.<

fifteenthgreen

Agree Subtle, but I believe I was the one being corrected by someone earlier. Not a big deal. The issues at hand are much more important! I was reading a "comment section" on another news feed and there is a huge difference. Sometimes it is impossible to read and follow. I guess I'm just old school. I look forward to your responses and input on this difficult issue. Catch you later!

buckeyeguy

Vote No!!!!!!!!!! These arrogant administrators have had it too good for too long.

underthebridge

This is an excerpt from the open letter:

"In the past five years, the district has had nine different Board of Education members. All nine members, elected by the community, well respected diverse business and professional members of the community, have agreed that the current plan before the voters is the best plan to solve both operational and facility needs."

With the exception of Mr. Carroll, most of the BOE members have been first hand picked by the BOE so they'd run as incumbents in their next election. This is the first election in which voters will have a choice.

Bherrle

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Off-topic comments.

Strong Schools ...

Then choose to vote out the board members and support the students! Keep our pride and community strong!
www.perkinslevy.org

Subtle

Ok so since a number of the replies can be responded to with a single reply, I think I have time to throw this one up here quick. A lot of ado has been made about Dr. Gunner's residency, so I'll address this quickly as my reply is opinion based and I won't need to research a bunch of links to state it as such.

There are only a handful of people in the state with the financial acumen to properly administer what is essentially a multimillion dollar business. I consider myself a intelligent, educated, person and I'm smart enough to know that I could not. The problem is the majority of individuals that can, are already managing multimillion dollar businesses that provide much more lucrative incomes than Dr. Gunner's $117k / year.

The situation is further compounded by the fact that whoever chooses to be superintendent of a school district should be well versed in school law; an area that in this time of hyper-sensitive, political correctness, is pivotal in the success of a district.

We live in a time where something as trivial as seating arrangements in the cafeteria can result in multimillion dollar lawsuits and administrative decisions that seem as trivial as whether to leave a light on for security or turn it off to conserve energy can result in community backlash. Every decision made effects the community, the teachers & administrators, the students and parents, and staff; and every one of those individuals now has a voice (unlike 10 years ago) and a platform to shout their approval or displeasure.

No decision is going to please everyone, and the public sentiment about those decisions are not static. Choose to turn the light off to conserve energy, and you please the conservationists and budget minded. If the area that light was turned off in gets broken into, robbed, and vandalized, those same individuals will be quick to yell "what were you thinking!" and the ones who wanted it on in the first place yell "Yeah! we told you so but you ignored us!"

The Perkins community has a history of being very hard on superintendents; a position that very few fully understand, and that even fewer could perform with any illusion of competency. Basically, we're looking at a position that requires outstanding financial and legal acumen, the ability to speak well publicly, a thick skin to not get caught up in the drama of multitudes of people all with their own opinion and voice, and the political savvy to balance the business with the legal and the decisions between dozens of groups (staff, students, community, etc.) to present the final best option that is then hyper-scrutinized and reviewed, voted upon, and eventually enacted all while the people involved scream "We need this NOW!". And always, always wrong in someone's eyes regardless of what decision was made... all for $117k per year.

Personally, I think residency is pretty low on the list of things we should be demanding from our superintendent. If it's just the missing tax revenue that would be generated from his residence, I doubt he'd be unwilling to donate the roughly $45 per month that his home would generate directly into the general fund.

As for knowing 'Perkins' to represent Perkins, his job necessitates the interaction between all the groups listed above. From reading the FAQ at http://www.perkinslevy.org/ and talking with other teachers, administrators, and parents, I know he frequently interacts with members of all those groups in both individual and group settings to answer questions and listen to their concerns. I've lived here all my life but I won't begin to pretend to know what the students feel about certain decisions, or how most of the parents are feeling... I have no idea what the teachers and staff think; honestly, Dr. Gunner certainly 'knows Perkins' better than I, at least where its schools are concerned.

Centauri

"A lot of ado has been made about Dr. Gunner's residency, so I'll address this quickly as my reply is opinion based"

QUESTION: How about factual based information?

Subtle

@Centauri, I figured I could rely on the common sense of the reader ;) Please tell me what items out of that post you disagree with and I'll try and find the supporting documentation.

Centauri

http://www.perkinsschools.org/Do...
PerkinsPirate April 2013 School Report

Look at page 2 under "Open Enrollment Question" in the second column.
"When Dr. Gunner became Superintendent in the spring of 2008, the finances of the district were such that there was some discussion of putting an operating levy on the ballot as soon as November of 2008"

QUESTION: How did Dr. Gunner "became Superintendent in the spring of 2008" when his contract commenced August 1, 2008?

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...
"Gunner, superintendent of Bryan City Schools for the past six years, was introduced to the public at Wednesday’s board meeting with the approval of his three-year, $104,500 contract that begins Aug. 1."

Subtle

Really? semantics? If his contract states that he started with August 1st, he started August 1st. I'm not sure who wrote the newsletter, but I'm not sure what difference it makes when he started. Did Gunner attempt to take credit for something meaningful that happened between April and August that I am unaware of? I know the school released the renovation costs estimates from the Ohio School Facilities Commission (http://www.perkinslevy.org/conte...)in 2008, are you wanting to know if he was hired prior to that report being released? I just don't understand your question.

Centauri

It is what it is.

If you do not understand then perhaps it is your problem?

Please provide truthful facts and factual dates.

What is so hard about answering questions, providing facts and dates?

No half truths.

There is a timeline of Dr. Gunner. I mean no offense to Dr. Gunner but the people of the Perkins Local SD need to see the truth. Perhaps Dr. Gunner is not the problem but the Perkins Local SD Board is. Dr. Gunner does have some very good credentials. Who is the real boss of Dr. Gunner?

I have many more questions. Stay tuned.

believeit

There have been some excellent (and often repetitive) points on both sides of this issue, but one thing cannot be ignored. If you are arguing on ideology, then carry on. However, if your sole problem is with increasing cost to the taxpayer, then be aware of this - the price will only increase. Two things can occur. The levy is passed soon or the state will take over. If the state takes over, the community will eventually pass the levy (when enough of the people actually care and vote!) and not only will the levy be higher, but the state must be reimbursed for their actions, or the district will be dismantled and will merge with another district (obviously Sandusky, at a much higher rate for all), and that has never happened. Bottom line, pay less now, or more later. You will not be able to keep voting no forever, no matter how much you enjoy it.

Centauri

There are alternatives to excellent education at much less dollars.

No Taj Mahal can provide a good education.

fifteenthgreen

The "points" are repetitive because they keep coming back after being told no.

oldpirate

I disagree. That philosophy is shortsighted. It will still be very expensive to fix the issues in the old building. Over the long term a new building is the wise choice for the community.

Centauri

Pay oldpirate $1000 a week to pick up the feces from the broken sewer? That is only $52,000 per year.

Show some photos of the feces flowing from the school's broken sewers. What is so hard about photos on the 2013 internet?

Subtle

There is video up on perkinslevy.org of the sewers (http://www.perkinslevy.org/conte...). I will admit there are a couple shiny new PVC patches in there that can be seen (you can also see the busted couplings in the background where the old corroded pipes burst to require the PVC patches)but all in all, I'd say they need fixed.

fifteenthgreen

That plumbing is under one small wing on the north end. Tear down the North wing and rebuild it, if necessary. You moved the money to do it. Done!

Centauri

The first Perkins High School class was 1961?

oldpirate

61 or 62

Centauri

1961

Centauri

So long for now. I have other issues to tend to.

oldpirate

This levy is going to define this community and school system for many years. There are some that see the failure of the schools as the start to the beginning of the end of Perkins Twp. If the school goes the Twp, will follow. We all end up paying higher school taxes. Also, if the community fails we all end up paying city taxes and save the day for Sandusky. This issue is very important on several levels. We all need to vote.

Centauri

Go to sleep oldpirate. Your comments were 11:08pm EST. Time for sleep. I will be back to debate another time and day.

Strong Schools ...

We have friends from multiple communities and they are shocked that Perkins is having these issues. Perkins is supposed to be a leader and who would want to follow us after all of the nonsense the "no" campaign is causing. We have never seen a no campaign against a school! Who does that!!! It is so unethical and the "NO" people are sending a horrible message to the outsiders of our community and the students. The "No" people are making this community look bad and everyone notices it. I am a Perkins resident and it is embarrassing to live in a community that is against education. You can say you are not punishing the students or out to hurt them but who is the most effected by your choices. The students and community! If the schools fail than the community fails. It is time to wake up, get over yourselves, and pass this levy!

Support the Students in November!
http://perkinslevy.org/

fifteenthgreen

Perkins is not a leader in the classroom. http://reportcard.education.ohio...

Centauri

Also stop drinking that rotgut whiskey.

VOTENO

I'm drunk and still voting NO in NOvember!

Strong Schools ...

Vote yes for the students in November!

http://perkinslevy.org/

princedenny

Here's the solution: If the district wants to save money AND PASS A LEVY, have the teachers take a 15% pay cut, and the administrators take a 30% pay cut. More importantly, FIRE GUNNER, and get a new BOE. Princedenny has ALL the answers.

Strong Schools ...

WOW! Teachers, staff, and administrators have not received a pay raise in over 5 years. Also, they are paying more for the insurance. Everyone has given money out of their pockets to help the district and now it is our turn as a community!

Vote yes!
http://perkinslevy.org/content/c...

EZOB

Voters have witnessed this just about every time in the past. They need a levy means, most importantly, they want a raise. The latest is Margretta. Seriously needed money last Year, pass a levy and now they gave out raises before the school year. Most of the "NO" voters haven't seen a raise or maybe took less to keep working and simply put, don't care that You haven't had a raise in 5 years. Suggestion-QUIT-- and go someplace else. There are thousands of qualified teachers who are begging for Your jobs. This is the economy today. Teachers have an abundance in their field. Advertize an opening and just not locally but people willing to relocate will apply.

Laughing

I think people are going to find any reason to vote against the levy no matter what. People keep bringing up other schools in comparison. Well go ahead and send your kids to SMCC and see what that cost you. Or send them to SCS and their failing academics and athletics. People, there is a reason Perkins is the school of choice and hundreds have enrolled. As far as building, Port Clinton, Norwalk, Clyde, Bellevue, Margaretta built on to Bogart, etc. have new facilities. Also SCS wants to build new. Just go to one of their forums. They didn't buy the land next to the high school for nothing. It's a shame this community is wiling to become so divided and destroy such a great opportunity to keep Perkins strong. Careful what you wish for. And now comes all the negative replies from the full time bloggers.

Wald

"Or send them to SCS and their failing academics"
Perkins had more F's on the latest state report card than Sandusky.

Laughing

8 of 24 indicators met compared to 20 out of 24. You're kidding right?

fifteenthgreen

I'm not kidding. This is a joke and I'm not laughing. http://reportcard.education.ohio...

Furry

08-09 Effectiive
09-10 Excellent
10-11 Effective
11-12 Effective

Meadowlawn

08-09 Effective
09-10 Excellent w/Distinction
10-11 Effective
11-12 Effective

Briar

08-09 Excellent
09-10 Effective
10-11 Effective
11-12 Effective

High School

08-09 Excellent
09-10 Excellent
10-11 Excellent
11-12 Excellent

District (with additional years)
03-04 Effective
04-05 Effective
05-06 Continuous Improvement
06-07 Continuous Improvement
07-08 Effective
08-09 Effective
09-10 Excellent
10-11 Effective
11-12 Effective
12-13 F - Value Added - http://reportcard.education.ohio...

Ohio gives public schools and districts one of six ratings. The state does not award schools letter grades, but the official ratings can be roughly translated as follows:
Excellent With Distinction = A+
Excellent = A
Effective = B
Continuous Improvement = C

Wald

Why would I be kidding? Check the most recent state report card. Perkins had three F's, the most in the area. Sandusky had two F's.

Strong Schools ...

They did not. Did you look at all of the components? Probably not. We did not score well in two areas. Special education and the fifth grade math and science were the lowest scores.

Support the students!
http://perkinslevy.org/faq

fifteenthgreen

So how do you explain the terrible district grades in previous years?

SmokingGunn

TAXES have to stop! Your running good hard working people right out of the township. There are other ways to generate funds.
Generate new job growth in manufacturing rather a restaurant every 50'. Maybe consider a renters tax rather than a home owners tax.
At any rate..home owners can not continue to carry the burden.

KURTje

To the Register. This is another valid reason why blogs & your format here are great. People can address their feelings. All notice & all are heard. While not in this district one notices how Gunner comments. Again great stuff for ALL concerned. ALL have a voice.

Subtle

15th, you are going down a rabbit hole that most people will not want to hear with that report card, and here is why: Perkins and Sandusky are the only schools in the county that trigger ratings in certain categories. In Perkins, the bottom 17.8% is bringing the entire district down.

If you look at http://reportcard.education.ohio..., You see that Perkins is getting hit by poor performance in the following categories: Multiracial, Economically Disadvantaged, African American, and Students with Disabilities. Outside of Sandusky, Perkins is the only school in the county that has a significant population in most of those categories to be rated; Huron does not, Edison does not, Margaretta does not.

The state is also kind of spins their numbers where these are concerned as well... basically if you are a multiracial, economically disadvantaged, student with a disability, and they fail the test, the State penalizes the school in all three of those categories as well as the 'lowest 20' category. One student, one failed test, 4 negative marks and percentage drains.

Let's look at Edison. Their district is scoring a B just like Perkins; however, they have only two risk categories: Economically Disadvantaged and Students with Disabilities. Where Perkins Students with Disabilities are at 49% / 35% for Reading and Math respectively, Edison's are at 44% / 29% respectively.

Edison's special needs program is abysmal; however, since they don't have enough students of any of the other risk categories, they don't get penalized (overall) as heavily. If their Students with Disabilities was comprised of students also falling into the Multiracial or African American categories, their overall score would be much much lower than Perkins as their 29% would hit them across 4 separate categories.

Of course Perkins could 'help' (i.e. cheat for) students in those categories the way the majority of schools that span multiple specialty categories do, or like others, tailor their curriculum to the lowest common denominator... but Perkins has always been about building successful adults, not about padding some antiquated metrics.

PyrkinsPyrate

Maybe if Gunner & co did not max out every class by letting open enrollment kids come from Sandusky we would have higher scores, not only would our own kids who belong in our schools do better we would not have the drag on the scores from the Sandusky kids who generally have lower cognitive abilities.

fifteenthgreen

We essentially are merging schools via open enrollment and they wonder why the buildings are beyond capacity.

Strong Schools ...

Open enrollment has helped to keep us off the ballot. This was a great way for the school district to make money. I am proud to know that Perkins is the school of choice in our area. There are over 500 open enrolled students and there is still a waiting list. The open enrollment has brought in well over 2 million dollars to our district. Also, every district in our area has open enrollment and people choose to come to Perkins. We have to keep the Perkins pride in our community!
Vote yes in November!
http://perkinslevy.org/faq

fifteenthgreen

Open enrollment has caused a huge population issue within the schools. I actually feel bad for many of the "home grown" Perkins kids that have been here from day one. Example: the football team. Plus, the parents of the over 500 students crossing the borders to Perkins aren't paying any taxes to support the very school district their children are attending.

Subtle

Open Enrollment made it possible to supplement the budget without falling under a state takeover. I'm all for supporting our own and just our own except Perkins has always been the lowest tax rate in the county and most of northern Ohio.

Our residents are notoriously stingy voting in levies, yet both of your statements reflect the general feeling of township autonomy. Over 80% of all schools in the state are open enrollment...

If you are going to try and project the image of a school so special that we exist outside the norm of the majority of schools in the state, you have to exhibit self sufficiency well beyond the norm.

People in this thread talk about other local school districts all managing to keep their buildings maintained; but they all get more tax revenue than Perkins because at some point in the past decade, they have passed a levy. Many of the schools people mentioned get nearly double the tax revenue as Perkins does, so of course their buildings are better maintained, they have more tax revenue to work with...it's not really rocket science.

When you think about it, based purely off the numbers, Perkins gets the least support from its community than any other school in the district. Growing up my parents would say 'when the schools need money you pass the levy because the school IS the community'

Bad school, bad community... good school, good community, and that sentiment was shared by most. If that were the prevailing mentality, we could probably make a case to end open enrollment; however, when you get basically no support, you have to take funding wherever you can find it.

This levy really highlights that... people are squabbling over a monthly increase that amounts to less than most of us spend a week on lottery tickets, or gourmet coffee, or judging from at least one of the commentators in this thread... alcohol :P

MrGadfly

Subtle,

I will continue to vote against this levy not for financial issues but to stop the loss of voting rights. With the present move of millage in place the citizens of Perkins Township will lose their rights to vote and oversee any building issues in regards to the school system. The present school board and superintendent have manipulated the present system to accomplish their goal.

Understand, if you approve this levy, you have given the school board and superintendent the right to do as they wish without public approval , forever.

Yes, that means they can add their fountain and you have no recourse.

As someone that looks at situations and their long term effects rather than this short term issue I ask that the voting public to vote against this and all issues that reduce our American rights to oversee our life.

I know some of you don't believe it is possible but the school board and superintendent could be worse and we have no final control of their actions.

For this reason alone, all Perkins citizens must vote "no" on this issue.

Strong Schools ...

Understand, if you vote no against this levy you are only hurting the students. Gunner and the board will still be there. Also, their financial plan does take a long term approach. They have put together a comprehensive plan to help us in the future.
Vote yes in November and gain your Perkins pride!
http://perkinslevy.org/faq

fifteenthgreen

Their "comprehensive plan" has destroyed a community!

Sanduskyloveito...

Why do these discussions of Perkins have to become a bashing of the Sandusky City School System? I am so tired of reading about how horrible it would be if their children had to attend Sandusky Schools. I have had 3 children graduate from Sandusky and have grandchildren attending there now. If you have children who want to learn , and take advantage of everything Sandusky Schools have to offer you can get a quality education. Unless you know, for a fact, that Sandusky is so darn bad, do not make these negative comments.

I should not get on and read these comments because it just infuriates me. Sorry, but I had to comment.

fifteenthgreen

I personally am not opposed to merging or at least exploring it further. What's the difference? $$$ That's why I said it. If students from Sandusky are jumping ship and coming over, why not combine and make one. 400-500 students have entered the Perkins system already. This is the reason the buildings are beyond capacity. It certainly isn't due to jobs being added to the area and families being relocated here. Taco Bell and Longhorn don't need that many people. Also, give me one reason why any industry would want to come to Perkins Township? We've lost almost everything and so has Sandusky.

themomx6

^^^^ You are absolutely right! I know many FINE parents and exceptional students who have, and are currently, attending SHS. Very successful, outstanding community members. I also don't know why bashing SHS has anything to do with the fiasco going on in Perkins right now.

That being said, I will also say, I agree completely with MrGadfly.

Centauri

http://www.perkinsschools.org/Do...
"Superintendent Gunner, the Board and Bond Counsel proposed a second
alternative: using the districtʼs “Inside Millage” for the construction of new and/or renovated facilities. In this method, the Board has the authority to redirect tax dollars currently collected through “Inside Millage” into a special fund for renovation and/or construction of facilities instead of the general operations of the district. No community vote is taken, or even permitted in the law. The authority
rests entirely with the elected Board of Education members to make this decision. By moving the “Inside Millage”, no bond levies will need to be passed by the community to address the facility issues. Revenue collected from the “Inside Millage” would be utilized to issue Certificates of Participation (i.e. similar to bonds) to permit the school district to move forward with construction."

Centauri

Have extra money for schools? Spend it and then beg for more money.

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...
Perkins Twp. schools create new position

Brick Hamland

I am a "yes voter." For all the "no" voters out there that is up to you I am sure you have your reasons. If you are going to vote "no" again that is up to you, and if you want new board members that is up to you as well. I would encourage you to watch the debate at least so you know whom you are voting for. One of the canidates probably couldn't balance his own check book and based on his reponses to the questions isn't qualified to be a class president let alone on the board. If you are running for a spot on the board you should not have to answer questions like "i don't know, i will learn that when i get there." I am not giving names, just watch the debate and make your own decision, have a good day

themomx6

"i don't know, i will learn that when i get there."

^^^ Sounds like Nancy Pelosi talking about Obamacare. :)

I'd rather have a jr. high student than Terry Chapman. He's nothing but a Gunner puppet.

fifteenthgreen

BAM! - themomx6

goodtime1212

Keep reading from some of the "yes votes" "get the facts". Facts that we know not in any particular order. The voters told the B.O.E. no to a new school a few years ago. The B.O.E moved millions of dollars out of the operating budget, to capital improvement budget and now clam they are broke and can not operate. B.O.E tried to say the High school is not save (even though they spent hundreds of thousands moving the B.O.E into the High School.) B.O.E. Spent millions of tax payers money to build a new stadium. After again the voters told them NO they tried scare tactics. Now here we are ONE MORE TIME to say NO. There is NO trust, that's what its about for us. I do have one question maybe someone can answer. If the pay to play fees pay for the over $100,000.00 salary for the athletic director, where dose all the ticket money go?

Food For Thought

Have any of you that are opposed to the levy spoken with Dr. Gunner. I am not for the levy, but after speaking with Dr. Gunner I can tell you that he is doing what he believes is what's right, he is sincere. I exchanged several e-mails with the man after he posted this open letter. I was under the impression that he was as most of you opposed to the levy portray him, but I didn't see the horns.

While I disagree with his long term plan for the future of the Perkins Schools, there is no need to spread this vitriol. Good people can disagree on things, but that is the heart of what makes America the greatest country in the world. Please stop with the personal attacks, focus on the issues.

fifteenthgreen

You were doing great right up until your last sentence.

Food For Thought

I don't agree but regardless, I will take that out of my post just for you.

fifteenthgreen

Better! While his intentions may have been the best, his message was certainly not clear, precise and consistent. Also, he was deceptive in his approach and many communication mistakes were made. Additionally, despite what anyone tells you, every board of education does what their superintendent tells them to. They acted on his vision and approved his agenda. All trust has been lost and it's simply time for a change in leadership. If you can tell me how he is going to regain the trust of the majority of "no" voters in this small community, please do. It's like a really, well qualified coach that has lost his team. He may still be a good coach on paper, but if you've lost your team, it's time for management to make a move....and you can't eliminate the team!

Food For Thought

I tend to agree with you 15th and I think there is not a problem with saying that Dr. Gunner needs to step down because the community has lost faith in him. Please do not mistake my plea for civility for approval of what has gone on over the past years. The problem that I am seeing here, and its a reflection of society in general, that rather than speak to the issues we attack people instead of the things that they stand for. I think that you can disagree with people without being a... well you know.

MrGadfly

Food,

The voting public has voiced their disapproval of the present financing and proposed new building a couple of times with large majority "no" votes. The superintendent and school board have ignored their mandate and have continued to pursue their own agenda. Rather than compromise as you requested the superintendent and school board dug in their heels and again push forward again the same proposals that have failed twice. That's working together...not.

This majority of the voting public now has put forward two candidates for election that have similar beliefs as them in regards to the finances and new school. They are pursuing the correct path in changing the school board mindset. Will Mr. Gunner change if new board members are elected? Time will tell.

Food For Thought

MrGadfly,

You mistake the intent of my post. I realize that he is set in his ways and that in their mind set the administration is the end all be all when it comes to knowledge. I think it is ok to set out substantive differences with the administration and even speak to some questionable ethics calls, i.e. the Citizens loan. I have no problem saying that they all need to be removed from their positions.

Your post is a good example of what I am talking about, there are some very good points in there, but you are addressing decisions made by the individuals instead of making personal attacks against those with whom you disagree. I think that disagreement, even if its polar, is vital to our society, I'm just not sure much is gained by attacking each other.

fifteenthgreen

Well said, FFT!

Food For Thought

Double Post

Bherrle

All No Voters / Undecided Voters,

This election/levy, and the past levy attempts, have not been and are not about just one thing/issue. Should one want to narrow it down to one thing, I would call it the long term viability of the school district. This is made up of 3 main components (which I will break down further in a separate post):

1. Fiscal Responsibility for Today & Tomorrow - This applies to both the school district and the tax paying community.

2. Safe and Quality Schools - Our facilities. It is not about how old they are, it is about how they were built, their current condition, and how to address those issues both short and long term.

3. 21st Century Education for our students - The cirriculum, incorporating technology, and the learning environment.

TellTheTruth

Bherrle, you should write a book with all the knowledge and information you feel qualified to impart to the rest of us. I have seen guys like you at conferences who feel obligated to share their knowledge and foresight with the rest of us less informed. You really make me laugh! Perhaps this is your form of humor?? You bore me.

Bherrle

Tell,

I'm making comments on a public forum, as a supporter of the levy, and I'm not hiding my identity. There are many no voters on this same forum trying to "inform" people as well, who do not share their identity. I find it interesting that you would criticize me, but not them.

In fact, I was actually responding to a question from 15th Green, from page 1, and I copied the post to the last page as well. SO it seems you are criticizing me for trying to answer a question. Centauri criticizes people for not answering questions. Which way do you guys want it? You two talk and let me know.

I don't presume I know more than anyone else, but I will share the information I have, and my reasons for being a supporter. I obviously have different opinions that some. And there are times when I learn things, such as yesterday. I had a phone conversation with an individual who I believe is currently a No Voter. This person informed me of some things that I was not aware of, and that I spent part of today looking into. I won't share the details because it is private to that individual. Needless to say this information probably won't change my vote on the overall funding and direction of the school issue, but I am glad that I learned about it. The fact that I support the levy does not mean I think our district and everyone in it is perfect.

Centauri

"Centauri criticizes people for not answering questions"

What is so hard about answering simple questions?

The voters want to know where ALL of the money is going. I asked about attorney and legal costs. No answer.

I asked when Dr. Gunner's contract was signed and which took effect August 1, 2008. No answer.

That Perkins Local SD pro-levy site has a bunch of "canned" questions and answers. The real questions go unanswered.

http://www.perkinsschools.org/Do...
"The downside of redirecting “Inside Millage” to a separate fund for renovation or replacement of school facilities, is this money is no longer available for the day-to-day operations of the school district."

Bherrle

IDlong brings up a very valid point. It's called "Tax Effort." This is a measure of a communities willingness to tax itself to support the school district. It is made of up current tax levels (millage), levy passages and failures, property value, and the income of the residents of each school district. 1 is an average score. Greater than 1 is above average support, and less than 1 is below average support.

All schools in Erie County are above 1, except Perkins. Perkins is at a .88, below average support from the community. In comparison, Sandusky is at 1.85, well above average support from the community.

fifteenthgreen

Does this include the other levy passages to include the Perkins Police, Perkins Fire and Ehove?

Bherrle

School district only

Centauri

http://www.perkinsschools.org/Do...
QUESTION: What was the nice round figure of $50,000 to the law firm Bricker & Eckler for?

underthebridge

$25,000 is for another law firm (Briton, Smith, & Peters)
$65,000 is for another law firm (Pebble & Waggoner)

With the $50,000 for Bricker & Eckler, we're up to $140,000 for lawyers fees. I'm not sure if this is an excessive amount or not, but it is certainly worth noting.

fifteenthgreen

$140,000 divided by an average of $275 an hour is 509 lawyer hours. That's a little excessive to say the least.

underthebridge

Think of it is this way, $140,000 over 5 years is $700,000. (gulp. that's a lot of cheese)

fifteenthgreen

Our cheese!

Subtle

Curiously, how much do other 21 million dollar a year businesses spend annually on lawyers? I would assume it's quite high, probably close to 100k, and that is in an environment that isn't the legal minefield that public school systems are.

Every little thing can turn into a multimillion dollar lawsuit, even things that didn't happen... if I'm not mistaken, the county is currently fending off a multimillion dollar fabrication. The point is, if you are going to take bids on a job you check with the lawyers. If you are going to sell pencils at the school store, you check with the lawyers. If you are going to have parents volunteer in the school, you check with the lawyers, if you are going to present your message to the community, you check with the lawyers.

Seriously, if you think 140k in legal fees for a 21 million dollar a year business (particularly a school) is excessive, you may need to look a little closer at the inner-workings of multimillion dollar entities.

fifteenthgreen

Not that much. Are you kidding me? I am a partner in a larger company! Most 21 million dollar businesses aren't in the public spotlight like a school system. Because of this, every little minefield you speak of usually becomes public knowledge. Not aware of too many multimillion dollar lawsuits that have occurred over the last year at Perkins. Also, I can't tell you the last time I called our team of lawyers regarding pencils...and we use one of their firms, as well! I would say 12 plus forty hour weeks of legal services is excessive. If they are utilizing legal services that much, I wonder what the back story is???

underthebridge

I think some of your examples are ridiculous. Every school district has a protocol for parent volunteers that is established by the ODE. I've been through it. Believe me, I know first hand that pencil sales did not generate billable hours for their lawyers. I would bet that the lawyers hours have to do with the current (and expected)litigation the district is facing, employee discipline, and contract negotiations.

underthebridge

This is from the 8-13 BOE meeting minutes

"Mr. Carroll moved, Mr. Chapman seconded to enter into Executive to discuss possible litigation and employment of personnel."

Subtle

Those were hypothetical examples, however, I know in my business, I tell my clients to check with their lawyers if they offer a new promotion, or change the verbiage on a tri-fold informational brochure. We advise private education businesses such as day care centers, preschools, and job-coaching services to consult their attorneys and have them approve every single form, waiver, or release and any subsequent alterations to them.

We advise all our clients to have their attorneys review employee handbook changes, drug testing policies, privacy policies... you name it... these days, if you have anything at all to lose, you have your lawyer review everything, right down to the disclaimer in your email signature.

fifteenthgreen

Maybe the district talks to their lawyers daily about the asbestos laced classrooms and how they've thrown good money at stadiums, loans and laptops rather than immediately taking care of a potential health nightmare. Maybe they're planning ahead for the class action lawsuits! Uh, stadium donation or asbestos removal.........stadium!

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