Battle plans drawn

District seeks support for 10-year, 6.73-mill levy.
Alissa Widman Neese
Jun 18, 2013

Jason Bennett stood before a crowd Monday night to offer a simple but clear rallying cry.

As a contentious levy debate effectively divides the Perkins Schools community, Bennett urged a group of passionate levy supporters to consider it a unifying matter.

“The only way we’re moving forward is as a team, a community and as a cohesive school system,” Bennett said. “Put any personal interests aside and do this for our students and our school district.”

About 125 people gathered in the Perkins High School cafeteria for the kickoff meeting of Citizens for Perkins Schools, the district’s newly formed levy committee.

The group includes parents, teachers, school officials and township residents, all volunteers aiming to promote the district’s upcoming August levy.

The supporter turnout was at least 10 times that of the past levy campaign’s turnout, district communications director Chris Gasteier said.

“I won’t pass judgments as to why, because we’re just happy to see them here,” Gasteier said.

Perkins Schools is proposing a 10-year, 6.73-mill emergency operating levy on the August ballot, nearly 2 mills larger than a May proposal which voters overwhelmingly rejected. The levy would fund day-to-day operations for the district, including employee salaries and benefits.

Although the county auditor hasn’t yet certified its official amount, superintendent Jim Gunner has said the levy will cost the owner of a $150,000 home an additional $310 in taxes per year.

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This past week, board members approved about $2 million in district-wide reductions, including eliminating 15 staff members and hiking pay-to-participate fees to as much as $730 per sport for high school athletes. If voters approve the August levy, the cuts could be reversed and fees will return to normal.

Brandy Bennett, Citizens for Perkins Schools committee chair, organized Monday’s crowd into focused subcommittees with Jason, her husband. In the next couple months, subcommittee leaders will oversee various levy campaign efforts, including distributing signs, collecting funds, visiting residents door-to-door and dispersing information online and in-person.

“Everyone here is very passionate and ready to commit to getting this levy passed,” she said.

The group knows convincing a majority of township residents to vote in favor of the levy won’t be an easy task. Voters haven’t approved an emergency operating levy for the district since 2000, its only levy for new operating money in the past 18 years.

Still, the Bennetts are determined to do all they can to promote the cause. They moved to the area so their two children — now students at Perkins High School and Meadowlawn Intermediate School — could attend Perkins Schools. They don’t want to see the district’s stellar reputation marred by costly cuts, they said.

“There are still questions that need answered and still misinformation which we need to address,” Jason said. “We’re dedicated to doing it as a team. We’re all pulling in the same direction.”

Comments

Centauri

http://tinyurl.com/nrvaw4y

Properties sold in Perkin Township located in Erie County, Ohio from the beginning of 2013. 239 properties sold or transferred. Check the valuations for tax purposes of property sold against the selling price. How much money is the Perkins School District losing due to lowered valuations for tax purposes?

http://www.movoto.com/property/o...
"Real Estate in Perkins Township,Sandusky.
Homes for Sale in Perkins Township, Sandusky OH"

YepThatsMe

"Misinformed": Information that is not correct.

bobshumway92

"Misinformed" A keyword told to use on this site. Look around and you will see other keywords.

bobshumway92

Vote no! We lose thousands per open enrollment student. See above!

RMyer

You are incorrect about open enrollment. See my post above.

Vote Informed

We will pass a levy sooner or later. The longer we wait, the more expensive it will get. Do you think the shortage of funds will go away? The fiscal forecast says it won't until we pass a levy. The sooner we pass the levy the better. As a reminder, the last levy passed in 2000. It's time for a levy to pass and we will do whatever it takes to make sure the August levy does.

Finn Finn

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YepThatsMe

"Misinformed": A word used, quite frequently I might add, when misinformation is listed, spoken, or otherwise stated. Since you seem tired of seeing this common word, here are some synonyms. See Also: misguiding, misleading, or misdirected. Don't insult the people speaking their minds on this blog for the words they use. There are no puppet strings here.

bobshumway92

The blog team is on puppet strings. You must be part of the committee.

Vote Informed

I am in full support of the levy committee and I'm glad that they present themselves with the correct facts! VOTE YES!

Wald

The fact is that this is a building levy. Vote no!

Vote Informed

I cannot stress enough that this levy is for school funds as a result of lack of state funding and that we haven't passed a levy since 2000. Please don't spread false information on these blogs.

Finn Finn

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bobshumway92

"Lack of state funding" another key phrase. Can anyone get a copy of the sheet that was handed out to the blog committee?

Vote Informed

Bob, this is the correct information and I stand by it.

bobshumway92

"Correct information" another key phrase.

Finn Finn

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bobshumway92

"Haven't passed a levy since 2000" another key phrase the blog committee was instructed to use. It's Comical to say the least.

Strong Schools ...

Check out the Perkins Local Schools website and check out the facts. Some of the questions you are asking have already been answered.

http://www.perkins.k12.oh.us/Lev...

Get informed and Vote Yes!

bobshumway92

"Facts" Another keyword they are told to use.

RMyer

I hope that using facts is exactly what should be considered (whether you disagree or agree on an issue) when trying to decide the merits of an issue.

bobshumway92

The no voters are using facts and aren't believing the lies being spewed by you yes voters. No taxpayer funds for the stadium, school is a health hazard, insidr millage, not a building levy, etc. Sad you people are being duped. Especially sad that the teachers union is going along with it. Borderline pathetic.

Strong Schools ...

Think of the students...do not punish them because you are mad at the board. Stop thinking only about yourself and think about the process as a whole. We have to put the students first. This will help build a strong community! Someone voted for me and now we need to step up and take care of our children!

Finn Finn

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Vote Informed

Finn Finn, you must be tired! Maybe you need a break.

Finn Finn

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fifteenthgreen

B Average school district! How come people aren't discussing this? It's the most important issue...Uh, besides the on again, off again safety and asbestos issues....uh, besides the on again, off again, on again, off again $3,000,000 new school loan/design,.....! This is too much! We're is bherrle when you need him?

Vote Informed

Make an educated vote on August 6th! http://perkins.k12.oh.us/Levy.aspx

fifteenthgreen

Make an educated vote. Get a B rating and some asbestos to go with it...maybe. Type your favorite school district in the filter: http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/...

Vote Informed

Please attend the next board meeting before you make any more allegations or ask the board at http://perkins.k12.oh.us/Levy.aspx. VOTE YES for the teachers and students!

Finn Finn

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Finn Finn

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bobshumway92

"Educated vote" another key phrase.

PyrkinsPyrate

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Personal attacks (including: name calling, presumption of guilt or guilt by association, insensitivity, or picking fights).

fifteenthgreen

Where did you go, Pyrkins Pyrate? Best post yet!

bobshumway92

Hey, where did this comment go? It was an honest comment from a Perkins teacher who isn't afraid of Gunner like the rest of the union!

bobshumway92

The teachers union is backing Gunner while he is slashing their jobs. What kind of union is this? Gunner has to be laughing at this! He's got you eating right out of his hand!

Vote Informed

As a parent who regularly goes to these board meetings and seeing and speaking personally to the teachers, they are educated and know what kind of situation we're in. They're not eating out of his hand. They know that their jobs are at stake because of lack of state funding and how we haven't passed a levy since 2000.

bobshumway92

"Lack of state funding" & "We haven't passed a levy since 2000". Key phrases the blog committee were advised to use.

Vote Informed

Its not the key phrases, its the truth that we're spreading to the public. We're tired of seeing the negativity come from the blog posts. This levy has absolutely nothing to do with a new building as you seem to think.

fifteenthgreen

Tell that to the bank when the $3,000,000 loan comes due!

bobshumway92

Who was involved in this loan?

bobshumway92

"Negativity" another keyword.

Vote Informed

These aren't keywords. Please stop twisting the levy supporter's words. Even though you are stuck on the smaller issues, there is a big picture here. Tell the levy supporters exactly what you need to know and we will try to help you understand the situation. You can also directly contact the board at http://perkins.k12.oh.us/Levy.aspx.

citizen

You are lying again, VoteInformed. At the very least, misrepresenting the truth.

This is a building levy. Operations money is needed because Gunner and Board determined new buildings were more important than education of district's students.

Strong Schools ...

Gunner and the board keep the students best interest in mind when they make decisions. They have been open at board meetings with the public. From my understanding, the teachers union is willing to work with Gunner because of the good choices he has made for the district.

PyrkinsPyrate

Many people who do not understand basic accounting concepts are trying to explain open enrollment for the wizards on both sides. So as a teacher I will clearly explain how open enrollment does cost out at $9K per student yet does add to Perkins bottom line. It is all about fixed costs and fixed-variable costs. Imagine a class room with 21 students in it. Things such as the teacher's salary and pension, the share of having a 100k communications director or 3 million dollar stadium, all that is fixed, it isn't moving anywhere. Then you have some fixed variables, adding a few students will cost a bit more for heat, you will need more books and art supplies, but things like the custodian, the big screen TV, the basketball floor, all those expenses stay the same. Adding another student incrementally to the class of 21 may only cost a couple thousand dollars per year but they bring $5500 of State money with them. So if you divide the costs of the classroom, the original 21 kids with a cost of $195,000 the cost per student per year is some $9,285. So adding one unit of trash from across Perkins will run the total cost of operating the class from $195,000 to $197,000. Now $197,000 divided by 22 is $8,950. So yes, it costs out like it cost $9k to educate the open enrollment student but it just really only added the cost of a little heat, some TP, a bit of electricity and another frog to hack apart in the name of science. The question that the people who live in Perkins must ask themselves is whether or not it is worth the money to bring in these people from Sandusky who can't afford to live out there. The only people getting cheated are the Perkins kids who deserve to be there and by some random devil's arithmetic and the population pyramid should have been in a small class, and of course the teachers who imagined getting a small class of Perkins quality kids but end up getting 9 or 10 Sandusky kids to max out their class to the highest size. Ask any of these Gunnar loving teachers on here who think the guy is so great, ask them how they like getting maxed out with non-perkins kids. Ask any of them if their job is more satisfactory having their class packed full of open enrollees. I have been teaching since 1983 and every year in the teachers lounge we would chat/hope/predict about how many 3rd grade versus 4th grade classes there would be. If there were 55 to 62 kids coming up we would wonder if there would be two classes or three classes. We dreamed of having small classes, now the Perkins teachers can take it for granted they will have the maximum class size, made possible by the open enrollees from Sandusky. You can try to sugar coat it any way you want but every teacher knows I am telling the truth.

bobshumway92

Your union is selling you out.

nofufucat

whoops

nofufucat

Thank you for making it easier to understand what is REALLY going on in the school system. As one of the baby boomers whose classroom generally averaged anywhere from 40 to 50 students per classroom I feel your pain.....lol. My generation is the generation where we didn't have computers to spoonfeed us information, we had to actually go to a library to look up information and in the classroom consider ourselves lucky if we didn't have to share a textbook in the classrooms. Of course OUR generation is the one that dreamed the big dreams like man walking on the moon and having computers that could fit on a desk becoming reality. And all that was done, (can it be possibly true?) done without a computer. What I'm getting at is use some common sense that God gave us all and get back to the basics and forget the bells and whistles. We don't need more money for the schools just teachers that really care to know that they've guided children into the love of learning and using their own noggins to think a problem through.

Wald

Do you really think that they got a man to the moon "without a computer"?

Strong Schools ...

This levy will help keep awesome teachers and programs in place for our children!

VOTE YES IN AUGUST!

underthebridge

Thanks for your honesty and explanation PyrkinsPyrate.

Resident51

For those of you who say the new building is "on hold", can you explain to me why I saw Mr. Gunner with the architects today when I was at the high school?

Vote Informed

While this post may or may not be true, just because the building plans are on hold doesn't mean we can't plan ahead for when we become financially stable enough to build them. And before anyone twists my words, I will remind them that this levy is for school funds, not for the new building.

Resident51

Good answer Chris. Too bad we don't believe you.

Vote Informed

Thanks! Thats too bad though, because it's the truth. And I'd like to point out that my name isn't Chris.

DLK

Really tired of these reminders. We all know it's an operations levy. We also know it is to replace the operations money that was moved to permanent improvement so you can build your school.

Nice to know your "on hold" plans are not really on hold.

Vote Informed

The money shortage came from lack of state funding. If you have any further questions, I urge you to ask the board at http://perkins.k12.oh.us/Levy.aspx.

citizen

Incorrect and lying, again.

Decreased state funding is not a new concept that was recently sprung on the Board.

Moving millions of dollars from operations to permanent improvement for new buildings and facilities is why Perkins Schools is on the brink of financial disaster.

Strong Schools ...

Wrong again!

The state has cut over 2 million from the district's budget and there could be more cuts coming. The state has to have the numbers completed by July 1. We would still be on the ballot even if we moved the inside millage back because of the state funding.

This is not a building levy...it is a levy to operationally run the district day-to-day!

Vote Yes!

citizen

That is a lie.

I will assume you are correct in stating that Ohio has cut funding by $2 million annually. Perkins Schools has annual revenue of appx. $26.5 million. Reducing that by $2 million is about an 8% revenue decrease.

These state cuts have been anticipated for some time.

Something is wrong with your leadership if a somewhat expected, planned 8% decrease in revenue is causing your organization to be on the brink of financial disaster and having to "dismantle" itself or no longer be in existence as Supt. Gunner has claimed and threatened many, many times. (on video here on the Register website).

Again, Strong Schools, the 8% cut in state funding is NOT what is causing this alleged fiscal emergency. It is Gunner moving millions and millions of dollars from operating funds to permanent improvement/building funds that is causing this alleged emergency. It is a lack of fiscal discipline such as paying over $1.1M annually so each student can have their very own Apple laptop or paying an unneeded, ineffective communications director $100k+ per year that is causing this alleged fiscal emergency. It is taking out a $3,000,000 loan to design and plan new buildings that voters have overwhelmingly rejected that is causing this alleged fiscal emergency.

Wald

"financially stable enough to build them". Like when the levy passes. You said it.

PyrkinsPyrate

Bob, I have only had non-stop problems with the union dating back to 1987. There was this other teacher in my building who knew very clearly when she was supposed to bring her class down for lunch but always came early or stayed late and really cut into my classes lunch time. I called her some names and she called me some names and said some pretty hurtful things about my mother who has just had a double mascectomy. As she probably had a good 80 pounds on me I thought it was ok to take off my shoe to hit her. I beat her up pretty good and we fought again in the parking lot after school and she even tried to hit me with a beer bottle. The union took her side because I kicked her behind so bad. They were not objective.

Resident51

This is getting good. I'm getting popcorn.

Nemesis

Wow! and people are supposed to vote more money to pay such people? I know hundreds of 17 year olds who got through high school without falling off the evolution ladder like that.

Strong Schools ...

WHAT???

The New World Czar

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Personal attacks (including: name calling, presumption of guilt or guilt by association, insensitivity, or picking fights).

eriemom

Would you prefer liar, dumb, or self-serving? How would you describe somebody who manipulates data to describe something, such as open enrollment, in a way that is not true.
(Edit 6:32. Now this makes absolutely no sense because the above comment was removed.)

Now the teacher's discussion about open enrollment is valid. His/her observations are likely true. I guess I will need to take that into consideration--money and higher taxes v. smaller classroom size.

Rosa

The people who want the levy and believe in it can pay the extra for this new school. Now, there you go!!!

Centauri

http://www.perkinsschools.org/Do...

PERKINS LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT
ERIE COUNTY, OHIO

BASIC FINANCIAL STATEMENTS
(AUDITED)

FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDED
JUNE 30, 2012

eriemom

Thank you Centauri. I have not finished digesting the financial statement that you linked.

Here is one fact that stands out:
fiscal year 2012, the permanent improvement fund’s fund balance decreased $1,233,055 from a balance of $268,479 to a
deficit of $964,576.
This deficit results from accrued liabilities related to contracts for the District’s stadium construction project.

There was no money to move from the improvement fund to the operations fund.

EZOB

The best thing that could possibly happen is for Perkins Schools close. This whole township has become one big mess with the Board (past and present) Sherrie and now Gunner. This whole group belongs in Washington D.C. They do not understand basic math. If it's so important to you just pay double and leave the rest of us alone.

oldpirate

Wow Pyrate you sound like a class citizen. Bobby are you locked in a closet somewhere. You tell the same old misguided story over and over and over and ..................................

Centauri

As a result of construction in progress related to the District’s stadium construction project at June 30,
2012, the District had the following outstanding contractual commitments at fiscal year-end:

See page 51 for financial numbers.
http://www.perkinsschools.org/Do...

eriemom

You caught that too. See below comment to understand public feeling.

I need to keep reading. Are you finished yet. I looks like you got a head start. What else have you learned?

Edit: This related to stadium construction.
NOTE 19 - CONTRACTUAL COMMITMENTS
As a result of construction in progress related to the District’s stadium construction project at June 30, 2012, the District had the following outstanding contractual.....
See page 54 of audit

Strong Schools ...

The stadium was a safety issue for many years. The track needed to be completely replaced. Our students could not use it for two years and had to practice at Margaretta and run all track meets away. The seating had safety concerns with the possibility of individuals falling through, especially children. In fact, we had three individuals fall through in one year. Fortunately, no one was injured seriously in these accidents. The boards needed frequent replacement and some had broken under foot of spectators. The stadium renovation project was a joint venture between the BOE and a renovation committee formed by the athletic boosters. The renovation committee worked very hard to secure over $1.7 million in donations and in-kind work to add to the rebuilding of the field, the track, and the stadium.

Wald

Should've used the community donations for necessary repairs and saved the $1.7 million for school operations. Oops...Gunner wanted a new stadium and stole $1.7 million from the taxpayers to build it. Just like he wants to use this levy to replace the money he stole to build a new school.

YepThatsMe

"Move inside millage back, problem solved". A fine exemple of key words being thrown around by no voters. Read up on it....

eriemom

@yepthatsme: Read the financial report audit that centuari linked. There was no money in the improvement fund as of June 30, 2012 according to the Julian & Grube, Inc. report.

How bout that

The first thing that I'd like to say is what difficult choices we face in funding our schools. The state of Ohio has abdicated its responsibility to fund our schools in a fair and equitable way. Gov. Kasich and the rest of the clowns in Columbus have made it more so. With that said the moving of monies from operating fund to a permanent improvement fund so soon after a building levy was defeated just doesn't look good. It makes you question their motives. Yes, I know that the Board would still need additional funds to operate the schools if that money had not been moved, but that move did nothing to enhance the Board's credibility. How many jobs would have been eliminated? How many programs would've had to be cut? How much would be required in fees if that money had been left where it was originally? Dr. Gunner and the Board made the decision to use the faculty,staff,and students as pawns in this situation .

fifteenthgreen

APPLE COMPUTER LEASE - STUDENT LAPTOP PROGRAM

C. Capital Lease Obligation - Apple Equipment: During fiscal years 2009, 2011 and 2012, the District entered into capitalized leases for computers and equipment. All leases meet the criteria of a capital
lease as defined by FASB Statement No. 13, “Accounting for Leases” which defines a capital lease generally as one which transfers benefits and risks of ownership to the lessee. Capital lease payments have been reclassified and are reflected as debt service expenditures in the basic financial statements. These expenditures are reflected as program/function expenditures on a budgetary basis.

A total of $4,117,154 of computer equipment has been acquired under the capital leases. Of this total, $3,746,273 has not been capitalized as the computer equipment does not meet the District’s capitalization threshold. The remaining computer equipment, $370,881, has been capitalized as a capital asset equal to the present value of the future minimum lease payments at the time of acquisition. Accumulated depreciation on the capitalized computer equipment as of June 30, 2012, was $28,435, leaving a current book value of $342,446.
Principal payments in the 2012 fiscal year totaled $1,185,745. This amount is reported as debt service payments in the debt service fund (a non major governmental fund). The following is a schedule of future minimum lease payments required under the capital leases and
the present value of the minimum lease payments as of June 30, 2012:

Fiscal Year Ending June 30, Amount
2013 $ 597,344
2014 $ 597,345
Total minimum lease payments 1,194,689
Less: amount representing interest (29,012)
Present value of minimum lease payments $ 1,165,677

Strong Schools ...

Perkins is a school district that is above the rest when it comes to technology. They are preparing our children for 21st century jobs. Children do not learn from chalkboards anymore. It is time to look to the future and think long term. I am proud of the opportunities my children get due to the technology program.

You are going to get what you pay for! Do you want a strong community or a weak one?

VOTE YES IN AUGUST!

fifteenthgreen

Below the rest when is it comes to Rating and Value. B Rating and Value: Below. It's a shame that the district has gotten to this point. I can remember Academic Challenge and how it was always Perkins vs. Edison. Now, we just plain suck!

fifteenthgreen

INTERFUND TRANSACTION

B. Interfund transfers for the year ended June 30, 2012, consisted of the following, as reported on the fund
financial statements:
Amount
Transfers from the general fund to:
Nonmajor governmental funds $ 3,014

Transfers from the permanent improvement fund to:
Nonmajor governmental funds 1,426,308

Total $ 1,429,322

NOTE 5 - INTERFUND TRANSACTIONS - (Continued)
The transfer from the permanent improvement fund to the debt service fund (a nonmajor governmental fund) is to fund the principal and interest payments on the House Bill 264 obligation and the capital
lease.

Transfers are used to (1) move revenues from the fund that statute or budget requires to collect them to the fund that statute or budget requires to expend them, (2) use unrestricted revenues collected in the general fund to finance various programs accounted for in other funds in accordance with budgetary authorizations and (3) restrict revenues for debt service through transfers from the funds collecting the
receipts to the debt service fund (a nonmajor governmental fund) as debt service payments become due.

fifteenthgreen

B. Deficit Fund Balances
Fund balances at June 30, 2012 included the following individual fund deficits:
Major fund Deficit
Permanent improvement $ 964,576

PyrkinsPyrate

I wanted to comment on one other thing. A few of the brainwashed mouthpieces of Ole Gunny keep on claiming that there has been no funding increases since 1845 and Perkins residents pay the lowest taxes of anyone in the world but Senegal. And it is just over and over and over, maybe they will run back to Ole Gunny and show him that they completed their assignment and posted the same disinformation their assigned number of times and he will give them a star sticker that he bought at the Toledo Teacher supply store, not the local one. But so what if the Perkin's mills are low. It's all quite relative to what the valuation of the homes are and how stringent they are on assessing your taxes. But low taxes is just part of the scene we have go on in Perkins. It is a trade off. Ruta and Hoty pay for our schools and we go along with living in congestion. Do you know how many times I was late to class this May and June with all the Tourarists using my Burger King where I get my Coffee? The point is, is that it is all part of the dynamic and where we live and what we endure. I have a 7 year old step grandson. Do you think I like having 250 look like the min bus terminal in Rome with all the Eastern European girls in their hotpants? It is a trade off. It is our grand bargain and part of living in this area. And until now Perkins good a mediocre education for dirt cheap until Ole Gunny come along with his grandoise Vacationland Vocationland Versaille that he wants to build after the voters twice told him that we did not want to be on the hook for it.

Bherrle

Burger King Coffee? Blah! Mickey D's coffee is barely drinkable. Just give me some basic Folgers or Maxwell House from home.

Sorry - just felt the need for a little coffee humor.

Strong Schools ...

WHAT???

fifteenthgreen

Agree, Bherrle. It's all getting old as I'm pretty confident everyone on here cares. Just wish we were all "fighting" on the same side for an administration and policy that we all believe in and trust. Wishful thinking, huh? Appreciate your hard work, though regardless of what you may think. It's all about the information and you've done a good job getting your message and the facts across. I think if we could all go back in time, many things would have been said and done differently by all parties. Until then, I guess we just carry on....or go back to our lives!!!!

Bherrle

I agree, it would be nice if the community weren't so divided, hopefully that can be acheived again some day.

Bherrle

Citizen,

DLK ticked me off earlier today, and now I see that you posted the same insenstive comments on Tuesday regarding absentee voting, directed at our college students, to one of our current college students, when you posted:

"What is dishonest or wrong about returning the favor for those currently going through the system? Well, you do not live, work, or pay taxes in Perkins Township."

So, Citizen and DLK (because you have never repsonded to me), our college students don't live, work, or pay taxes in Perkins Township? None of them come home during semester breaks? None of them come for summer break? None of work during summer break? Although they have a constitutionally protected right to vote, you say it is unethical for them to vote? You feel they shouldn't have the right to vote because they are away at college educating themselves, bettering themselves?

You must also feel it is unethical for our servicemen and women serving outside the country to vote absentee?

Sorry guys, you are way off base on this one, and I hope that every one of our college students gets to read this.

Resident51

Wow, getting ticked off now? Maybe someone drank too much Maxwell House coffee.

I think you are misunderstanding what Citizen and DLK are saying. You're trying every dirty avenue to get a yes vote, clearly going after the voting population that doesn't have a vested interest in property taxes going up since it won't affect them.

Are you (the levy committee) not hosting a breakfast for the residents at the OVH just to get their yes votes?

bobshumway92

Pancakes and Old Milwaukee. I'm in.

Wald

Is the levy committee really hosting a breakfast at OVH to get yes votes? If so, that's a new low.

fifteenthgreen

In the past, they would bus them to the polls.

Bherrle

And there it is. No, I clearly understand. You feel that only tax paying property owners should vote. So, it's only those who can afford to own property that get to vote now? You want to discriminate against anyone who doesn't own property, not just college students. No better.

How do you know that it won't affect them? It's a 10 year levy. Any chance that in ten years they just might buy property in the district? Or rent an apartment or home, and pay those taxes in the rent they pay the landlord?

You think it is dirty, that's your opinion, and I disagree. Notice, I am defending their right vote. I would encourage all college students to vote, but to vote informed. Don't vote yes, or no, because that's what a parent or someone else wants you to do. But in the end, they have the right to vote. And so does anyone else who doesn't "own" property.

I don't have knowledge of the OVH breakfast, but if there is one, I would defend it's intent as being to inform those residents, not buy thier vote.

Lastly - I drink Folgers.

citizen

Oh boy.

If my original statement implied that it was unethical to vote where your permanent residence is, then I apologize. That was not my intent.

I believe it is a "cheap tactic" by Gunner and Board to rally up all of the college students and recent college grads who do not live, work or pay taxes in Perkins Township to vote "Yes" for this levy, simply because their "permanent residence is here."

I do not know the residency requirements to vote, but I do know that you can also register to vote where you attend college. I know many liberal groups tried to use this tactic during the 2008 election to get students whose permanent residence was in KY, IN, TN or other predictably red states to register in OH.

My comment was more directed at the individual and the way his thinking came across to me. He said something such as the least I can do is vote yes... as if the only consequence is which button you press in the ballot booth and somehow, somebody else will pay all these increased taxes. Well, actually, for him that is the case. My response was the least he could do, if he really felt that passionately about it, was making a financial contribution to his alma mater that is ALLEGEDLY on the verge of financial breakdown.

Bherrle

I understand your point there Citizen. I am not in favor of anyone voting simply because someone else tells them to vote, yes, or no, or without understanding the consequences, without being informed. We took that persons statement different ways.

I agree, I do not like the tactics liberals employ to get people to vote in general, but at the end of day, I will defend a persons right to vote. I feel they are doing the public and themselves a disservice if they vote uninformed though, we agree there.

eriemom

Why would a liberal want a student to vote from a "red state" in Ohio? Wouldn't that student generally vote the same in Ohio as they would when at home in a national election?

EZOB

We have all seen the extent people will go to achieve a yes vote nationally, in Ohio, and locally. One of the lowest in my opinion has all been "It's for the Children". My slogan lately is "It's all about the Taxpayers". Please quit begging like a dog for a treat. No is No today, No next week, and No next year. The more times I have to vote No the madder I have become. My No vote is only good for three months and a Yes vote can be good for years. DISCRIMINATION at the highest level and we just lay back and take let it continue.

Strong Schools ...

This levy for the children and we are proud to stand up for our children. We want the best education for them. This levy will will give the district money for day-to-day operations and keep our current programs in place. We do not want our children to lose their specials, sports, arts, etc. All of these programs provide opportunities, both academically and financially. We have only passed one levy in the past 18 years for new money. The last levy that was passed was 13 years ago. We have to step up and take care of education.

Vote Yes...for the children!

Finn Finn

Yawnnnnnnnnnnnn . . . -,-

Vote Informed

We are proud to be YES voters for the students!

Finn Finn

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True Blue

The "YES" committee is trying everything to get votes. On Aug. 6th they'll be at all the precincts checking to see who didn't vote. They harass the ones who haven't voted to get them to the polls. Maybe the "NO" voters should do the same thing. This is legal to do. In the past the slogan was "pass the levy for the kids' education." Now it's pass the levy so I don't have to pay for my kids sports. Anyone with any brains knows a new building will not give a child a better education either. Another thing, Perkins is the only levy in August. This will cost them $12,000.00 or more. I guess it is well worth it if the levy passes and we all can pay for their kids' sports. Has Mr. Gunner taken any cuts in his pay or benefits? Probably not. Cuts are only for the teachers and the kids.

Strong Schools ...

All administration has made changes to help the financial situation. The saved the district $126,000 in insurance and their salary concessions have totaled over $75,000.

This is not a building levy. This levy is to cover the day-to-day operations of the district. But, research does show that students who are exposed to the latest technology and classrooms that will support the 21st century skills, perform better in the classroom and are better prepared for the real world upon graduation.

Vote Yes and Support the Students!

fifteenthgreen

http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/...

Perkins is the only school in the area with a Value rating of: Below Every other school Met this criteria.

Perkins State Rank: 391 Huron: 124 Edison: 247

District OH Rank Rating 11-12 10-11 Per.Ind Value Low Inc.
Edison Local Erie 247 A A 100.8 Met 33%
Huron City Erie 124 A A 103.7 Met 30%
Margaretta Erie 412 B A 97.6 Met 37%
Perkins Local Erie 391 B B 98 Below 33%
Vermilion Local Erie 371 A B 98.4 Met 41%
Port Clinton Ottawa 430 B B 97.2 Met 47%
Put-In-Bay Ottawa 21 A A 108.7 Met n/a
Danbury Local Ottawa 241 A A 101 Met 45%
Oak Harbor Ottawa 240 A+ A 101 Above 34%
Norwalk City Huron 332 B A 99.3 Met 49%
Sandusky City Erie 585 C C 86.5 Met 78%

citizen

"This is not a building levy."

That is false. Misleading at best, lying at worst.

fifteenthgreen

So all of the other schools in the surrounding area, rated higher than us in the state by the way, are providing an education that won't prepare their students for the future? They're in older facilities than us, as well. We get a B rating. Why? Makes me sick.

Strong Schools ...

You need to get over this "B" rating. We are not the only district who was rated effective. There are other schools within the tri-county area that were rated effective or lower. Go to the ODE website and check out the results. You need to take some responsibility and research it yourself.

http://education.ohio.gov/Topics...

There are many indicators that go into rating a school district (some of which are not academic). Do not judge until you do the research and and figure out the facts. You blog on pure emotion but do not try to educate the public!

Finn Finn

Yawnnnnnnnnnnnn . . . -,-

PyrkinsPyrate

Strong Schools seems like he wants more and more of our money but wants us to lower our standards while raising our taxes. Strong Schools needs to mention-just once- that while the levy is called an operational levy it is for operational money since after the voters rejected a building levy twice the board took a similar amount of money out of operations to put towards a new building. That is a simple fact. If the politicos had not taken the money out of operations to build a new building we would not be broke now.

Strong Schools ...

Even if they moved the inside millage back we would still be on the ballot due to state budget cuts.

This district believes in the students and gives them the best education possible. I know the teachers strive and work very hard for their students. We have had amazing experiences with the teachers of this district. They do assess the performance of their students and work to make the curriculum better.

Perkins has been rated either Effective or Excellent by the State Report card over the past five years. Most districts in Erie County have been rated in one of the two same categories for the same time period. Typically, Huron is rated as the highest performing district in Erie County with Sandusky rated as the lowest. Perkins ratings on the local report card place the district in the upper third of districts in the State of Ohio. Besides the state report card, there are many of pieces of data that illustrate Perkins has a strong educational system. For example, the number of Perkins graduates who go on to college and complete degrees, our students ACT average test scores, scholarship money received, etc…

Vote YES!

Finn Finn

Yawnnnnnnnnnnnn . . . -,-

MrGadfly

Good morning everyone. Had a little discussion last night with my friends (includes Donut). We try to analysis what is being said by the school board and superintendent and what they really mean.

We have sent two questions through the school website for answers from the school board and superintendent. At this time, we have received no replies. So is this website a real open discussion about issues with this levy or is it just a propaganda piece. When you control what questions are ask and what answers are given it's pretty obvious.

These questions were presented to the superintendent and school board.

Will the building be started before the vote on the school board or will it be postponed until after the election?

Why are you promoting the vote by recent graduates but your millage switch eliminates the public vote on school buildings?

The answers to these questions will offer great insight into the agenda of those in charge.

citizen

I have asked a number of questions on that site as well.... No answer.

Bherrle

I am a levy supporter and have about six questions unanswered, so it is not just you guys.

donutshopguy

So Bherrle with your answer we now know this is really just a propaganda piece. Don't have to send anymore inquiries there.

Bherrle

I did not intend my statement to be a negative. I understand that they are probably being inundated with questions, and I'm sure they will get to all questions in due time.

underthebridge

I think that they are also trying to direct/control the course of the dialogue. That is not meant to be a negative statement either.

Centauri

PUBLIC INFORMATION

http://erie.iviewtaxmaps.com/Dat...
$154,550 2006 valuation
$154,330 2008
$138,140 2013

http://erie.iviewtaxmaps.com/Dat...
$77,010 2003 valuation
$83,990 2006
$71,590 2013

citizen

Gunner's supporters keep repeating that this alleged fiscal emergency is caused by a decrease in state funding. I will assume that the number of $2 million they keep repeating is accurate. If that is the case, Perkins Schools has annual revenue of appx. $26.5 million. Reducing that by $2 million is about an 8% revenue decrease.

These state cuts have been anticipated by everyone around the state for some time.

Something is wrong with your leadership if a somewhat expected, planned 8% decrease in revenue is causing your organization to be on the brink of financial disaster and having to "dismantle" itself or no longer be in existence as Supt. Gunner has claimed and threatened many, many times. (on video here on the Register website).

Again, Strong Schools, the 8% cut in state funding is NOT what is causing this alleged fiscal emergency. It is Gunner moving millions and millions of dollars from operating funds to permanent improvement/building funds that is causing this alleged emergency. It is a lack of fiscal discipline such as paying over $1.1M annually so each student can have their very own Apple laptop or paying an unneeded, ineffective communications director $100k+ per year that is causing this alleged fiscal emergency. It is taking out a $3,000,000 loan to design and plan new buildings that voters have overwhelmingly rejected that is causing this alleged fiscal emergency.

Bherrle

Citizen,

It is not accurate to state that Perkins spends $1.1M annually on the laptop program. The district spends approx $250,000 annually, approx 1/4 of what many have been stating. Below are the facts:

The district’s most recent 3-year lease for laptops cost $1.5 million dollars in total, approximately $900 per laptop or $300 per laptop for each year. Perkins received almost $350 per laptop for our trade in of previous laptops, or about one-third the original purchase price. Thus, the net cost was less than $1 million for the three-year lease. Perkins typically keeps the laptops for four years before trading them in on updated models. Perkins actual annual cost over the four-year period is somewhere around $250,000 when trade-in value and the four year period is considered. Prior to the laptop program the district was spending approximately $250,000 a year on technology hardware without an effective plan or direction for these purchases. By initiating the laptop program, Perkins did not significantly increase it's annual technology hardware expenditures, but focused them on a comprehensive plan for integration of the technology into all students and staffs’ hands to increase educational effectiveness. In the initial year of the laptop program, 2009, the district did also receive some grant money to support the initial purchase, which is not factored into the above. Since that time, the program has been completely funded by the district. The laptop lease/purchase is expended from the permanent improvement fund, not general operating revenues.

RMyer

Also Citizen, I am not trying to pile on, but your previous revenue figure for the district appears to be incorrect. It looks to me like you picked up the total expense figure. The forecast page I have shows the projected fiscal year 2013 revenue number is actually $22.9 million (projected to fall to $20.8 million in fiscal year 2014). You mentioned the state reductions to districts. Remember that districts have also lost most of the Tangible Personal Property Taxes (on commercial inventory) that used to be paid by businesses and lost any short term federal stimulus dollars that were sent a couple of years ago, plus the loss in property taxes due to property reevaluations. Districts did see the state cuts coming a few years ago after the gov. announced his first budget, and many around the state warned that the reductions were going to cause districts to make cuts and go back to taxpayers to make up for the losses. That's what has happened all around the state; our situation is not unique.

citizen

Wrong. FY 2012 revenue was appx. $26.5 million. It is on page 6 of their audited financial statements.

Gunner supporters keep stating that Perkins is losing $2 million in state funding and that is the cause of the alleged financial emergency.

I take these "informed" supporters at their word that $2 million is the decrease in state funding which equates to a 8% decrease in revenue.

RMyer

I will look into that number a little deeper, but the actual fiscal year 2012 number I have is $21.7 million. The previous number I posted was for projected fiscal year 2013.

citizen

I am not sure what you are looking at because if the $21.7M figure were accurate, revenue would actually be increasing for FY13.

FY12 revenue was appx. $26.5M. Projected FY13 revenue is $22.9M. That is appx. a 15.7% decrease, or $3.6M. Gunner supporters have stated there is a $2M reduction from state of Ohio, therefore a $1.6M reduction due to Gunner and board determining new buildings and facilities were more important than operating the district and educating students.

citizen

That is incorrect. Please look at the audited financial statements regarding capitalized leases. Perkins Schools (taxpayer) have a cash expense of appx. $1.1 million annually for the lease of personalized Apple laptops for each student.

If I take you at your word, Perkins spent appx $250,000 annually on hardware prior to the laptops. Do they not have any hardware any longer because of personal laptops for each student in 6-12?

No, that is again deceiving. They will have the same costs for K-5 and any other office or lab hardware (not sure if there are any computer labs for 6-12 or if everything is done through each student's laptop). So out of the $250k they spent in technology hardware costs for K-12, they are still spending it for K-5. So go ahead and subtract $150k (approximately) from the $1.1M and you still have a net $950k-1M net annual cash spend on behalf of the taxpayers for personal Apple laptops for the students.

Bherrle

I will verify the numbers the numbers I have and get back to you.

Centauri

http://erie.iviewtaxmaps.com/Dat...
Matt Kosior

No property record found under that name
Brian Printy

No property record found under that name
Brad Mitchel

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Andy Carroll

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Terry Chapman

James Gunner property information.
http://maps.co.lucas.oh.us/areis...
CLICK on "Advanced Search"

Type in Gunner, James

In upper left of the screen, you will see 3 tabs. Click on DATA

You should be able to see Parcel 44-92628

To the left of the screen, you will see a list of about 20 options for the information that you want to look at. Top one shows "Summary" and bottom shows "Sales"

Click on "Values" for example to see current and past valuations.

The Lucas County (Ohio) Auditor makes you jump through hoops to get public information.

Pirate Mom

Financially, many people in this area are living above their means. When the recession hit, some people went down to a fair wage, not an inflated one. Their homes went down to real value, not the pre-recession inflated value. Anger set in. Some found that they couldn't afford to live the way they had been living but chose to change nothing. They became angry and jealous of anyone who was earning more in their paychecks. Their anger turned toward our teachers..."they make too much money, they don't work a whole year, they don't pay for insurance, they need to take pay cuts like the rest of us, their job is easy, they should work in the REAL world" and on and on and on. I couldn't believe that even some of my intelligent "friends" were trashing teachers. Some STILL are living their pre-recession spending lives but can't make their finances work. This being the reason some people are angry with the board members and Gunner is just as unreasonable. I don't begrudge them their education, paychecks, or addresses. This should not be the foundation of people wanting to vote yes or no. Get back to the reasons the levy is needed.

Vote Informed

Make an educated vote on August 6th! Read the Q & A or even ask the board a question at http://perkins.k12.oh.us/Levy.aspx. In the past 18 years, we've past one levy. It's time for a change! We are the lowest tax rate for schools in erie county, and when this levy passes, a house valued at $150k will only pay an extra $25.76/mo. VOTE YES!

underthebridge

You do your side no favors when you say that the community has passed one levy. Furthermore, I've even been at meetings in which Gunner says this community does not financially support its schools. We have passed levies. We pass renewals. We financially support our schools with our property taxes and with the renewals. I do support students, teachers, and education in general. It isn't that I am uninformed. It isn't that I don't do my own research. I disagree with the funding structure (moving mills around) that in addition to the cuts from Kasich has created some of this mess.

Vote Informed

Thank you very much for attending the board meeting! We haven't had any additional funds from the community in the form of property taxes since 2000. Although we are grateful for the money we do get, we cannot maintain the same quality of education without this levy. The longer we wait to pass a school funds levy, the more it will cost homeowners and more teaching positions will be lost. Perkins receives $500,000 less state aid than it did in 2002. We need to pass a levy school funds levy. We will eventually, but how long will we wait and how much will it cost homeowners and how many teaching positions will we loose by then? These are the questions for the community and voters to answer. VOTE YES! http://perkins.k12.oh.us/Levy.aspx

citizen

"Perkins receives $500,000 less state aid than it did in 2002."

WHAT? You are stating in other posts state funding will drop $2,000,000 this year alone!

And now it's dropped only $500,000 in a decade?

And you say that no voters are misinformed? Gunner and supporters are just throwing everything at the wall and hoping something sticks.

RMyer

As promised earlier, I know why our revenue numbers are not the same. First, the revenue number you are using includes the property tax amount that flows into the permanent improvement fund and includes revenue from sources that are "program specific" (i.e. grant money rec'd must be used to a specific purpose and cannot be used for general operations);these revenue funds are listed as "Other Governmental Funds". I can provide a list of what accounts those include if you are interested. These revenues are not included when discussing general operations and are not part of the district five year forecasts.

The revenue amount that should be used for purposes of this levy discussion is the general operating revenues (total revenues less the permanent improvement and other gov't funds amounts). When calculating the percentage drop in state aid and the loss of the tangible personal property tax amounts, you must use the revenue figure from the general operating funds because that is where the loss in state money is occurring. For fiscal year 2012, that revenue number was $21,000,000 +/-. The following paragraph addresses that in the audited report you cited. Pg. 17 in the report shows the breakdown for each revenue source.

General Fund Budgeting Highlights
The District’s budget is prepared according to Ohio law and is based on accounting for certain transactions on a basis of cash receipts, disbursements and encumbrances. The most significant budgeted fund is the general fund. During the course of fiscal year 2012, the District amended its general fund budget several times. For the general fund, original budgeted revenues and other financing sources were $22,490,559, while final budgeted revenues andother financing sources were $21,000,223. Actual revenues and other financing sources for fiscal year 2012 were $21,520,194

If you would like more info, please contact the district treasurer's office.

citizen

And projected revenues, according to you, for FY13 are $22.9M. FY12 was $21.5M.

So revenues are actually INCREASING by $1.4M???

And Gunner is saying Perkins Schools are on the brink of financial collapse?

RMyer

You are wearing me out! The FY 2013 number is a projected number (FY 2012 is the actual). We already know that the 2013 projected number is too high because of a drop of about $400,000 due to a discrepancy in property tax figures from the auditor's office. There may be some other adjustments in there also due to state or other local property taxes. For example, there is a higher number than normal projected for Transfers In in FY2013 that is not projected to carry forward beyond FY2013. Revenues are projected to be $20+ million in FY 2014. Who knows what will happen with state funding. The new biennium budget hasn't been approved yet. That let's see where the actual number comes in at the end of June before getting too excited.

citizen

I'm still not understanding.

Revenues are projected to INCREASE by $1.4 million for FY13 and Perkins Schools are on the brink of financial disaster and about to, as Supt. Gunner says, "dismantle" themselves?

Again, something doesn't compute. Revenues are projected to be $1.4M higher (or $1M if you take into account revised property taxes). How in the world has Gunner managed to lead the district to the precicipe of financial ruin?

Finn Finn

Yes. And AGAIN, using "loose" instead of "lose". Good Grief!!

underthebridge

Let me correct you. I have attended multiple BOE meetingS!

Not everyone here who is dissatisfied with the leadership of Gunner and the current BOE is anti-student, anti-teacher, anti-education. Not everyone here who disagrees is just uninformed and giving a reflexive "no to any new taxes" response. To know that students may have to forgo effective and enjoyable programs and good teachers may experience a reduction of force because people couldn't say no to an athletic facility infuriates me. It should you infuriate you as well. Don't tell me not to punish the students and the teachers. Like many voters, I am in between a rock and a hard place. I have little confidence in the decision-making and priorities of this administration, but I love students and promote education.

When and if this levy passes, what are you going to do to address the misplaced priorities of this administration.

Vote Informed

I understand that there are residents of Perkins Township that are unhappy with the BOE. I am also irritated with how many students may not be able to participate in their day-to-day activities because Pay to Play will be so expensive. I've done the math and for my kids to do their activities, it would cost over $1,000. I cannot afford to pay that much, but I know my household could cut back somewhere and pay $25.76/mo. By voting yes, we can save hundreds of dollars and save 14 teaching positions. I understand that most of this issue is caused by lack of state funding. I ask that you think of the students during this election, and if you don't approve of the BOE's decisions, then its your job to vote them out.

underthebridge

How will you help with voting them out?

Vote Informed

People in your family and some of your friends and neighbors may be as upset with the board as you are. Please inform them that this levy is vital to the students and the programming of the district. When the board member's names are on the ballot in November, that's when people should take their frustration out, because that will directly affect the board. Voting no on this levy only punishes the students.

Strong Schools ...

It is great our community passes renewals! Inflation occurs and the district needs to be able to operate. This levy will provide us new operational money. The state has put a lot of school districts and colleges in this financial hardship. Now, more than ever, we need to help our students and ensure our schools can still operate and provide great programs.

RMyer

Each of us has to make our own decision about paying for our schools. There are a few things to keep in mind. There are no renewal levies for operations (unless I made at mistake at the Board of Elections while doing the research into our levy history). The only change to operating funds millage was the 2.9 mill additional levy passed in 2000. There have been four permanent improvement renewals at 2 mills and one replacement at 2.0 mills (in 2002) since 1993.

I hope you have made your dissatisfaction with the state funding of schools known to the elected officials in Columbus.

The past two operating levies (4.98 mills in 2010 and 5.5 mills in May) were on as emergency levies which expire after a period of time. The levy in August that will pass is for ten years.

As residents of Perkins Township, we pay approx. 14 mills below the state average for schools, and we are at the lowest millage amount of all area districts.

Strong Schools ...

Thank you for the information! RMeyer, you do a great job stating some very important facts. All the more reason to vote yes in August!

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