School board cuts $2 million from budget

Sports and extracurricular activities dominated discussions Wednesday evening as Perkins Schools leaders agreed to hike pay-to-participate fees and eliminate 15 staff members.
Alissa Widman Neese
Jun 13, 2013

The topic was fitting for the packed Perkins High School auditorium, where more than 200 people cheered on their side of a contentious levy debate with applause and praise.

Reductions approved Wednesday totaled about $2 million, a result of a failed May levy and state funding cuts, board members said.

Pay-to-participate fees for high school students increased to $730 per sport for the upcoming school year, up from $150 approved in April. Costs for dual enrollment classes, clubs and music activities also increased substantially for high school and middle school students.

“I don’t approve of this, and I don’t think you guys understand,” a mother shouted from the back of the crowded auditorium. “I want my son’s senior year to be a good one, not ‘mom and dad couldn’t pay for me to play my sports.’”

Board president Matt Koisor told parents no board members think the cuts are a good idea, however, they do recognize their necessity.

“Unfortunately we only have a certain amount of money to balance our budget,” Koisor said. “None of these cuts are cuts we want to make.”

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If township voters approve the district’s August levy, the reductions could be reversed and pay-to-participate fees will return to normal, superintendent Jim Gunner said. The district is proposing a 10-year, 6.73-mill levy, nearly 2 mills larger than its May proposal.

Before Wednesday’s cuts, Perkins Schools was projecting a $2.3 million deficit for the upcoming school year, with a budget of about $21 million, according to its most recent five-year financial forecast. It was set to spend all its reserve cash by 2015.

In early April, board members approved two rounds of permanent cuts totaling $12 million for the next four years. 

In addition to sports fees, several parents also voiced concerns Wednesday about cuts to music and art programming.

Conversation was calm, but tense, until parent Jason Dulaney commanded attention with an objective perspective. He criticized the board’s ineffective communication strategies, but also reprimanded voters for going to the polls without proper knowledge of the issues.

An angry “no” vote doesn’t punish board members or administrators — it only punishes students, said Dulaney, a levy supporter.

“I don’t want you to vote ‘yes’ and I don’t want you to vote ‘no,’” he said. “I just want you to vote informed.”

Levy committee members, many district parents, remained in the auditorium after the meeting to recruit supporters for their cause. They will kick off their campaign with a meeting 7 p.m. Monday in the Perkins High School cafeteria.

Township voters haven’t approved an emergency operating levy for the district since 2000.

Perkins Schools cuts approved

•Furry Elementary School: 3 teachers (art, music, physical education)
•Meadowlawn Intermediate School: 5 teachers (art, music, computer, gifted, physical education)
•Briar Middle School: 2 teachers (computer, music), 1 guidance counselor
•Perkins High School: 2 teachers (health, Chinese)
•District Office: 1 communications director, 1 EMIS secretary, full pay-to-participate fees

TOTAL SAVINGS: About $2 million for upcoming school year

Pay-to-participate fee amounts approved

•High school athletics: $730 per sport
•High school extracurricular clubs: $150 per club
•High school band or choir: $220 per music participation
•Middle school athletics: $185 per sport
•Middle school clubs: $150 per club
•High school dual enrollment classes: $300 per class per semester

Comments

CrissySnow

What a shame to see another neighboring school district in a mess. I was a "NO" voter and my vote lost on the last election. It's about the "children" isn't always what it seems. We had videos circulating that were only missing buzzing flies and extended abdomens on the children. Entitlement was the name of the game in my district, and educator's not being able to accept the fact that the constituents had suffered severe economic blows and had no more to give. I wish you luck, Perkins voters; the "Excellent" rating will not stop being thrown in your face.

To those that really and honestly want to be informed, there are some local retired School Board Super's that are alive and were in charge when certain districts names could not be compared to. Give them a call; or invite them to a school board meeting. The one I know personally voted "NO" on the levy in the district he formerly led repeatedly, due to the personal agenda's. It was not about "the children" and was more focused on salaries, benefits, and padding resumes. Keep in mind, adding "successfully led district to build new campus" is HUGE on a Super's resume. Good luck Perkon-ites!

eriemom

"The one I know personally voted "NO" on the levy in the district he formerly led repeatedly, due to the personal agenda's. It was not about "the children" and was more focused on salaries, benefits, and padding resumes."

@CrissySnow: Please explain this.

CrissySnow

Hi eriemom-

I'm not sure how in depth I want to go, but I can tell you this wise, well respected man did not feel that our repeated attempts at levies were about the children. He did not feel that the additional monies we were being asked for would help anything more than employees and their benefits. He understands the funding, and different accounts, and what can be used for what, and how legislation is invoked with regard to public education. He also has very strong opinions about "campuses" at this level and how that is actually a detriment to a student's learning and education as well as the impacts on staff.

I am by no means saying he is correct, but I found his wisdom, experience, knowledge, and arguments compelling, insightful, and informative. Other's may not. But the folks of Perkins may want to engage the local wisdom that is here. Our district did a crappy job of it because they did not want him speaking his mind.

I feel we need to get back to teaching kids in the classroom material that will help them become more "classroom" smart. But I also feel our children need to understand about reality. When an economy is in the crapper, you may not be given the same things you are used to receiving - things you just "expect" that I feel has led to a generation of entitled kids. It's a lesson my children are learning first hand. Want to go to Cedar Point? Mow some lawns - we don't have the extra cash to just hand you - like we used to.

Hope this helps, and again I wish the best to those in Perkins School District. It's wonderful to play you in sports and come to that fantastic stadium. But I don't think your kids are any more prepared for the real world because of it.

Much animosity and many tough decisions by each and every person affected will come to light and it is NO fun. Best of luck!

eriemom

Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to reply.

CrissySnow

eriemom-
You are welcome. We all want the best for our children, don't we? But deciding on "best" involves information, opinions and life experiences. It's not the same for everyone involved and may include some tension and fractured friendships, to say the least. I sincerely hope it all works out well for everyone.

Finn Finn

I say Thank You also CrissySnow. The most intelligent, well thought-out comment on this board. The paragraph beginning, "I feel we need to get back to teaching kids in the classroom" was particularly insightful and well worded.

God Of Thunder

I haven't read every comment on here.. Holy crap I can't believe how many comments.. So I don't know if anyone has brought this up, but how about the way the state handles school funding...

The supreme court ruled over a decade ago, I believe, that the way the state funded the schools was unconstitutional..

Kasich comes in and changes it, and it seems things are worse for everyone. What happened to the funding the Ohio Lottery was supposed to produce for the schools, which is why it was created.

http://www.ohiolottery.com/asset...

Here is a fiscal report from 2011 which shows how much was spent on sales and all the numbers. It seems to me they are spending a lot more than they should. Maybe they should trim some of their fat as well, and distribute some of that money to where it was supposed to go in the first place. Stop paying advertising. Everyone knows it's out there. Stop creating a new game every other day, and concentrate that money into winnings on other games.

Our elected officials are the ones that have no spine to actually make a move on these issues which is why I've said in the past to get the current ones out and get new blood in. Just like our school board in superintendent.

eriemom

I was having babies and voting in the 1980s. As a parent activist I was petitioning our state to improve our schools. What we wanted was construction/improvement dollars. We voted for the lottery to pay for what we wanted. Instead we got reports about how our schools were failing. We got Proficiency Tests to prove that the failure was the teachers fault.

The tax dollars that were previously sent to our schools was decreased and put in the general fund instead. The lottery money just filled in. There was no increase. Since then the lottery has become a huge bureaucratic good old boys club. Oh, and the school funds that were placed in the general fund was used for building projects. Many of the governors friends got rich on tax payers.

Eventually it paid for a tax cut. Ohio income tax decreased, but our local and licensing taxes made up for it.

Wald

Let me present the supporters this scenario: you give me money to go buy you groceries. Instead, I use that money to buy my kids steaks, because they need the best. I go back to you and say that if you still want your groceries, you're going to have to give me more money now. How do you respond?

eriemom

Wald: You bought the steaks 13 years ago. You could have brought home mac and cheese, but your kids would still have starved to death many years ago.

UgtaBkdnMe

haha...good one

Wald

Not really...

citizen

Eriemom- COME ON, please use some modicum of common sense.

Perkins Schools is NOT, again NOT, operating at the same revenue levels they were 13 years ago. To suggest that, is absurd at best, lying at worst.

The fact of the matter is Jim Gunner and School Board have chosen building new buildings and facilities (against multiple taxpayer votes) is more important than educating the kids, paying faculty, providing textbooks and technology, arts/athletics etc.

Jim Gunner decided that. NOT no votes. Jim Gunner decided a new high school building was more important than actually educating the students of the district.

Lastly, will you please answer how in the heck Perkins is on the brink of financial ruin (Gunner's quotes of "dismantling the district" or "not having a district anymore") but pays $2.5 million per year for each student to have their own Apple laptop, and takes out a loan for $3 million to design and plan a new high school. Your school is on the brink of financial ruin and that's how you are spending $5.5 million? Either you're LYING about the financial state of the school district or you are an unbelievably terrible leader.

Wald

Great post. The supporters don't want to hear it, though.

eriemom

Wait. Who said that I was a Supporter?

@citzen: You shifted to a different subject. I wrote about tax dollars going into the school and you shifted to spending.

I do not lie, and I certainly am not a follower. When was the last non-renewal levy on the ballot? Answer: 13 years ago. What we just renewed was originally our Permanent Improvement fund. Not enough in today's dollars.

guano

When is the earliest date we can legally begin to erect "VOTE NO" signs throughout the region! We must put a sign in every yard, field, store front, and on top of the Harley Dealership! We must end the tyranny of Gunner and his puppets on the board. When they are dispatched, there will be plenty of time to pass a responsible levy. This forum is being polluted by too many teachers, administrators and their relatives! VOTE NO!

eriemom

I don't think that there are any laws that control signs in your yard. Not unless you live in housing development with rules.

VOTENO

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WhyRweHere

That school board is an absolute joke..

eriemom

My personal opinion is that the men we voted for on the Board of Education are good people. This is not a personal attack. They just do not understand the people whom they serve. That can happen when there is no diversity. This is a symptom of what we see nation wide. When the only people who you associate with see life just as you do, group think becomes the norm.

I really hope that the decisions have been made to benefit, at least a majority of students, and not to benefit favorite programs or staff. I am worried because I am hearing and seeing the results of some decisions that do not benefit students.

Keep in mind that many school staff personnel live in the Perkins Township. Refusing to talk about a situation speaks volumes.

VOTENO

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VOTENO

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bobshumway92

Classic! Haha there are moles in their little pack of rah rah rah levy losers!

eriemom

Guys I know some teachers. There attitude is based on a catch 22. See novote's 8:00 post. He also wants the teachers to stand against the Board and Supt.

Ibelieve2

Or maybe there are people in the community who are researching and finding out information from places besides a blog and are forming their own opinions. It was nice to hear from people at last night's meeting that had concerns and questions. It seemed that although unhappy with some of the decisions that have been made, the community sees the importance of working together to support the students.

bobshumway92

Support the students? Hah good one! More of Gunners talking points Perkins2060 was talking about!

Ibelieve2

Not a talking point. It's just what I chose as my focus.

Centauri

Maybe the solution for more money for schools is to look at the Erie County (Ohio) property tax valuations. There are many very low valuations for property taxes.

http://erie.iviewtaxmaps.com/

Thomas Paine

Voteno and Guano, what are your reasons for voting no and what are your reccomendations for improving the direction of the school? Some constructive criticism would be helpful to the polluters of this blog. I am not a teacher, friend supporter or administrator so I too am curious what solutions you can bring to the table.

citizen

My reason for voting no is that Jim Gunner and Board decided it was more important to build a new high school than educate the students, pay teachers and staff, provided textbooks/technology and arts/athletics/music etc. Can you deny Jim Gunner and Board decided a new facility was more important than actually educating the students? Because Gunner moved operating funds (unethically, in my opinion, after multiple taxpayer votes rejecting new facilities) to new buildings funds.

That is why I am voting no. They do not need a new high school. They threaten and scare the public by stating the high school is unsafe and an immediate danger. However, we all know that is not true thanks to the building inspector's report. The high school is newer than many area high schools.

Further, I am voting no because Perkins Schools (taxpayers) pay $2,500,000 per year so each student can have his or her very own Apple laptop. I am voting no because Gunner and the Board took out a $3,000,000 loan to design and plan a new high school (that taxpayers rejected multiple times). I am voting no because Perkins Schools (taxpayers) pay over $100,000 per year for a communications director. A position that is absolutely not needed (as admitted by Gunner) and held by an individual who does a very below average job by threatening local taxpayers as his form of "communication."

My idea is to fire Gunner immediately. Immediately move operating funds back into operating funds. Immediately withdraw plans to build new high school facilities. Remove communications director and say $100,000 annually. Stop the student individual laptop program and save $2,500,000. Continue with some of the proposed cuts. The district operates at an unbelievably bloated level.

character counts

This post cracks me up. "Citizen" is riding on all of the shirt tails of NO voters. His/Her list gets longer the more that he reads and steals everyone else's opinion. The bottom line CITIZEN is that these are all just excuses. You would vote no to any levy that was put in front of you..today, tomorrow, 10 years ago. It wouldn't matter.

eriemom

I believe that their children attended school at SCC.

Dont Worry Be Happy

Doesn't mention that they cut the school resource officer.

Strong Schools ...

The school district can not afford the resource officers due to the levy failure. There is an agreement between the schools and the Townhip right now. The township will pay for the resource officers for one year. Perkins values their officers but they had to make cuts due to the state budget cuts.

citizen

The fact of the matter is Jim Gunner and School Board have chosen building new buildings and facilities (against multiple taxpayer votes) is more important than educating the kids, paying faculty, providing textbooks and technology, arts/athletics etc.

Jim Gunner decided that. NOT no votes. Jim Gunner decided a new high school building was more important than actually educating the students of the district.

Lastly, will you please answer how in the heck Perkins is on the brink of financial ruin (Gunner's quotes of "dismantling the district" or "not having a district anymore") but pays $2.5 million per year for each student to have their own Apple laptop, and takes out a loan for $3 million to design and plan a new high school. Your school is on the brink of financial ruin and that's how you are spending $5.5 million? Either you're LYING about the financial state of the school district or you are an unbelievably terrible leader.

Strong Schools ...

This levy is not about new buildings. This levy is about keeping the programs we have in place. Our students need arts, athletics, and academics to have a well rounded education. I don't want to see any of these programs get cut because I know children excel in some areas better than others. They need different avenues to express themselves and to be successful.

Wald

"This levy is not about new buildings". If you believe that, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Redskin backer

You can vote no to send a message to the superintendent, school board, etc. NONE of them will lose their jobs as a direct result of your public, nearsighted tantrum. Pay to Play hits the Perkins community where it hurts, namely athletics. Unfortunately, sports seems to be the only thing many community members respond to. Vote down the levy and watch who suffers...the students and teachers. If you Perkins residents cared about academics one half as much as you do sports, your schools would never be in this mess.

Ibelieve2

That is not a fair statement. Athletics did not put us in this situation.

Strong Schools ...

Thank you Redskin Backer. The only people suffereing are the students and the teachers. Then the community will sufffer because the their house values will go down. They want to put the blame on everyone else. We have not passed a levy for new money in 13 years and it is time we stand up and take responsibility. A lot of people in this communtiy can not think beyond themselves. They only live in the past and can't think beyond today. We have to start thinking providing a stable future for our students and community.

Redskin backer

You guys are making your district a laughingstock for the rest of the area. Stop embarrassing yourselves and pass a levy!

Strong Schools ...

I agree. Vote Yes!

Redskin backer

I believe 2, I never said it did. Your stubborn failure to support your schools did. Unfortunately, no one cares until athletics gets affected.

Ibelieve2

I hope when you said "your stubborn failure to support your schools" you meant the "no " voters and not me personally as I do support the schools and this levy.

Julie R.

Wow ..... $730 bucks for a kid to play high school sports? Perkins is out of control. So what if a family can't afford it? Do the other families have to pick up the slack? Is the school really going to let a good athlete go because his or her family can't afford it? I think I would tell Perkins to go to and enroll my kids elsewhere.

bobshumway92

That's what I'm doing. Pulling my 4 kids out immediately and ooen enrolling them in another district.

My thoughts

Which District? Any of your children in HS? If so, they sit out a year of sports.

fifteenthgreen

They don't sit out a year. This isn't college.

My thoughts

If you open enroll a child away from a HS they already attend to a different HS they cannot play sports at the new school for one year. That's the rule as I understand it and yes it isn't college.

Pirate Mom

Perkins will offer sports, so your children will sit out a year at the new school. Please see http://www.ohsaa.org/eligibility... under inter-district transfers, Bylaw 4-7-2, Exception 3. If Perkins discontinued sports, your children could play immediately.

Strong Schools ...

It is cheaper to pass this levy than to pay for the sports and the other extracurriculars.

$25 a month vs. $730 per sport

Step up Perkins and support our students.

fifteenthgreen

Why does everyone keep saying $25?

bobshumway92

Not cheaper in the long run. More of Gunners talking points. Put the cheat sheet you were handed down and think for yourself.

sandusky2012

hey Julie r maybe they can pay with their EBT card?

Edwin Ison

If the levy fails, the first thing Gunner and the board will do is roll back the athletic "pay to play".
It would be financial suicide to charge that much for sports and lose all that enrollment to other districts.

How did they come up with $730 per sport?

Will children on free or reduced lunches be required to "pay to play"?

eriemom

I'm not sure your right about rolling back the athletic pay to play. That might have been what the "heated discussions" were about. Maybe they needed to at least give the appearance that the cuts made would be shared by all.

Strong Schools ...

By law, the district can't force children to pay if they are on the FREE lunch program. This is the LAW!

Edwin Ison

Reference the law please.... there are schools who charge everyone.

UgtaBkdnMe

There is a law that addresses academic fees and not charging students who are receiving free lunch. The fee for the music programs, since they are actual classes, would be waived for these students. Not sure that the law extends to extra curricular programs.

Strong Schools ...

Then they are out of compliance...or they do not have students in the FREE lunch. This does not include FREE AND REDUCED. They are two different categories.

fifteenthgreen

If the levy fails they will be able to reverse course on a few positions.

UgtaBkdnMe

I agree that any district that charges this kind of money for pay to play is setting themselves up for losing students, thus funding. First, the district will lose the open enrollment kids from Sandusky. Gunner referred to them as the gravy train. Whether they go back to their home district or choose another one, the funding goes with them. Then you have the Perkins students who will go elsewhere. Let them lose 75 kids from grades 7-12 and see what that does to the budget.

Strong Schools ...

I know our district does not want to loose any child. When those students walk in our doors they are a Pirate! I know the district takes pride in ALL of their students and educates all of them with dignity. Open enrollment has given us over 2.5 million dollars and it has kept us off the ballot for the past five year.

The state has taken 2 million from Perkins and that number is only going to go up in time. We as a community need to step up and take responsibility.

My thoughts

I keep reading on here that the taxpayer should seperate the August levy vote from the November school board vote. Who will run (new blood) from the Perkins community? Anyone hear of any residents thinking of making a run? Any names? I suspect that all three will run unopposed.

Strong Schools ...

I have heard of two people who are very interested in running. It is not my place to post their names on this blog but please know people are intrested. I wish all of the negative bloggers would run...since they have all of the answers. Which are not factual! They just like to hear themselves talk but nothing of substance is coming out.

bobshumway92

The same can be said for you. Put down the cheat sheet with Gunners talking points and think for yourself. Also, try getting a job out in the real world instead of your little classroom.

character counts

Oh shumway...take the repeat button off for heaven's sakes!

bobshumway92

Take yours off. Ask Gunner for some new material.

Strong Schools ...

Good One Bob! I am proud of myself, my familry, and my fellow bloggers who have been trying to educate themselves and give the facts. Don't you get the school reports mailed to your house? Don't you attend the board meetings and retain the facts that are given to the community! You probably don't read much, Bobby!

Also, I know some teachers in our district and I am friends with a few of them. Your comments about the real world are ridiculous! Just remember, someone educated you (Lord help them) and someone educated your children! Do not cut down their profession. You are just mad because the yes voters are sick of all of you running your mouths with nothing to say! Get a life and step away from your computer and join the real world. Better yet, why don't you contribute someting other than your trash talk!

The Answer Person

All could be easily afforded if the money the parents spent on cigarettes was used to fund their children's ball chasing activities. Hope it passes because chasing a ball is something that those kids will be able to do for the rest of their lives!

Bherrle

I don't smoke, and neither does my wife.

Thomas Paine

Citizen- Nobody is going to argue that the move to operating to property improvement and inside to outside was a bad move other than maybe the board and Gunner. But the other parts of your reasons for no are not accurate- Someone correct me if I am wrong but the computer program was grant money and outside sources of funds? The whole building debacle is a PR nightmare and a colossal waste of funds. However there is some basis to fixing vs new that needs to be looked at with an open mind, not necessarily an open pocket book. As stated in previous comments the money cannot be moved back to operating and even if it were moved back the school had been running at a deficit for the past 6 years. Funding is down from a State and local level, I agree the board and supt need to go. They have been a failure, however, after attending the meeting and seeing figures and doing my own external research- this community has not passed a new millage increase or levy in 13 years...its time we show support of the school but not the board and supt...its two distinctly different votes. I really hope people realize being angry and voting against the school because of emotions is not correcting the problem or gaining anything. The same goes for the blind yes voters please don't blindly follow what the board and supt tell you either. There is nothing to gain from that approach. Citizen- maybe it makes you feel better with your no vote that you SHOWED the board you mean business. But I ask that you don't complain as the school gets taken over by the state and our taxes go up anyways. I am not looking forward to the same no voters complaining that nobody told them how bad it was...they have been telling us. I do blame the board for creating an extremely negative vibe about the direction of the school with several misteps and PR debacles- some of which I feel were good moves for the district but poorly explained to the public. People are angry, frustrated and tired of this administration not listening to them and not communicating things clearly. Maybe they feel they have but there is an obvious disconnect between the public and this administration. I get that. I am frustrated too! But at some point we need to fund the operation of the school whether we like the administration or not. In 13 years we have not shown that support. Not all these years were Gunner. What was the excuse with the previous Supt for not passing a Levy? The next step is getting the community together to find people to run for the School Board, we all know good candidates that are involved in the schools, maybe they never thought about running, get those people to run against the current board and put our voice back on the administration. Its our choice of who is up there and its our responsibility to elect qualified people. At some point there needs to be a stronger voice on the Board that understands the frustration our community instead of just saying they understand. They need to act on that understanding. I ask people not to vote Angry. Get facts, get details, ask questions. My decision changed after looking at the school numbers- they aren't bluffing this time about where we are. Unfortunately it is up to us to fix their mistakes- I don't like it anymore than anyone else on here does. I feel a no vote this time around and many in the community will regret what will come with that. Maybe I am wrong, but I am not willing to take that chance, especially when I have the power to elect others for the board in November and that's where I can say I think you have done a poor job and others can do it better.

Ibelieve2

I applaud anyone who takes the time to research and find answers for themselves and not just go by what they have heard.

bobshumway92

Gunners talking point.

Trump

RE your computer comment - the only grant funds were for training the teachers how to incorporate the laptops in to their classrooms. The leases are paid by the school - not via some outside funding.

Do I think it's a good program? Yes, I do. But, you don't cut teachers and charge "pay to play" fees so you can give every student in grades 6- thru 12 a laptop!

citizen

First of all, you are wrong on the Apple laptops.

Perkins had a grant for the training etc for the program. But Perkins Schools pays $2.5M per year so each student can have their very own Apple laptop.

Gunner not only thinks a new high school facility is more important than educating students, he now also thinks each student having their very own Apple laptop is more important than having teachers in the school! Take the $2,500,000 and assume it costs the district (taxpayers) $100,000 per year for a teacher (including benefits... and that is being generous)... I just saved the Perkins School district 25 teachers. Bottom line is Gunner could save 25 teaching positions by eliminating the $2.5M annual spend on laptops. He chose Apple laptops over teachers. Gunner's choice, not no voters.

And you keep bringing up "PR messes." If you think that's all this is... one big PR mess... we are never going to see eye to eye.

This is a case of inept leadership, weak decision making and a culture of threats and deceit towards the taxpayers.

And if Perkins Schools is such a PR disaster, why in the world are the taxpayers paying over $100k per year to have a communications director? A position that is not needed, as admitted by Gunner, held by an individual who according to you is inept at his job.

Why keep giving this Board and Gunner more money when it's clearly evidenced they are not fiscally responsible in the least ($2.5M annual expense for personal laptops; $3M loan to design a new high school when they are now lying to the community and saying that project is on hold; $100k/year for an ineffective and unneeded communications director; stealing millions of operating money from the students and teachers set to actually provide an education and arts/athletics etc to students and moving the money to build a new high school building after multiple no votes from taxpayers)

Truth or Fiction

RMyer's summary is mostly correct; however, he or she fails to take into account that millage is not a fair comparison for school funding. Perkins school district is fortunate as its population and commercial component provide higher income for lower millage increases. An example is the recent defeated 4.9 millage that would have provided $2.5 million of income to the district where Edison's 7.9 only produced $1.5 million of additional income to that district.

I have stated before that the movement of millage created confusion but the issue of State reductions in funding is not going away. The BOE is taking appropriate action for a situation that is not under their control. Our district needs to realize that to maintain the level of education we must be willing to support it through a tax increase.

Thomas Paine

Truth or Fiction. I am glad there are people taking the time to offer explanations correcting information or adding to it. This may be the first blog in a while where I actually have learned something and not felt like it was made up crazy talk. I hope this blog can dispel some (not all) of the negativity and conspiracy theories created by some usual suspects. Some of the well thought out negativity is deserved.

fifteenthgreen

Something is wrong with my edit button. Sorry folks.!

character counts

fifteenthgreen..I'm beginning to think that they only thing working on your computer is 'edit, cut, paste' I believe that is about the 4th time you have posted that very same post...Did someone tell me to say that in a script. Must have since I'm a levy supporter...lol

fifteenthgreen

I know. The cut and paste keeps getting stuck. Not sure what to do except destroy the computer but, unfortunately, I don't have a school district with an extra cool million laying around to buy me a new one.

character counts

I'm not complaining. I just sympathize for someone that functions on limited skills.

fifteenthgreen

Thanks for pointing that out.

Tribester

Not sure why there is such vitriol towards the school board members...I must have missed all the money they make spending countless hours working on solutions to YOUR children's education. I'm sure they would ALL gladly sacrifice their position on the board in exchange for passing a levy in August! It is a thankless job and they would probably welcome someone else having a turn in this community's shooting gallery!

fifteenthgreen

It is a thankless job. I wouldn't want it.

fifteenthgreen

Big savings in many areas other than jobs!

underthebridge

Not sure why there is all this vitriol? Try disagreeing with these BOE members. Good luck. Have you been to meetings in which their characterization of a discussion is the absolute OPPOSITE of what happened. I have.

JEF

Here is a link to Margaretta's Open Enrollment application:

http://www.margaretta.k12.oh.us/...

bobshumway92

Thank you for the link. I will discuss this with my wife this weekend and will most likely be sending my four kids and over $20,000.00 in state funds out of Perkins and into Margaretta. Thanks a lot Gunner. See what you did? I'm just the beginning.

Perkins0602

Scare Tatics bobshumway92??

Pirate Mom

You are going to transport your four kids to Margaretta for school and extra-curriculars? The money you spend in gas will pay for the levy. Vote yes on August 6.

Thomas Paine

Agree with underthebridge. The vitriol is more of a reflection of how they interact with the public vs. The time effort and commitment they put in. Some of the decisions made and the timing of them accompanied by their reaction to people questioning them has been an issue. It takes a special person to take the beating they do and get up in front of the public and not have their own frustrations come through. Not questioning the dedication, just the decisions made and how they are presented and discussed with the public.

sandusky2012

close down the schools save the taxpayers the money

character counts

Now that's an educated statement right there. That's probably the best solution I've EVER read on here. Maybe you should run for school board, and use that as your slogan. Get Real!

fifteenthgreen

I've got it! See above. What do you think? Thanks for your help!

sandusky2012

what is the salary of the school board members and those of the teachers. I wish that when I couldn't afford my bills I could put a levy on the ballot to get extra money for them...... get rid of the free apple tablets the kids get at school...........

fifteenthgreen

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character counts

Are we talking about teachers? No, I think you may need my help to clarify again. This is about a district! That mean collectively everyone involved. Most importantly the students!

character counts

you can...It's called an application, and you turn it in on Parish St.

stayfit

The Salary of the teachers is based on the 9 months they work and considering that they need at least a bachelor's degree to hold the position, they are paid adequately. Sorry if you can't pay your bills. Your comments are ignorant, I'm sure personal finances is a difficult task.

stayfit

Watch your housing value drop tremendously.

bobshumway92

Good. I'm staying in Perkins and open enrolling my 4 kids at Margaretta. Lower home values means less taxes I pay and less money for Gunner and Perkins schools to waste. Thank you.

Bherrle

Wow. Is it your goal to destroy the Perkins community by defunding its schools?

Perkins0602

Good luck in Margaretta! Why dont you move there! less taxes and less property value! You are contradicting yourself!

Strong Schools ...

Have fun paying for the gas to transport your children...You will still be out money!

Here is a good reasong why you should support our students!

• The state average, in Ohio, is 35 mils Perkins = 21.6 mils 14

mils less than the state average in Ohio.

character counts

Thanks JEFF for putting in the effort. But I WILL NOT need that link. I will proudly send my children to Perkins. I believe in the education they have gotten there, and I will strongly encourage others to preserve that education. But next year when you total up your gas monies, please leave me a post and let me know if you saved any money. I hardly doubt you will, but if that is your solution....good luck to you!

sandusky2012

lets legalize pot and all drugs then why do we need a resourse officer?

sandusky2012

why are students learning Chinese as a language I think we better add English teachers

stayfit

To compete in a world market. China is passing America and it is because this country does not put as much emphasis on education as other nations. Teaching Chinese is one step, so that Americans can learn more than one language to compete. The citizens of many other nations know three-to-six languages, easy.

bobshumway92

Gunners talking point.

fifteenthgreen

Need to stay focused people!

character counts

Yea, starting with you. I'm failing to see any type of punctuation in your sentence above.

fifteenthgreen

Don't start playing the grammar police.

Pirate Mom

I do not want to be in a school district "like every other school around". Why do you live in Perkins Township if not for the schools? My husband and I chose it because of the schools and the people. I could have found my house in many neighborhoods around Erie County. We chose these schools. Vote yes on August 6.

fifteenthgreen

character counts has their act together.

character counts

Maybe you'll get it when you turn 18. You are clearly an adolescent!

sandusky2012

whats wrong with using the public library? heres a better idea along with pay to play lets charge admission to attend these sporting events like lets say 100.00 bucks per person per event.

Strong Schools ...

Vote Yes for the Students!

• Perkins receives less than 33% of its revenue to operate from
the state, compared to the state average contribution of 43%.
This forces school districts to seek local funding to make up for
decreasing funds previously generated from the state.

fifteenthgreen

Would cutting the $1,185,745 in computers save teacher's jobs.

sandusky2012

I tell you what people in perkins are gonna be broke soon ? didn't the police cry they needed a levy passed or no police protection, now the school? lets start charging a toll for those whom drive thru the township

sandusky2012

how much the school district gonna pay for levy signs?

Strong Schools ...

Everything will be paid for by donations and community supporters. The school district does not use "school" money to pay for levy needs.

Facts on why you should vote yes!

• State average contribution is approximately 43% of total revenue
received by a local school district.
• In Erie County three districts receive more than the the state
average. Two local districts receive more than 50% of their
revenue from the state.
• Perkins receives less than 33% of its revenue to operate our
school district from the state.
• All school districts in the State of Ohio are receiving less funding
each year from the state, forcing schools to seek more funding
locally to make up for the decreasing percentage from the state.

fifteenthgreen

Cmon sandusky2012. Keep it real.

sandusky2012

lets have a bake sale !!!!!!!!!!!

character counts

Goodnight fifteenthgreen and sandusky 2012, It's past your 9:00 bedtime! Until tomorrow.

fifteenthgreen

Thank you for your help.

sandusky2012

goodnight

fifteenthgreen

$1,185,745 could be a nice savings.

RMyer

The district wouldn't save $2.5 million a year on the "annual laptop lease program" program because it doesn't spend that much each year (the number you are quoting is off by a significant percentage). Where did you get that number? I encourage you to contact the district treasurer for the actual number as I did earlier this year.

The state has technology standards that all districts are required to teach. Technology is needed in order to do that. The T in STEM stands for technology. Colleges and businesses want technology literate students and employees. Some technology training and equipment purchased over the years has been handled by way of grants. The district saved money on technology support by converting to a new phone system and by switching support service providers for applications like the grade book system. When the student laptops were switched, the Apple buyback program resulted in over $400,000 receipted back into the p.i. fund. The district saves money by taking care of service and repairs in-house (also, one of the computer classes at the high school makes it possible for students to receive Apple technician certification).

The district spent money on technology prior to the laptops and will need to spend money on technology into the future. We could debate nine ways to Sunday about the best way to prepare students for the technology infused world that colleges and businesses operate in today and changing rapidly as we move forward. If you have a cost effective program idea that will accomplish that goal, please present it to the board of education.

Keep in mind the district spent money on technology prior to the current laptops.

Finally, this from the Ohio Dept. of Education site that encourages the opening of STEM schools: The goal of STEM schools is to foster intellectual, entrepreneurial and technical talent. This is vital to Ohio’s future economic growth and prosperity, which depends on an aligned education system to support the state’s economic development efforts and that helps all Ohio students become innovators and inventors, self-reliant and logical thinkers and technologically proficient problem solvers.

bobshumway92

Gunners talking points.

Strong Schools ...

Why we should vote yes!

• Perkins spent $1.67 million less to educate its almost 2,435
students compared to similar size districts in the state of Ohio
• Perkins spent $141 lower per student in fiscal year 2012
compared to fiscal year 2011

fifteenthgreen

When you called earlier this year, as you stated, what answer were you given as to how much is spent on the letter T and computers?

fifteenthgreen

I was just told the "Apple technician certification" is good if they want to work at the Apple Store at a local Mall like Crocker Park in Westlake.

underthebridge

RMyer - Do you know that many corporations do not turn over their company's computers at the rate that Perkins Schools have?

Also, there are other costs associated with the technology/laptop program that do not have to do with $ expenditures. Many parents are ambivalent about the program because of this. Don't believe me? Check out social media during an average school day. These posts are not happening between classes or during lunch. They are happening All day long. Try expressing those concerns to Gunner, the BOE, and the administration. They don't want to hear it.

fifteenthgreen

Agree.

Bherrle

A very short-cited opinion, in my opinion.

fifteenthgreen

Did you graduate from a STEM school? I didn't.

Bherrle

No, I didn't. But that fact, on it's face, does not mean we should offer that opportunity to existing and future students. The world is not the same as it was 20-30 years ago.

I'm not saying I agree with the building plans as they have been presented in the past. I'm not a Kool-Aid drinker. I don't agree with everything that has been done in the last several years We have to think forward, in a fiscally responsible manner. But comparing it to what I had, or you had is not a sound basis, in my opinion.

fifteenthgreen

It's all up to the individual student and how they apply themselves.

Strong Schools ...

Support our students! Vote Yes!

Administrative cost per student:
• Perkins spent $287 less per student than the state average in
Ohio school districts
• Perkins spent $700,00 less than the average school district of
similar size in Ohio
• Perkins spends significantly less per student on Administrative
costs than all other Erie County Schools.

Strong Schools ...

This is why you should vote for the students!

• Perkins spent $700 less per student than the state average in
Ohio school districts.
• Ohio average $10,696

sandusky2012

lets put parking meters at the school

bobshumway92

Don't give Gunner and the Board any ideas.

Gardenman

I have a friend of mine who lives in the Vermilion Local School District. He and his family are huge school supporters. Sometime ago Vermilion tried to pass a levy for a new elementary school and it failed badly. Now Vermilion is dong just what Perkins Local Schools wanted to do and move operating dollars around to build a new building. In Vermilion it seems to have worked as they without a vote of the local residents are building a new elementary school.

My friend said to me I have had it with superintendent and Board of Education. We have supported this disrict with money and volunteer efforts for years. We are no longer supporting any levy of the Vermilion Schools. Said this superintendent is bound and determind he is going to get a one campus setting of all schools and if the voters do not approve he is going to "ram it down the voter's throat."

I think for many that is what Gunner and the Perkins School Board have done to voters here and the votes have had enough. You can't do things like this and assume the taxpayers are going to support you. Proven over and over again is that voters will not be intimidated. While these cuts may be necessary the Board better be very careful what and how far they go. They just might end up like Sheffield - Sheffield Lake Schools were it took 19 tries to pass an operating levy and very close to home Vermilion Local Schools not too long ago took 13 tries to pass an operating levy.

It's not a great idea to anger the voters of the Perkins School District and the Board and superintendent better be real sure where they are going for it's hard to recover what you have lost in previous support.

Strong Schools ...

Support our students and vote yes! GO PIRATES!

Academic Projects -

• NASA and the Art Department partnered on STEM Arts Initiative
project. This project provided Perkins students the opportunity to
understand the elements of science, technology, engineering,
and mathematics through the world of art. The students Artwork
is entitled “Windows of the Shuttle” which is displayed in a large
elevator located in one of the buildings that NASA’s many visitors
from all over the world can view on the numerous tours offered.

starryeyes83

And here, I always thought going to school was about learning not sports , silly me ..... It seems to be all about sports.... oh and a fancy country club type building that they want to pass off as a new high school. Remember the plans that were shown a year or so ago, wasn't that Perkins? With a big fountain in the plans?

Next year, it will be an additional operating levy ( check out the other districts who have went through the same thing) ... New buildings with new construction have already had problems with leaking roofs and so forth.

Let the younger generation know what it's like to have to go without something. The rest of us had to.

The New World Czar

"Let the younger generation know what it's like to have to go without something. The rest of us had to."- starry, you hit the nail on the head.

True success stories come from those who achieve more with less, not achieve less with more.

starryeyes83

Thank you.

Strong Schools ...

Another fact on why you should support our students!

• Perkins and Sandusky Schools partnered to implement a
“blended learning” Health Course on a grant application to the
Ohio ETech organizations to win one of only ten grants in the
state worth $60,000. Health teachers from both districts worked
together since last year on the creation of a Health course using
the “blended learning” concept.

JEF

No pay-to-play fees, only $40 student fees. Sign up for open enrollment today!

http://www.margaretta.k12.oh.us/...

GO BEARS!

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