Randleman pleads guilty

(UPDATED WITH VIDEO 2:50 p.m.) Kevin Randleman pleaded guilty to aggravated murder Friday morning at a hearing in Erie County Common Pleas Court.
Sandusky Register Staff
Aug 25, 2012


(UPDATED WITH VIDEO 2:50 p.m.) Kevin Randleman pleaded guilty to aggravated murder Friday morning at a hearing in Erie County Common Pleas Court.

Friday was to be the start of the second day of the Atkins hearing to determine Randleman's mental capacity, but in a surprise move, Randleman pleaded guilty to the murder of Sandusky police officer Andrew Dunn on March 19, 2011. Randleman also pleaded guilty to having a weapon under disability and carrying a concealed weapon.

Judge Tygh Tone sentenced Randleman to life without parole.

To see photos from the hearing click HERE

By pleading guilty, Randleman gives up many of his rights to appeal his conviction in the case. He will have 30 days to appeal the sentence, but defense attorneys say the do not intend to file any such appeal.

According to the defense attorneys, the guilty plea was made this morning after the state accepted plea terms offered by the defense. 

Family and friends of Dunn were in the courtroom and reacted emotionally to the plea Friday morning.

Get Saturday's Register for full coverage of this developing story. For past stories on the tragic shooting of Ofc. Dunn, his memorial, and the Randleman court proceedings, click HERE.



Well this is no suprise!  I don't see how some defence attys. can live with themselves sometimes!!  Of course he is gonna plead guilty after that hearing!  He has manipulating the system for decades!  Only mentally  handicap here is the judicial system!!!


So now it's the justice system's fault.?  He pleaded guilty because he is guilty.  You want to see revenge but vengence is not yours!  Let the system work.  The defense attorneys are living just fine.......thank you very much!  They usually do!  They took an oath also and it had nothing to do with revenge!


Best outcome possible....life with no parole.  


That "Oath" your talking about don't mean nothing, what raise your right hand a repeat after me B>S>!?  That is only for the good people of this country, bad people take that "oath" too!  Those criminal defence attorney's is whom i'm talking about that help drug dealers and murderers and rapist get off with slaps of a hand because it's there job to get them off with a "technicality" knowing damn well that there client is guilty!  There just as crooked as the P.O.S. there representing!  So take that oath and shove it!


Perfect save the taxpayers all kinds of money and he lives out his years behind bars. Which would have been the same as if they convicted him with the death penalty. Much better outcome than the last time he murdered someone


I figured that would happen.  No trial, no discovery.  I told you this case would never go to trial.

Sit n Spin

Cackle on that !


I do hope that the Dunn Family and the SPD and the community can all heal from this! It'll take time for some to move on quicker then others, A friend in need is a friend indeed!


Like it or not, in this country everyone is entitled to a defense (even if  you think they don't derserve it).  If the prosecution does something wrong, the defense's has to call them out on it.  Even for the (presumed) guilty.  And like it or not, the current law says we don't execute people with diminished mental capacity.  It doesn't matter what you think of all this.  Its the law of our nation.  If you don't like it, move to the middle east where justice is swifter and maybe more to your liking.  Ya take the good with the bad even if it isn't perfect.


I'm delighted to hear the news. Even if Mr. Randleman had gone to trial, been found guilty, and sentenced to death, he would likely have "only" been imprisoned for life. At the rate executions are carried out, he would have waited many years at best, and his inevitable multiple appeals would have cost the state a fortune and tied up resources that could be better spent elsewhere.

There's no "win" here for the family and loved ones of Andrew Dunn. But at least the family and everybody else who lives in Erie County isn't LOSING by it! I can only hope that now that the spectacle of a trial—not to mention the threat of a cop killer—isn't hanging over the Dunn family heads that they'll be able to TRULY begin the healing process.


 This is the best outcome in the long run for all involved.  The Dunn family can start healing. The community can start healing. Justice has been done.

Good 2 B Me

Just guessing here, but I would bet that Justice might just be served behind bars. Time will tell...


 That hand he is facepalming with held a gun that shot a human and killed him. A man that honored us by swearing to protect us.


Sometimes people are innocent Paul.  What about them?


Perfect!! Now go rot you piece of garbage!


I agree with reader " Best outcome possible....life with no parole. "  I would say the evidence was overwhelming. I am glad the Dunn family does not have to sit through a trial.

my oh my

By pleading guilty it removes the chance of death penalty sentence....We will now support him the rest of his life.....SPD should have shot and killed him when they had to pursue him behind FRMC before they caught him...They had every right to shoot and kill at that point.......


Justice has been done and i am well aware of the law, only bad thing is now...he will be looked up too as a hero in prison by his community!  Now as a child molester or a serial killer, you definately have "prison justice" in which everyone knows that verdict! 


wah wah wah some people are not happy no matter what is done....

Life without parole for a person that is in their 50's might be 20 years to maybe 30 years.

To some, that might not be enough for other it may be too much.

Does it really matter now that if he has diminished mental capacity or is smart as Einstein?  No because he pled guilty.

Done deal. 

Leave it alone.


@ my oh my

They were gonna say he was retarded, the death penalty would have been taken off the table anyway and THIS would have been the best deal they could have gotten, so why put the family through a stresssful trial, when even if he had gotten the death penalty there would have been appeal after appeal the family, including two little boys, woulda had to endure, this is best for everyone. We woulda had to support him for another 15-20 years anyway...as for the officers who found him, do you think had they KNOWN Andy was going to pass, the result would have been different, because I do, but at that point, no one knew.  Plus he didnt have the gun, so they shoot an unarmed man??  Really?? Stop watching Law and Order and join me in reality, we now would have been waiting on a trial for whatever cop shot him.......I do get what you mean though.....i know it sounds like im bashing you, but im not....


I didnt say all defence attorneys!  The list could go on,   politics,  religion, women   (hehe)    


 It will be interesting to see how long it takes before prison justice kicks in. Probably quicker then any justice that could have gone through the actual system.


God Bless the Dunn Family!!!!!  Now they can finally heal in knowing this man is not gonna walk a free man again.

He will have his judement day!!!  Though I wish he would have been given the death sentence we dont always get things the way we think we should.

I dont think he should be allowed in general population.  He needs to be in a 6x6 cell with the dunn family photo painted life size on all 4 walls.  That is our way of makin him crazy!!!



Best scenario long term.  A trial would have put the Dunn family through so much more emotionally not to mention open the door for public "input" and Monday morning quarterbacking.  I'm a firm believer ~ what goes around comes around and when it does ~ watch out! 

My thoughts and prayers to the Dunn family.  It is my hope that this brings you the closure that you need to move on as best you can with your lives.  May God bless you and keep you!


Lots of thoughts and prayers with Andy's family and friends and LEO brothers.  It's a good outcome, not costing the tazpayers for a trial, though many of us would rather see Randleman suffer more.

Erie County Resident

To the Dunn family, My heart and prayers go out to you and may you now be allowed to move on.

Not anyone of your supporters here and across the country will ever forget Andrew.

May he now rest in peace.



@ TheScientist, I couldn't agree more with your statement. No need to rip open the wounds to repeat that terrible night in court and submit the family to it again, and again.

To the ones saying why do the taxpayers need to pay for his support for life. I hate to say it but taxpayers already were!   Just look at the hearing that was in progress here.

He couldn't read, write or cash a check by himself, cook, make a living, make inteligent decisions, etc.

He was recieving welfare checks, food stamps, medicaid, dental, vision, SSI, as well as his supplimental cash from drug sales.

Consider it we are just transfering his benifits to a different address. He now also has a full time babysitter to take care of him so his girlfirend doesn't have to watch him. (Selena knew he was this bad, can't be to bright herself to latch on to this loser)


@my oh my

The police have the right to use deadly force not just kill people.


 I know some of the Dunn Family don't believe in the death penalty, so I think for some of them, it's a fair deal. To me however, now the taxpayers will pay for however long he lives in prison, with his  three meals a day, free health, dental and eye. ridiculous to me


I'm sure the defense attorney(s) assigned to represent him were not too thrilled to do so. And...they're, their and there are not the same...3rd grade grammar.




Swamp Fox

How will the critics of Kevin Baxter spin this against him, a plea to all charges as charged.  Good Job Mr. Baxter in a very difficult situation, and hopefully some level of closure for the officer's family and community.


I am glad for the family of Andy Dunn and happy for the city that this is over. Now it can be put to rest.



Hopefully this will bring some closure to the Dunn family

Will this murderer have to allocute as part of sentencing?

Will the police and hospital videos be released?

Perhaps seeing the videos and hearing his confession will bring some closure to the city and allow some healing to continue?




Releasing the videos will not resolve anything.  The videos should be sealed.  If this were your family member would you want the video of his murder everywhere?  All over the nightly news, you-tube, facebook, who knows where...........to some extremist group's website that will call Randleman a hero for being a cop-killer and "here's the video to prove it"?

It is far more important for the family to heal as well as LEO.  The community needs to heal on its own without further feeding its voyeuristic side.

Sit n Spin

Nothing will be gained by releasing those video's to the public.  It will only open the wound that has begun to heal.


Best outcome possible!!   Diminished Mental Capacity????  If you are dead does it really matter what the mental condition of the murderer?  As far as I'm concerned, All murderers, rapists, and pedophiles should be judged equally.  I don't care to have any of them running the streets.  Let's see, If a Psychiatrist says they are okay they can be trusted to be let out of prison?  I don't think so, How many repeat committing the same crimes soon after their release.

   All this said, several years back on 60 Minutes it was stated that to incarcerate a person from 22 years old to 70 years old it cost the states of Florida and New York (then Gov. Cuomo) roughly one million dollars.  By the time the prisoners went through the whole appeals process it cost the states Seven Million Dollars.  There really is a price for justice.

Julie R.

I predicted this would never go to trial just like you can bet the case against the dirt-bag that murdered the 3-year-old never will. Nevertheless, I think this is the best thing for the Dunn family. At least they will be spared from having to watch that video. On the other hand, I don't think prison will be as rough on Randleman as everybody thinks. Like somebody said --- he will probably be looked up to as some kind of hero for killing a cop.   

Sal Dali

He took the coward's way out folks. He wanted to save his own skin period. Murdering a law enforcement officer would have probably gotten him the death penalty in this case. It was overkill; I would even venture to say on a personal level because he shot Andy so many times, maybe even after Andy was already down he continued his attack. They couldn't mount a decent defense for him because they couldn't prove he was incapable of helping his defense or that he was innocent; however, the state could prove he was guilty beyond a shadow of doubt for this crime.. They say they won't file an appeal probably for that reason. I'm not an attorney but if they appeal, he could end up with the death penalty and this coward doesn't want to die, he wants to continue mooching off the system and taxpayers and look like a big man in prison for taking the life of a policeman. Unfortunately for him, prisoners do not run the prisons and he won't be looked upon as a hero by those who do....

His plea only saves money because he cannot file costly appeals for years and years. Putting him to sleep is probably fairly cheap; a firing squad is probably cheaper--the price of a couple bullets but I don't think anyone uses it any longer. It's too bad that when a person is absolutely guilty as he is by his own admission, they can't give out the death penalty without a chance of appeal. Despite the political correctness, it has to be hard for a family to heal when this worthless so and so is still walking and talking while their loved one is gone forever; and to add insult to injury, their tax dollars are also being used to take care of him until his natural death. Prisons are overcrowded as it is and giving these type of offenders the ability to say "okay you caught me, I'm guilty" but "I don't wanna die" and let them off the hook with life doesn't really seem like justice to me. He killed Andy out of hatred, not out of self-defense. He thought he would save his own skin then by killing Andy; he didn't think (in his small mind) he would get caught...no witnesses. He isn't incompetent but he isn't the brightest crayon in the box either and those are two completely different things. Evidently street smarts and intelligence have no correlation. ....hence, they get defense attorneys with the latter.


Yes the case is closed, but the tale of one brave officer  who sacrificed his life for a community that he loved and cared about of all race will live on forever and Sandusky should be proud! 


I hope he ends up in Lucasville.  I know guards there.  It is the most awful prison in the state.  He would surely get his there.


 He should have got the death sentence. Why should we have to support this career criminal.

my eye

Death penalty should have been given weve paid for this loser long enough (and many more)

Just Thinkin

Thats why they call him CACKLE he takes the CHICKEN way out, but most of their kind cant face the music ,Sandusky is full of those wimp chickens


He will be a hero in prison and the video will show AD being an azz to him.


Better than a death penalty!  The cost to taxpayers of endless appeals will be less than feeding him the rest of his life.  Every morning when he wakes up will be like the "Groundhog Day" movie.  Same routine, same food, same associates, same view and he'll know that it will never change.  Just think of being locked up in your home, during winter and not even being able to step outside.  After a while, it will be enough to drive you bonkers.  So that's how his miserable life will end.  There is a God and I thank Him.


The guy will be a king behind bars with a cop killing on his rap sheet.  Also LOL @ the comment "Unfortunately for him, prisoners do not run the prisons and he won't be looked upon as a hero by those who do...."  ...someone obviously doesn't know what they are talking about.

Sal Dali

@ecel...you don't know what you're talking about; get an education before ignorantly spouting off. I suppose you figure the co's will supply him with everything his little heart desires? Let me guess, ..you're streetwise?  Do you really think corrections officers like these type of guys? Obviously you don't know any of those personally either. If you think the prisoners run the prison, try slipping into one with some contraband wiseguy, you'll quickly find out who's running the show.

To Andy's family...I keep all of you in my prayers and hope you find some solice with the court's decision. Andy was one of a kind and a truly decent guy.


“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.” ― Albert Einstein


Good outcome. A trial would have been a waste of time. He's locked up and will never get out. Done, period, end of story. My best to the Dunn family.

Just a Girl

So he can't read, write, walk, talk...But he figured out how to load a gun twice in 20 years (that we know of) and kill 2 men. God bless Andrew Dunn.


Now we will here the tired old words from friends, " he was a good boy".


It makes me sick reading what one low life in this forum has written:


44846GWP says

"Good outcome. A trial would have been a waste of time. "


Oh really, a cop gets killed in cold blood and you're happy there wasn't a trial? Why don't you try and tell that to the family you *sshole. I glad we don't have people you defending our streets, borders and country.


This scumbag cop killer should be riding the lightning.


thefatmantrying: 1. A trial is to find someone guilty or inocent. Who thought he was inocent? No one, so why a trial? 2. A trial would have cost a huge amount of money. Have you been reading about the cost for a trial? 3. Ride the lightning? There is no electric chair in Ohio anymore. 4. I showed no disrepect for the Dunn family and no defense of Randleman. 5. Bite me.


@44846GWP, Didn't you watch the video of Officer Dunn's Mother?.  The family agree to the plea deal.  They wanted it over.


tk: Yes, that is my whole point! I was replying to that pinhead who was b-itching about my first remark.

The Big Dog's back

 44846GWP, you have to try and understand the right wing mind. (fatmantrying) Oh, wait a minute, their is nothing there to understand.


Day of judgement God is calling           On the earth a cackle crawling      Begging mercy 4 his sins                                                       Satan laughing spreads his wings


WOOOOHOOOOOO!!!!....I would have wanted him to die, but life is good, now he has the rest of his life to think about what he did. R.I.P. Officer Andrew Dunn

God Of Thunder

What a coward.... I am glad that Officer Dunn's family doesn't have to go thru anymore of this...It's been long enough for them, and the community...

Too bad they just couldn't fry him in the courtroom or have a firing squad right in Washington Park...

I know...Let's sell rocks to throw at him and donate the proceeds...Nothing but a scumbag

Julie R.

Who is the policeman sitting next to Chief Lang in picture 17 that looks like he's ready to cry? All the pictures are heartbreaking but I found that one the most heartbreaking of all.

May Kevin Randleman burn in the pits of hell. 


 @ Julie R.... That is Ofcr Ken Gauchy (unsure of spelling) he was first officer on seen the night Andy left this world. They were good friends


 To the Dunn family, we love you and we are so happy you do not have to be put through the hell of the trial! Justice has been somewhat served. R.I.P Andy. 2083 GONE BUT NEVER FORGOTTEN... EVER


 Finally this is over. Now the people of sandusky can let his wife and mother get on with their lives.


 IDK... but I don't believe that any of the evidence can be suppressed now, can it? It is all public record, and can/should be released if requested.  There are many families in this country that would like to have records sealed....But, that does not take precedence over our rights by law....  JMO..


 No the video should be sealed. A lot of records get sealed in certain cases. And I think this is one of those cases. And I'm pretty dang sure it is sealed. 


No need to release the video, I will give you a short summary of what you will see in the video from FRMC security cameras.  You will see Ofc Dunn stopping Randleman.  You will see Ofc Dunn going back to his car and then Randleman drawing his gun and shooting at Ofc. Dunn, as Dunn is retreating he returns fire and hits Randleman with a shot.  Ofc Dunn goes down and Randleman goes up to him grabs his shirt and ballistic vest, places his gun underneath and fires several shots into Officer Dunn.  If for a minute anyone thinks that particular move by Randleman doesn't show he knew what he was doing, you are nuts!!!  He was advised to plead guilty because that evidence was damning and the Atkins trial was really not going his way.  The defense knew that a classification of Mildly Mentally Handicapped wouldn't be enough because there is precidence for putting people in that classification to death.  His best option was to plead out for a life sentence.

Sal Dali

@KnuckleDragger...I could have lived the rest of my life not knowing those details; that is even more depraved than I could have ever imagined. Andy was such a good guy. RIP Andy...and God Bless the Dunn family for having the strength to let this loser off. with a life sentence so they could move past this tragedy  My heart goes out to all of you.


 Ahh yes, leave it to Brutus the fruitcake to make this about politics.  Brutus go take your meds, you are losing it again.

Swamp Fox

Only the lowest of the low would try to make this tragedy  political, but then again it is brutie or big dog what ever he calls himself when he slithers from under the rock.  Hopefully the family can find peace while they cherish and honor the memory of their husband, son and father.


 Comical to hear all the blacks say it was not his fault and he shouldn't have got what he got, I love how it's always someone else's fault.

Tired Of The Bull

 SMH at some of these comments.....So sad!!!!!!


I don't think it was any surprise to anyone, and certainly not the Dunn family, that as soon as the death penalty was removed, this man pled guilty. 

That is all the defense was waiting for.  Randleman didn't want to die and the prosecutors didn't want to take it off the table until then. With a legitmate reason to do so, they could do it.  The defense could now ask for life without parole and get it and they did. 

Case closed.  There is no reason to release anything....tapes, video, or anything else other than the public's morbid curoisty to see such things.  The man pled guilty.....case closed. 

I can't picture any further need to release anything, can any of you.  Both Julie and I said that this would happen and it did.  He would plead and he did and got what he wanted. 

Anything further will not happen. 

You might want to take Matt Westerhold's class at BGSU in the fall where he will be disucssing the aftermath of the Randleman trial.  I just got a flyer about it.  Check with BG about it. 


So what happened to his girlfriend & all his cronies claiming  he was an innocent victim?


 God bless Andy, his family and the rest of the officers involved in this horrific situation! 


Best possible outcome. Now the family doesn't have to sit through watching the videos over and over while a defense attorney trys to make a jury believe it was officer Dunn's fault he got killed. All that is left is Erie County Law officers reach out to any contacts they have in the penal system to see he is "warmly" welcomed to his new lifetime home during the intake process. He will be a hero among the inmates for being a sleazeball. P.O.S. cop killer. His standing among the guards will be much lower during his stay.


Super Judge

 im happy that he is never going to see one second of freedom again. we deserve to have the option to see the video though.



 No surprise.  The taxpayers have supported him- his  whole miserable  life,  what's 20 more?


I guess I am glad it is over. Saved Erie County hungreds of thousands of $$$ in a court trial. He has already cost huge amount in feeding/housing him and all these legal actions etc.  Yea, we have got to keep him till the day he draws his last breath but that is what we have been doing since he was born. He has been on some form of public welfare from the day he was born..........had all the special teachers at school etc. He has cost a bundle in $$$ since he was born. Nor sure what GOD had in mind by putting this guy on earth but guess it not mine to question.

I think when given the opportunity he never gave an apology to the Dunn family. That tells me he is not sorry and given the chance he would do it all over again. So I do hope the Dunn family knows that this entire community has shed its tears for them and we wish them some possibility of getting back to a more normal life. The absence of Officer Dunn will never be forgotten but maybe the pain will be less knowing the community cares.



I'd like to direct my comments to the 2 individuals that made comments on the front of the actual paper - Tract Taylor and Alahn Russell.  You both say that My. Randleman is innocent and wasn't out to cause any trouble and that Andy was the one to blame (basically) by pulling him over that night.  So if I'm interpretting your comments correctly if I would go speeding in my car thru town in the middle of the night, running red lights and the police pulled me over it would be okay with you to shoot them and kill them with my illegal gun because the police were harassing me and after all I wasn't doing anything wrong and I wasn't causing any trouble right??? 

Plain and simple, your boy was in the wrong!!!  If you were truly his friend you should have been helping him and making sure that he wasn't breaking the law after the FIRST time he killed a man!  This isn't the first time he has been in trouble since 99 either though so I I guess all those other time he was innocent too and just being harassed by police and he was really not trying to start any trouble then too right? But guess what it'll be the last - well at least on the street!  Behind bars he can get into as much trouble as he wants to and it won't matter.  He's not going to hurt anyone but himself!

RIP Andy!  And now maybe his family and LEO brothers and sisters can begin to really heal! 

Taxed Enough Already

 wiredmama22,  whether he wants to die or not, he's gonna.  We all do, now he just doesn't know how he will die.   His life amongst other murderers could be more horrible than lethal injection.  He and his family don't know who or what will kill him and I guarantee it will be a LOT more painful than the way he would have died.  So maybe he really is going to get HIS justice.  Stay tuned........

Home Town

 I 'am glad it is all over for the Dunn Family , I still cant believe that some people say if the Police did not pull Randleman over this would of never happened , that is true. But he was a Police Officer and has the right to pull any over at any time. And what was Randleman doing carrying a weapon any way. Even if Officer Dunn had his weapon drawn out first , if he did or not that I dont know , but if he did what did Randleman think oh my God !!! I better shoot him before he shoots me . HE IS AND WAS A STONE COLD KILLER THAT NIGHT !!!   I often wonder if it would of been a Black Police Officer that this happened to with the exact same situation , how the public would be reacting ?  I never heard any complaints when many years ago a man by the name of Jim McBee was beat to death by a group of young blacks on Hancock St. Yes he was intoxicated from what I heard and may have yelled some profranity to the group of young men , I'am not saying that he was right for what he said , but he was intoxicated , and instead of the young men just saying  forget about it he has had a little to much to drink , no they decieded to beat him to death . If I outlashed at every one who ever offened me I most likley would of been in jail a long time ago , I hope the public can see that justice has been served ,and I will be Praying for both families , The Dunn Family & The  Randleman , GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU.


I think the public would be reacting exactly the same. Randleman's friends would just have to come up with a different excuse

Hoss McGee

 I guess everytime I get pulled over now I'm just going to say (duh I'm retarded didn't know I was doing anything wrong)! Sad thing about it I know mentally challenged people and they have more common sense then this jack a$$! Guess no more KFC for Douchey Randleman. 

Hometead Honey

Justice has been served.

Hometead Honey

Justice has been served.

Super Judge

Amy and Kevin love Randelman!


Did you see the video Knuckle?  That's a yes or no question.

old lady44870

no justic served.

Hometead Honey he is still breathing

Actually, I spoke to someone shortly after this happened, who told me that they had seen the dashcam video.

3 shots into the chest, then Cackle rolled him over, put his foot onto his neck, and executed him with one shot in the back.  Or maybe one shot into the back, then 3 to the chest.  Don't remember for sure - it was many months ago.

Regardless, this man is not mentally handicapped at all.  He may not have be very intelligent, but her certainly has enough of his faculties to know right from wrong.  He knew exactly what he was doing that night.

That's why there was no trial - if the video would have come out, everyone would know that bigotry or racism was not a factor here.  Reverse bigotry, maybe.

Super Judge

 so far atleast five civilians have seen the video. we all deserve to see it now. we need to know what happened that night. it is owed to us.

Super Judge

 wedge you tend to remember stuff like that not forget. i remember the first person i saw shot to death, the look in his eyes, the void of death, you never forget


Its like this eagle........in today's world, peole think they are owed everything and anything, they deserve the right to be selfish, hurtful and plain stupid. They are owed the ability to see the tragic and horrific death of a member of our community to fulfill their own sick curiosities. Common sense has been replaced with the lack of, respect for others and their privacy has been replaced with self righteous voyeurism, selflessness......well that's simple ~ selfishness. 

Having seen someone shot to death "Super Judge", and knowing the look of death and never forgetting it......I find it distrubing that you want to see more of it.  And while you demand to see the videos of Andrew's death, just what exactly do you contribute to this community that makes you so holier than thou that this community "owes" it to you?  And let me clarity myself:  what POSITIVE contributions have you made to this community?

You are Owed nothing!  On the other hand, we OWE it to the Dunn family to leave them be, to respect their family's privacy, to help them heal and leave the videos sealed!


 To Super Judge....why do you feel that you "deserve" to see the video....anyone can say that they have seen it....they can make things up and you or I will not know if thats the truth....for you to say you deserve to see it is just wrong!! NO ONE should see the video(s)..


Ritt...I agree everyone demanding to see the video think they are so entitled....Andy wouldn't want people to watch him dying...and I can say that w/ absolute certainty since I am a member of his family!!! I miss him very much and for evryone assuming that our family or some members of our faily have seen these horrific videos I can tell you we have not!!!


Ritt...I agree everyone demanding to see the video think they are so entitled....Andy wouldn't want people to watch him dying...and I can say that w/ absolute certainty since I am a member of his family!!! I miss him very much and for evryone assuming that our family or some members of our faily have seen these horrific videos I can tell you we have not!!!


Entitlement!  You sir are so right.  Its beyond what can you do for me when it should be what can I do for you ~ it is now "I'm entitled to........simply because".

More importantly, I am so very sorry for your loss, your family's loss.  I am not family but know some of your family including Andrew.  I am even more sorry that you have to read these posts.  I appreciate your courage here and hope that you and your family can heal if that is even possible.  May God bless all of you ~ !