Perkins High assistant principal resigns

Perkins High School’s assistant principal announced his departure Wednesday for Maumee Schools.
Alissa Widman Neese
Jul 12, 2013
At a brief meeting, school board members approved Nick Neiderhouse’s resignation and called upon Meadowlawn Intermediate School principal Dean Stanfield to fill the vacancy. Stanfield will be “co-principal” to current Perkins High School principal Mark Dahlmann, who will advise and train him to possibly take on the principal position full-time someday, communications director Chris Gasteier said.   
 
Neiderhouse was hired earlier this week as principal of Wayne Trail Elementary School at Maumee Schools. He was Perkins High School assistant principal for two years.   
 
The district has posted the Meadowlawn Intermediate School principal vacancy on its website and is accepting both internal and external applications, Gasteier said. The school board’s next meeting is Aug. 7, but its agenda is contingent on what happens the day prior.
 
Perkins Township voters will go to the polls Aug. 6 to decide the fate of a contentious emergency operating levy. It would fund day-to-day operations for the district, including employee salaries and benefits. If voters approve the levy, board members will recall employees cut in June to save costs and will reverse the increase in pay-to-participate athletic fees. If voters do not approve the levy, board members will agree to place a new levy on the November ballot.
 
Board members ended Wednesday’s meeting with a closed-door session to discuss possible litigation with an attorney and employee negotiations. No action was expected after the private meeting.

Comments

believeit

Since when can additional mills simply be tacked on to a levy once declared? Your "FACT" is simply another "no" blogger trolling. Disgraceful for such an important event, but not surprising.

Tool Box

Well you do the math, and it is simple math so you should be able to comprehend the answer. But then again you may need help from your Kool-aid drinkers to figure this one out. After listening to Gunner yesterday I am definitely voting No! He did tack on 2 more mill since the last levy. You would think, since you are a hired blogger that they would have at least told you that!

ohioredbabe

Please do your math. I would love to see your equations. Please go ahead. Show us. Do it. Type it out. And don't refer me back to one of your previous blogs again. Show us your math right here and now.

Bherrle

Tool Box,

If you take the time to inform yourself, you will learn that sometime after the May levy figures were announced, the district was notified that state funding would be cut by approx. $2 Million. Once the May levy failed, figures were updated and it was determined that either a higher millage increase than was on the May ballot was needed, or even deeper permanent budget cuts were needed, or a combo of the two, to produce a balanced budget as required by state law. This is not new information, the August levy millage figure has been the same since the BOE voted to put it on the August ballot. Yes, it is approx 2 mills higher than the May levy, and it has been since day one. We are all aware of that. None of us are paid bloggers, none of us are "Kool-Aid" drinkers. We think for ourselves.

believeit

Hired blogger? How about a concerned citizen fed up no bloggers that will find any excuse to vote down a school levy. I will admit that I misinterpreted your 2 mil increase. I didn't realize you meant from the previous levy attempt, and for that, I apologize. However, please understand that every time a levy fails, the next will most likely be higher. If it never passes, then home values (a primary investment for many) will certainly decrease. If you think your nest egg has decreased due to the economy (fortunately that trend is reversing), wait until there is a perception that the school district is weak (see Sandusky - waterfront location, yet devalued homes).

Strong Schools ...

The state funding has changed and the millage had to go up. We should have passed it in May and we didn't. Take care of our students and vote yes!

citizen

I had asked a question on the Perkins Schools website and received a response from Superintendent Gunner.

I received a flat-out lie from Superintendent Gunner as a response.

I asked the need for a $100,000+ communications director for a school district. Gunner obviously did not answer that part of my question but responded by stating "First, the Director of Communications is current paid $65,000, not $100,000+ as your question indicates."

That is unequivocally false. If you search for Chris Gasteier on the Ohio State Treasurer's website at this link http://www.tos.ohio.gov/Transpar...
it states in the 2012 school year as "other official/administrative assignment" Gasteier's taxpayer funded salary was $94,315. This does not include retirement, benefits, insurance etc. so therefore the total cost to the taxpayer is well above $100,000/year for an unneeded, unnecessary, and ineffective (obviously) communications director.

Yet Jim Gunner "corrects" me by telling me Gasteier only makes $65,000 per year. Unfortunately the fact states otherwise.

If Perkins didn't have such a deceitful Superintendent who does not respect the votes of taxpayers/citizens... they might have passed one of their levies.

samantha

...because everything on the web is true, right? that was his salary as PHS principal. do a public records request before you call Gunner a liar!

citizen

First, yes, information on the State of Ohio Treasurer's website is indeed true.

Second, it is NOT his salary as PHS principal. It is for the 2012 school year. He is classified as "other official/administrative assignment" not "principal" as in prior years.

Jim Gunner did lie in a public forum.

samantha

based on the Columbus bureacracy, I believe Gunner. I will call on Monday.

RMyer

From the Perkins School Website:

Question: Communications Director

Is the $100,000+ Director of Communications position eliminated beginning in the 2013-14 or 2014-15 school year?

Answer:

First, the Director of Communications is current paid $65,000, not $100,000+ as your question indicates. The position is eliminated effective August 1stunless the levy passes. If the levy passes, the district intends on the elimination of this position at the end of the existing contract with Mr. Gasteier at the end of the 2014-15 school year.

From the July 11, 2012 BOE meeting minutes:

[To employ] Chris Gasteier as Director of Communications at $65,000 commencing August 1, 2012 and concluding on July 31, 2015.

citizen

I am glad to see his pay was cut.

I am curious though as to why the taxpayers were forced to pay him $94,315 for the 2011-12 school year as Director of Communications.

And then for Gunner to act in his response as though he was never paid the $100,000+.... well, yea he was.

I still have not received a response from Gunner or anyone on this forum as to why Perkins Schools finds it necessary to employ a Director of Communications. What benefit does this position provide to students and their education? What has changed in the district that this new administrative position has become necessary if it hadn't been before the prior 2 years? What is the return to the taxpayer and district for investing $75,000 into this position?

underthebridge

Not sure why, but Gasteier's move to Communications Director was not a voluntary transfer. He retired and then was rehired at a lesser rate. I attended BOE meetings in which the issue of poor communication between the district, the parents, the taxpayers, etc. was discussed. Furthermore, it was discussed that one of the reasons the previous levies failed was because of poor communication. I think the district thought that hiring a Communications Director would address promoting the levy and the mission of the district. What they did not address is some of the systemic communication failures that happen between parents and administrators. In my opinion, a communications director is not going to even begin to address that.

Strong Schools ...

A Director of Communications is supposed to be a liaison between the school district and the community. They are to keep the community informed about the schools and keep the schools informed about the communities needs. Perkins has developed projects based on the needs of the community. The students have presented projects and ideas that would benefit the community. It is important to have this position because it does keep people in the loop on a lot of topics. We are not the only school district to have a communications director. Some of the positions are called different names but they have the same job description.

Sense1

citizen,

Both of your questions have been answered recently on the Perkins Levy website (http://www.perkins.k12.oh.us/Lev...). I'll post the answers here for anyone who doesn't want to click over.

"Question: Director of Communications

A question was asked regarding the Director of Communications and the questioner indicated a $100k+ compensation for this position. Superintendent Gunner on this forum responded that the Director of Communications is compensated $65,000. However, after searching the State Treasurer of Ohio’s website, Chris Gasteier as the Director of Communications in 2011-12 was paid $94,315 per year (adding in benefits etc., it is well above $100,000).

Is Superintendent Gunner misinformed about his own administrator’s salaries or did he lie?

Answer:

During the 2012-13 school year, Mr. Gasteier as Director of Communications was paid a salary of $65,000 as stated previously. During the 2011-12 school year, Mr. Gasteier was on the last year of a contract issued to him as high school principal. When the Board decided upon Mr. Gunner’s recommendation to move Mr. Gasteier to the Director of Communications position, it had to honor his previously contracted salary of $94,315 for the third year of his contract by law. When his contract expired at the end of the 2011-12 school year, a new contract was issued as Director of Communications with a salary of $65,000. Mr. Gasteier was informed that his move to Director of Communications would come with a significantly lower salary in the future of $65,000 and that remains his compensation today.

Question: Director of Communications

Further, what is the exact purpose of this position and why is it necessary now. It seems Perkins Schools functioned just fine up until about 2 years ago without this position. If the position is not necessary, if the tax increase does not pass, why is it necessary to the education of the district’s students if it does pass?

Answer:

Over the past several years, the school district, Board of Education, and Mr. Gunner have been criticized for not communicating effectively with the community. After looking at a variety of options, the Board determined that a person whose primary task was to oversee all district communications was necessary. As a result, they created the Director of Communications position. This position has been in place for the past two years and has helped to increase effective communication with our public. Mr. Gasteier, as a life-long resident of Perkins, was selected for the position as someone within the district who knew the community well and could help communicate the district mission, goals, and decisions to the broader community. Even with the creation of this position, the district has the lowest administrative costs per student of any district in the area. Our administrative costs are $238 per pupil less than the state average. Given the uncertainty of future funding, the Board has indicated that this position would be eliminated with a levy failure in August, and may be eliminated even with a levy success at the end of Mr. Gasteier’s current contract in two more years."

eriemom

@ citizen: My teaching neighbor has shown me her pay check and 1090 to compare actual to website. We went to the Buckeye website, which was very similar to your linked site, and her pay was no where near what was posted.

Strong Schools ...

Oh my goodness! Check your facts. Chris is a retire/rehire and if anyone knows the information it would be Gunner. Why would he lie about the information if it is public record or why would he lie at all? This is why this blog is so frustrating. A lot of people post so many false statements and it gets people confused. Do your homework and then you will see that we need to support our students and vote yes!

ohioredbabe

So you are going to punish the children and employees because you hold a grudge against Gunner. Nice.

Cowboy

You will NEVER pass a levy as long as Gunner is there! VOTING NO AGAIN IN AUGUST!

ohioredbabe

Another grudge holder punishing the community.

citizen

Who has a grudge?

And how is voting against a tax increase punishing the community?

I have no confidence in Jim Gunner's leadership. In my opinion, he has not shown fiscal restraint in leading the district and makes decisions against the wishes of taxpayers in choosing new buildings and facilites ahead of the students and their education. I will not vote to raise my taxes to provide Gunner more money to mismanage and move to different funds against taxpayer votes as he sees fit.

ohioredbabe

Anyone who states they will not vote for any levy as long as Gunner is in office is holding a grudge. We need to move forward people. I want you to think back when you were going to be a Junior or a Senior in High School. Maybe you were an artist or an actor. Maybe you were a football player who had potential to receive a full free ride scholarship. It was a fun exciting time. Maybe you were just the kid that showed up for class. Whatever you were you did not have the concern of voters controlling our Junior and Senior year of high school and ultimately your future. The Perkins classes of 2014 and 2015 have that concern. And that stinks. So have some compassion folks. It is not just Gunner and the board you are sticking it to. It is the students. It is the employees. And ultimately yourselves. Your property values are going to plummet if this school system fails. Your taxes have not increased in 13 years. Step up and have some compassion for your neighbors.

Wald

Why is it with you that no one is allowed to have a different opinion? Why do you have to try to label people voting no? No one has to justify their reasons for voting to you. Last time I checked, this was a democracy! Well, except for Perkins schools where officials do what they want in spite of voting results.

ohioredbabe

I like how you ignored everything else I said. The part about having compassion for your neighbor. The neighbor who is not going to be able to afford to pay for their son to pay to play. So that boy is not going to be seen by scouts and that boy was counting on earning a scholarship because it was his only way to college. That to me is heartbreaking. Everyone seems so blinded with hate for Gunner. We need to be looking at how this is affecting the juniors and seniors. These decisions will have a huge impact on their lives. Have you thought about that at all? Do you care about the juniors and seniors at all? They are the immediate future of our community.

Wald

If the kid wants to play so bad, get a summer job to pay the fee. The summer job should help with college tuition, too. Now all those "scouts" can pack Yellow Pages Stadium and your heart can be whole.

ohioredbabe

Do you care at all about the future of our Juniors and Seniors?

Wald

The Juniors and Seniors will be just fine without the levy passing. The school will be open for learning in late-August even if the levy fails. Why don't you care about those who can't afford another tax increase? The elderly? The low-income families struggling to make end's meet? Why do you want to saddle them with this burden of a new tax?

Strong Schools ...

We are not saying that we don't care for others. Why don't people care for our students? It is important to make sure they have a high quality and well rounded education. We have not passed a levy for new money in 18 years and it is time to take care of our children. Also, it is all about priorities. We are more than willing to give up movie night once a month. That is at least $35, if not more. Our community, house values, and children are more important and that is why we are voting YES in August.

ohioredbabe

Wald I do care about those who cannot afford a tax increase. I am one of those people. I am a low income family struggling to make ends meet. And I do care abou t the elderly. In my neighborhood we help each other out. We sholve our elderly neighbors walks. We mow others yards without being asked when we know they are putting in a 65 hour work week. We take care of each other. That is what community is. You presume to know me you do not. Make whatever rude degrading comments you want this is me: I am a Christian, I am a wife, I am a mother to two children, i am a full time employee, i am a conservative republican, I am a sinner, i make mistakes, i am a member of the Perkins community. We need to take care of each other. We are each others neighbors even if we live 5 miles apart. The classes of 2014 and 2015 are also our neighbors and they need our help. The 18 teachers that stand to loose their jobs are also our neighbors and need our help.

believeit

Nobody is saying you can't have a different opinion, or having to justify your reasons for voting no. Your comments are not being blocked. Those supporting the levy are simply stating ours as well, and while many of the no voters are thoughtful and simply differing in opinion, many others are not (VOTE NO, for instance.)

lifetimeresident

Let them plummet. My house has been paid off for 10 years. I'm not going anywhere. I hope. Not to soon. I have Perkins Pride. But Gunner has to go. He's causing my neighbors to vote NO. Period. Holding a grudge or not. Doesnt matter. We want a levy to pass. Only one way to get it to pass.

Strong Schools ...

Have you ever talked to him personally or gone to a board meeting? Do not judge if you have not made your OWN assumptions. Dr. Gunner has made choices that will benefit our children and I appreciate him sticking up for what is right.

Bherrle

Lifetime,

But what about when your home does need to be sold, however far into the future that is?

Strong Schools ...

Agree, Ohioredbabe!

Strong Schools ...

How about passing the levy in August so our children can have a great educational experience with multiple opportunities and so our property values do not decrease. Vote Yes and help our students and our community.

Bherrle

And I believe that if Dr. Gunner resigned to secure more Yes votes, it would be a HUGE mistake, and set a dangerous precedent.

How bout that

How many jobs would've been eliminated,how many program cuts,and how much would it cost for extracurricular activities had operating funds been left alone and not moved to a permanant improvements? Yes,I know,that there would still be a need for additional funds to properly operate the schools,had the monies not been moved. It just seems to me that Dr. Gunner and the board were willing to use the students,staff,and faculty as pawns to get their new facilities built. It doesn't seem to be the wisest course of action.

eriemom

"Stanfield will be “co-principal” to current Perkins High School principal Mark Dahlmann, who will advise and train him to possibly take on the principal position full-time someday"

The district is transferring a principal into an assistant principal position. They are calling his new position co-principal, rather than a demotion. It could be to give Mr. Stanfield some additional training.

Strong Schools ...

Moving to another school is not a demotion. It is still a principal's job. The assistant principal tends to deal with more of the discipline so the other principal can focus on other situations. This is no where close to a demotion. Vote yes and support the students!

VOTENO

Vote no for the kids.

ohioredbabe

Please explain why I should vote no for the kids.

DLK

You require a lot of explaining. Explain why we should explain why to you?

believeit

Because an explanation would make for a more civil discourse, something lacking in some these blogs.

ohioredbabe

You stated vote no for the kids. Convince me why I should vote no for the kids. How does a no vote benefit the kids? As Wald has said twice I believe we are in a democracy. Educated discussion and debate is a part of living in a democracy.

Wald

I love how you pick and choose when democratic principals are important to you. Doesn't it bother you at all that the taxpayers of Perkins exercised their democratic rights by voting no, yet Gunner and the BOE ignored this and did what they wanted anyway? They spit in the faces of all who fought and died to protect our democratic rights, which I find heartbreaking. How can you condone dictatorship by voting yes?

RMyer

I truly hope that you are also directing your frustration toward the officials in Columbus because their failure to properly address school funding issues (and by shifting more public tax dollars away from public schools to fund privately run schools) is what causes virtually every district in Ohio to come back to local voters every 3 years on average. The current governor's funding formula considers Perkins a property wealthy district, and as such, more of the burden is being placed on us to fund the schools. Reduced state funds and business inventory taxes previously paid are not being replaced by the state. The primary source of district funding issues rests in Columbus.

So make phone calls; write emails and letters to those folks to let them know how tired we are of what their lack of action does to local school districts and communities.

donutshopguy

RMyer,

Where does the state get their money? Taxes from you and I. So with your proposition you would encourage the state government to increase taxes to support the schools in the manner you feel acceptable? Arn't you just paying taxes for school out of a different pocket ? I would much rather keep those decisions local.

RMyer

Of course I understand where the state gets its money. The Ohio Constitution states: "The General Assembly shall make such provisions, by taxation, or otherwise, as, with the income arising from the school trust fund, will secure a thorough and efficient system of common schools throughout the state . . ." Four times the state funding system has been ruled unconstitutional, and then the court removed itself from any further action on school funding 10-12 years ago which has allowed our legislators to fumble about and change direction every time a new governor is elected. About the current funding formula: “The state’s formula really penalizes districts unfairly if they’re deemed to be a wealthy district [e.g. Perkins]". So, I will stand by my statement that the folks in Columbus still have some work to do. If they would work a bit harder at this problem (i.e. addressing HB 920) perhaps school districts wouldn't have to have levy requests so often. And it is a statewide problem which means it is systemic and should be addressed.

The decisions concerning our district operations and facilities have been made locally. The locally elected board members are making decisions that they believe are in the best interest of the school district and community. It is all residents' right to agree or not agree with those decisions, but the board members are operating legally and within their elected authority. If we don't agree, we have the right to vote in different board members.

Strong Schools ...

The state is taking away money from certain public schools across the state. Some schools are not affected as much, if not at all. School finance is not fair and we need the state officials to step up and fix the problems. They are trying to solve the school's financial problems on the backs of the local taxpayers. The state needs to come up with a better plan and solution so we are not having these issues as a community. But, we need to support our students and make sure they have a great education.

donutshopguy

Because if you don't vote "no" until the millage is moved back than you have taken away those children's rights to vote on building issues in the future.

Look at a bigger picture. Don't take away their right to vote.

AllTheAnswers

If the Perkins levy passes, the super should be required to donate the value of a $200 K home during the tenure of his employment. Further, it should be required he has until the school year begins to move into the district. Thus, his $300/month 'travel expense' will be eliminated as well.
Three separate committees should be formed by the BOE to represent the community. Nine different people, three sac on:
1. Buildings Group
2. Financial Advisor/Auditor Group
3. Personnel Board advising on new hires, supplementals, oversee the BOE, and have the Super report directly to them in addition to BOE.

The community had lost trust. The BOE no longer represents the majority of the community serving as the elected "representatives of the community". Gunner works for the BOE whom is elected to represent the taxpayer. Seems as though he is no longer the tail, he is the whole darn dog! This is not the way it is supposed to be. These committees could see to it that Gunner remains accountable. Purchase/propose district-wide NEEDS, not personal WANTS through this professional committee. The Perkins system, unfortunately, needs one extra level of checks and balances...including the financial hierarchy.

underthebridge

These are great ideas AllTheAnswers. If I remember correctly, your opinion of the district and Gunner has changed considerably. To what do you attribute your changes?

Strong Schools ...

Dr. Gunner still pays taxes even if he does not live in our community. I believe he is paying higher taxes where he lives now. So many people commute to work each day. I think it is just an excuse for people to be against him. It should not matter if he lives in our district. The board members are the ultimate decision makers. Gunner can give his recommendations but the board makes the final decision. If you do not like what our board has done than do not vote for them in November. Don't take it out on the students in August. Support our Students! Vote yes!

donutshopguy

Strong,

So you are for giving up those kids rights in the future to make decisions on school buildings? Let's sacrifice the future to get what we want now? Haven't we done enough of that at the federal level of government?

Sorry, I have kids and grandkids in the community and will not sacrifice their rights and responsibilities in the future to solve a problem today.

Strong Schools ...

What rights am I sacrificing? How is my post related to buildings?

Strong Schools ...

Our the students have the right to a quality education that we have not supported financially for 18 years (new money). It is embarrassing to know that some people in this community will not support their future contributing community members...the students. When I moved my family here I was so excited because I have always heard awesome things about Perkins and the schools. Now we are learning that there are some irresponsible people living among us that hold grudges, can't think long term, and put their needs before their/our children. I am voting yes and supporting the students!

donutshopguy

Strong,

I'm irresponsible because I suggest a different direction to a new building? I'm think way more long term than you.

You are looking at now. I'm looking at my kids and grandkids generations.

Why are you so willing to give up the voting rights of the taxpayers ?

underthebridge

Additionally, this community has to be prepared that its population will in all likelihood continue to decrease. Large school buildings that are state of the art, but not occupied will be a big problem for our children and grandchildren.

Strong Schools ...

I feel that everyone should exercise their right to vote. There are a lot of people who do not vote informed and have a hard time putting others before themselves. People do not do their own research and believe some of the rumors and misinformation on these blogs. I am willing to sacrifice movie and pizza night if that ensures the children in my community will receive a well rounded education . They will be the ones running this community in the future. Support the students and take your frustration out in November.

RMyer

DSG: We've been around this block several times. The decision on facilities rests within the scope of the elected board members. So, we all have the right, now and in the future, to encourage candidates to run who share our views. Then we work to get them elected. It's somewhat ironic to me that the inside millage (also known as "unvoted" millage is at the center of the disagreement). It is part of the 10 mills set by law that local gov't entities split. Local gov't bodies are permitted to use this millage as they see fit.

Just because bond levies have been traditional, doesn't mean that is the only way to address facilities. Going the traditional bond levy route will at this point, and going forward, will result in a higher cost to taxpayers (operational + bond levies).

donutshopguy

RMyer,

Yes, there are other means to fund this facility issue. The method decided on by the school board removes the public's right to vote and have a check and balance on their decisions in regards to buildings. As an American I don't believe our country was built on removal of the public's vote. I thought it was the opposite. Did the history books change?

RMyer

History books haven't changed. Infrastructure projects and how to fund them are decided on by elected officials (roads, bridges, zoning changes, tax abatements/incentives, etc.) at the local, state, and federal level; it is a part of the job responsibilities. This board decided that to address the facility issue at the lowest cost to taxpayers (including themselves) in the short and long term was to proceed a different way other than bond levies. They did the research, they considered the options and the impact on residents, and chose what they believe is the least costly and will address both facilities and operations.

RMyer

Also DSG-regarding our children and grandchildren: Why would we allow a problem that we face today fester until it becomes the responsibility of our kids and grandkids? Shouldn't we solve the problem now? This issue will only grow in complexity and cost the longer we put it off.

donutshopguy

RMyer,

As you said we have discussed this issue previously. I'm not against improvement in buildings when needed. I'm against the process chosen to reach that point. I have given you and Mr. Gunner another option than the current funding method. This option does not fit into Mr. Gunner's dream plan so it was not evaluated. You can't mess with the masters dream plan.

My plan offers replacement of the high school with public vote. That's the difference.
It's the taxpaying public's vote. It's the taxpaying public's decision. It's not the ivory tower decision that brought us the "folly with the fountain."

VOTENO

Vote yes to give the teachers a raise and for a new building.

themomx6

Exactly!

Bherrle

Incorrect VOTENO - teachers have agreed to a pay freeze, among other concessions, and the any facility/building decisions will not be made now until after the November election when two BOE members are up for re-election.

Please stop spreading incorrect information. It is quite a shame that the Sandusky Register provides a forum for those who wish to spread incorrect information anonymously

donutshopguy

Bherrle,

The teachers are in negotiations for a new contract. Are you telling me that they have agreed to a freeze.

Bherrle

DSG,

I will seek clarity on that to be sure. I know they have been under a freeze, not 100% sure if that is carried thru to new negotiations or not.

I did post back a few pages on the blog about meeting with you, I just saw your offer earlier today. Tuesday around 8 AM, or 11:15AM or after works, or anytime Wednesday AM. If you have a regular spot, that's fine, I suggested Jolly Donut on 250 across from Pat Cataan's/Little Ceaser's.

donutshopguy

Bherrle,

Meet you at 8am tomorrow.

Donut

Bherrle

Sounds good, thank you.

Strong Schools ...

What teacher is getting a pay raise for this levy...NONE! Do not spread rumors and start something else. The teachers have taken a pay freeze for the past two years to try and help the district financially. Also, they have given more towards their insurance.

perkinsparent

I've read through most of the comments and will not get on my band wagon about what I think and why about the levy. I just want to remind the voters that the State is raising the sales tax by .25% and Erie County is also getting ready to raise the sales tax by another .5%. So, take a look at your income, expenses, wants vs. needs, and determine what is going to be right for you in the long run. I have kids in Perkins Township, but I am taking a long, hard look at our finances before August 6th gets here. As for Mr. Stanfield, I have had limited conversations with him, but he has been understanding, kind, and fair. I wish him all the best at the high school and look forward to meeting the new principal at Meadowlawn later this year.

citizen

Bherrle-

Could you please give me additional information on a faculty pay "freeze." What does this actually mean and when was this in effect?

I ask because I have searched a number of Perkins faculty through the State of Ohio Treasurer's Transparency website, and all faculty had increases in their salary between the 2010, 2011 and 2012 school years.

I am hoping you can provide me with further clarification on this so called "freeze." We don't want false information floating around. According to Josh Mandel, the State of Ohio Treasurer, faculty at Perkins have been receiving healthy raises over the past several years.

44870 South

Don't be bullied into passing this levy. Vote "NO".

Strong Schools ...

There are no bullies here. There are informed people who are taking a stand for their children. We need to keep the student's best interest in mind.

citizen

Could a tax increase supporter please explain how Gunner calculated the $730 per sport fee?

On the Q&A page on the Perkins Schools website, he provided a chart that shows $454,043 in athletic department costs. This is divided by the 622 student participants for a rate of $730 per student.

However, Gunner did not take into account the revenues that are generated by the athletic department. According to Mike Strohl's (Athletic Director) response on the Q&A forum, athletics generates revenue of $142,194. Plus $5,000 per season from the PABC.

This puts Perkins Athletics at a $296,849 annual operating loss (454,043-142,194-5,000-5,000-5,000). The $296k loss divided by the 622 participants shows a $477 fee per participant would cover the operating loss of the athletic department and also pay for the AD and assistant's salary.

Why then did Gunner and board choose to use the $730. Could it be that the $730 fee would likely have a much larger negative impact and cause more parents to vote yes to avoid the fee than a $477 fee? Nah, Gunner and Board don't use scare tactics like that!

VOTENO

Exactly. Gunner said the police got their levy passed by threatening to dismantle the department. Now he is doing the same thing.

VOTENO

Why do we need all these assistants? If the department head can't do the job on their own without an assistant, fire them and hire someone else who can.

Bherrle

Citizen,

I am seeking clarification on your question. I know that the ticket sale revenue pays for the list of things noted below, and I want to verify that what is listed as "athletic department costs" in the chart you refer to doesn't pay for the same things as ticket revenue.

Our ticket revenue almost always annually matches our Athletic Department budget. We would spend more than we bring in annually if it were not for the $5,000 seasonal supplemental payment from the PABC, equipment purchases from the PABC, and coaches purchases from their fundraiser accounts. Our coaches do a great job of fundraising to take some of the burden off the athletic department in regard to purchases for the program.

List of items purchases from the Athletic Department Budget: The annual revenue is usually very close to department expenses each school year.

Officials Equipment

Game Workers and Staff Awards and Trophies

Police Security Technology & Software

SBC League Dues Golf Course Fees

Tournament Entry Fees Hotels (state and clinics)

Uniforms Post Season Banquets

Medical Supplies Athletic Department Office Supplies

Printing Costs

Sports that have ticket revenue: Football, Volleyball, Soccer, Swimming, Basketball, Wrestling, Track & Field. These 7 sports produce the revenue to operate all the other programs in the Athletic Department.

44870 South

Don't be bullied into passing this levy. Vote "NO".

44870 South

We don't need brand new buildings...That's what this is all about. My house is older than those buildings! Vote NO.

Bherrle

44870 South,

Comparing one's home to a large public building(s) housing hundreds of students, teachers, staff, etc, is just not an apples to apples comparison. My home was built in 1959, I support the levy, I will be Voting YES.

My home does not have decaying exterior walls, sewage leaks under the building, asbestos insulation around plumbing, asbestos tile, nor asbestos containing ceilings that can easily be caused to leak fibers into the air. 3 study's (2 independent) have recommended building new, that the cost to renovate is not feasible. Those study's are available to the public, in fact at least one of them is available on the districts website @ http://www.perkins.k12.oh.us.

RMyer

The age of a house has nothing to do with a public use facility. A public use facility like the high school has been exposed to the wear and tear of tens of thousands of individuals over the years. Also, there are concerns about construction materials used in the school buildings, safety and security concerns, deteriorating iron pipes, unusable restrooms, accessibility issues, exit issues, and so on. The decision to renovate or build new must be arrived at by looking at costs of both and long term demographic trends and what that means for facility use. A decision to do nothing will result in higher costs in the future.

Wald

And yet the Health Department, an entity who wasn't paid by Perkins to make sure to find something wrong, said students are perfectly safe going there. Hmmm...

themomx6

This post is very interesting.............any comment?

citizen
Mon, 07/15/2013 - 6:28pm

Could a tax increase supporter please explain how Gunner calculated the $730 per sport fee?

On the Q&A page on the Perkins Schools website, he provided a chart that shows $454,043 in athletic department costs. This is divided by the 622 student participants for a rate of $730 per student.

However, Gunner did not take into account the revenues that are generated by the athletic department. According to Mike Strohl's (Athletic Director) response on the Q&A forum, athletics generates revenue of $142,194. Plus $5,000 per season from the PABC.

This puts Perkins Athletics at a $296,849 annual operating loss (454,043-142,194-5,000-5,000-5,000). The $296k loss divided by the 622 participants shows a $477 fee per participant would cover the operating loss of the athletic department and also pay for the AD and assistant's salary.

Why then did Gunner and board choose to use the $730. Could it be that the $730 fee would likely have a much larger negative impact and cause more parents to vote yes to avoid the fee than a $477 fee? Nah, Gunner and Board don't use scare tactics like that!

samantha

In that same explanation from Strohl he states that the $142K- the revenue from football and basketball- pay for the officials and staff to run all the games for all the sports- freshmen, JV, varsity.

RMyer

"While the district budget pays for coaches salaries and transportation costs, the athletic budget pays for most of the day-to-day expenses of running the athletic program. The figures used by Mr. Gunner and the Board reflect salaries, benefits, and transportation costs only. It is assumed that the revenue from ticket sales and donations from the PABC are needed to continue to cover the day-to-day costs of the athletic department. Listed below are all of the items that the athletic department pays for from the ticket revenue and PABC donations. None of these costs were figured in the Board expenses.
List of items purchases from the Athletic Department Budget: The annual revenue is usually very close to department expenses each school year."

Officials Equipment
Game Workers and Staff Awards and Trophies
Police Security Technology & Software
SBC League Dues Golf Course Fees
Tournament Entry Fees Hotels (state and clinics)
Uniforms Post Season Banquets
Medical Supplies Athletic Department Office Supplies
Printing Costs

The way I understand it is that the ticket revenues cover the above items. The Athletic Dept. cost on the chart you referenced is for salaries/benefits/costs in the athletic dept. that the ticket revenues do not cover. So, the $730 calculation appears to be correct.

RMyer

For those who have questioned the technology, STEM, and other educational/facility initiatives undertaken by Perkins, there is an interesting quote from Sen. Gardner in the Sandusky School article today: "Public education has more competition than it did 20 or 30 years ago and if you sit back and don't engage, you're bound to lose students. . ." I would also argue that a district runs the risk of not attracting additional families looking to locate to the area if the school environment is deemed inadequate. Most realtors I have spoken to indicate that one of the top questions about an area is the school system as folks gather information to make a decision about where to build or buy.

observer

Why is it that Huron, Margaretta, Edison, Clyde, etc., who have school buildings that are older/equal/worse condition aren't in an uproar to build a new complex? Could it be that they realize the current economic conditions are too bad to even consider building a new school? Very strong rumors that KBI, or whatever they're caling it now, is closing soon. Today's front page of the paper has a story about Erie Co. Board of DD shutting down the transportation department. I know several people there who will be losing their jobs when that happens. People just do not have the money right now!

Cowboy

Vote NO to save your houses!

Strong Schools ...

Vote YES to keep the value of your home!

RMyer

I believe Clyde-Green Springs added some new or renovated facilities within the past five years as have Bellevue and Port Clinton. Can't answer for Huron, Sandusky, Margaretta, Edison; have those districts had facility reviews?

donutshopguy

RMyer,

Clyde added facilities and now can't pass an operating levy. Nice building, less teachers.

How is that advantageous?

RMyer

Is the new building being used? Clyde, like so many other districts, was having trouble passing operating levies before the facility upgrade. If the old building was still in use, there would still be fewer teachers employed. I don't see the connection being made. Should facility issues be ignored and passed forward indefinitely? Should facility issues only be addressed at a point when the structure is collapsing or some other event triggers the need? Should we wait until the elected folks in Columbus have totally gutted the public school system in Ohio by continuing to make it more difficult for districts to operate? No matter what is proposed for facilities, there will be people who are adamantly opposed. So, what does one do if one is a school board member tasked with providing for facility needs and educational needs?

donutshopguy

RMyer,

Based on conversations with my customer and suppliers in Clyde, I do believe the problem escalated after the new school was built. People were and are still just tapped out by rising costs to fund all the needs of public entitlement. They are paying for the new building and can't afford any more additional taxes. I see the connection. Sorry you don't.

citizen

Bherrle-

Thanks for your response on the athletics.

Any response with the faculty pay "freezes?"

Again, the idea that Perkins faculty has taken pay freezes run directly contrary to Josh Mandel, the State of Ohio Treasurer's transparency site.

Bherrle

Follow up on the athletics question. The $136,524.01 listed under "Athletic Dept" in the chart showing how the $730 per sport fee was computed captures only the salaries and benefits of the Athletic Director and Athletic Dept. Secretary. These expenses are not covered by the ticket sales revenue. The expenses covered by ticket revenue (listed above and in Mr. Strohl's explaination on the levy question website) were not included in the chart, therefore, the revenue covering those expenses should not be included either. $730 per sport is the correct computation.

With regard to faculty salary freezes, I am still seeking full clarity to be certain. There is already an answer on the levy question site (http://www.perkins.k12.oh.us/Lev...) that states that Perkins teachers have been under a pay freeze the past three years. There is also a chart showing that new teachers salaries have remained the same during the past three years.

As far as the new negotiations, I don't believe much detail is available on that at this point, but I believe that the teachers are being asked to make further concessions.

Bherrle

Citizen,

The full answer to the salary freeze question is that the salary schedule was frozen, no increases in the salary schedule for the past 2 years.

However, that does not prevent a teacher moving up on the salary schedule based on years of service, or as they continue their education. Example - a teacher with 5 years of service would be paid more than a 1 year teacher. A Master's Degree educated teacher would be paid more than one with only a Bachelor's. Etc.

So, based on the salary schedule (which is a part of the contract between the district and the teachers union), there have been teacher's who have received raises due to either years of service or their own educational achievements.

donutshopguy

Just because the school board deems it a need doesn't always equate to an agreement by the general public, as in this case.

The general public has different thoughts and ideas of where they want their money spent. If this levy is approved the general public will lose their input on building projects within the district and will lose that power to make decisions in their best interest.

I don't think the general public is willing to give that power up to five people.

Bherrle

DSG,

It was good to meet you in person today, and good to have some civil dialogue despite our areas of disagreement. I think this is our main area of disagreement, and it at least partly stems from how things work where I grew up (Pennsylvania) vs. how things have always been in Ohio.

I understand the reasons you feel the public would be, but I don't see the public giving up any rights by passing this levy. Funding for renovation or new buildings is needed, regardless of the which path is chosen. The BOE choose to move inside millage to ensure at least some level of funding for one or the other. We didn't get to get into the specifics of that move, but long term, I see it to be the best financial decision for the taxpayers. The board see's it that way too. Unfortunately, this has become publicly divisive item, but the board had to do something to ensure PI funds after the failure of the November 2010 Levy.

From a voting rights perspective, as a voter, I don't want the exact design/makeup of the building to be up to 9,500-10,000 voters. I feel this is why we elect a board, and why the board hires a superintendent, and why they seek expert guidance when needed. The public can still have input via public comment, board meetings, board member elections, etc. Yes, at the end of the day, the board can still choose to go against the public majority if it feels that strongly that it is the right thing to do. If if the public dislikes that enough, board members will probably start being replaced at the next election.

Also, just as a reminder to all, the board will not make any decision regarding new buildings until after the November Board member election.

believeit

The general idea of how our tax dollars should be spent has been going on since the advent of taxes. If you asked ten people to come up with a budget, you would probably get ten different responses. Everyone who pays taxes (and many who don't) get frustrated about where "their" tax dollars are going. Unfortunately in this day and age, when taxes are able to voted upon, they often are voted down. You are correct that new facilities have been voted down, but it is wrong to assume that this is the vast majority of residents voicing their opinions. No voters will quite likely still be no voters, but the goal of the pro-levy group is try to get better representation of the electorate. This is a difficult, and not necessarily a successful task, but it is the only choice available. Regardless of anyone's opinion of Gunner, new facilities, the student's needs, or taxes in general, no new monies have been raised in 13 years (the only district in the area with such a record) and financially Perkins Schools is hurting. That need is not going to magically disappear (especially with our current state funding) and is only going to get more expensive, no matter who is running the show.

RMyer

Well said.

Strong Schools ...

I think it is funny the word "power" is being used. I feel people on this blog abuse their "power". We can't control the spending by the politicians at the state level so people use local voting opportunities to be "powerful". Well, your "power" is being irresponsible and could lower the values of our homes and community. Step up and support our students! It is in the best interest of our children!

citizen

Bherrle- If the Gunner and Board will not make any decisions until after the November election, why did they take out a $3,000,000 loan from Citizens Bank to design and plan for the new buildings?

They've already made the $3 million dollar decision to start designing and planning them. Whatever "decision" they put off is mere formality.... or they wasted another $3 million of yours and my money.

Wald

Bingo.

RMyer

The Board took a loan to pay for the architectural fees associated with the design of the new stadium, to assess renovation costs of the high school, and a potential/preliminary design for a new 7-12 school facility. Three facility issues are in the loan amount.

After the Nov. 2010 vote (on 4.98 mills), the district asked for more input from residents in the form of a survey. At the time, the responses indicated that the district should focus on PHS. There were even comments on the Register site that if the board scaled back and focused on just the high school, it might be surprised at the support. There were additional meetings and opportunities for resident input. In order to have a plan, a plan is needed, therefore architects get involved, and architects don't work for free. Design options are also necessary to ball park costs for renovation or replacement. Can't set a number if there isn't a plan in place to arrive at an estimate.

fifteenthgreen

A $3,000,000 dollar plan? Called writing a check that you cannot cash....or taking out a loan that you can't repay.

RMyer

Your plan to deal with facilities and operations is . . .

RMyer

citizen: Your plan is . . .

fifteenthgreen

.....great!

themomx6

Not doing anything right now is a lot better than doing something really stupid! i.e.; taking out a $3,000,000 loan at the same you're laying off teachers! Gunner and the BOE...Ineptness at it's finest!

Sense1

If you're not happy with the BOE, two members are up for re-election in November.

Bherrle

themomx6,

In any moment of decision, the right decision is the best decision, the wrong decision is second best, and no decision at all is the worst.

Doing nothing is just not an option. That only leaves a bigger problem for future BOE's & Super's. I'm sorry you feel they are inept. I and many others disagree.

Strong Schools ...

At least our board and Dr. Gunner are trying to fix the problems facing our schools. The facility issues have been swept under the rug for many years and it is about time someone notices the problems. We would never let our homes fall apart...why are we so willing to let our schools?

fifteenthgreen

The letter to the editor stated that the new schools are on hold. Has the safety of the children been put on hold, as well? What is being done to eliminate the emergency health issues that originally required a $3,000,000 design plan? Why are these children still exposed to raw sewage, potential asbestos, etc.? Or is it ok until after the November election? Which is it?

RMyer

FG-A board member has the difficult job of trying to balance decisions that are best for students, community and staff. You would find, assuming you ran and were elected, that some will criticize you for an action (e.g. moving forward with building issues), then turn around and question the decision to wait to move forward (e.g. wait until the next election). Some will never support any decision you make due to financial or personal issues; some will never support you due to having had an experience with an administrator or teacher or coach that was not positive for some reason; some who don't live in the district will oppose you-I'm not sure why (past issues?); some will oppose you due to tax issues involved (some people are opposed to any tax regardless of the reason for the tax); some will oppose you because their school system is impacted by decisions made by our school system (thank the legislature and gov. for creating that situation-don't blame the school board); some will oppose actions because they don't have any family in the school system, and then the supporters will be pushing you to continue on a path they prefer. Every major decision will be greeted this way. Some will not attend meetings, and some will not bother to review the evidence/facts (or ignore same) but will have strong opinions that will be posted anonymously and contain statements that would probably not be made in a public forum. Some of these anonymous posters will question your integrity and character.

I don't envy the position board members are in and give credit to those who decide to serve our community for the right reasons (i.e. no narrow agenda to push, no grudge) and to put themselves in such a public position that requires difficult decisions be made.

Common Sense

Re: fifteenth green
"The board has agreed to HOLD OFF on any movement or decision until after the November election of board members." That means that the matter will move in some direction after the election. If you don't agree with the current movement, please go ahead and vote for those who share your vision,
The children will continue to have raw sewage removed by the janitors and the ceiling will be sealed as students (our children) continue to break through the asbestos showing us just how high they can jump (or destroy property).
It is not "ok" to have these health issues facing our students. However, as long as we can afford to give them cars, cell phones, video games, vacations beyond the borders, etc., you and the voters that seem to agree with you will have let others know how your priorities are rated.

fifteenthgreen

This makes me sad. I thought we were getting a new school. I loved the design plans mounted on the fence at the new stadium entrance and really thought the district had my child's safety in their best interest. Especially since they seemed so passionate about the need for a new school due to the concerns raised. Now we are relying on a November election of two board members and in the meantime, the janitors will still have to shovel raw sewage on the floor and only minimal exposure to asbestos is ok. What a waste of $3,000,000 if we're not going forward.

Strong Schools ...

The district has the safety of the children in mind all of the time. That is why they fix the problems as soon as possible and why they are making the public aware of the building issues. The board is waiting until November to hear the new board members. All of the board members represent the community and the new board members might have a different vision.

fifteenthgreen

What if the "new" board members are the "same" old board members? = New School = Plan worked.

AllTheAnswers

Leadership versus Cost Savings
If one were to look at five of the top level administrators at Perkins (HS principal, asst principal, MS principal, asst principal, Athletic Dept), Gunner has 3 interims, the next HS principal-in-training (Mr. Neiderhouse) has resigned and the Athletic Depart leader was placed on the RIF list. Look at the administration employment record at Bryan. Seems as though there may be a leadership question here. Once you learn too much, you're no longer an asset to the Gunner administration. Kind of how the community feels (taxpayers whom are owners of the school district). Our input is disregarded because "they" know better than the community. Leads to lack of trust. Which leads to question about leadership. Which leads to a personal questioning if this Super is the right leader. New school(s) needed? Probably yes. Is this the team to lead us to the right decision. Not sure about that. WANTS versus NEEDS. After 6 decades of voting yes, this remains a tough decision. Sure wish the BOE would form a committee of former Perkins top-level folks to guide us. Many of those people are still around the community. A quick study of Bryan HS can make one nervous of Perkins future under this leadership. Wish former insiders could break down what is going on as they have school administrative understanding much better than the general public.

samantha

I disagree strongly with your post.:

Leadership team has been with Perkins for years- multiple years! There are no interims. Like it or not, retire/rehire is a cost savings to the district. All prudent business moves.

Neiderhouse left for a better opportunity. He aspires to be a super and needs leadership at the elementary level. Not uncommon in education.

AD on RIF list because if the levy does not pass his wage will be paid by pay to play fee.

What taxpayer input has been disregarded by Gunner? Just because you disagree doesn't mean he has not listened. Ultimately your problem is with the board. You don't like the direction, vote for someone else in November.

Regarding Bryan, be specific. What are you alleging?

Six decades of voting yes? I assume this is you personally because over the last 30 years Perkins voters have only passed ONE operating levy the first time on the ballot. Perkins voters do not blindly support anything if that is what you are implying.

If you refer back to my earlier post this board HAS reached out and is following the input received. I get that you disagree but recognize that due diligence has been done.

themomx6

Bherrle
Wed, 07/17/2013 - 9:51pm

"....... the wrong decision is second best, and no decision at all is the worst."

^^^ That is the craziest statement I've ever heard! "The WRONG DECISION" is BETTER than no decision!!??

OK, let's see. I REALLY need a new car..............I cannot afford a new car right now...........rumor has it, I'm going to be losing my job in 2 months...............what to do, what to do?..............I know!......... I'll go take out a loan for say, $3 million dollars for a new school plan, oops, I mean $30,000 for a new car!!!.......uh-oh,.......... wrong decision,.......... but, according to Bherrle, it's better than just not making any decision at all,.......... better than WAITING to see what happens with the levy, oops, I mean my job.

Utter stupidity!

Bherrle

Mom,

It's general statement, and your twisting it's meaning. Waiting is a decision. I was referring to doing nothing about the current facilities issues. Doing nothing is not an option.

It seems that no matter what the BOE does, they will be criticized. Their supporters will be criticized. Called stupid, such as you have just done.

So - what is your specific plan to address the issues? If you disagree with the BOE, what alternatives do you suggest? It is easy to criticize, anyone can do it. Offer us some solutions that maintain the current academic & athletics programs, keep the district financially solvent, and that properly address the facilities issues.

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