Obama plans to change overtime pay

Bypassing Congress, President Barack Obama intends to order changes in overtime rules so employers would be required to pay millions more workers for the extra time they put in on the job.
Associated Press
Mar 13, 2014

The rules, which would not likely take effect until 2015, are aimed at workers currently designated as supervisory employees but who are exempt from overtime because they get paid a salary of more than $455 a week.

Obama plans to order his Labor Department to recommend regulations that would increase that salary threshold and change the definition of what constitutes a supervisor.

The president’s directive, to be announced today, leaves the details of a proposed rule to the Labor Department, which is not expected to come up with a recommendation before the fall. Still, it drew swift protests from Republicans, who complained he was sidestepping Congress and from the business community, who said such rules would increase burdens on employers.

“How does he expect us to work with him?” complained Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. “It’s just a poisonous relationship”

The salary limit separating those who get overtime and those who don’t was increased to $455 in 2004 during the Bush administration. At the time, it hadn’t been increased since the mid-1970s.



And automation, robots, computerization, etc spend how much on the products they produce? ZERO!!!! Interesting fact is the stock market continues to make money; where does that come from? THE WORKER, what there is left of them.


Re: " the stock market continues to make money; where does that come from?"

Answer: The Federal Reserve's ZIRP and QE monetary policies.


@contango....off the backs of hard working men and women in this country who put in a long days work for their bosses who then take the money that is made by those men and women. Not the Fed, etc that you listed. It comes from the big shots who own the companies and from those who have workers to pay off the boards of directors who are screaming for their dividends....that is where the money comes from. Oh, yes, tell them to work harder...just what they need to hear. So the boards of directors and the investors can get more money because they are greedy and want bigger dividends off their investments and they want them now....just like everyone wants everything right now. This is what computers gave us. INSTANT GRATIFICATION. PUSH A BUTTON>>>YOU HAVE IT.


Re: "the big shots who own the companies,"

You mean the stockholders?

How could workers have jobs without capital (risk) investment?

Do you have any retirement investments, e.g. mutual funds, stocks, bonds, et. al?

If so, how are you not hypocritical?


You may (or may not) want to give Contango some slack. You need to understand that his contorted remarks are caused by having too much time on his hands with too few genuine thoughts (have you ever noticed he has to always "snip" as novel thoughts are too strenuous or copy and paste some other contrived "facts"?) (I no longer rebut his comments as my time is too valuable and...I'm positive it angers him to no end.)


See response below Paul.


I like what you told your daughter pooh, "work harder."


Re: "work harder."

Yep! It's cross-generational theft, kookie.


Ah yes. Capitalism without restraints. THAT'S what we need! NO government intrusion! NO restraints! NO mandates! NO laws, rules, regulations, principles or intervention!

Some of you are, sadly, under the mistaken idea that this nation doesn't already operate under a "socialized" system of governance. Likewise some of you have forgotten this nation was built under "we the people". That "we" means "together". THE facts are, "We are all taxed and those proceeds are spent with little direct input on our parts." (That is...until of late.) Now...once you get (if you can)your heads wrapped around that very simple reality of American life...we can move forward. From that point we next get to where most all political arguments actually emanate from. That is, "I want all of my tax money I can get back and in some people's minds...more than their fair share." And...they'll go to any lengths to accomplish that outcome. People of ALL ethnics, religious backgrounds, income strata and political temperaments are guilty of this very innate and human weakness.

Now the problem is that money (the great American remedy of all woes inclusive of self-professed "morality")has infiltrated our nomination processes, election processes and their consequential guidance (government!!) processes. Money. Those with more get more representation. Those with more have more influence. Those with more have more control. Money.

"Free enterprise" and "capitalization" have now become dirty words meaning greed. (Is it any wonder the Europeans have for 4 decades called us, "Dirty Americans"?)

"United we stand and divided we fall" has been replaced by another more sinister dogma of, "I'll get all I can as soon as I can by any means possible". "Skrew everybody else." "I'll buy my way into control." "I'll spread malice, division,lies and hatred if I must but...I'll get MINE." "All I need is more money." Money.

This new American dog-eat-dog society has become a hideous remnant of a former well-oiled economic machine that had once been envied even by the aforementioned other nations. Now it is becoming a vile monstrosity bathed in its own putrefied stench of attaining more and more and more...money. Money.

This isn't the country I knew before. This isn't the country of my father or grandfather. This isn't the country our founding fathers envisioned. This isn't the country of equal rights. This isn't the country of economic opportunity. This isn't the country of equal education. This isn't the country of "all for one and one for all". This is the country of those who control the money, who control the power and who want more than their fair share.

So if you are the type who want to eliminate "government intervention" and therefore favor eliminating social security, social equality rights for everyone, equal pay regardless of gender, equal educational opportunities, environmental impacts, workplace safety standards, food and medical safety standards and ever other program that has been instituted "by government" in the last 200 years for our health, safety and MUTUAL benefit ....then I must say, "You are part of the problem". You are part of the greater problem due to wearing blinders caused by shallow and selfish thinking.

I know there are those of you here who post daily and who will relish in dissecting, criticizing, chastising and twist my words into something you feel gratification in and in order to put your own bias on...that's okay because I also know you won't change and don't care to change your thinking.

Before you do though I sincerely suggest you look yourself in the mirror. Look deeply into your eyes and see where YOU are at fault. If then you find you have absolutely no fault...

Pterocarya frax...

Thank you for taking the time and effort to articulate so well, what many of us know in our hearts, but don't have the time or rhetorical skills to lay it out so well.

Well done PBJ.


Pterocanya frax; Thank you for your kind words. It infuriates and saddens me a great deal to see the direction our country has and is taking. There is far too much money concentrated in too few hands. And with this money they are wrenching voters with divisive propaganda that further entraps those same voters.

* Keep on posting your thoughts. It gets easier and easier with time. And...don't pay any attention to those who try to drag you into an argument. Okay?


Re: "There is far too much money concentrated in too few hands."

Yep! The Washington/Wall St. revolving door of corporatism.



Re: "don't pay any attention to those who try to drag you into an argument."

i.e. you've made up your mind, it's settled and no reason for debate?

Reeks of dogmatism.


Re: "Capitalism without restraints."

In a free-market, capitalist society, govt. would act as the mediator and arbitrator, NOT as the judge, jury and owner of the means of production.

Do you have any retirement investments, e.g. mutual funds, stocks, bonds, et. al?

If so, how is what you have written not hypocritical?


Excellent---In reference to PB & J's observations


Thank my Lady.

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I have no comments regarding the example of being unrestrained as I don't see anyone professing that here including myself. In the case of all-or-nothing deregulation I am with you as it is nonsensical that anyone would profess or even think at some point we had a completely free market. Even in the case of "the invisible hand", there are still regulatory forces at work. So don't take that as criticism, take it as hope that the wild, wild west of economics could never truly exist. Especially when coupled with the notion Adam Smith continues in another work essentially stating that everyone wants to be seen as someone who warrants respect in their community especially when their wealth places them at the focus of attention.

Now regarding said wealth playing a role in politics, I can presume you would then stand with me when it comes to the issue of Congressional term limits? If you want to limit the role money can play then this would be a huge next step. It is blind to parties, favors fresh ideas, and sheds "war coffers" of ancient incumbents.

I'll disregard you presuming I am part of the problem because I want to eliminate (specifically) Social Security because many who may seem to feel that way add on the words "and make it better". Social Security is a lumbering dinosaur and is inefficient and abused. We can do better as a society, though admittedly after one of our more recent "we can do better" policies the desire for further reformation seems to have dwindled. That doesn't mean it should be done, but we must be aware of history - recent or otherwise.

As for the other notions of equality, they are good to say and I agree a correct notion we should strive to reach. But human beings themselves are not equal in outcome and no founding document nor recent social movement or trending hashtag can ever make that possible. We are flawed, biased, and emotional. Your vision of equality and mine may actually not align and even looking outside ourselves we see that like in Animal Farm "all animals are equal, some are just more equal than others". That's a perception that only the beholder can address but it takes an open mind to do so. Equality outside the sterile numbers of math or the cold hand of science is never equal when humans are involved.

It appears that posting this was rather cathartic for you and I appreciate you having done that as I hope you felt better in doing it yourself. You'll find that while I did reply, my mind is quite open. But I can only speak for myself here and offer you assurances that many of the things you warned about aren't viable in real life nor called for by a visible majority.

This succor and discourse is brought to you by a flawed human being who is overweight, has slightly crooked eyes (at least I think they aren't evened up when I look in the mirror), has been a scumbag to people before, but strives every day he has left in his life to be better himself and help better those around him.

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Not quite an edit, but an addendum. Talking about things is a good start. It's now up to us to do something about it. Here's a few suggestions:

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AMENDMENT XXVIII: An Amendment to Establish Term Limits for Members of Congress

SECTION 1: No person may serve more than twelve years as a member of Congress, whether such service is exclusively in the House or the Senate or combined in both Houses.

SECTION 2: Upon retification of this Article, any incumbent member of Congress whose term exceeds the twelve-year limit shall complete the current term, but thereafter shall be ineligible for further service as a member of Congress.

AMENDMENT XXVIX: An Amendment to Restore the Senate

SECTION 1: The Seventeenth Amendment is hereby repealed. All Senators shall be chosen by their state legislatures as prescribed by Article I.

SECTION 2: This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as a part of the Constitution.

SECTION 3: When vacancies occur in the representation of any State in the Senate for more than ninety days, the governor of the State shall appoint an individual to fill the vacancy for the remainder of the term.

SECTION 4: A Senator may be removed from office by a two-thirds vote of the state legislature.

AMENDMENT XXX: An Amendment to Limit the Federal Bureaucracy

SECTION 1: All federal departments and agencies shall expire if said departments and agencies are not individually reauthorized in stand-alone reauthorization bills every three years by a majority vote of the House of Representatives and Senate.

SECTION 2: All Executive Branch regulations exceeding economic burden of $100 million, as determined jointly by the Government Accountability Office and the Congressional Budget Office, shall be submitted to a permanent Joint Committee of Congress, hereafter the Congressional Delegation Oversight Committee, for review and approval prior to their implementation.

SECTION 3: The Committee shall consist of seven members of the House of Representatives, four chosen by the Speaker and three chosen by the Minority Leader; and seven members of the Senate, four chosen by the Majority Leader and three chosen by the Minority Leader. No member shall serve on the Committee beyond a single three-year term.

SECTION 4: The Committee shall vote no later than six months from the date of the submission of the regulation to the Committee. The Committee shall make no change to the regulation, either approving or disapproving the regulation by majority vote as submitted.

SECTION 5: If the Committee does not act within six months from the date of the submission of the regulation to the Committee, the regulation shall be considered disapproved and must not be implemented by the Executive Branch.

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There you go. Taking the money out of politics, inserting the voice of the people on a freshly rotated basis, and ensuring essential regulations stay while those outdated, defunct, under the radar, etc. are not continued at a waste of valuable resources.

There are more amendments I can post if you wish, but I figured this would be a good start.


"Here's What Bill Gates Thinks When People Say He Should Feel Bad About His Wealth":

"He thinks the government could encourage businesses to hire workers if it stopped taxing people on their wages. Instead, he thinks that it should tax them on how much they spend, an idea called the 'progressive consumption tax.'"

Reads like an idea worthy of discussion.


Dr. Information

Obama is the worst president this country has had. Non existent foreign policy, wants amnesty for all the illegals, implemented a new healthcare law that will bankrupt this country quicker and hurt more than it helps.

His numbers are at the bottom of the tank as they should be. He is horrible in every aspect except executive orders and vacations and late night TV shows.


Re: "Obama is the worst president,"

Unfortunately he and others of his extremist progressive-socialist ilk are merely the symptoms and not the disease.

Our ancestors founded this country in order to avoid the mistakes of Europe & not to replicate their wrongheaded policies and in turn follow them into bureaucratic socio-economic stagnation.


(snip & clip): "to avoid the mistakes of Europe" is exactly why we do NOT want to be ruled by Monarchs! Thanks Contango.


Re: "Monarchs!"

"Meet the new boss, Same as the old boss."

- The Who, "Won't Get Fooled Again"

Just the same freedom stifling 'rule of man' bureaucracy in different packaging.


Take action then. Do more than just talk.


Re: "Take,"

More nonsensical blather from loonie.


Winnie you display constantly your lack of intellect.


"you display,"

And your repeated off-topic blather just pegs you as a loon.


0-bama's greatest acheivment is failure.


coaster loves failure.


The new Republican party is a shadow operation for those attempting to wrest power from the people and democracy through whatever diabolical means they can formulate. The former Grand Old Party (of which I was a long-term member) has become nothing more than a table-thumping mechanism of the power-laden few to abolish all vestiges of human rights, dignity and freedom. Little do they care for fair play, honest and open dialogue let alone a sense of purpose "for the people". Their laser-like focus has already split their party into one radicalized party and another even more rabidly-radical party. With time...there will be few of them standing as they eat away at even themselves until one day...they, like the dinosaurs, become an extinct albatross. To facilitate their quicker demise we must all do as much as we can as soon as we can and with as much fervor as we can. This is made possible by us and for us by becoming active.
It is therefore minimally and absolutely IMPERATIVE to vote. An even better activity is to use your frustrations, anger and sense of unity in a more consolidated and productive method. This is accomplished by contacting your local Independent (the fastest growing party) or Democratic representatives to see what more you can do to beat back this attack. It can be an exciting, fruitful and extremely enjoyable experience. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. To do nothing will mean losing our nation to the Money Mongers.