Health coverage deadline extended for companies

The Obama administration is giving another delay to business groups concerned about the health care law’s requirement that larger firms cover their workers.
Associated Press
Feb 11, 2014

 

The Treasury Department announced Monday that companies with 50 to 99 employees have an additional year to comply with the coverage mandate, until January 1, 2016.

For businesses with 100 or more employees the requirement will still take effect in 2015. But other newly announced provisions may help some of those firms.

Under the law, companies with fewer than 50 employees don’t have to offer coverage.

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Contango

What is this, the 27th change to the wholly partisan Obama☭are program that the Executive branch is making without consulting Congress?

So Pres. Obama changes the date of the employer mandate AGAIN, but keeps the individual mandate unchanged?

Tell me that this isn't being done for political reasons and the fear of a Dem political bloodbath in Nov.

JudgeMeNot

Once again, Barry is giving a break to corporations by rewriting the law to what ever he feels is good to him.

0-bamacare is easy to defeat, dont sign up.

The Big Dog's back

You ought to be happy he is giving the "job creators" more time.

JudgeMeNot

Barry is the biggest job killer.

Pete

But Brutus Obie The Clueless says his health care fiasco is in and of itself a job creator. Why is he delaying it if it's so good for America?

Maggdi

Who would have ever thought that BD would remind me of Pollyanna. In a disquieting partisan hack kind of way...
And I second the motion to question why these people should be happy.
I know that many more smaller company owners than not, agonize about making sure they compensate their employees as best as they can because they are decent moral ( trying to do the best they can) people and because they know good employees are their businesses life blood and this narcissistic, power grabbing, influence peddling abomination called The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is anything but!
So tell us Big Dog why should they be happy? Do you think they haven't been spending the last 3 years figuring out how to get through what they knew at the time was going to be a big Effin' train wreck?
And don't waste your time trying to convince me it is anything but a train wreck. One that is doing more harm than good for more people than it was suppose to help.

The Big Dog's back

Woooooosh! That was the sound of the toilet flushing after I puked in it from reading your post about "decent, moral people".

Maggdi

Did the nausea come with the realization that you truly are a trollish partisan hack?

mikeylikesit

hey, c'mon guys! be nice! now apologize to bob.

coasterfan

Silly comment. Obamacare only barely resembles the original version that Democrats wanted. Many compromises were made in order to get it passed by a bipartisan Congress.

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The Hero Zone

You aren't implying that what was shot through Congress at the midnight hour around Christmas via parliamentary tricks including it as a "budget item" so they didn't need 60 votes with even one Republican in favor of it, are you?

You don't imply that this major issue that literally affects the lives and finances over every one of three hundred and ten million plus citizen of the U.S. wasn't a relic/ghost from 30 years ago that favors subsidizing guaranteed profits for corporations via our tax dollars, right?

I'm sure you are aware that much like how a virus reproduces, in order to pass it as a budget item instead of normal procedure for a law, our "pass it to know what's in it" then-speaker sent a host bill to the senate which gutted it, inserted the ~3k page monstrosity, and shoved it through.

Along strict party lines. The only thing "bipartisan" about this is the fact Republicans were in the same room as they watched the Democrats vote into existence something they knew nothing about, didn't read, and now struggle to finance/explain/execute.

I really wish that those who support a better health care system would stop making excuses for this corporatist piece of trash that is getting piecemealed in enforcement and understanding and demand better, ESPECIALLY from their own party if they are of that persuasion. Are there some good things in the ACA? Yes. But not enough to keep this going or at least not enough that can't be carved out and maintained while scrapping the rest of this selectively-enforced law.

Contango

Re: "Obamacare only barely resembles the original version that Democrats wanted."

WRONG. It looks not unlike Hillarycare.

Why all the Executive orders to change the timing of the mandates?

anthras

coasterfan says : " Many compromises were made in order to get it passed by a bipartisan Congress "

Bipartisan congress you say tell me exactly how many Republicans did vote for Obamacare. He had to lie to get some of the Democrats to vote for it.

coasterfan

Silly comment. Obamacare only barely resembles the original version that Democrats wanted. Many compromises were made in order to get it passed by a bipartisan Congress.

Donegan

LOL! Blame is all you have but everyone knows the truth after 3 years of you and the Dems pumping it up. Its yours, Own it.

Pete

Exactly how do you even come up with "passed by a bipartisan Congress"?

This entire fiasco is owned lock stock & barrel by Reid, Pelosi, and Obama.

Contango

Re: "passed by a bipartisan Congress."

Name the Repubs who voted for it.

anthras

In December 2009, the U.S. Senate voted 60 to 39 for Obamacare. The Washington Post reported “The Senate bill passed without a single GOP vote.”

In March 2010, the U.S. House voted 219 to 212 for Obamacare. 34 House Democrats and all of the House Republicans voted against Obamacare. The NO votes were the only bipartisan votes.

President Obama signed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) on March 23, 2010.

You are right coaster the Democrats that voted no made it a bipartisan vote as it was bipartisan against the bill

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The Hero Zone

What's worse is that the useless "opposition party" sits at their desks with their heads down like whipped betas and just grumbles passive-aggressively about it. Why do we even have a Congress? Just give the president-king all the law making and enforcing ability and let it be over with. What's ironic is that this is making the populist party increasingly obsolete because they are giving up THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AND POWER to someone else. Why even vote for them?

Everyone in D.C. is standing in a circle smelling each others' extended index fingers and chuckling at unspoken words.

SamAdams

Here, Big Dog, this is for YOU:

How many Obama voters does it take to change a light bulb?

None. They prefer to remain in the dark.

Darwin's choice

The failure in chief....

JudgeMeNot

Correct.

hilltop

So, Obamacare is "the Law of the Land", "blessed" by the Senate and Congress. How does the President make the unilateral decision to just change the law at his own discretion?

What's next, the Constitution . . . . oh yeah, that's right, the Constitution is irrelevant to this administration . . . . just the Charmin to a bear's butt.

coasterfan

Silly comment #2. It is a fact that Obama has used Executive Order less than any other president over the past 30 years, while working with the most obstinate Congress in history.

Yeah, I know....it's an inconvenient truth that puts to rest the silly stories from the Right. So what else is new...

Donegan

It is not the number of executive orders that matter at this point, It is the type. Ignoring the laws, Changing the laws making the laws. It is all illegal for him to do so. No matter how you spin it he is wrong.

The Big Dog's back

Oh, so now it's not the number since that lie was blown out of the water, it's the type. Gotcha right wingnuts.

Donegan

It would not matter one way or the other with you Dog. You trust the guy after he lies to your face, Not a strong showing for intelligence. Maybe someday you'll see the error of your stupidity but i bet that only happens when a republican is in office doing the exact same thing, but then again you hypocrites can do no wrong. He is breaking the system and you morons are cheering it on.

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The Hero Zone

The quantity of times used != what it was used to do. If that were the case you must be more impressed with the man who goes to the bank ten times a day to deposit ten dollars at a time instead of the man who visits once to deposit ten thousand, yes?

As long as he doesn't issue any more in quantity than anyone else it doesn't matter what he does with them then, eh? That was a silly as in another comment you said "8% is a bigger number than 1.8%" without providing ANY base number of which they are percentage.

I don't understand how you as a proud member of a party can let any of this slide. Lawlessness is lawlessness no matter who is in power. If you turn critical suddenly when a Republican is in power you may as well not vote at all because it contributes nothing to holding any of them responsible.

Mien Gott in Himmel, what I wouldn't give for one person who identifies Democrat to actually call out these antics because it isn't right for EVERYONE and not just favors a minority of the population.

Anyone? Any Ds out there that can do this and would earn my immediate respect and desire to converse? Any Ds out there who hold their party to a higher standard and not make excuses like a chronically-beaten spouse? Any non-beta donkeys want what's best for everyone instead of their party?

That's why I "blather" (as Pter puts it) on and on because I want better for all, not to just pick on one party that is NO BETTER AT ALL than the other major one.

Steve P

The imperial president, he wanted this health care bill, got it on his terms, passed by his party, now he picks and chooses how its implemented for pure political purposes. Why do we even need the constitution with the all knowing and powerful King Obama?

JudgeMeNot

If Barry likes his health care law, why won't Barry keep it? They change the rules every other week.

SamAdams

When even MSNBC criticizes the latest move (and it did, calling it political -- which, of course, it is), you KNOW you're in trouble! Obamacare can't fail soon enough. All of the exemptions and delays are temporarily saving SOME, but the individual mandate is going to kill a lot of lower middle class and middle middle class people. That was, of course, the intent, but still...

coasterfan

Odd comments from the above; clearly a reflection of the misinformation pushed forward by the Right.

This evening, for giggles, I listened to Mark Levin while driving home from SE Ohio. From where I'm sitting, he is 180 degrees away from reality on most everything, although I did enjoy hearing him go through an apoplectic fit while denouncing Boehner and Cantor for siding with Obama on the latest debt ceiling vote. The only time Republicans are funny is when they don't intend to be. :)

We Dems see things just the opposite. We know that the delays implementing Obamacare only delay the evidence that the law is working. It looks like more than 6 million will have signed up by the March deadline, not far off from the original goal of 7 million.

Of course, you won't hear that story from the Right. They're too busy sowing the seeds of misinformation, such as the (completely debunked) story told by Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers during the GOP Response to Obama's SOTU Address, about a woman whose healthcare premiums supposedly went up $700 due to Obamacare.

Actually, the intent of the law is to provide all Americans with healthcare. If Dems wanted to kill lower and middle class people, they could've just let Republicans win in 2008, so that we could continue the downward spiral of the 2007-2008 financial collapse.

The GOP isn't afraid that the law won't work, they're afraid that it is. That's why they are so freaking manic trying to denounce it, every way possible. Are they really going to campaign on removing healthcare from millions of Americans, including many from their own party? Good luck with that...

Donegan

"We Dems see things just the opposite." You Dems apparently see nothing. Of those 6 million how many have paid? It seems that your all glorious bill isn't so glorious if they have to suspend a section of it ever 3 months just to win a election.

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The Hero Zone

Are you proud that our debt ceiling was increased again with no discussion? That's the sign of leadership, isn't it? A sure victory for the Democrats and a "cave-in" of the Republicans as I was reading on the Huffington Post. That's some solid, responsible leadership continuing to drive us further into debt. All our problems are solved now!

If you were listening to the same Mark Levin show I was maybe you could refresh my memory on what he passed along via the GAO of the percentage of our budget that will be consumed by debt service in the future?

How much was it again? Darn, I can't seem to remember. Help me out here, coasterfan.

That point aside, this comment is confusing and disturbing: "We know that the delays implementing Obamacare only delay the evidence that the law is working."

If it is working so well, why delay it? Why HIDE it? Who gave the President authority to selectively enforce HIS "SIGNATURE" LAW (we'll not even bring up why he acts offended Congress doesn't think he'll faithfully execute a new immigration law since he doesn't even use the ones we currently have)? If everything is so wonderful about it why isn't it being reported outside of party emails and biased HP articles that feed reasons for people to parrot that "it's working"? This makes no sense at all ESPECIALLY with a point of pride - no, hubris - as this is for one of the two major parties. If the virtues of not even meeting the bare-minimum threshold of seven million participants is a point of suspender-snapping, heel-rocking pride is so wonderful about the million-citizen-shortfall "success" of this program, why aren't you singing this from the mountaintops (the actual demographics of those six million compared to what they "should be" aside)?

Do you really just unquestioningly accept anything someone with a D after their name tells you directly or through a spinner/spokesman?

It's ok, you can tell me everything. I promise. We're brothers in the same political party. I'm just testing your loyalty and how well you understand our message.

Sincerely,

TheHeroZone (D - OH)

The Big Dog's back

mark levin? Right wingnut extraordinaire.

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The Hero Zone

You would like him, he dislikes Republicans as much as you and me. Of all the radio commenters you would enjoy his show if you ever cared to listen.

The Big Dog's back

I've heard him before. Big windbag. I don't think I would like someone who is right of the far right.

Donegan

Those facts are what you cannot stand. That and you have a thing for wanting to kill fellow citizens in the name of your god.

Common Sense

"Big windbag." It takes one to know one.

Contango

Re: "We know that the delays implementing Obamacare only delay the evidence that the law is working."

Delusional.

anthras

cfan says : "We Dems see things just the opposite. We know that the delays implementing Obamacare only delay the evidence that the law is working. It looks like more than 6 million will have signed up by the March deadline, not far off from the original goal of 7 million"

Please advise of your source for the 6 million figure and while you are at it please advise the number of persons that have lost their insurance via cancellations and you might also advise the number of persons that have had their group employer insurance and over 1/4th of their income via being cut from full time work to part time work.

grumpy

This simply shows that dims can't deal with implementing a bill that they, and they alone wrote and passed, they allowed NO amendments to what they wrote. If someone wants to say Herritage wrote the bill please link to the plan of 2500+ pages that Herritage wrote. They might have written a 10-20 page outline, But it ain't no 2500+pages. The dims wrote the bill and passed it on their own. This is how they show how well they do it when they are in charge, and could write and pass anything they wanted to. They had 2 years to write a masterpiece. And this is what they have submitted as their best work.

coasterfan

Grumpy, indeed. We also know how well Republicans do when they are in charge. That's why Dems won in 2008 and 2012, and it's why they'll win in 2016.

Meanwhile, the GOP is busy with their odd goal of alienating women/gays/minorities/middle class/poor, while wringing their hands wondering why they don't have enough voters to win a national election. Seems pretty obvious to me, but they can't seem to figure it out. Problem #2 for them: Here we are, in 2014, and they STILL haven't a clue how to solve the tug-of-war within their own party.

Both parties are dysfunctional, to be sure, but the GOP currently is in a league of its own. Anyone who thinks the 2014 election will be good for conservatives clearly doesn't understand just how much the party's appalling stance on most social issues turns off younger voters. Young people aren't "haters", which is why the majority of them vote Democrat.

Donegan

The only thing the Repubs did is make policy that the Dems followed to a tee. If the repubs are worse than the Dems why do the Dems keep the same policies?

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The Hero Zone

Wow I'm on a posting-roll tonight. But, this sort of thing fires me up like almost nothing else. I'm glad you understand that the Democrats are dysfunctional, but that "tug-of-war" is because there are some who affiliate themselves with (or more closely with) Republicans that want better than a feckless party culturally out of touch and rife with GOBs who produce perhaps only a hair more lobbyists from their staff of administrators than Democrats do.

Hell, I'll join a "tug-of-war" Democrat faction if it means they pull their heads from their rears about financial matters. Want to start one with me, coasterfan? I'm probably very closely aligned with you on social issues but when it comes to money can you honestly tell me that the Ds are better than the Rs? Or is it that the Ds at least will smile at you and say "shhh, it's ok, it's ok" as they plunge the dagger deeper whereas the Rs will just stare coldly at you doing the same action?

Ugh...I need to take a break away from this. I'm getting frustrated and not just in having a conversation with you. All I want to see are people who want something better than what we have now and not excuse-makers, capitulators, or the like...I certainly hit a breaker with this.

The Big Dog's back

I'll tell you D's are better than R's.

grumpy

Re: "I'll tell you D's are better than R's."

This statement was brought to you by someone who says he "belongs" to the dim party. They wouldn't let him state his own opinion, he belongs to them so they ordered him to say that. This is how wingnuts are made. Give yourself to a political party. You follow orders and don't have to think.

Donegan

Your a Democrat, Your a liar. So say what you want most aren't dumb enough to trust liars.

grumpy

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grumpy

Re: "Grumpy, indeed. We also know how well Republicans do when they are in charge. That's why Dems won in 2008 and 2012, and it's why they'll win in 2016."

I thought repubes lost in 08 and 12 because they had pi$$ poor candidates. You completely bypassed that dims had just shy of 2 years to write. Used Hilliarycare as a basis of their obamaScare tax, 31/2 years to get it ready for implementation and in 4 short months of implementing their signature tax, they have to make 27 changes, most of which are delays, the dims show how well they do what they wrote and voted into existence, fire the company that they hired to write the software, after knowing the company was fired by Canada for incompitence. They did it all on their own write, vote the tax into existence, and now are implementing it... well parts of it that, hopefully, won't hurt them as much in the coming election. That and having to deal with the lies made to get it passed... you can keep your plan if you like it... period, you can keep your doctor if you like him... period, the average family of 4 will save $2500, obamaScare will generate 2 million jobs, The website will work like Amazon, Young healthy people will pay for older sicker people, we have to pass it so we can see what is in it. Out of those that I have listed,(the ones I can remember off the top of my head), the only one that was true is the last one, we are now finding out what is in it since it has been passed, it for sure wasn't read by the former Speaker before she passed it.

@coasterfan: If you wish to refute what I have written please do so. If you wish to say the repubes aren't any better I don't disagree, but I have no parallel to compare it to. Repubes haven't passed a bill only they wrote, with no dims in the finial process, no Amendments allowed, no dim votes for the bill. and that many lies made to get it passed. Perhaps you can inform us of the last time such a bill was passed by repubes. I will be waiting with bated breathe.

We need more diverse parties not fewer parties. We need more power in the States, and less in federal hands, power closer to the People and further from DC. We need to be closer to our governmental officials, so we can talk to them instead of lobbiests talking to them. Power in fewer hands is what got us into this mess and spreading it out would be the best thing to do. One party rule sucks as the last couple decades has well shown. One party keeps and expand the pi$$ poor policies the other party made.

The Big Dog's back

Wrong.

grumpy

@ piddle puppy, take each point and refute it... first request.

The Big Dog's back

So you're saying Repubs take their marching orders from the top and all vote the same? Not even one? Really?

grumpy

Re: "So you're saying Repubs take their marching orders from the top and all vote the same?"

I suggest you go up to my post and reread what I wrote. I said nothing like what you said. If you disagree, copy and paste it and we can talk about it. I have no problem responding to things I have actually said, have no clue what you are trying to deflect to. I said what I meant.

The Big Dog's back

The Repubs are the only ones who vote in lock step. Fact. You just proved it. Move on.

grumpy

Re: "The Repubs are the only ones who vote in lock step. Fact. You just proved it."

Please copy and paste where I just proved it.

You seem to make things up that you think others have written. Is it pi$$ poor reading comprehension, are you trying to deflect the way the discussion is going, or are you simply lying?

grumpy

@ piddle puppy, take each point and refute it... second request.

The Big Dog's back

"@coasterfan: If you wish to refute what I have written please do so. If you wish to say the repubes aren't any better I don't disagree, but I have no parallel to compare it to. Repubes haven't passed a bill only they wrote, with no dims in the finial process, no Amendments allowed, no dim votes for the bill. and that many lies made to get it passed. Perhaps you can inform us of the last time such a bill was passed by repubes. I will be waiting with bated breathe."

How many Repubs voted for the ACA?

grumpy

Re: "How many Repubs voted for the ACA?"

That was one vote. When you said :

The Big Dog's back
WED, 02/12/2014 - 4:16PM
The Repubs are the only ones who vote in lock step. Fact.

That says the repubes vote in lockstep, not that they voted once in lockstep. Not the same thing. You left it open ended. That makes it NOT a fact. Words have menaings, you just got schooled... again.

There have been votes where every dim voted the same. Same for every repube who voted the same. Check the Congressional record. They happen several times every year. I will let you read the congressional record yourself.

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/amla...

grumpy

@ piddle puppy, take each point and refute it... third request.

Tom Sawyer

It doesn't matter anyways, Obamacare will be abolished in the next Republican rule anyways!

coasterfan

An illiterate boy can dream, but that's not going to happen. Say hi to Huck for me :)

Tom Sawyer

Actually I'm quite edjumacated! :)

Darwin's choice

Yes, you can! Dream on coasterfan.

jacksonbrowne

It is interesting that the government has hired a foreign company using foreign workers to handle some of the phone calls for obamacare. Kinda of like giving General Motors a boatload of taxpayer money only to see them invest that money in Chinese factories. Wasn't it this President that chastised private firms for the financial packages they give their CEO's? What is GM's new CEO package...$14+ million! Thanks, Pres. Obama, for pushing income inequality.

SamAdams

The hypocrisy of some of the more avid Obama fans on these boards never ceases to amaze me.

They criticized George W. Bush at every turn (sadly, they were usually right to do so). In fact, they hated Bush's policies and actions so much that they continue to try to cover their OWN politicians' mistakes by blaming them — more than five years after the fact — on Bush!

Yet when Barack Obama continues and expands on Bush policies, there's nary a word from them. When Barack Obama makes mistakes all his own (and there are some doozies!), not only do they not complain or protest, they actively SUPPORT the errors!

Something is either right or wrong. It's constitutional or unconstitutional. It's a freedom-killer or it isn't. It's helpful or it's harmful. Those truisms remain whether there's a Democrat, a Republican, or the current Socialist in office.

We all like to accuse politicians, usually on the other side, of being partisan hacks. We're usually right. But I submit that those who are blind to the nightmares caused by those who are on THEIR side of the aisle are at least as much a danger to the country as are those who are making and breaking laws at will. Shame on the politicians? Absolutely! Shame on YOU? Even more so because you have the power to elect somebody else!

grumpy

It is what happens when they feel they "belong" to a party. They back everything that the "party" backs. No rational thinking allowed. It is why States should hold more of the power and feds less. The "power belongs to the PEOPLE, not the parties, the closer to the PEOPLE the power is the better for the people. It is also why there should be more parties than two that continue and expand each others policies, no matter how bad they were when first made, and now worse since many have been expanded and extended. 5-7 parties would be nice.

The Big Dog's back

Yep, both partys are the same, but vote Repub anyways right pooh?

grumpy

Tell me piddle puppy is it worse to pass a bad law like the patriot act, or to run against it and then when elected extend and expand it when you KNOW it was a bad law?

Same with eavsdropping and recording phones and internet.

Same with NDAA.

Same with using drones to kill.

Please explain why it is better to keep passing and expanding bad laws is OK when it is done by dims and terrible when repubes passed it in the first place? dims had to extend and expand all the things they whined about bush doing. What is the difference in the parties? Both spend without paying, both make promises the don't keep. There are many more similarities than there are differences. The differences are less every election.

Bet he make a one line comment at most.

The Big Dog's back

ALL the Repubs were for those things. ALL!

Contango

Re: "ALL (snip)"

Yea, yea, yea.

Can boil down your simplistic Neanderthal political thinking into:

Dems good, Repubs bad.

Got it AGES ago.

grumpy

Obama, the dims in the Senate and house also passed those extensions and expantions and signed them into law. Those laws ran out as they had end dates, Obama and the dims had to vote to extend them, they also expanded them while they were at it.

Which is worse passing them first time around, or after seeing how bad they were, and to vote to continue and expand them?

Bet piddle puppy deflects or ignores answering. His normal answer that everything dims do is great doesn't fit the facts. Run and hide piddle puppy.

The Big Dog's back

Black-track,’” Maher explained, defining it as, “The act of changing one’s mind because President Obama has agreed with you. See also: ‘Pulling a one-hatey,’ or the ‘Kenyan boomerang.’”

SamAdams

Well, I guess I stand corrected! I didn't think the PATRIOT Act was bad because the Bush administration passed it. I thought it was bad because it IS! And I didn't think the extensions and expansions were bad because the Obama administration did it. I thought it was bad because it IS!

Apparently, I didn't know what I was thinking: The PATRIOT Act was bad because Bush did it; the PATRIOT Act REMAINS bad because I'm a racist.

Got it!

grumpy

Many thought it was bad law when bush signed it, they think it was bad law when obama and the dims extended and expanded it. Course some folks didn't like it when bush signed it but like it now that the dims passed it and obama extended and expanded it. What does Maher call them? A$$ kissers to the dim party? Flexable with their core principals? Or just normal dims? What did he call it when he observed that it was one of the things obama ran against in his election and then obama extended and expanded it? Good old normal dimocrat politics?

Sad when someone gets their political news from the comedy channel or a comedy show on HBO. But we have seen this from you before. Quality citations from you are non-existent. You think leftwingut blogs, comedy shows, are good places to get your political information from. Good work piddle puppy.

Contango

Re: "Both spend without paying,"

I like what Jim Grant had to say about the Fed's unprecedented policy of manipulating the stock mkt.

"never - until now - has it manipulated the stock market as if it were a lever of public policy."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/20...

We're in UNKNOWN territory.

The Fed is wholly culpable in the govt.'s profligate spending.

Ms. Yellen looks like Bernanke II.

This will end badly.

Dr. Information

Another delay? This entire admin is a big delay.