Perkins Schools meeting live tonight, moved to cafeteria

School board to look at new round of cuts, inside millage. Click here for the agenda and check back here for live coverage and updates this evening.
Alissa Widman Neese
May 29, 2013

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When: 6 p.m.
Where: Perkins High School cafeteria
Why: Click here for the agenda

The Perkins school board is expected to approve more district-wide cuts at a special meeting tonight to cope with a lack of funding from its failed May levy.

The meeting is at 6 p.m. in the Perkins High School cafeteria. It follows a May 16 closed-door meeting where board members discussed the district’s finances and personnel issues.

Tonight board members plan to discuss the closed-door meeting’s topics with the public and most likely take action, board president Matt Kosior previously said.

“We need to review where exactly we are as we head into the next levy effort,” Kosior said at a May 8 meeting, shortly after board members agreed to place a 10-year, 6.73-mill levy on the August ballot. 

Voters overwhelmingly rejected a 4.98-mill levy proposal May 7, killing the district’s hopes of avoiding deficit spending without additional cuts.

Even after approving $12 million in cuts in April for the next four years, the district is still projecting a deficit of about $1 million for the upcoming school year, treasurer Lisa Crescimano said.

The district’s budget is about $23 million.

A copy of tonight’s meeting agenda was not available Tuesday. The agenda should be available on the district’s website by about 2 p.m. today, Crescimano said.

Comments

VOTENO

VOTE NO IN AUGUST AND EVERY LEVY THIS CURRENT BOARD IS HERE AND AS LONG AS GUNNER IS HERE! MOVE THE INSIDE MILLAGE BACK AND STOP THE LIES!!!!!

VOTE NO!

character counts

Let me just start off by saying that I am extremely disappointed and disgusted with the lack of character, moral, and knowledge that is posted in this trashy blog. What sickens me even more is that my child is born in one of the most SELFISH eras that had ever existed. Every single person that is absorbed with this issue is downright self centered. I too am disgusted with way that the administration has bullied an affluent community into making these decisions. I agree with each and every one of you that wants your voice to be heard. Everyone is entitled to their own vote, and opinion. I am angry with the board, I am angry with Gunner, and I am also angry with each citizen that bases a critical vote without using any type of logic. Let's think about this entire issue. Having a business background, if Gunner makes additional cuts it will directly impact the children in this community, and because a union is based on seniority he will be cutting young employees that are lowest on the pay scale. Now let's think about how an economy is run. For those of you who may have not payed attention during Econ,your largest consumers in life are younger people. Think about it, young people are building their lives, making purchases, buying houses...hello!!!! Therefore, your no vote is NOT affecting Gunner. He will continue to br employed, and make the same salary. You are destroying our present economy, and our FUTURE! Oh yea and all you bright individuals that want the state to step in take a look at our present economic situation. Your willing to take a local affair and give it to the state. If you haven't already learned that less government involvement is better, than you fools need to take a good look around at society. Who in their right mind would want the state to be more involved in civil matters. You think you voice isn't heard now, well it really won't matter if government is involved. So take your no vote, your voice, and all your power to the November election, and get rid of the three board members that are up for re-election. And for the record research topics before you get on a public blog and have NO idea what you talk about!

Wald

Wow, character counts, you really showed your character! All your name calling and accusations really make me want to vote yes now...not! Typical bullying tactics of your BOE! Vote NO!

character counts

Exactly a typical comment that I would expect as a response. Absolutely not factual, or logical. As for the " MY BOE" go back and read the last sentence in my post. Obviously we share the same view. A better solution to fixing a broken community is to get rid of the current board because they are the ones that have a final say. Vote yes for the levey. Re-elect a new board in NOV!

Wald

What wasn't factual? You did insult people who vote no and tried to use threats to make no voters vote yes. Thank you for trying to tell me what is best for me (typical levy supporter arrogance), but I know the facts a lot better than you do, and I'm voting NO. Your ranting and name-calling will do nothing to change that.

arnmcrmn

Threat? I failed to read any threats

Wald

No threats? Maybe you lack comprehension: "if Gunner makes additional cuts it will directly impact the children in this community", "You are destroying our present economy, and our FUTURE!", "Your (sic) willing to take a local affair and give it to the state", "You think you voice isn't heard now, well it really won't matter if government is involved". Those sure read like threats to me.

Nemesis

CC, how is your comment any better? "Yes they're crooks, but give them more money because it's FOR THE CHILDREN." That's what's known as an EMOTIONAL appeal.

The kids will not be hurt. They will continue to learn and achieve as they have been because THEY AND THEIR PARENTS are the independent variable in that achievement. You want facts? There is ZERO correlation between school spending and student outcomes. Perkins spends more per pupil than many districts whose students are doing great.

There are three prerequisites for any intelligent person to vote yes - the replacement of at least the 3 board members up for re-election with people not endorsed by the remaining incumbents, Gunner's replacement by that new board, and a reversal of the millage switch. Of course, with that third one, the need for the levy is eliminated, so there's no logical basis for any yes vote.

God Of Thunder

No kidding... One of the longest winded comments I've read on here in a long time...
I fell asleep halfway through it..

Edwin Ison

Open enroll at Sandusky City Schools.

Perkins2060

Character Counts solution is to throw more money at the problem. Spoken like a true politician. VOTE NO!

*edit* Also kind of sounds like a realtor.

Wald

Voting NO in August and again in November!

Cowboy

Voting no in August again! Cut Gunner's salary!

lifetimeresident

Are you telling me as long as the current Super is there you will not even consider a YES vote.

VOTENO

You are correct. The lies and inside millage move after the voters said no not once but twice are it for me.

Wald

That's what I'm telling you.

richrs

Yep!

Pirate Mama

I will vote Yes and with PRIDE! I proudly support this levy, the administration and the staff!

VOTENO

You and all the other 20% of the Township.

DLK

I will vote NO with PRIDE! I proudly support the hardworking tax payers of this district.

If you support the staff, why don't you ask your boss to move inside millage back where it belongs. That would save a lot of jobs. Or are facilities more important?

pavedparadise

Vote yes out of pride not need is like Lemmings following each other over a cliff. Gunner needs to go on a financial diet. Better yet boot him.

KURTje

Now we are getting through. See in America most in "authority" have always had their say and agenda . They too must bear the results of an economy that has hurt the MAJORITY of the populace.

Perkins2060

I too will be voting NO and will not consider a yes vote as long as Gunner and the current board are in place. Remove them all and you have a yes from me.

Common Sense

If that is your logic for voting no, then you are applying your no vote to the wrong election. November is the time to do the work you suggest.

goodtime1212

also will be voting no as long they are all still in charge, trying to force the voters into getting what they want, NOT what the voters want.

Pirate Mama

I do not want the state to take over our schools. I do not want my property value to continue to decrease, and I want to be proud of where I live and raise my family! I will vote YES!!!

bobshumway92

I'll take the State running our district over what we have now.

DLK

They aren't even at that point yet. They want you to think so. Regardless, there is no real "takeover". A new school board is formed temporarily, and the school will continue to operate by "borrowing ahead" until a new levy is passed. Their 5 year forecast will eventually have to be in the black by making cuts or passing a levy. I also welcome the state coming in. Maybe inside millage will be moved back, and the plans to build a new school will be thrown out with yesterday's garbage.....along with Gunner.

Perkins2060

I'm not moving so DECREASE my property value! No brainer! Less taxes and more money in my pocket! VOTE NO!

DLK

Lies, lies, lies....if you listen to Gunner's video, he's looking for a levy slogan like the Perkins Police. He said if the levy doesn't pass in August, there will be NO PERKINS SCHOOLS.

Nothing but lies people!

VOTENO

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Off-topic comments.

VOTENO

What I thought was funny is the majority of the people at the meeting were teachers, staff, and a realtor. Gee, why is that?

underthebridge

Very sad that the leadership of the district has lost the faith of the community.

VOTENO

When you do the inside millage after voters said no, put another levy on the ballot after we said no, and then put yet another levy on the ballot after we said no, all the lies about the "unsafe" building, lies about not using tax money to pay for the new football field, etc. What do you expect?

Livestrong

Did the voters ever stop to think of the kids that will be affected if the levy doesn't pass?Everyone is quick to point fingers of why we are in this situation. Bottom line is that the kids are OUR FUTURE! As a community we should want the best for our kids. Maybe if more of the community was to come to a board meeting and just listen, you will see that its not all about a new school, but about the best interest of educating our kids.

VOTENO

Bring in the State!

underthebridge

I think a lot of people believe that this fiscal crisis was manufactured by moving the inside mills to the outside mills so they could build the facilities.

VOTENO

How many consultants are we paying to get the levy passed? How much are we paying for the communications guy? How many administrators do we have that we don't need? You want cuts? Start there.

44870 South

Wow...I just cannot believe this. I will be voting NO (again). Not because I don't support children, but because that clan over there has not been honest and forthcoming. They now are resorting to making more threats. I also will be open enrolling my child at Sandusky...enough is enough. They seem to have it together more over there and have been more fiscally responsible the last several years, considering they got hit very hard. Everyone has had to make cuts. Many people may not be able to wrap their head around that concept, but come on! This is just ridiculous. "Ask questions! Ask questions!" they said...well, we did ask questions...like where did the millions of dollars go from all the open enrollment?? The "gravy train has run out"...well what did you do with all the gravy Mr. Gunner??

Perkins2060

The way Gunner praised Sandusky tonight is making me seriously consider open enrolling my kids in Sandusky. Considering all the cuts he wants to make and the pay to play, Sandusky sounds like a good option. My kids aren't on free lunches so I will have to pay the $500-$600 per sport to play which is three sports per year per child. Sandusky, Margaretta, or Huron are serious options that my wife and I will be considering.

Edwin Ison

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Personal attacks (including: name calling, presumption of guilt or guilt by association, insensitivity, or picking fights).

Livestrong

Wouldn't it just be cheaper in the long run to pass the levy, then to pay to play for the year?

goodtime1212

You are correct it would be cheaper, BUT its not ALL about the money, there is no trust, will not give anyone, any money if there is not trust. my kids go the high school and they are just fine, so do say the kids will be hurt is bull, will teach the kids to work with what you have and live in your means. Also how importandt it is to have trust and respect.

44870 South

Perkins2060...there is NO pay to play at Sandusky. I already checked that out. They actually offer a whole lot more K-12 compared to the other schools in this area, including Perkins. I know teachers in both districts. Sandusky has lots of phenomenal teachers. It's just as good a school district! The rating isn't there mainly due to the lower socio-economic factor and the dynamics that I assume exist in that regard. But from what I've heard, Sandusky's top kids are out performing Perkins "cream of the crop". I believe they will hit that "Excellent" mark as a district here in the future. They seem to be making good decisions over there. Not that it matters, there are lots of BAD teachers in schools with Excellent ratings. I came from one! I can tell you, I have a niece that goes to Perkins and another niece in Sandusky. Guess what?? They are learning the SAME stuff, and one is not doing any better than the other. Imagine that. I have a feeling we might be making a change...?

reader

Mr. Gunner wants questions. Here's one.

Why did the board move the millage to pay for a new building rather than continue to work to convince the voters to pass a levy to pay for it?

reader

Gee, I keep checking back and Mr. Gunner hasn't answered my question?

44870 South

Livestrong...the funny thing is this - for a lot of people this is becoming less and less about the money anymore...it all about principle now. People don't like to be bullied. I know bullying is an issue at Perkins, but I didn't expect it from the administration? We said NO. We said we can't afford it. We said our houses aren't worth what they used to be. We said we've lost our jobs. We've said are jobs are too uncertain. WE said that right now, we will approve your renewal, but THAT'S IT! WE SAID NO! You know, Perkins has been a good school system - one of the reasons we moved to this area. They accomplished that with older buildings and facilities. Heck, there was even a day when GRASS was good enough to play on...but....well suddenly it wasn't anymore (hmmm???) Now the "whiny children" are still whining. I've had it. Not only am I gonna vote no, I'm gonna take my $5700 with me when I walk into the SCS BOE and enroll my child. Maybe then Mr. Gunner will get it? People have choices these days. The schools are becoming more like businesses these days...and if I don't like your business, I will simply take my business elsewhere.

lifetimeresident

I watched the video. Hate to see the school district fail. But, reading everyones blogs it sounds like no one will vote YES because they dont understand the Super's stradegy or they just dont like/trust him. If we were all on a boat, and it was going to sink, would you push someone off the back of the boat if it meant the rest survived? Is that what you people are saying. If we push him off the boat, there is a possibility you might vote YES?

pavedparadise

Lets send the school board over the edge with him

Pirate Mama

Pay now or pay later, eventually we are going to have to pass a levy! There is no shame is praising Sandusky for the good they have done. We should praise all schools, this is not a competition. It is a shame people in Perkins aren't showing pride for their children. Schools without art, music, PE.....is this really what people want? I am voting YES!

DLK

No, we don't have to pay now nor do we have to pay later. Get the message, an overwhelming majority of people don't agree with you or Gunner's plan. You don't need a new school. You didn't need a new stadium. You didn't need to move inside millage to get whatever you WANT. If you want to blame someone for a school without "specials", then blame poor decisions made by your school board. Maybe the $1.7 million they invested in a stadium or $50 million on a new school would pay for a few art, music, PE teachers. Just because we as voters don't agree with your grand scheme doesn't mean we don't have pride. Ever see my current tax bill?

I have pride in my community and the taxpayers that live in it. We are sending you a message but you just don't seem to hear it.

With open enrollment, it is most definitely a competition. I would be considering Margaretta, Edison, Sandusky, etc.

Wald

Great post! And by the way, Pirate Mama, a Perkins school levy DID just pass! Now you want more?

Finn Finn

DLK - FYI, she doesn't care about your tax bill, or anyone elses. All she cares about is HER kid and a fancy new school. She doesn't give a hoot about the financial hardships of others. Yet somehow, she feels qualified to lecture you and other taxpayers about how a new school would be fiscally beneficial to all of us.

goodtime1212

If my kids need a new huge school that no one can afford to feel they are being praised, we are doing something serously wrong at home.

God Of Thunder

Hire Fred Fox!!!!!!!

Livestrong

I understand that some people feel its about principle at this point. All I ask is that the community puts the kids best interest first. And by reading some of these posts, it seems like some are not thinking of the kids. Everyone has a choice to enroll their child into another school district. But who's to say that other schools are not or will not be in the same boat? I see the pride that Perkins kids have in their school, the desire to achieve their goal, thier dreams. As a community, maybe we should learn some of that pride from our kids.

Perkins2060

Do it for the children! All teachers and administration take an immediate 25% pay cut and pay for your insurance! DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN!

goodtime1212

gREAT IDEA, We all know that wont happen, They care so much for the kids they went on strike, dont forget that.

DLK

Stop drinking the Gunner Kool-Aid, buddy!

Tell Gunner to put the kids best interest first.

Vote NO!

Livestrong

The board meetings seem to consist of staff, very few parents/community members. If everyone wanted to be heard, why are they not at the board meetings voicing these concerns?

DLK

Our voices are heard at the polls. Just listen.

Wald

I have voiced my concerns, but Gunner doesn't want to listen. It's his way or he'll cut, cut, cut to try to bully us into getting what he wants. At this point, it's like banging your head against a brick wall. The only thing he'll hear is a NO vote.

pavedparadise

Out numbered by teachers

Erie Countian

Obviously Gunner has completely lost the trust and respect of most of the community. He started out immediately on the wrong foot by interviewing for the superintendent position at Oregon Schools soon after accepting the job at Perkins. He SHOULD have been shown the door as soon as that happened! Then he said he and his family will be moving here. That never happened, and it was never explained why he has never moved here until just recently in the district newsletter, when evidently Gunner decided he needed to explain it to help pass a levy. The moving of inside millage was pretty much a slap in the face to voters. Our high school is supposedly "unsafe", but yet Gunner and the Board use over a million in taxpayer dollars (in addition to the privately raised one million-something) to make this new stadium we have into the Taj Mahal instead of simply making it a functional and safe facility. Meanwhile, our outdated high school still needs to be replaced! (And it DOES need to be replaced. My kids all graduated from PHS over a decade ago, and the school was outmoded then!)It's an embarrassment to drive by this new stadium and see the old, outdated high school sitting next to it. I HELD MY NOSE and voted YES earlier this month. I have never voted no on a school levy because I feel we should support our schools and our children. But I know that until Gunner is out and this current BOE is replaced, there is no chance of a levy being passed. They have no credibility with the community and have lost our trust. I will vote yes again for our kids despite my complete mistrust of Gunner, because I don't want to see Perkins Schools go downhill any more than they already have under Gunner and this BOE's reign. We still need to pass a levy. It's been many years since we have and it will cost even more the longer we go. I will show my anger with the BOE (and Gunner) by voting them out when the time comes for re-election. Hopefully we will then have a BOE who will get rid of this lying manipulator of a superintendent that we have now!

DLK

While I mostly agree with you, I disagree the high school needs replaced. I only agree the North portion needs replaced, but the high school is newer than most schools in the area. They should have used PI money over the years to maintain what they had. That is what the money is for. It's not my problem that they didn't.

Perkins2060

SHS is older than Perkins and SCS is in great shape according to Gunner.

AllTheAnswers

How many lawsuits are pending against Perkins Locals? Anymore in the works? Do these lawsuits and pending payouts have anything to do with the school's horrible financial planning? Lack of trust for this school system. Even in "good times" Perkins Locals isn't supported by the community. Always something to blame. Now the teachers are frustrated and this DIRECTLY effects the quality of education in the system. 70%/30% no vote in August, more threats, more mistrust, angry staff, lack of learning.....maybe state takeover will help.

eriemom

How many lawsuits are pending against Perkins Locals?
Don't know how many.One was recently remanded back from the Ohio Supreme Court.

Anymore in the works?
Yes. Several grievances and court cases. I'm sure that the coach problem will end up with both. Others as well.

Do these lawsuits and pending payouts have anything to do with the school's horrible financial planning?
Sadly, they will.

Now the teachers are frustrated and this DIRECTLY effects the quality of education in the system. ...angry staff, lack of learning...
Absolutely!

maybe state takeover will help
If it does then everything not related to core subjects will get cut.

I'm Done

All we have heard from Gunner and current board members is the money brought in through open enrollment and the money that will be rolling in from Kalahari. We stressed our opposition in moving the inside millage only to have the board TELL us what we need. Well, we wouldn't be in this predicament if inside millage wasn't moved because there would be mobey to pay teachers and operate the schools. See what happens when all that matters is a new building? I'm not even going to get started on the "gravy train" comments or the fact Gunner and the board members placed our district in this current situation through bullying and lies. Voting no in August and November.

WesTaylor

Please reconsider. Vote out the board in November if you would like. Do not let our children down. Now more than ever, they need a top quality education. Vote yes!

Perkins2060

And a fancy new building will provide that?

44870 South

Parents, send your kids to SCS, Huron, or wherever. The public passed the renewal levy. I'm seriously considering SCS. They got it together over there, and have had it pretty rough. A lot rougher than Perkins has had it, but yet they are moving forward and making GOOD, SMART, and fiscally RESPONSIBLE decisions. I can't help it...I'm impressed by that. SCS students are gonna benefit from that kind of leadership. I was embarrassed by the Perkins BOE meeting last night...Gunner does not reflect any sort of authority or leadership. And the rest of them, yelling about what the "public doesn't get", frankly made me angry. THE PUBLIC GETS IT! We understand better than anyone! We know what we can afford!!! You don't build a new football stadium without 100% non-taxaper money, and you don't build an entire new high school when you can't afford that either! What the heck???? You do the same thing the government does...spend, spend, spend. In the end, I don't want my kid having to pay for their mistakes or your new high school that we don't need right now!! I am just shocked....shocked that after the taxpayers graciously voted for the renewal that they are slapping us in the face by once again, driving yet another levy down our throats, and treating us like we are a bunch of ignorant fools. And to the lady who got up and was screaming about how they are educating the "future doctor that is going to perform open-heart surgery on you"...Well, that kid will probably be mine...and before he puts you under, he'll be sure to inform you that he graduated from Sandusky City Schools. It's all about parenting...ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. GO STREAKS! If you ask me!! Geez....

I'm Done

Very nicely put!! I have been thinking the same thing!!

Tribester

Funny how you praise Sandusky for "having it together" when all they do is pass levy after levy after levy to fund SCS. You are the same people that blame that on all the renters in Sandusky that don't pay property tax. Sandusky continues to be in Continuous Improvement, whereas Perkins is Effective. If Sandusky was so great, 500 kids would not be open enrolled at Perkins to get out. If you want a district with no music, no art, no PE, no all day kindergarten, no Little Pirates, pay 500 dollars per child per sport or activity, no bus, by all means continue to stick your head in the sand and vote no because you don't like Gunner and the board. I must have missed where the board members get paid thousands of dollars to promote their evil agenda of properly funding the schools. They should get a medal for having such a thankless job. People bitched about the township hall and the police levy but somehow it passed because people realized having a good police force was important. The quality of our kids' education is JUST as important to our community as the police. You guys act like moving inside millage is illegal or something, LOTS of other districts in Ohio have done the exact same thing. They should just merge with Sandusky if the levy fails, and then your taxes will REALLY go up.

44870 South

They DO have it together over there, and are up against a lot! Continuous Improvement doesn't mean you can't get a quality education at Sandusky. I believe SHS was also just rated Effective. Not every kid in Sandusky has two parents to sit down with them at night and read, do HW, work on projects, etc., or frankly get them up to go to school. That rating isn't the reflection of the educators and teachers in Sandusky, that rating is a reflection of the socio-economics of many Sandusky children and the dynamics that plague them in that way. Like I said, don't get caught up in School Ratings...And yes, a lot of people thought it was greener on the other side and came here to Perkins. But there are a lot of people fed up with Perkins too.

As for passing levies, I don't know how many levies they've passed in the last years, all I know is that they didn't piss off and alienate an entire community in the process!

WesTaylor

I moved my family to Perkins 3 years ago because of the general lack of parenting in the Sandusky City community. Complete lack of respect for authority made for a very difficult experience for my children. I am so happy we moved. I know that SCS is full of great teachers, but a district is also made up of the students. The students that my kids were forced to learn next to were defiant, rude, and unwilling to learn. Think about that before you send your children there.

Also, I looked into this levy stuff. We do not have money because of lack of tax money generated state-wide and locally. You can blame the stadium and everything else, but the fact is that no one saw this coming except for Kasich. He is the real villain here. You seem like a pretty smart person, so I hope that you will do the right thing here. Vote yes.

44870 South

Are you serious???? I'm sorry, but this is garbage. I know for a fact that it isn't a utopia at Perkins. Teachers get cussed out there too, by rude, defiant students!! Stop using that...I have family that goes to SCS and the MAJORITY OF SCS kids are great kids! SCS made the mistake of not dealing properly with the "trouble makers". I believe they closed a building that those kind of kids went to...BIG MISTAKE I think there.

LIke you said in your first line...."lack of parenting". That's what its all about.

Darkhorse

Gunner thinks he, too, can pull a police levy shenanigan and tell parents that if he doesn't get his way with the levy, the school will shut down. Hey, it worked for the police department why not for the schools. Just pull the scare tactics and you get anything you ask for.

eriemom

Who will run for Board replacement in November? Any ideas? Whose terms are up?

My thoughts

No one will run against them. Thankless job. People would rather run their mouths behind a keyboard. It's the American way.

underthebridge

That isn't true. There have been people who have sought to be appointed when positions are vacant. They are passed over by the BOE in favor of those whose opinions exactly mirror their own.

My thoughts

Who are these people? Will they be running in November? We need three people who will stand up to the Superintendent to run, get elected and take a stand. I nominate VOTE NO and Perkins2060 since they seem to have all the answers. How about it guys or gals?

eriemom

My thinking is leaning the same.

Perkins2060

Who is the guy in the video that cussed at the meeting saying "b*llsh*t???

eriemom

I don't remember seeing/hearing that.

Perkins2060

I think the gentleman said he was a realtor. He. Was talking about when Perkins cut sports back in the 80's.

eriemom

I was was having some difficulty hearing most of the comments. The microphone stayed with the super. One of the men sitting with Mr. Chapman was a realtor. I have listened to folks talking about how the sports programs were affected the last time the district cut middle school sports. They say that it took years to turn it around.

fifteenthgreen

Wrong again. Sports were never cut in the history of the Perkins School District. Ever. Years to turn it around? Turn what around? I thought this was about getting an education....not a trophy. And the '80s/early 90s were some of the most successful in school history. Not sure about the Meadowlawn Olympic records though! I think the standing long jump record is still intact. Please people. Now we are more concerned about the path of a child through the ranks of athletics in elementary and junior high.

eriemom

Whoa. Dude, I was repeating a discussion as I heard it. I personally think that we need to stop hiring coaches who teach core subjects on the side.

kal-el

Perkins "bloggers" said they would not vote for a levy until the LAST Supt was gone. She is.

Am I mistaken that the voters of Perkins elected the current school board?

Anyone else see the hypocrisy in these blog posts? Or is it just the all too familiar "I don't want to contribute to my community" rants?

fifteenthgreen

.....and "she" made the same threats that Gunner is attempting to make. "She" went as far as making threats that all busing would be eliminated, reduced lunches would be eliminated, all sports, band, etc... would be eliminated, State takeover, blah, blah, blah. Different threats, different superintendent, same buildings, same old song and dance. Also, regardless of what board member the public votes in, each member is simply a puppet at the Superintendent's disposal. Always have been. Always will be!

kal-el

Pop quiz, bloggers!

How many of you know the following without looking it up, or even thought about it before you wrote your latest rant?

1) What is inside millage?
2) What is HB 920, and why was it passed?
3) What is the 20 mill floor, and why was it established?
4) What is the relationship between #1-3 and what is the impact on school funding/budgets?

Perkins2060

What is VOTE NO!

fifteenthgreen

I was thinking about maybe voting YES until kal-el went on their arrogant rant and useless questionaire. Thanks for helping to inform me as to why we are no closer to a Yes vote.

kal-el

LOL...right. If you make your voting decisions to spite a blog post you have some serious issues that have nothing to do with the school's budget.

fifteenthgreen

Not really a laughing matter but that is how you roll, I guess. You brought up the past Supt. Sheri B. and the system is no different in the present. I actually forgot until you reminded me and plan to dig into the past for comparison purposes. Maybe the SR can do the same for us. Her tactics then are the same as Gunners now. It didn't work then and it won't work now. The district is not even close to a state of emergency. Seriously??? Laughable that he would even try that this early. "She" wasn't even that dumb to try that one this early in the game. Also, for Gunner to have the guts to imply that he may reconsider moving here if the August levy fails because the school district will be in such disarray, sickens me. At that stage, I guess Perkins wouldn't be worthy of his presence. Arrogant as you! Time for me to attend the meetings and educate the public even more on how the system/district really works and how shady it really is. Been behind those closed doors!

pavedparadise

Who is twisting the teacher's arm early in the video to spend $7000 of her own money to educate? She does so out of her own free well and she should be commended but it is her choice.

Can we get a show of hands how many in the audience are teachers?

I hope Gunner takes the time to watch and listen to what he says in these videos. If the Perkins Schools are in a crises, he and his flock of school board geese are the ones responsible.

There ought to be a law school boards can only place levy's on the ballot twice a year November and May.

eriemom

I don't blame the staff for being at the meeting. Wouldn't you under the circumstances? I didn't like seeing the way that Gunner talked to them though. I was concerned by the low public turn out. I'm glade that my own children have already graduated. We are about to watch a school district dismantled.

fifteenthgreen

Dismantled??? Please. You would believe that.

eriemom

I am giving opinion only. Our community has lost most of the high-paying blue collar jobs. This was our tax base. So, yes, our school district will be dismantled. Open enrollment put it off for a few years, but I think that we are headed in that direction.

You get what you pay for.

lifetimeresident

Took a walk tonight and spoke to a few nice neighbors. Their kids are no longer in school. Same reaction from each. They called the Super a Liar and a thief. They said NO way there will not be a Perkins School District come August. How do you change the minds of these people who no longer respect the Super.

eriemom

@lifetime: I'm getting the same reaction. Mixed reactions about board members. Some are disappointed. Some blame them. Some have talked about them all being "good people," and blame Gunner, but respect is gone.

Perkins2060

I haven't heard one good thing about Gunner from anyone. It's time for him to resign.

underthebridge

I have attended BOE meetings over the years. I try to be as informed as a lay person can be. I'm giving this a shot, but I am not an expert. I'd ask your kindness if my explanations are not perfectly articulate.

1. Inside millage are funds used to operate the day to day functioning of the school district
2. HB920 limits the amount of money the state can collect from a levy even if property values increase. It was passed to prevent the gov't from collecting a windfall of revenue when property values increase. So, if a property's value is $200,000 at the time a levy passed, the gov't cannot collect more than that even if the value of the property increases to say $220,000. (protects property owners by preventing the gov't from benefitting from improvements an owner makes on property, etc.)
3. 20 mill floor prevents that reduction from going below a certain level thereby protecting the school district and students. (I'll be honest explaining this is difficult for me)
4. Costs increase because of inflation, but revenues collected are always staying the same if not reducing even if property values increase in an area.

Ohio school funding is unconstitutional and has been ruled as such by the state's highest court. I get it. Operating costs increase year after year while the revenues flat-line or decrease. It is a difficult if not impossible funding structure. It is puts the administration of constantly having to reduce costs because of shrinking revenues.

This impossible funding structure requires the BOE and the Administration to be accounting/economic wizards while they work even more cooperatively with the entire community. This is where I see them failing. Yes, they understand school funding. Yes, they've reduced costs by negotiating really lean contracts with teachers and staff. However, they are not perceived as having the ability to work cooperatively (respecting the feedback they get from the community about their initiatives) with the entire community (parents, taxpayers, businesses, etc.)

eriemom

Good explanation. Our board members seem to be leading from a higher socioeconomic class than a majority of the families in the Perkins community (today). Many may feel like they are being talked down to.

pavedparadise

Google "school board moves inside millage to operations" and you'll see this type of inside millage con job is happening often.

underthebridge

Can you answer some questions from me?

1. How has the school district spent the outside mills that were previously used for regular maintenance and repair of the facilities?

2. Are the expenditures producing the promised results in a way that is statistically significant?

3. Are those expenditures being reduced or cut?

fifteenthgreen

This is about one wish. A new building. Period! I remember when the district built the new multi-million dollar locker room facility in the high school. Not the field house. The inside locker rooms. Went through them the other day and they were trashed. Busted sinks! Come on. Who is monitoring the schools? Where are the teachers/coaches. Perkins doesn't take care of what they've got. Never have. Never will. Been there. Lived it! It can be old, but it doesn't have to be dirty!!!!!!

observer

I love how Mr. Chapman kept speaking out like anything he had to say was going to enlighten us all and make us change our minds! All he did was look like someone who was trying to get some attention on himself! Mr. Ego! What a joke!

fifteenthgreen

I agree on Chapman. Not sure why he is even on the board and how he keeps getting back in. They must feel sorry for him. Not very qualified considering he can barely even do his day job! He lacks personality, integrity and insight in any community that he has serviced. I guess they need a numbers cruncher but for the love of the students, keep the microphone away from him. He insults even the Yes voters intelligence when he speaks. Not doing anyone any favors, especially the schools. That being said, who really is strong enough to step up and speak out on the issues at hand. Where is Shoff, Pitts, Butcher, Scheckelhoff, etc...? Rushong was inadequate as a superintendent but at least he is engaging himself and enlightening the campaign. The rest know this circus is a joke and are smart enough to steer clear and not endorse this freak show. Even Shoff thought he too was going to leave with his name on a new high school. Not so.

MrGadfly

Please remember this special election will cost about $12,000. This money comes from the school general fund. That means out of your pocket.

Now, remember the school board and administration took out a loan in excess of $3 million dollars for design of the new school after you deafeated the first levy. Guess what? The taxpayers rejected the need for a new school again. But, the loan is due.

The school is in debt in excess of $3 million dollars in design fees for a school the community does not want. How's that for using your money wisely ?

Now, guess what? The quarterly propaganda piece sent to all taxpayers on a quarterly basis by the school is expected shortly. Guess where the money for this quarterly newsletter comes from? Yep, the schools general fund or taxpayers pockets.

I have heard that there is a petition being circulated throughout the community. The people who signed the document are willing to vote "yes" for a school levy if the superintendent and school board step down. The goal is to present this information at a school board meeting.

Are the school board and superintendent really in this for the kids or for themselves?

fifteenthgreen

Ex Superintendent, Max Shoff and the firm he now works for wasn't part of the design group, were they? http://www.poulosarchitects.com/...

fifteenthgreen

Ex Sup Shoff's "accomplishments while at Perkins. Where is he now!

http://www.poulosarchitects.com/...

ACCOMPLISHMENTS

1978-1980 Oversaw 1.8 Million Dollar Addition & Remodeling Project at High School
1980-1981 Renovation of Football Field and Construction of First All Weather Track in Area
1986-1988 Developed Athletic Complex which included New Boys Baseball Field, New Girls Softball Field, Site Development for future Soccer Field, (3) Little League Baseball Fields, and Walking Trail with 20 Physical Fitness Stations. This was accomplished by a joint effort of community grants, private donations, and school funds, to create a community use complex.
1991-1993 Developed Soccer Field, which completed the Athletic Complex. Remodeled and redecorated High School Auditoriums using permanent Improvement Funds.
1991-2000 In partnership with the Buildings & Grounds Supervisor and Transportation Supervisor set-up an aggressive preventive maintenance program to keep facilities and equipment at safe and high quality levels.
1993-1994 Complete renovation of Administrative's Service Center (Board Offices).
1997-1998 Renovated and added to Boys and Girls Locker Room facilities to meet current need. Payed through permanent improvement funds.
1999-2000 Began ground work with Athletic Boosters to build a field house for all programs utilizing permanent improvement funds and community donations.

fifteenthgreen

Excellent McGadfly. I forgot about the loan in excess of $3 million dollars for the design of the new school. Where did the loan originate from? I believe Mr. Chapman is a commercial loan officer at a local bank. Ugh! Explains the sense of urgency on his part if he was working both sides and Gunner cashed the "taxpayer" loan check without voter approval. Was the loan approved with the assumption of voter approval? Wow! Someone please enlighten me if this indeed is true!

eriemom

Check the treasure's report. There seem to be several current and future entries that look to to be building related.

Perkins2060

I wish someone would do a flyer that tells the truth and send it to all the resident to debunk that propaganda from the schools.

PTBarnumWouldBeProud

If I'm not mistaken, the board distributed a copy of several different financial options ( 5 year plans) based upon different differing possible avenues to be taken. I'm pretty sure that if you swing by the board office, they'd be more than happy to get a copy of it for you.

DLK

Pirate2060 is asking for the "truth".

fredinperkins

I am not sure if this question was asked or info volunteered at any meetings. When the moving of inside millage was approved by the board (no vote required by the taxpayer) how much did this drop the district below the 20 mil floor. Since that is the state minimum for operating expenses your property tax will INCREASE to bring that current expense rate to 20 mils. Mr. Gunner, Mr. Printy, ms. "treasurer"?

eriemom

I don't know fred, that doesn't sound right.

DLK

That actually is correct, eriemom. Do yourself a favor everyone and understand HB920. Switching inside millage places Perkins below the 20-mill floor, which for us, is an unvoted tax increase. PLUS, they are asking for additional money to replace the inside millage they moved (unethically).

Here is an informative article on this, very similar to what Perkins is doing:

http://news.cincinnati.com/artic...

DLK

And if you don't believe me, here is proof: the Perkins 5-year forecast and the assumptions that state, "In November 2011,the Board of Education moved the inside millage, 5.2 mills,to the permanent improvement fund. The movement will decrease property tax revenue in the operating/general fund by approximately by 2.3 million per year. This forecast represent the movement of the inside millage. This movement also places residential property below the 20 mill floor which will require a roll up to re‐establish the district at the 20 mill floor.

ftp://ftp.ode.state.oh.us/geodoc...

For those of you who don't understand, THIS IS AN UNVOTED TAX INCREASE!

And they are asking for MORE! VOTE NO!

WesTaylor

That's interesting. My taxes went down since 2011. Where is the tax increase? This happened 18 months ago, and my taxes never went up.

The heart of the matter is what is best for children. I know that the BOE has made a couple of mistakes. We all do. Maybe they are bad at meetings and a little snobby. We voted for them, and need to live with that. Do not take this out on the kids. Vote them out in November (Chapman and Printy are up for re-election). Vote yes in August.

DLK

If you taxes went down, it was because of your re-eval..or you are simply lying. Mine went up.

I do what is best for the community. An overwhelming number continues to tell you NO and it falls on deaf ears. The children will continue to receive an education in the buildings they have. It is that simple.

If you want to blame someone, look to Gunner and the board. A couple of mistakes? How about moving inside millage to PI to build a $50 million school without your vote? Why haven't they maintained their current buildings with the PI money they had all these years? Why did they use $1.7 million from the general fund for the stadium? These aren't just little mistakes that can be swept under the rug. We need to hold them accountable as the taxpayers of this district.

Vote no in August.

WesTaylor

My property was assessed at a lower value awhile back, and my taxes went down about $200 a half year. I won't complain!

In a business, you do not hold an employee accountable by betraying the consumer (us and our children, in this case). Instead, you fire the employee. November is coming. Vote them out! In August, you have a chance to do what is right, despite how we may have been wronged.

I am not sweeping anything under the rug. I am on your side here (I think...well, maybe not). I want justice, too. I just have my children to think of here. I am willing to pay $30 a month extra to support our schools.

Perkins2060

If your children need a fancy new building so the can learn, something is wrong.

WesTaylor

I could care less about the building.

DLK

You just don't get it. It's ALL about "the building". All this is because they are building a new school!

expirate

Oregon school superintendent is leaving. Will Gunner try to "go back home" now? Is Rectenwald willing to save this mess?

TboneWalkerJr

Funny how the hicks in Perkins township can't get past their OBSSESSION with this "gunner" person. Smalltown hick politics! Their aint nuthin likes it!! At least that is what the Grad-E-ets of any Perkins school will be typing here one day. Nothing like destroying your property values by turning schools into toilets that nobody wants to be around. The greedy never seem to realize that the long-term damage they do to their community and property values far outweighs the pennies of a school levy

fifteenthgreen

Need to save those "pennies" Tbone to tip you at the carwash! Thank you for your input, though. Enjoy your summer off!

DLK

Sorry to see teachers losing their jobs. Look to your bosses for making poor decisions, using scare tactics and putting facilities before staff...don't blame the voters or accuse us of not supporting the school/students.