Obama basks in health care sign-up success — but will it save Democrats?

“The debate over repealing this law is over” he declared. It’s “here to stay”
Associated Press
Apr 2, 2014

 

Mocking his critics, President Barack Obama boasted Tuesday 7.1 million people have signed up for his health care law, an unexpected comeback after a disastrous rollout sent his poll numbers plummeting and stirred fears among Democrats facing re-election this fall.

“The debate over repealing this law is over” he declared. It’s “here to stay”

But the late enrollment surge may do little to change the political dynamics heading into the midterm elections, particularly for Democrats running in conservative states where the health law and the president himself remain deeply unpopular. Even Obama’s advisers acknowledge that the public’s views on the law are unlikely to shift significantly between now and November.

Still, with millions of people now receiving health benefits under the law, Democrats see an opportunity to undercut Republicans still pushing to repeal “Obamacare” And GOP lawmakers, wary of overplaying their political hand, are indeed grappling with whether to press forward with repeal or narrow their focus on replacing the law with different health measures.

In a preview of his party’s midterm messaging, Obama declared Tuesday while the health law isn’t perfect, it is “here to stay.”

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wally44824

Success? I guess considering how God awful this IDIOT has done (on everything) since he took office, he would consider this a success. IMPEACH THE IDIOT!!!!

holysee

You sir are a champion of the teabagging type tinfoil tricorn hat critters.
Dust off your tricorn and install some fresh bags please.
Mom just called and wants you to tidy up your basement home.

MiddleRight

It's a real success when you stated there were 40 million uninsured Americans, you pass a law MANDATING getting insurance, and 7 million comply. Only this administration thinks 17% is a success.

SamAdams

He'd actually be lucky if it proved a wash given all of those that LOST their insurance because of Obamacare! Combine that with the fact that the majority who "enrolled" are signing up for the expanded Medicaid program, and of those who are SUPPOSED to pay premiums, the majority hadn't. I don't know about YOU, but in any business, you can't say something's sold just because somebody picked it up and looked at it!

abigbear

thanks to the king thats all one can afford to do is stay back at home and depend on your family get on there insurance till you get out of diapers and I assume you heard mom call you left out she called down the steps and you could hear her.. and wait till you see the DEATH PANELS start up but then again you are a king supporter so you will be gladdddd when the give your mommy and daddy the death panel drink more of the kool-aid A@@ Hole

bullydogs1971

@holysee you must be one of those fully asleep at the wheel, believing all that is told to you by the established bought and paid for media and your lord and savior...king Barack Obama or is it Barry Soetoro.

meowmix

Now, now wally, I think I hear your mom calling you to put your tin hat back on and come upstairs to take your meds.

holysee

The affaordable health care act is doomed in spite of it's obvious success. Even some faux news tinfoils now support it.

The Big Dog's back

Obama cares.

There you go again

Obama cares about.....himself.

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Reminds me of Bush when he landed on the aircraft carrier and prematurely claimed victory…

Bottom Line

That is hands down the funniest headline I've ever seen in the Register! And they've had some good ones.

pntbutterandjelly

ALL Republicans at ANY level are, by party affiliation, complicit in the shake down of American working class and low income workers.

From now on...I'll vote a straight Democratic ticket. I no longer have any empathy nor will I offer any quarter for them and those who vote for them.

By a one vote margin the new Supreme Court ruling allows for a maximum of $3,500,000 to be donated by any one person. This is INSANE!

"Contributions" (bribes) to politicians and lobbyists by the wealthy are robbing us of our freedoms, liberties, health and voting.

Money begets money and now...our Supreme Court has been bought.

The revolution we had to rid ourselves from the corruption of the King of England has now come full circle. Now..we must fight again.

Darwin's choice

Fool. You're the reason there's directions on shampoo bottles....

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Please explain how you reason Democrats are free from any form of being "complicit", corruption, bribery, etc.?

You do realize that this Democrat-only law guarantees profit to private corporations in the form of your direct tax dollars? I won't tell you how to vote but you aren't going to accomplish any of what you said you want to fix if you vote a straight-Democrat ticket. Especially if you dislike what the King of England did in centralizing power in a distant government that only the rich lords could participate.

MiddleRight

So the same Supreme Court that allowed Obamacare, is now in the bag for Republicans?
You're a hard core D looking to make waves.
Democrats represent 8 of the 10 wealthiest districts in the country.

deertracker

The HATERS lose AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Darwin's choice

“That’s right, the White House said that it surpassed its goal for people enrolled in ObamaCare,” Fallon said. “It’s amazing what you can achieve when you make something mandatory and fine people if they don’t do it. And then keep extending the deadline for months. It’s like a Cinderella story. It’s just a beautiful thing. You make everyone do it. Isn’t it great how many people do it? But if you still haven’t enrolled, you might have to pay a penalty called the individual shared responsibility payment, which is 1% of your salary. Then Americans said, ‘Man, good thing I don’t have a job.’”

From "The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon". Better than the Obama station...

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How many lost their policies, doctors, medicine, stability, or money to afford our President his own personal victory?

"...This is the only path that leads to the castle. Those who really want to make it to the castle must either step over the ones who have fallen or stay here to pave the road for those who have the will to make it...Without doubt, you stepped over the thousands of dead, whose bodies made up the stones to pave your way, and they, for you, have done the same to those before!"

The Big Dog's back

Never, ever do I want to hear someone say both partys are the same.

Supreme Court's rejection of U.S. campaign funding limits opens door for big-money donors

Pete

The UAW had better raise their dues fast. They have competition now.

$300M won't buy them the next election!

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Yes it does, indeed, Big Dog:

2008: Raised/Spent/Votes/$ per Vote
Obama - $778,642,962 / $760,370,195 / 69,498,215 / $10.94
McCain - $383,913,834 / $358,008,447 / 59,948,240 / $5.97

2012: Raised/Spent/Votes/$ per Vote
Obama - ~$1,072,600,000 / ~$985,700,000 / 65,915,796 / ~$14.95
Romney - ~$992,500,000 / ~$992,000,000 / 60,933,500 / ~$16.28

Where is all that extra money from the campaigns? Where does it go? There are answers and if you as vigilant over "the rich" controlling elections as I hope you are, you may not like the answers, but we can find them together.

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HEAR YE, HEAR YE! BY ROYAL DECREE DATED THIS SECOND DAY OF APRIL IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD TWO THOUSAND AND FOURTEEN:

Goode King Obama I (long live the King!) hath declared that henceforth from this proclamation any and all discussion related to His Law is rendered moot; having seen with his own senses that no better nor just law can exist. Any who decry His Law and choose to argue against it is hereby branded Heretic and to be expelled from His Lands else face punishment.

= = = = = = = = = =

Seriously, who does this? Who makes such a declaration to shut down speech, thought, and conversation save for the dictators of banana republics and other sundry political thugs around the globe?
Who is this man that can in one breath both decree that not only is no further discussion allowed but offer the throwaway line of "it's not perfect" implying further discussion is needed to actually somehow salvage this wreck?

Hello, McFly, hello? Anyone there? Does anyone actually listen to the words this man speaks? We apparently now have something that is here to stay, nobody is allowed to talk about, and isn't perfect. WTF? Can he not even read his speeches written by others that are 1/1000th as less in pages than an act he signed into law?

How wonderful that our President gets to bask in this, now how many millions of individuals (let alone those who are working who will lose those unless he continues to illegally change his own law, another aspect of it apparently we aren't allowed to talk about) are wallowing in something else because of it? Oh praise our Dear Leader! Long live the King! He who takes no questions at his victory declaration of names on paper and not actual people helped!

You want single payer? TOO BAD! The President doesn't care about your thoughts. The discussion is over. Go home, single payer advocates there is no room for you in the White House.

You want to empower the individual with other means to offer them health care? GO SUCK AN EASTER EGG! Your thoughts are irrelevant to this imperfect-yet-"here to stay" plan.

You want a party in Congress to stop passing unread, junk laws so they can try to guarantee election perpetuity by ceaselessly adjusting them because they aren't "perfect"? FLY A KITE! This, Obama's basking glory, is more important than your petty requests to actually demand better of your government. You think they represent you to the Federal government, or do they represent the Federal government to you?

worddrow811

Hero, your work is brilliant and informative. Our country has been bought and paid for by those who have the most money. Where will it end?

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Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday struck down a key pillar of federal campaign finance law by allowing donors to give money to as many political candidates, parties and committees as they wish.

In the latest in a series of decisions by the high court that have given big-money donors more influence in U.S. elections, the justices rejected the overall limits on how much individuals can donate during a federal two-year election cycle.

The ruling - a 5-4 decision with the court's more conservative justices in the majority - could have an immediate impact on the 2014 midterm elections, in which Republicans are likely to keep control of the House of Representatives and are seeking to gain six Senate seats to take over that chamber.

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The Hero Zone

Join me in supporting a Congressional term limit amendment.

The Big Dog's back

Like Meowmix said, you're such a drama queen.

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The Hero Zone

Calling me a drama queen does nothing to dispel, disprove, nor discredit anything I said. The door is wide open to do so. Please, by any and all means my good sir. I shall roll out the red carpet for the King's Hound to make an example of me.

Where am I wrong? How? Explain. Point out. Educate. Or will you just give me another "if you don't know I won't tell you" throwaway lines like the President gave by simultaneously declaring all discussion about his law over yet somehow despite it being an absolute it isn't perfect and needs work.

The Big Dog's back

sappy, can you comprehend what you read?

“The debate over repealing this law is over” he declared. It’s “here to stay”

REPEALING! If the Repubs want to improve it, bring it on.

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Repealing all or portions of the law may very well be necessary, however how many times have other ideas been brought up and then neither accepted in the Senate or were overshadowed with a veto threat from the White House (probably with neither body actually reading the bill much like they did with the one they want to fight to protect unless you have a D after your name...then you are allowed to change it willy-nilly at the drop of a hat).

A fool declares options off a table before a discussion about what can be on the table is actually offered. If I want to improve my business but tell a consultant that they are not allowed to look at how I (for example) discount my wares...why even bother? What the heck am I paying him for if I hire him to tell me how to run my business but I tell him how I want to run my business?

Thus, only petty dictators make such absolute statements as if they know it all. Yet here we see not only the page count of the law bloated but all the egos attached to it that refuse to actually address the problem.

SamAdams

Some things can be fixed. Some things can be fixed but it's too expensive or daunting to be worthwhile. You've never had a car totaled? You've never given up on a broken DVD player? Sometimes, it's cheaper -- and almost ALWAYS it's less frustrating -- to toss whatever it is and start anew.

Obamacare is too convoluted and complex to be fixed. It has too much that is broken, too many non-working parts, and what little DOES work might not be worth salvage. A repeal is necessary before we can start from scratch and, hopefully, do it RIGHT for a change!

There you go again

Amen.

coasterfan

Good point, Sam. And that's exactly what we're doing with Obamacare. The old system was too expensive and couldn't be fixed. So, we started from scratch with Obamacare.

Donegan

The old system was to expensive? Its the same people getting money i. e the insurance companies. Only a fool would think the government forcing people to buy from the same corporations would save money. YOUR STILL FOOTING THE BILL.
A prime example of the democrat electorate, low information folks who dream big but cannot realize reality.

Bottom Line

We all know that's not big dog's style. Fact is a four letter word to him.

The Big Dog's back

The cynicism of the GOP’s anti-Obamacare strategy has been obvious forever, but some particular kinks in it only became clear as the enrollment deadline approached and it seemed the Obama administration would not just meet but beat its public-exchange enrollment target. Republicans went from shrieking about what an awful program it was to complaining that not enough people had signed up, and then, when the goal was met, complaining that not enough uninsured people had gotten coverage, and of course lying about that, too.

The lunacy of their complaint – “This program is a nightmare – but not enough people are being helped by it!” – is like the old joke about the kvetchy restaurant patron who complains the food is terrible, and the portions are too small. It would be funny if it weren’t sad.

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You forgot your reference, here you go. I got your back, Big Dog:
http://www.salon.com/2014/04/02/...

Yeah, it's an opinion piece, but you're trying and I appreciate that. Just be sure to cite your sources.

The Big Dog's back

Is it not what you and the other right wingnuts have said?

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When a law is passed, I am going to presume that it is done so because it is meant to address a certain issue. As well it is supposed to create some kind of expectation as well as be understood by those it effects, even if they don't like it. When a law that literally affects every citizens' wallet and life is passed, there should be a reasonable expectation that even though they don't like it they can at least attempt to engage the law in good faith.

We are seeing, however, the law is being continuously moved, redefined, expanded, explained, and all other manner of ceaseless tweaks. How is there any reasonable expectation that the very nature of Law, let alone this specific one, is being acted upon in any reasonable way of good faith when it is subjected to ceaseless manipulation?

How would you feel if 250 was made into a 30 MPH road with no prior warning, discussion, or notice? Then, even after you grumble and attempt to accommodate your life you see that the increased police presence has been set up to for compliance with that law. But, in actuality, you can go 60 MPH without any penalty and the cost of extra police and signage, let alone lawsuits around how the law was passed, is actually for naught.

I

If Big Dog's post is more than one or two sentences long, you can bet he likely stole the words from another. Other than hurling insults, he has no original thoughts of his own.

KURTje

Some here are stressing. Time for an aspirin/and or Pepto -Bismo.

Pete

I find it funny that idiots believe Baghdad Barry and his band of merry morons. Anything they say is suspect. They lie. It's what they do best.

"If you like your current plan you can keep it"

mikeylikesit

i had a dog when i was a kid. he liked anything nasty, rotting fish, poop from rabbits and other dogs. he always got on his back and rolled in it. i guess to him this was basking in success, kinda like obozo is apparently doing..

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thinkagain

Maybe you should cut back on the bong hits doper, while you still have a couple functioning brain cells. Oops, too late…

mikeylikesit

go back to your fairytale world mr phelps. you and your fairytale religion suck..

mikeylikesit

you should take a few hits. your brain is not doing you or anybody else any good trying to spread your fantasies. i think for myself. i sure dont need your b.s. you closet homo..

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thinkagain

Matthew 5:11-12 Thank you for the blessing!

Such hostility and hatred, I thought being a pothead made one a mellow dude.

Your anger is a sign of a serious psychological problem. Welcome to the thinkagain troll fan club, All my other fan boys are nutso too.

mikeylikesit

up yours and your mothers too..

meowmix

"I had a dog when i was a kid. he liked anything nasty, rotting fish, poop from rabbits and other dogs. he always got on his back and rolled in it."

Maybe that's why he liked you... nasty.

Darwin's choice

So, what happened today with the Benghazzi hearing? Funny how oblama is throwing up a smokescreen while someone's about to get thrown under the bus. What timing.
And, another shooting at Ft. Hood? Unbelievable! Prayers to the victims.

Our country is falling apart, and you cheerleaders sit here watching like a bunch of clapping seals waiting for your next fish....

SamAdams

Oh, stop it! We've got free birth control! Rejoice!

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Isn't that the only thing that defines you as a woman is your access to "free" birth control and abortive drugs? That's all I hear in the news. Apparently employment, education, individuality, and the opportunity to be yourself are of secondary importance. As long as you can shut down your reproductive capability that's all that matters and defines your gender, Sam. Didn't you know that what is between your legs is more important than what's between your ears? Nothing else matters.

But what do I know? I'm a white male. Do you need oppressed? I'm not oppressing anyone right now. Gotta fulfill my duty to society.

SamAdams

Thanks, but no thanks. I'm already being adequately oppressed by "The Man!" Besides, don't you have a wife to to make miserable or a daughter to raise to be helpless without a man? I'd hate to take away time and energies doubtless so precious to a white male!

P.S. In fairness to white (and other) males everywhere, the oppression by "The Man" is far from limited to women!

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Haha! You're right, what was I thinking? You reminded me of this "film review" from The Onion, it was really amusing:

http://www.theonion.com/video/th...

pntbutterandjelly

Straight Democratic ticket is the answer.

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Sorry I must have missed where you described how that party let alone advocating for a single party system helps us. You must have done research into this since your wish is to convert this audience into party - first loyalists. Please share that with me since I missed it.

pntbutterandjelly

I wish Barack could run again.

mikeylikesit

me too. back to kenya..

pntbutterandjelly

No more Bushs' ever.

mikeylikesit

but we will keep the baked beans and the talking dog.

pntbutterandjelly

Hilary in 2016.

mikeylikesit

in prison..

pntbutterandjelly

Vote Republican ONLY if you can afford it.

anthras

Re:"Vote Republican ONLY if you can afford it."

Well we know that the Democratic congressmen can afford it.

mikeylikesit

im voting democrat these days. im hoping for a sweet gun deal!!

pntbutterandjelly

Vote Republican if you;
*want your wages lowered
*want your job outsourced
*want your wife, girlfriend or mother to make less than a guy doing the same work
*want your Social Security lowered or eliminated
*want your Medicaid lowered or eliminated
*want your Medicare lowered or eliminated
*want high-income earners taxes lowered or eliminated
*think corporations are "people"
*think the minimum wage should be lowered or eliminated
*want more illegal wars
*hate all blacks, gays, Hispanic, women or our youth
*don't care about our environment
*want more subsidies for Big Oil
*are for corporate schools
*think the elderly, sick and poor are expendable
*feel the wealthy should be our rulers

Otherwise...vote for Democrats.

anthras

Re:"*want your wife, girlfriend or mother to make less than a guy doing the same work"

Check the stats since obama has been president especially those working in the WH

Re"*want your Medicare lowered or eliminated" Yea if you would keep up on the news you might know that obama is cutting 492billion from medicare to help support obamacare.

I would comment on some of the others however they are to absurd.

pntbutterandjelly

The G.O.P. is for the wealthy or for those who don't care for anyone else.

anthras

Re:The G.O.P. is for the wealthy or for those who don't care for anyone else."

Are you saying the GOP is for the Democratic congressmen because they are wealthier than the GOP congressmen

pntbutterandjelly

The G.O.P. has ALWAYS been for the aristocrats.

Donegan

Like the civil rights bill.

pntbutterandjelly

Soon.....the A.C.A. will be helping those who are now against it.

SamAdams

Really??? So those appallingly high premiums will go DOWN soon? Projections are uniformly suggesting premiums will go up; some projections suggest the increases will be dramatic. What do you know, pntbutterandjelly, that all of the experts apparently don't?

grumpy

But, but obama PROMISED it would go down $2500 for the average family of four. Are you trying to say he was mis-informed? Or (gasp!) he lied so he could pass that 2500 page monstrousity? Along with keeping your plan if you like it and keeping your doctor if you like it. After all we had to pass it so we could see what is in it... and now it doesn't matter what is in it... it changes every week or so, For at least 38 times.

Donegan

Soon..... the ACA will sink us further in debt while taking away choice.

pntbutterandjelly

The G.O.P. is for wealthy white men.

Donegan

The Democrats make everyone poorer.

pntbutterandjelly

The only way a G.O.P. candidate can win an election is by hook or crook.

Donegan

Following Obama's example of lies and backroom deals (Look up how he ran unopposed )

pntbutterandjelly

G.O.P. candidates are heartless slaves to their own slave masters.

Donegan

The G.O.P Is a party that was actually created to rid the country of slavery.

pntbutterandjelly

G.O.P. candidates are prostitutes to the almighty dollar donors.

Donegan

Thats why Obama was directly supported by all the big bad banks in 2008.

pntbutterandjelly

Save America...vote.

Donegan

Vote third party.

pntbutterandjelly

Most Republican voters are just very, very confused Democrats.

Donegan

Democrats are just dregs of society banding together for free stuff.

pntbutterandjelly

The Republicans are running out of voters as the truth of their schemes are unveiled.

Donegan

Actually watch the midterms and the democrats get stomped. The pendulum is swinging again.

pntbutterandjelly

Save the country...educate a Republican.

Donegan

Trying to convert someone with brains to communism never works, they know better.

pntbutterandjelly

Save a Republican...educate him.

pntbutterandjelly

The Republican motto is; If you can't win... lie, cheat or steal.

Donegan

In the last 6 years it seems you have that backwards...

pntbutterandjelly

The Republican party fears(!) educated people.

Donegan

Those inner city hoodlums that want their free phones are those we fear, in other words democrats.

pntbutterandjelly

80% of the American voters wants less money for candidates. Why do Republicans flock to the wealthy?

Donegan

2012 Obama raised over 1 billion dollars, hypocrite.

pntbutterandjelly

Democrats are more God fearing than Republicans.

SamAdams

Oh, thanks for THAT, pntbutterandjelly! I just spewed coffee all over my keyboard!

pntbutterandjelly

Our government is being bought by the wealthy through Republicans.

Donegan

The democrats are actually wealthier than republicans these days. As you democrats like to spout about poor white southerners on snap and gov assistance tend to vote repb.

coasterfan

It's interesting to note that, as it becomes more obvious that the Affordable Health Care Act IS going to work, the Republican response becomes more hysterical and more critical.

Their comments are equal parts frustration and worry, for they surely must know that fewer and fewer people will believe the false stories of Obamacare gloom and doom they've been peddling for the past few years.

Two or three weeks ago, the GOP thought it was huge that the signup wouldn't reach the original CBO prediction of 7 million. It was mentioned every other minute on Fox News and by the Feces Throwers who make up Conservative Talk Radio. Then, when signup reached 7.1 million, suddenly, it didn't matter that the goal was reached. They simply shifted their argument to a silly excuse that the numbers were "baked". Of course, they DID believe the numbers when signup was poor early on, but as soon as the numbers made Obama look good, suddenly the numbers couldn't be trusted. I would say that it is they who cannot be trusted.

The big question Republicans refuse to answer: why are they fighting SO hard to deny healthcare to millions of Americans?

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Awww, can I have your hand at this dance again where you make a comment with no support, ask a question, and after it is answered and others are asked of you you have absolutely no reply? I am not even a flag-waving GOPer and I can address this loaded question you put forth. It actually is frustrating that there isn't any kind of cohesive GOP response to such nya-nyas as this.

But unless you actually care to have it answered, I'd prefer to not continue to spin in circles with you as you continually repeat the same lines like a broken record.

Throw your unsupported, abandoned one-shots elsewhere please.

I

Does anyone actually believe that Obama was ever not going to claim that the 7 million goal was met? I'll wager that there will be a White House memo sent out some late Friday afternoon down the road, probably after the November elections, revising that number to one much smaller.

I

And, can somebody please check on pb&j, I think he hit his head. Sure hope he got his Obamacare!

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Yeah I'm kind of concerned. Either he snapped or he's actually trolling the Democratic party by bringing any semblance of civility and intellectual honesty it offers crashing down like the Hindenburg. If I were a Democrat I'd be embarrassed to have someone like this as a megaphone advertising the party. If anything he says actually convinces someone to join the party, that party will be receiving the same kind of quality that PBJ put into his recruitment, and...the cycle continues.

Admittedly it is useful when you have energetic people who will memorize one-liners and just spew them out. But as this is odd behavior for PBJ perhaps we should err on the side of caution and hope it was just his account getting hacked or he suffered a momentary breakdown and will resume his normal life again soon?

If it turns out this was a deliberate effort...

What's sad though is that he's not the only one on here that represents that party in such a way. To truly make it tragic, those enacting this style of behavior have a disconnect between what they do here and what the Westboro church does to gays and service member funerals. Or we can even invoke the rape comments then-candidate Akin made and the fury they created.

It's why I long for someone with an overt Democratic affiliation (or even just a "left-leaning" Independent) to appear on these boards and actually have intellectually stimulating conversation where an honest exchange of ideas occur. I would personally be honored to engage in such conversations and support that person as a friendly rival that I may disagree with but respect the hell out of for his effort.

Right now it's mostly just a parade of one-shotters who we can imagine in parody fly back to HQ after dropping their "bombs of truth". There. after high-fiving each other for their accomplishment, they proceed to smell each other's outstretched index fingers and chuckle silently at some unknown situation, joke, or context until their next orders come down the pipe.

meowmix

At least I know I don't have to worry if my health care plan covers medications for insomnia, I'll just read a couple of Hero's posts.

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I am always happy to help. Let me know if I can be of further service to you! Your support of my points, as long as they may be, is appreciated.

eriemom

I would like to see a single payer system in place. With that being said, I am happy that millions of Americans can now afford to see a doctor and receive medical treatment.

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Will you work with those of us who want more and better than the ACA has to offer even if the ideas are different? I really want to rally people up and stop any feelings of actual satisfaction with this law. While I personally don't think single payer is the way to go, I am happy that people are willing to stand up with their own ideas and want something they think is better instead of defending a broken law. Thank you.

eriemom

More and better than ACA would be single payer IMHO. Think about the history of Social Security. It changed over time as I suspect that ACA will.

grumpy

Obamacare has changed 38 times since it was signed. I don't think many think it has been changed for the better as most have been waivers for a year or so. It was just obama paying off those who supported him. How does him giving special deals to those who support him help the People?

SamAdams

Only if you count "paying off" as "protecting Democrats in Congress!"

The waivers don't do anything except delay the worst of the pain until after the midterm elections. If he were actually paying off SUPPORTERS, the unions wouldn't be so peeved (serves 'em right, by the way, since they were in lockstep with their Dear Leader when Obamacare was being rammed down our throats).

grumpy

Re: "the unions wouldn't be so peeved (serves 'em right, by the way, since they were in lockstep with their Dear Leader when Obamacare was being rammed down our throats)."

That was right up till their lawyers actually read the dman thing and realized that many of their Cadillac heath insurance plans would kick in a "fine" for being too good. Then the screaming and moaning started.

For full disclosure I am under a union health insurance plan and they will be fined or made to pay extra for MY Cadillac plan. But and it is also a big but... I am grandfathered in and won't personally have to pay the "fine". Those already retired don't pay. Those still working and those now retiring will pay.

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It's because of the history of Social Security that I'm worried. Look at the state it is in after all these years and changes. It's own actuaries see it as dying and the "lock box" is filled with IOUs. That's what has me concerned.

If you could paint the picture for me, what does your ideal system look like? This isn't a gotcha question, I am curious since you have been civil and thoughtful about humanity at large and not protectionist over the ACA.

coasterfan

It's hard for us Democrats to understand the level of vitriol some Republicans have towards Obama.

With Bush, the reasons to hate him were many, huge and obvious. He was asleep at the wheel prior to 9/11. He lied to the American people about non-existent WMDs, which gained him support to drag America into two disastrous wars. He took us from a budget surplus to a multi-trillion dollar deficit through those 2 unfunded wars. He oversaw the housing meltdown, banking crisis, the loss of more than 6 million American jobs. And, oh yeah, the worst Recession in more than 80 years.

He has been out of office for more than 5 years, and we are STILL feeling the adverse effects of his presidency. Just this week, we learned that he and Cheney lied to Congress and the American people about "enhanced interrogation techniques", which is the term you use when you don't want Americans to know that you blatantly engage in torture, which is against international law, the Geneva convention, etc.

Every president has successes and failures, but I see nothing on Obama's 'failure list" that comes anywhere close to the massive Bush failures. And here's how you can judge it: if it's covered on EVERY news outlet (as was the case with each and every one of the things on the above Bush Failure list), it's likely true. If it's only covered on Fox, or only covered on MSNBC - and NOT covered elsewhere - its veracity is questionable.

No POTUS is perfect, but I'll take the guy who ended the recession, saved the auto industry, oversaw the return of 5+ million of the jobs lost during the Bush years. I'll take the guy who cut the deficit in half, the guy who brought healthcare to millions of Americans who didn't have it before. Any ONE of those things singlehandedly makes him a more successful president than the previous guy.

There are only 2 reasons to vote Republican: either you're rich and heartless, or poor and brainless.

meowmix

Further proof of the Bush years taking it's toll just happened again with the killing of 3 Ft. Hood soldiers and wounding of countless others due to a kid likely suffering from PTSD after only 4 months in Iraq. Thanks George.

grumpy

Thank you for showing the proof of your allegation, other wise i would think you just pulled it out from your a... But since you made such well thought out examples and made your point so well I can't possibly think that. Thanks for going into such depth for saying why you think that way. It is enlightening.

grumpy

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Dr. Information

meow. His stint in Iraq was in 2011, well into your messiah's presidency. Remember, he want's everyone home. NOT.

wasthere

Sounds like you've been eating out of the litter box again.

SamAdams

Oh, boo, hoo. Turns out he never got even CLOSE to combat! I'm not saying he wasn't NUTS because he obviously was. What I'm saying is that it wasn't related to the war in Iraq (or anywhere else) since he'd never even SEEN war! Additionally, his four whole months in Iraq weren't served during the Bush administration, but under the Obama administration in 2011. You know, the one that said we'd be OUT of Iraq by 2008 or 2009? That one?

Another political point of interest: Had the other soldiers been armed (and let's not pretend THEY'RE not trained to handle firearms!), he would have been stopped, maybe killing only himself. But thanks to Bill Clinton (a Democrat), soldiers are universally DISarmed at places like Ft. Hood. Nice.

grumpy

Actually the disarming of soldiers started under the first bush, but was expanded quite a bit under clinton.

The Big Dog's back

sam, the Repubs had 8 years to rearm them. Why didn't they?

Donegan

You are the reason this country is going down hill. You are blind to facts when it comes to your own party. Obama is no different than Bush in any way as he has followed Bush's playbook almost to a T. Will you blame the bubble that is building on Bush or Obama seeing everyone can see what it is and has accelerated in the last 6 years. Namely the currency Bubble. You cannot print over a trillion a year without it going badly.
P.S Obama didn't save anything If we are out of the ressesion why are they still bailing out? As for those 5 million jobs, Those same workers need assistance to live as the prices for everything doubled because of this jerk.

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The Hero Zone

I appreciate your counterpoints but ultimately they are futile since coasterfan never seems to be able or willing to refute them or explain his own. At least Big Dog has the decency to reply most of the time and is why I favor him.

But this is par for the course for coasterfan unfortunately. It's easy to take party-biased talking points and throw them out there as they'll hopefully act like horseshoes and hand grenades. Maybe he'll land a point close enough to someone someday who never asks questions and will be just as blindly loyal a member as he is.

Dr. Information

Of the 7 million signed up, only 23% didn't have insurance to begin with. That folks is what you call a massive failure.

KURTje

Sure hope Gen. Powell runs for CIC. He knows much & has a proven record.

grumpy

He would be almost 79 if he got elected... 9 years older than Reagan was... doesn't seem likely.

Darwin's choice

Just out today....the "real" obamacare numbers....

1.2 million new enrollees that have paid up. Not 7.1....1.2.

4.5 Million new medicaid enrollees (that were eligible anyhow)

Obama care is the colossal flop that everyone here said it would be.

Your President is a liar. (National Center of Public Policy)

Also, this doesn't count the 6,286,357 that had their policies outright cancelled.

pntbutterandjelly

America is at threat!

As a former long-term and STAUNCH Republican I can no longer condone or affiliate myself with what that party has now shamelessly become.
By every sense of thought, word and action they now are beholding to and ONLY seek out those who have the most but yet want more. They have become well-paid pawns and mouth pieces for the Aristocrats, Mega-wealthy, Income Elite, Plutocrats, Oligarchs, Entitled and Power-hungry of America.

They are systematically trying to dismantle everything that the U.S. has stood for, believed in and has fought for.

The Republican Party is now for;
*Keeping American workers’ wages stagnant, out sourcing jobs, reducing benefits and stealing retirements while giving more tax breaks, loopholes and special privileges to huge corporations and extremely wealthy donors who care only for their own personal agendas.

*Reducing or eliminating Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, A.C.A., EPA, Voting Rights, Minimum pay, pay equality for women, social equality and any other programs and laws which provide for the general health, well-being, incomes, fairness, protections and voices for the masses who have built this country and by which would be not only morally correct but spurn our economy as well.

*De-regulation of banks, manufacturing and Wall Street in an extremely contorted meaning of “free enterprise”.

*Rhetoric and propaganda based on repetitious lies, threats and scare tactics in order to deceive and separate Americans from uniting against this vile and obvious theft of our true Democratic processes, American values and “all for one and one for all” beliefs.

*Extremely centralized power into the hands of a few with no concern for anyone else unless they too can contribute millions of dollars.

*Illegal and immoral wars through additional deception by which we shed our sons’ and daughters’ blood and the nation’s treasury for the profits of Halliburton and others and the glorification of a few.

*Wide-sweeping obstructionism that would benefit the lives of working class Americans and without regard to America’s future.

*Corruption, graft, greed, hush money and favoritism at the highest levels.
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With each passing day they are trying to turn OUR America into a 3rd. world class country. They will not quit until our incomes and voices are suppressed equal to or lower than what workers in China and India now receive so the wealthy may benefit from ever greater profits and power. Their ultimate goal is to achieve Global Dominance and New World Order under their explicit control. When that is accomplished…they will have complete dominance for themselves.
~~~
This all may sound harsh but coming from a former Republican…I now see where this once caring party has gone. Their values no longer represent mine. Their greed-ridden beliefs are no longer in line with Christianity.

Do see this all happening right before your eyes?
Are you willing to live under the rule of a few?
Has your income, livelihood, standard of living or future been affected?
Are you concerned about you son’s or daughter’s future?
Do you think their intentions are fair or in America’s best interests?
Are you angry, worried or frustrated?
Are you sick and tired of it?

If so…please copy and paste this piece and pass it on or just make printed copies and pass it on to family, friends and co-workers.

Together and by VOTING at every election…we can and will make America great again.

I’m trying to do my part. Now…It is time for you to help yourselves!

pntbutterandjelly

America is at threat!

As a former long-term and STAUNCH Republican I can no longer condone or affiliate myself with what that party has now shamelessly become.
By every sense of thought, word and action they now are beholding to and ONLY seek out those who have the most but yet want more. They have become well-paid pawns and mouth pieces for the Aristocrats, Mega-wealthy, Income Elite, Plutocrats, Oligarchs, Entitled and Power-hungry of America.

They are systematically trying to dismantle everything that the U.S. has stood for, believed in and has fought for.

The Republican Party is now for;
*Keeping American workers’ wages stagnant, out sourcing jobs, reducing benefits and stealing retirements while giving more tax breaks, loopholes and special privileges to huge corporations and extremely wealthy donors who care only for their own personal agendas.

*Reducing or eliminating Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, A.C.A., EPA, Voting Rights, Minimum pay, pay equality for women, social equality and any other programs and laws which provide for the general health, well-being, incomes, fairness, protections and voices for the masses who have built this country and by which would be not only morally correct but spurn our economy as well.

*De-regulation of banks, manufacturing and Wall Street in an extremely contorted meaning of “free enterprise”.

*Rhetoric and propaganda based on repetitious lies, threats and scare tactics in order to deceive and separate Americans from uniting against this vile and obvious theft of our true Democratic processes, American values and “all for one and one for all” beliefs.

*Extremely centralized power into the hands of a few with no concern for anyone else unless they too can contribute millions of dollars.

*Illegal and immoral wars through additional deception by which we shed our sons’ and daughters’ blood and the nation’s treasury for the profits of Halliburton and others and the glorification of a few.

*Wide-sweeping obstructionism that would benefit the lives of working class Americans and without regard to America’s future.

*Corruption, graft, greed, hush money and favoritism at the highest levels.
~~~~
With each passing day they are trying to turn OUR America into a 3rd. world class country. They will not quit until our incomes and voices are suppressed equal to or lower than what workers in China and India now receive so the wealthy may benefit from ever greater profits and power. Their ultimate goal is to achieve Global Dominance and New World Order under their explicit control. When that is accomplished…they will have complete dominance for themselves.
~~~
This all may sound harsh but coming from a former Republican…I now see where this once caring party has gone. Their values no longer represent mine. Their greed-ridden beliefs are no longer in line with Christianity.

Do see this all happening right before your eyes?
Are you willing to live under the rule of a few?
Has your income, livelihood, standard of living or future been affected?
Are you concerned about you son’s or daughter’s future?
Do you think their intentions are fair or in America’s best interests?
Are you angry, worried or frustrated?
Are you sick and tired of it?

If so…please copy and paste this piece and pass it on or just make printed copies and pass it on to family, friends and co-workers.

Together and by VOTING at every election…we can and will make America great again.

I’m trying to do my part. Now…it is time for you to help yourselves!

Ned Mandingo

Most of those people signed up thinking they were getting free insurance. Once they realized how much it cost they closed the page. Only a small percentage actually paid for coverage.

totallyamazed

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It's not complicated nor difficult to sign up for the Affordable Care Act. I signed up eleven times.

HA!
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