House OKs ‘stand your ground’ law

The Ohio House has approved a measure making broad changes to the state’s gun laws, including the addition of a “stand your ground” self-defense rule that has sparked debates on gun control across the country.
Associated Press
Nov 21, 2013

The measure passed 62-27 Wednesday amid protests from anti-gun groups, black legislators and others.

The bill eliminates the duty to retreat in any place in which the person is lawfully allowed to be and makes concealed-carry licenses in Ohio and certain other states valid across state lines.

Republican Rep. Terry Johnson said the bill brings reasonable safety protections to Ohioans.

Democrats predicted it would foster violence. State Rep. Alicia Reece said opponents have jammed Republican Gov. John Kasich’s phone lines with calls to take their side.

At least 22 states have similar self-defense laws.

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toredown11

Here are the facts concerning the states with the highest gun violence (ranked 1 through 10), red state(Republican) or blue state(Democratic) and states with stand your ground laws:

#1 Louisiana - Republican governor/Republican legislation/SYG law? Yes
#2 Alaska - R / R / Yes
#3 Alabama - R / R / Yes
#4 Arizona - R / R / Yes
#5 Mississippi - R / R / Yes
#6 South Carolina - R / R / Yes
#7 New Mexico - Republican governor/Democratic legislation/SYG law? No
#8 Missouri - R / R / Yes
#9 Georgia - R / R / Yes
#10 Arkansas - R / R / No

Here is what I used as a qualifier for the yes or no stand your ground law: "Yes" are the states with stand your ground laws that specifically articulate that the use of force without the duty to retreat is lawful and that though law enforcement can investigate the situation, no arrest can be made unless it is proven that the use of force was unnecessary.

Where you guys are getting your facts that states with stand your ground laws are safer is beyond me, unless you're just listening to NRA-backed, fact-checking neglectful Fox News. If gun violence was a disease, we would consider gun violence an epidemic. Also, for those of you that think that owning or carrying a gun is a God-given right, that's simply not true - it is a constitutional right in this country. And for you constitutional purists out there, the right to bear arms was not in the original constitution - it wasn't adapted until 1791 when the Bill of Rights was enacted. Yes, you can hide behind your 2nd Amendment, but the constitution is a "living document" that was meant to evolve as the country evolved. Even the Founding Fathers knew it might have to change with the times. Article Five of the Constitution spells it out: "The Congress, whenever two-thirds of both Houses [the House and the Senate] shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution..."

All I have to do is walk around that big "mart" on the corner of 250 and 2 on a busy Saturday afternoon to know that we need to reduce guns in this country, not throw more guns at the problem!

Contango

"...states with the highest gun violence...and states with stand your ground laws"

To point to SYG laws as the primary cause of gun violence is a fallacious argument.

KnuckleDragger

Yet we are supposed to believe a supposed posting of stats without a citation as to where to find them? LOL. Never mind though, the study statistical analysis was done by the Center for American Progress (a socialist think tank) and the Brady Bunch so how could it possibly be biased? Libs throw a fit about the NRA then use an extreme far left organization to try to dispute their claims? I'm downloading a copy of this study as well as several others done by more reputable academic sources. I will be happy to pick apart the CAPs study if you wish. Just a quick glance over the material shows several obvious flaws in research methodology. Seems like this study will be about as useless as the Kellerman study of gun violence of years past. I will leave you with these facts after a 5 min glance at the study. 1) In order to arrival their results they had to include people killed or shot by the police (justified shootings). 2) They included criminals shot by their victims. 3)The state with the most restrictive gun laws (California) had the highest amount of gun deaths. States with the most restrictive gun laws had a total of 2,002 gun related deaths, while the least restrictive states had only 696. It's all a play on the numbers, the Brady Bunch is real good at adding more and more categories to a study in order to come to a conclusion that meets their goals. That is why the most accurate methods of studying gun violence use a mixed methods approach. Simply using numbers (quantitative) can give you whatever result you are looking for if you continue to add or subtract categories.

arnmcrmn

What most liberals do not understand, nor want to ever, is that criminals do not obey laws. They will always obtain guns via illegal sales or theft and use them. Need more good people with guns out there.

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