Petition drive picks up steam

Pace of people signing on to call for Stierwalt and Overmyer to be removed doubled Wednesday; dozens leave comments asking Kasich to take action
Register
Mar 20, 2014

Update March 19, 2014: An additional 200 people signed an online petition Wednesday asking Gov. John Kasich to invoke a state law that allows him to remove Sandusky County Sheriff Kyle Overmyer and county Prosecutor Tom Stierwalt from office. 

Many are leaving comments urging Kasich to help. 

"I live in Sandusky County and have had a horrible experience with the Sheriff's Department. They don't care about right or wrong, just how much muscle they can show,"  Sandra Weatherspoon, of Vickery, wrote after signing the petition.

Read the petition

"Too many crimes have fallen through the cracks. Someone needs to be held accountable," Debi Eversole of Castalia wrote.

"These men are here to serve and protect and instead do the opposite," Ashley Mancour, Clyde, posted. 

"Kyle Overmyer has shown blatant disregard for the citizens of Sandusky County, while promoting his own interests in the Jones and Limberios cases. He also has chosen not to properly address the numerous scandals at the jail involving officers and sexual acts with inmates. Now we have a suicide in the jail…who is taking responsibility for that or is it going to be swept under the rug as well? I believe that there will be nothing done about this, unless provoked by the public," wrote Shelly Mills, of Fremont. 

"I grew up in Fremont," Keith Harris of Port Clinton wrote after signing the petition asking for Gov. Kasich's help. "The County is ran by who-knows-who-politics. If you don't 'fit in' they remove you."

"It's important because it is blatantly clear there are deep-rooted issues in Sandusky County," Diane Lowery of Sandusky wrote. "If this is not apparent to those receiving this petition then we have bigger issues in Ohio."

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Some supporters of Overmyer and Stierwalt are leaving anonymous comments at news articles about the petition drive and other news stories at sanduskyregister.com. One of them suggested jail guards who sexually exploited a mentally ill female inmate who was denied her medication were also at the same time attempting get her medications for her while they were exploiting her. 

"So how do you say she was denied her medications? Did they or did they not make attempts to contact a family member to get them, if they did how does that constitute her being denied her medications?" the anonymous commenter Simple Enough II posted at sandusyregister.com.

Another anonymous commenter supporting Stierwalt and Overmyer at the newspaper's comments section suggested he was unconcerned about the deaths of two people when they came into contact with sheriff's deputies.

"I wish we could get some answers about why the Register loves criminals so much," PapaJoe wrote on Wednesday in the comments section. "Bryan Jones and Craig Burdine both had long criminal histories and a record of violence."

"Long criminal histories" is an overstatement, but the families of both Burdine and Jones contend previous contacts with local police and sheriff's deputies likely played a role in their deaths. 

Another resident called the Register Wednesday, leaving a message suggesting it should not be reporting about the petition drive or the numerous other scandals plaguing county officials. 

"Stay out of Sandusky County," she said. "We don't need your reporting here." 

Stierwalt and Overmyer have ignored repeated requests for comment. 

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Update March 18, 2014: An online petition asking the governor to invoke a state law to force Stierwalt and Overmyer out has averaged about 100 signatures a day during the first three days since it's been posted. Many of the people signing onto the petition are leaving comments with the reasons they support the effort.

"Every one is accountable for their actions and as an official they should be held to a higher standard," Carolyn Stuart, of Columbus, posted after signing the petition at Change.org

"I live in Sandusky County and I have first-hand witnesses (to) the Sandusky County Sheriff's department inadequacy. I feel they think they are all above the law," Carla Dupont of Vickery wrote. "They need a restructuring starting at the top." 

"I feel that Sandusky County has failed to follow through with their investigations in these cases. They did not collect evidence or order an autopsy in the Jacob Limberios case," Theresa Burris of Huron posted. "I feel there is enough evidence to show they have failed to keep the people in their jail safe, and protect them ... Someone needs to be held responsible for the conduct of the employees of Sandusky County before anyone else gets hurt."

"Failure of justice is a failure in America's foundation and a building with a flawed foundation can not stand the test of time," Tamera Stacy, of Castalia, posted after signing the petition. 

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Original article posted March 17, 2014: The Justice for Jake & Ella group has filed a petition asking Ohio Gov. John Kasich to remove Sandusky County Prosecutor Tom Stierwalt and Sandusky County Sheriff Kyle Overmyer from office "for failure to perform their duties as required by law." 

The petition is posted at the group's Facebook page and includes support from three other families impacted by decisions made by Stierwalt and Overmyer.

The family of Craig Burdine, who died at the Sandusky County Jail shortly after he was brought there in August 2007 has signed onto the petition drive. Family members of Isabel Cordle, who was brutally killed in January 1988 and an alleged rape victim who contends Fremont police did nothing to bring her assailant to justice also have joined the group.

The petition asks the governor to use the power granted him in the Ohio Revised Code to remove Stierwalt and Overmyer from office, and they are promoting the petition at the group's Facebook page under the banner "Stand Up for Justice and Accountability in Sandusky County."

The petition was posted at Justice for Jake & Ella page Sunday evening and had garnered more than 50 signatures by early this morning.

Read the petition

The petition asks Gov. Kasich to "file a formal complaint under Ohio Revised Code 3.08 seeking removal of the Sandusky County Prosecutor (Tom Stierwalt) and the Sandusky County Sheriff (Kyle Overmyer) for failure to fulfill their duties in investigating and prosecuting crimes occurring in Sandusky County. 

"RC 3.08 allows the Governor to file a complaint in the Common Pleas Court in the County seeking removal of county officials who have abused their offices, starting a process whereby evidence can be presented by each side to support their position."

See the Justice for Jake & Ella page

The Justice for Jake & Ella Facebook page has more than 19,000 followers and the petition also asks "other families of victims of abuse occurring in Sandusky County to lend their voices in support of this cause to sign this petition to the governor."

"In numbers there is strength," the petition reads. "We need every fair-minded person who seeks justice to join this effort. We can effect change, but only when we are united."

According to the petition, the state law cited, ORC 3.08, allows "the governor to initiate a process whereby the effected officials can defend themselves from accusations of misconduct (and) allow them a full and fair opportunity to be heard.”

Stierwalt and Overmyer were not immediately available for comment. 

Check back here for updates as they become available. 

The Register has reported the difficulties numerous families have experienced with Sandusky County officials. Click on the links below to read more. 

• Death of Lee Naus

• Isabel Cordle

• Trooper's sex lesson

• Stabbed, beaten burned & zapped

• Bryan Jones

• Limberios shooting saga

• Craig Burdine

• Sexploited jail inmate

Comments

Ctwhalers

Yes please go sign. I did. Great article. Yes more familys need to come forward to help in this cause. Do not be afraid of them.

Stop It

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MiddleRight

You are signing a petition to remove elected officials.
JUST STOP VOTING FOR THESE PEOPLE!

holysee

Those who sign will be retaliated against. Bank on it. Corruption entrenched. Do you think the repuglican appointed replacements might be better? ALmost evryone I talk to thinks these guys should be replaced except for the tea party people. No one will back that up when push comes to shove because they don't want inevitable retaliation.

Darwin's choice

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Licorice Schtick

Great! SR has a moderator again!

BabyMomma

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BabyMomma

This was off topic but Dr. Drug Dealer's comments are on topic? Typical Democrats. Hate what doesn't agree with you.

Peninsula Pundit

Another off-topic one!
Get 'er, Mr. Moderator!

Simple Enough II

I align with the Tea Party, and unless you have enough hard evidence to warrant an investigation, I'll just wait until election time and see if someone else runs.

doctorsRdrugdealer

@ BabyMomma and we know your a dude or babymomma that must of been denied for your food stamps, because you sit on here and do the same thing. Drink your tea and stay on the article above instead of trying to bash everyones comments and opinions!

Stop It

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BabyMomma

*you're........I've never used a Foodstamp or card or whatever you guys get. I don't claim a party because no one party is right. They all are correct on some things and off base on others...............I also like how you stayed on topic with the article, bashed my comment with a comment about bashing comments, and then insinuated that I was a tea party member. Lmao..........Do as I say, not as I do!......As far as the article goes, anyone who thinks these 2 idiots should keep their jobs, are the people who stand to be incarcerated when they do go down.

mamaC

Agree Babymomma ......As far as the article goes, anyone who thinks these 2 idiots should keep their jobs, are the people who stand to be incarcerated when they do go down. Cards are going to fall sooner or later that is for sure.

jacksonbrowne

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Stop It

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jacksonbrowne

Not to sign it but to file it and pay for the ballot.

Babo

You are wrong in regards to the proper procedure to remove any official and in particular the removal of a sheriff or prosecutor. The Ohio Revised Code removal process codified at RC 3.07, and 3.08 specifically provides that the Governor can initiate removal proceedings on a Sheriff or Prosecutor. All other officers may only be removed through a petition process signed by eligible voters.

Given the extraordinary executive branch powers that a county sheriff and prosecutor possess; the Ohio Revised Code provides that the Governor as the Chief Executive Officer Office may initiate the Removal process against a Sheriff or Prosecutor upon Complaint by a citizen or citizens. This is so because of the potential for a Sheriff or Prosecutor to abuse their offices to retaliate against citizens who attempt to remove them.

In short citizens are simply smart not lazy to exercise their rights in a collective manner in accordance with the ORC by petitioning the Governor for relief.

jacksonbrowne

Why take the chance of the Gov. not complying with their demands? If they are so sure that they have done a bad job and are so sure that a majority of the voters agree then go the referendum route. Slam dunk right???

Babo

Please read the statutes cited above. The removal process is not a referendum placed on the ballot. It is a Complaint filed in Common Pleas Court by the Governor or by a percentage of the voters in the last Governor's election. Once filed there is a trial on the charges of misconduct justifying removal.

However, I agree with you in part. The Petition as drafted does not have sufficient charges or evidentiary support to convince the Governor to file a Complaint. There's a lot of work to be done.

Babo

This is a start, but the group IMO needs to provide the Governor with specific examples of misconduct supported by documents and affidavits. As it stands now, the Petition does not provide any evidence to encourage people to sign on or to persuade the Governor to file a Complaint. The Group must convince the Governor and the public with facts, stated concisely under oath, that this is a worthwhile and serious cause.

The Governor's lawyers are not going to do the work in preparing a draft Complaint to be filed. The Group needs to draft the Complaint or persuade an attorney experienced in drafting criminal allegations to donate his or her time pro bono.

A well drafted proposed Complaint will convince the Governor of the seriousness of the misconduct and help garner signatures. Once convinced of the seriousness of the allegations, the Governor's office can expand the inquiry and Complaint

mamaC

Do you have a suggestion on an attorney who might do this for the group?
I am sure they would greatly appreciate it.

Babo

I have some ideas and will contact someone trustworthy to discuss them.

mamaC

Thank you Babo..

mamaC

I think that is why Matt linked all the stories on this story to show a pattern. I don't want to speak for him but that is how I took the other stories on there.

cordler

Babo we would love to talk to you further, please send us an email at fnagel007@aol.com

New mom

Signed and agreed those idiots need out

Jmschmidt812

2 stories on the same day about good ol corrupt Sandusky county. Well my oh my the whole county and everyone in it must be corrupt since the register implies that. Give it a rest already. Your complaint won't be going far and these officials will remain in office until they are unseated. So why not direct your energy into finding people who will run against them, then finance their campaign?

Simple Enough II

No, we sandusky countians are just a bunch of morons who can't think per the news articles printed here. If we don't like what is going on we will just vote them out. What I do question is the bias & motives of SR and its staff in regards to SC & Fremont.

John Harville

Then why haven't they been voted out?
Stierwalt, a Dem, has been there 14 years.
Overmyer, a GOoP, is in his first regular elected term. When Dems asked their county chair why there was no one against Kyle, the Chair said "Well, Kyle's a nice guy and doing a good job."
There are lots of RINOs and DINOs in the county but few real Republicans and Democrats.
And then there's the issue of the state parties...and their chairs.

Simple Enough II

Because some of the folks running against say Stierwalt I had no confidence in.

mamaC

Who holds the democratic chair there?

PapaJoe

Jmschmidt812 you are so right. The voters can vote them out in the next election if they choose. The governor has no right to remove people elected by the voters. Just because Matt Westerhold does not like them does not mean they are corrupt. Matt Westerhold should not choose who is sandusky county sheriff.

PapaJoe

If anything that would make corruption 100% worse with no fear of facing the voters again, they will do whatever they want

John Harville

The voters can't even get past a placeholder sham.

CatsAreTheBest419

Mr. Harville I feel you are beating a dead horse. If Mr. Brewer had an legitimate complaint against Mrs. Damschroder then why did he run with his tail between his legs. He didn't provide any argument what so ever. I guess you could say that the bigger person won. I think it is about time that you move along to a different topic now its over and done with.

Buster66

aBOUT THE IDENTITY OF hARVILLE?

John Harville

Yeah. Keep beatin' that drum. Offer some proof if you think you got it.

Buster66

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Lil DAB

I saw Buster's little post before it got deleted. Not hard to figure out who Harville is. It has already been brewing all over FB. Harville aka "the other guy" doesnt like when he gets "outed" yet wants to get away with posting everyone else relationships - re occupation, family...etc.

John Harville

If the issue is dead, why is Sandusky County BOE revamping all its voter registration and voting records for some 25,000 voters?
April 1 is first day of early voting for the May 6 REPUBLICAN Primary. Wonder if Mr. Brewer will vote in that since Mrs. Damschroder's attorney said he can't?

Buster66

Well Harville, you could look in the mirror and ask Mr Brewer and get an answer pretty quick. Think....*oh there it is....

John Harville

Had you been there, you would know the hearing never was properly called to order and was invalid from the moment Mr. Brey said Brewer had no standing "because he's not a Republican". The Board did not state Brewer had standing, thus the hearing - that was never properly convened - was over. Besides, how do you have a hearing without a respondent?
At least BREWER showed up. Where was RHONDA?

grumpy

She didn't need to show up, she had a representative show up. She was not subpoenaed, her representative being there was all that was needed.

Julie R.

If OHIO would get busy and enact a law making it so all county public officials can only serve 4 years & out, I think that alone would put a real dent in corruption.

Simple Enough II

If folks would actually know something of the issues and the candidates instead of voting based upon party lines and or "because I like the way they talk or look" we might get better, we might get worse.

Bodega

That's never actually going to happen any more than elected officials will vote to limit campaign money. That's like asking the fox to have his teeth pulled as part of the job of watching the sheep.

slightthroat212

I don't know that much about Ohio law, but don't you need adequate proof to get anything before a court? i agree that there appears to be corruption in Sandusky county and quesionable actions from what I have seen, but you have to be able to back up your accuations with facts to get someone out of office. Does this group have a lawyer? They surely need one to be on their side in this court hearing to present FACTS to the judge, not innuendo and non-facts. The judge is going to want facts. I sincerely hope they get a venue change because of this gets heard in the same county, there isn't a prayer of getting a fair hearing. Only a lawyer can get that moved, isn't that correct? So even with the help of the governor, this petition needs a lawyer on the side of the petitioners to help with all this. A GOOD lawyer with some clout.

Julie R.

"I don't know much about Ohio law, but don't you need adequate proof to get anything before a court?"

Heavens, no! If Sandusky County is anything like Erie County, it's the opposite. It's when you DO have adequate proof of everything that you can't get anything before a court!

CITY43420

Can we have bad writers removed for poor journalism??? Really SR.. Why can't you just leave Sandusky County alone? I live here and work here and it isn't as bad as everyone protrays it to be! Lets dig into Erie or Huron County and see what we find!! These people that hold these positions are Fathers, Husbands, Coaches and community supporters.. While I'm not saying that these families do not deserve Justice by any means, but calling for 3 people to lose their jobs in the meantime is just obsurd!!

DickTracey

So, CITY, are you saying it is ok for a grown man to watch porn and masturbate with a twelve year old?

So in Sandusky county, these fathers, coaches and husbands all think that a grown man can masturbate with their 12 year old?

You don't have a problem with your prosecutor letting a pedophile get away with that?

CITY43420

No I am not saying that that is ok by any means, what I AM saying is that is it appropriate for someone to lose their job because they are following the laws that their superiors put forth?

DGMutley

Stomping the life out of Craig Burdine is ok with you?

Jmschmidt812

But it was fine for him to throw another man in a fire causing him 3rd degree burns on his back?

Babo

No it was not acceptable but he was entitled to due process of law and not to die while in custody by an alleged extra judicial state administered killing.

Simple Enough II

So you actually think the jailers took it upon themselves to execute a person being brought into their custody? Really has me questioning where you come up with those comments/allegations.

DGMutley

Did they?

Babo

Do you understand the concept of due process of law?

DGMutley

And while we're talking about it, the young lady that was exploited by the sheriff's jailers should have never been arrested in the first place by the Fremont PD.

Simple Enough II

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Babo

They were very minor issues related to her schizophrenia. She need mental/medical attention not incarceration.

DGMutley

Um, what? They were unsubstantiated complaints!

Babo

Thanks for the correction.

Simple Enough II

I don't believe they were, I believe if I recall correctly she did that infront of a store clerk who corroborated it.

DGMutley

She was falsely charged as evidenced by the very recollection you bring up!

Matt Westerhold

Thanks CITY43420. You're making suggestions about "poor journalism" without providing any information to support those suggestions. Generally, when people die in police custody, newspapers write about that, or when a person is shot dead in his home, newspapers write about that. When lawsuits are filed against the county for alleged wrongdoing, newspapers write about that. You also suggest the SR should "just leave Sandusky County alone," which seems to mean the newspaper, in your opinion, should not do its job and simply look the other way. The only thing that's unusual here is the number of families that have complained about Sandusky County officials and the number of lawsuits that have been filed. You might feel differently, perhaps, if you had a family member who was mentally ill and you learned she was denied her medication and allegedly sexually exploited by Sandusky County jail guards for hours in an observational jail cell. Maybe not. 

holysee

Keep up the outstanding work Matt. A quality journalist is very rare, and indeed very dangerous to those investigated. CITY43420 is a typical apologizer for Sandco and thinks there is nothing to see here move along now! I say the corruption exposed so far really only scratches the surface.

Thank you Sandusky Register for hiring a great journalist.
Give Westerhold a raise!

I used to read the news mess in Fremont for some occasional sparse local "news reporting".
Does the news mess still even exist?
I haven't looked in a very long time.

CITY43420

A "Quality" Journalist would find out the facts before printing.. There are WAY more to each and everyone of these stories that people do not know and unfortunately may never know because of privacy. And I will have you know that I support my beautiful county and our LE because without them some of us wouldn't be here today..

Can the SR print anything good about our county? Like our farmers markets? The continued support for Fire Prevention, Drunk Driving and Texting Campaigns that are enforced in our schools even at the Elementary level? The knowing almost each and every Sheriff and City Cop on a personal bases because they are out in the community showing their support because of a tragedy or severe weather that caused damage?

See these are things that aren't reported however should be...

DickTracey

I printed something for your zip code today! It was on the NAMBLA website.

Attention all pedophiles come to Sandusky County, specifically 43420, the prosecutor and City43420 see nothing wrong with you guys masturbating with the 12 year old boys! Free love Fremont! No penalty for watching porn with little boys!

Jmschmidt812

You must be a member since you seem to reference that organization in other comment sections.

Jakes Dad

City, I have only ever asked for an open and transparent investigation. I have nothing to hide behind with "privacy". If there is anything you need or want to know just ask. There is a Facebook page "Justice for Jake and Ella" in place for you to do that. We have downloads of facts for you, as does the SR. City, I think we are a lot alike, we want the same things...to report on all of the good things in Sandusky County. You can help with this by liking and sharing the Justice for Jake and Ella Facebook page and most importantly, signing the petition to fix this matter so we can focus on the good in Sandusky County.

Simple Enough II

So how do You say she was denied her medications? Did they or did they not make attempts to contact a family member to get them, if they did how does that constitute her being denied her medications?

Matt Westerhold

Are you actually asking that question, Simple Enough? Really? I would guess, based on the reports, the priority was not getting her the medication. The priority, it seems clear, was to sexually exploit her for hours while they allowed her to be kept naked in an observational jail cell. Do you really think, really, they would be seeking to use this woman for their own sexual gratification while she was in their care, custody and control, and also be concerned enough for her well-being to also make sure she had the medications she needed? Really? You've reached a new low.

John Harville

how about the woman who died in Sandusky Police Custody of an overdose because no one checked her meds?

And the guy who had drugs in his underwear because he never was properly checked?

Seems there's some to go around.

holysee

CITY43420 you are wrong and you know it. They DESERVE to loose their jobs. The high-up repugs will rehire them for other county govt jobs anyway. No jobs lost here.

CITY43420

So you have never made a mistake? You have never accidentally done something and tried to cover it up with something else? You have never let someone take the fall for you? I am so tired of everyone acting like they are perfect and have done nothing wrong EVER in their lifetime!

holysee

NICE TRY. These are not mistakes but cover ups and entrenched corruption. Grow up.

DickTracey

Yes, one time I made a MISTAKE and I crushed a guys esophagus with my knee and 250 pounds of pressure.

Then I made a mistake and blasted 27 shots through a passed out guys body.

Then one time there were these kids drinking and shooting a gun, and I made the mistake of not collecting all the evidence from the crime scene, and the evidence I did get I LOST!

There was another time I was babysitting a naked girl and I made a mistake and talked dirty to her on the microphone, and then accidentally texted my buddies to brag about it.

One time, this prosecutor made a mistake and accidentally talked to a pervert pedophile for like five minutes on the phone!

This other mistake, my buddies and I were at a bar, where a kid passed out in the parking lot so we thought it would be cool to prank him, we tossed him in the dumpster! It was just a mistake though, not planned, we weren't in the bar laughing about it before hand.

But crap, everybody makes mistakes, nobody is perfect. When I am feeling down about my mistakes, I take my mind off of it by turning on some porn and inviting the little neighbor boy over to watch it with me while we knock of a little steam together.

bdid.d519

@DickTracey, that about sums it up perfectly! I bet you are super sorry though right? It's only going to take one of these weak links to crack, then the whole chain will fall apart!

Simple Enough II

Hey DT where do you get your info?

Simple Enough II

Lol, the prosecutor is a Democrat!

Jmschmidt812

That'll never happen. It's like a dog with a bone now. I understand these families have questions but the reporter has done them a great deal of harm with his constant attacks on the county. He's gone after everyone from the mayor all the way down to the common joe right here in the comments section. If I was a county employee I wouldn't give comment to him either. They should continue doing what their doing, they want something give them the paperwork and that's all. They do not need to comment on anything or to anyone. Even if they did it wouldn't be the right answers for everyone.

holysee

Since when is being persistent translated as an "attack"?
Rock on Westerhold and the SR. ROCK ON!

Jmschmidt812

It turns to attacks when you make comments based off of opinion and not fact, or print half stories to slant the article, or show bias when reporting. So go grab another glass of kool-aid

Jakes Dad

jmschmid812 I want to see the paperwork!

Jakes Dad

jmschmid812 I want to see the paperwork!

Jmschmidt812

Go thru and read the articles he wrote in the opinions sections. I'm sure you can read and you can do a little research on your own. He wrote an article demanding Sandusky county show respect. That entire article fell a little shy of calling them corrupt and printing as much.

Jakes Dad

Are the articles about when they were digging my boy for the 2nd time ? or when we had to lay him to rest for the 3rd time? I might have missed that one.But I am sure Ella will see it when she reads these blogs.

CatsAreTheBest419

City43420 I thought I was the only one on here that felt that way. I guess there are more common sense people out there that actually read this paper. Glad to have you aboard.

nosey rosey

Kinda funny when the parents aren't defending the actions of the careless son.

DickTracey

Are you referring to Paul Overmyer?

holysee

So ARE you referring to Paul Overmyer?

DGMutley

You're talking about Jake. I don't think he had the gun or fired the gun that cost him his life. All three of the witnesses should have been charged with negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter. My opinion.

sash

Based on what evidence? There needs to be evidence before someone is charged, let alone convicted. Charging anyone with no evidence isn't justice, it's a kangaroo court. The police have been poorly trained on procedure, and that falls squarely on the sheriff, and the coroner is an egocentric idiot. Poor job performance does not equal misconduct.

Jakes Dad

Your right sash.do not look at the science. If Jake was killed just a mile down the road I think there would be no SR blog for you to comment on.Does not equal misconduct? Good luck with that!But you have hope go to the Justice for Jake@Ella facebook page.

Babo

@ Sash: You state: "Poor job performance does not equal misconduct". Actually poor performance and failure to train both qualify as misconduct/malfeasance in office and or depending on the severity a variety of crimes such as dereliction of duty, obstruction of justice, and or tampering with witness.

These are public officers and are held to a higher standard and or accountable to the people they are supposed to serve. As such the Press and public have important roles under our Constitution in monitoring the conduct of public officers. All of us (especially the press) are encouraged and protected by the First Amendment to ensure public officers perform their duties with integrity to preserve our way of life.

red white and blue

Only people that are careless are sandusky county officials and anyone on here defending them either are them themself or @$$ ki $$ nosey rosey^^lets stick to the real problems and not make comments that make no sense or merit!

holysee

Hear, hear!

FreBerg2

Matt
I'm so proud of you for your last comment. You use allegedly sexually exploited instead of the usual form of slander of just saying Sexually Exploited. (If you need examples see links above.) Anyways being a proud resident of Sandusky County and the City of Fremont I find it ridiculous the amount of time and effort people have put in to destroying Mr. Overmyer or anyone involved in these stories. I find City to be quite funny. But before we all go on and sign this petition to remove these men from office lets look at these cases. Lets start with the register favorite the "Limberios shooting saga". To start off I don't agree with how the investigation was handle, but I do believe even it was handle correctly the results would be the same. I agree with the family to push for a change of suicide to accident but other than that I feel like your beating a dead dog. Unless Mr Overmyer gave the gun to Jake I don't feel like he needs to be removed from office. Lets be Honest the only person responsible for Jakes death is whoever gave him that gun. Whether or not you believe he shot himself he obviously wasn't responsible enough to own a handgun which the law requires you to be 21 to own not 19. So someone gave it to him. So if your looking for "Justice" lets start there.

Secondly Brian Jones. Lets not forget that the Family of Mr. Jones called 911 asking for help because they were afraid he was going to hurt himself or someone. So when the sheriff's does step in they become murders. That doesn't seem fair. I'm not trained in S.W.A.T. procedures but if i was placed in the same situation I cant say that I would have acted any differently. The register only prints one side of every story. I just wished that Sandusky County had a fair and balanced newspaper, not two tabloids.

holysee

I'M NOT A TRAINED SWAT TEAM MEMBER BUT I KNOW I COULD HAVE EASILY BROUGHT HIM OUT ALIVE WITH A SIMPLE STUN GUN ALL BY MYSELF.
Asleep with shotgun on chest.
Stun grenade wakes him up the BLAM BLAM BLAM! Why did they even waste a stun grenade? Wanted him to witness his own murder I guess?
Police wanted to play with their guns. One member of that swat team
even has a restriction from even owning a gun except when on swat team. Nice folks. Jones was murdered plain and simple.

Jmschmidt812

No he wasn't. Get a grip on reality. You wouldn't have went into a house with a stun gun, knowing there was a man in there with a shotgun. That's like taking a knife to a gun fight. Your so diluted to think that you or anyone else would approach that situation any different then they did.

Ctwhalers

As far as brian Jones goes i have talked to well respected officers outside of Ohio and they say that they handle that one wrong jakes case is not the only case overmyer has either screwed up or handle wrong

FreBerg2

Holysee

I'm glad you have your opinion. I just disagree with you. Lets look at this case. I don't know about you but I sleep really lightly. If my dog walks into my bed room I wake up. If I'm already pissed off and looking to hurt someone, lets just say threatening family members life's. (As in the Jones Case) I would sure as hell be happy to pull my trigger and shoot someone who was trying to sneak in to safely remove a gun on my chest. There's so many different scenarios that could have happened. Do I understand the flash bang. Not really but once again I'm not trained. But I'm sure we have all heard the phrase Hindsight's 20/20.

DGMutley

He was passed out. They could walked in and taken the gun. They threw the flash-bang, he jumped, and they shot him dead. It looks like murder to me. Sorry! On top of it the gun was empty!

Jmschmidt812

If it was that easy why didn't his parents do it? Ever hear of playing possum? That could have happened to. And let's get one more thing straight NOBODY knew that gun WASN'T loaded until the threat was removed.

red white and blue

Freberg^^^ I notice you didnt want to comment on the story about the women that was in jail that was mistreated.hmm? Funny you only commented on the two story's and avoided that one like I said the ones on here defending sandusky county leaders are most likely the leaders them sells or related to them

holysee

HEAR HEAR.
CONFIRMED.
WHAT HE SAID.

FreBerg2

HEAR HEAR
CONFIRMED
WHAT HE SAID
THINK FOR YOURSELF LOOK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX AND NOT WHAT THE MEDIA WANT"S YOU TOO. I WILL GLADLY GET MOCK FOR HAVING MY OWN OPINION INSTEAD OF CONFORMING TO THE GROUP..........................

Jmschmidt812

So by your reasoning anyone that defends the people involved on these cases are family members right? The officers involved in the case with the woman were ALL fired!!! So move onto something else.

FreBerg2

Red white and blue
I though I started off comment about that. Stating "I'm so proud of you for your last comment. You use allegedly sexually exploited instead of the usual form of slander of just saying Sexually Exploited." I can go into greater detail if you would like? Ok lets do that. Lets see three men were accused of making a so called "Mentally Ill" woman perform sexual acts on herself for there pleasure. They were than placed on leave and eventually either fired or resigned. I believe that's correct. If I'm wrong I'm sure you will let me know. So what did the Sheriff do wrong. If the allegations were true he removed them from service. I believe this case actually went to a Grand Jury and the men were not indicted on any charges. Now I might be mistaken but this Grand Jury release a report saying that mistakes were made but nothing worth termination or charges, even stating that these men didn't get a fair chance due to the media outbreak. You would have to ask Matt but at one point in time I believe the actually Grand Jury Report was in a register article. If a Grand Jury heard all the statements and testimony and decided these men were innocent I think I'm going to agree with them. Because they seen and heard more about this story than any of us. But I can talk about all of the stories if you would like. I'm rather educated and can read "Between The Lines" so I have my own opinion instead of conforming to the register view.

John Harville

I think brother of one is SC Repub Party Chair...

FreBerg2

Mr Harville
Thank you for that great post. You just proved that politics don't run Sandusky county. If it did the sheriff wouldn't terminate his chairman's brother. You must know the families well to provide this information. Thank you once again.

Buster66

Or keeps more notes on everyone in the community than a Register journalist.

Seen it All

And WHO presented the "Evidence" to the Grand Jury? How does that old saying go? "You can get an indictment for a ham sandwich, if evidence is given to the Grand Jury".

And that would be the same guy who don't think he can get indictment for the perverted State patrol who masturbates with little boys. Stinks of "good ol boy's club" from here.

FreBerg2

Seen it all.
That would be true but Mr. Dewine talk about handling this case on "between The Lines" this week. The county request his help due to conflict of interest.

Jakes Dad

I also had hope in Grand jury.IMo I think kile owes you 5,000 also.Because you are educated and can read "Between The Lines".

CatsAreTheBest419

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CatsAreTheBest419

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Ctwhalers

Cats he was sober when he posted his post. Shows how much you know.

holysee

Bomb squad robot. Long stick. High pressure water hose. Tranquilizer dart. Bean bag shot. Rubber bullet. Many other options too numerous to mention. Lazy cops or the police playin' with their guns?

Julie R.

Why no comments allowed on the article about the seven Murrays from the Murray & Murray law firm winning Super Lawyers of the Year?

As an afterthought, is that sort of like when Kevin Baxter won Prosecutor of the Year? (chuckle-chuckle)

Bodega

Because it's not an article. It's an Ad.

FreBerg2

Hey anyone want to talk about the Death of Lee Naus. To start I can tell you that I didn't vote for Mayor Jim Ellis, but he's done a heck of a job so far and as long as he doesn't keep the Ballville Damn he will receive my re-election vote. I'm going to admit I don't know a lot about this case, and that's why avoided it at first but lets give it a shot. So a man was found dead in a dumpster and it might have been a homicide. This is the one article I hope the Register continues to write about so we can gather more information, but what I do get is that the register is confronting Mayor Ellis about his statement, "No one at the city is going to answer your questions regarding this matter,” Ellis wrote to the Register. “It is an old case, and so the prudent thing is to promptly provide you with the documentary record and have you refer to it.” I see nothing wrong with this. What can Jim Ellis contribute to this story. Was he the Mayor at the Time? No. Was he on the Police Force? No. How would he have any usable information on a cold case. He provide the document's you ask for and went on with his day. So based on the paper work you received and tips you received in emails you believe that Fremont Police is covering something up. Well that maybe correct but I also have a great Tip. A young Kyle Overmyer and Tom Stierwalt actually killed Kennedy. Not Lee Harvey Oswald. They were both on the Grassy Knoll. If you need to Reach me to further the investigation my number (419)867 5309. My point is anyone can tip anything lets make sure they are real before you accuse a innocent man like Mayor Jim Ellis of being corrupt.

John Harville

Jim Ellis is Jim Ellis' greatest asset. He also is an opportunist. And a wealthy one at that. His first thought always is of his best interest. Not sure why SR went to him for info... but haven't followed that story much.

Matt Westerhold

Thanks for the comment John Harville. I have no idea whether Jim Ellis is wealthy,  an opportunist or any of the other words you use to describe him. The Register, however, did not seek comment from Ellis. Our questions were sent to Fremont police Captain Jim White, who referred the inquiry to Chief Tim Wiersma, who then referred it to law director Jim Melle. Ellis replied for everyone without receiving any inquiry from the Register. It would seem law director Melle, as an elected official, has a duty and an obligation to respond, IMO, and his willingness to do that and the duty and obligation he has cannot be usurped by the mayor. The questions White, Wiersma and Melle were asked are centered on a legitiimate matter of public concern. Their nonresponsiveness has no bearing on the legitimacy of the inquiry, and, in my opinion, is irresponsible, at best. 

And Freberg2, you're confused. As you acknowledged in your comment, you don't know much about this death at all. Your grassy knoll-JFK comment bears that out. It's a pretty silly analogy and represents more excuse making. Do you think there might be a time when the endless excuses will ever end? You've been here all day coming up with different excuses. Are you on the county clock?

 

FreBerg2

Matt
What excuses have I made? All I have I done is provide another point of view. I'm sorry if that upsets you. Isn't this blog for freedom of speech. And to accuse me of being on the country clock is outrageous. I am deeply offend, and that shows how this paper attacks anyone who cross them. By the way Matt Monday is my day off work.

Jmschmidt812

Ah there it is, I've been waiting to see this comment from you. Another stretch to place somebody on county payroll because they have a different view of things. Classic, thanks for not disappointing Matt. Oh yeah I'm still not associated with any law enforcement agency nor am I retired public employee.

red white and blue

@^^Friedberg both sides of my family have lived in fremont for over 70 years I've had family on both side on the police department and the sheriff's department this county USE TO BE SO PROUD.Those days are gone every county has its fare shake of mistakes but as many as Sandusky county has made in the last two years is unbelievable! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize something has to change! As far as "The Group"and "The Register"Truth hurts it news it facts if you don't like the many mistakes that have been brought to light don't make them or don't run for office! As a voter I pay for there wages there for I have a right to know answers and to know that the city is being run by people that are concomitant.

FreBerg2

Red white and blue.
I agree with you to a certain extent. If your not happy with the officials vote for someone else. I have never missed a chance to vote. The problem is in today's society rumors and lies become fact before people get a chance to defend them self. We live in a society that you are now guilty until proven innocent.

Jakes Dad

Think about that.Guilty until proven innocent. None of this might be.

Random Thoughts

Jakes Dad,  A lot of your supporters including myself have been wondering why you dropped your civil case to have the death certificate changed, especially since the attorney general, after a very thorough investigation, agreed that it was an accident.  It seems you were so close to at least getting a ruling from the judge.  If it was a matter of money, I'm sure there are attorneys out there who would finish the case at no cost.

Ctwhalers

I think they have another attorney so he trying to figure best way to handle this

bdid.d519

I will be sure to fight with and support all of you that are putting down these families when it one day hits one of your own. Especially Jake's family... If you think it can't happen to you and yours, I hope you are right... Sorry to say but your support for those who hide and destroy evidence won't do you any good then... Never say never... those are the famous last words of fools...

Stop It

A no win situation. Vote them out.

Steve P

Question, how often has this law been used, what was the success rate in removing any official, if anyone has this information with names and dates.

Babo

It's been very rarely used though citizens in a school district did successfully remove their entire school board in the last 10 years through the petition process. The ORC has a number of statutes that encourage citizen participation in government but with the growth of the power of the Bar and its desire to protect income streams by alliances with those in government and the media; citizen participation today is usually discouraged and hampered by the legal industry and citizens' lack of knowledge of their rights.

It will be difficult but not impossible to convince the Governor to take some action if a proper Complaint is drafted and there's a lot of support for it. This is after all an election year.

IMO, the SR's endorsement of DeWine in the last election was a major blow to the re-election of Cordray. DeWine used that endorsement in his ads in Cordray's Democratic strongholds in Northern Ohio.

Kasich can use this matter to take Democratic support in Northern Ohio from Fitzgerald. Similarly, DeWine's opponent David Pepper, a southern Ohio Democrat could use these stories to help his campaign against DeWine by showing he wasn't tough after all on public corruption.

Bodega

A lot of good points you make here, Babo.

Ctwhalers

His son was not careless. You apparently have no heart. Put yourself in his shoes.

red white and blue

J4J!!!!! AND THE MANY OTHERS THAT HAVE BEEN SHAFTED when you are elected you are sworn to uphold the law and protect the citizens not break the law and shaft the people of sandusky county

Babo

Interesting report in the News Mess concerning the hospital in Fremont agreeing to pay a huge civil fine to the Feds for improper financial relationships with referring doctors that impacted Medicare and Medicaid payments. By agreeing to the fine they don't have to admit culpability but hard to believe the Hospital would pay an $8.5 million dollar fine for no reason.

Doctors, lawyers, police...just waiting for the local bank to be exposed too.

Julie R.

If Sandusky County is so corrupt (and I don't doubt it) why not move to another county that is not corrupt? After all, there must be plenty of them around. (sarcasm) Why not move to the holy land of Eeerie County, where we have the Prosecutor of the Year, 7 lawyers that are Ohio's Super Lawyers of the Year, County Commissioners that walk on water, a new Clerk of Court that we keep hearing is the next best thing to Mother Teresa compared to the former one, not to mention the oh-so honest & ethical attorneys in the black robes at the Eeerie County courthouse!

Stop It

You never miss an opportunity, Jules. Gotta give ya that. :)

Ctwhalers

It Does not matter if we live in Sandusky county or not. Corruption needs to stop.I would like to see some in Erie county delt with to but there are so many right now in Sandusky county that need our help and support. By just sitting there and not doing anything is not helping any. It is time we all stand up and say enough is enough in the usa.

Julie R.

I support every one of the families in Sandusky County and if I lived in that county, you better believe I would have been the first to sign that petition. I thought it was horrendous what was done to Bryan Jones and I thought it was despicable what they did ~ and are still doing ~ to the Limberios family. It's like who in the heck do they think they are in that county, anyway? I still can't get that picture of Jake's dad kneeling at the cemetery out of my head. It was enough to make anybody sick, especially when there was absolutely no reason for it to ever go that far.

They ALL need to be kicked to the curb in that county!

red white and blue

^^i second that^^J4J

Ctwhalers

Some of you non supporters crack me up. You sit there and do nothing you act like there is nothing I can do about its not my problem but if it happens to you watch you will come crying for help from us. I am very proud of jakes dad. He told you where to get your information from and how he truly feels. Email the AG'S office and tell them you want the whole ag report on Jake limberios. Tell them you want eveything jakes parents got including audio everything. Then you come on here and tell us supporters what you think now. I bet none of you will cause you do not want to be proven wrong. J4J

Ralph J.

When somebody in the past tried to expose the corruption in Sandusky County, where were the voices in support? Must you wait until it happens to you and a loved one to cry out for support? What about the rest of you, the silent majority? Why the silence?

http://www.u4.no/articles/the-ba...

Babo

Great article! Ohio's government has a lot in common with third world developing countries.

DickTracey

Matt, I would love to see you guys design the graph like they did in the Steubenville rape case. It showed the football players, prosecutors, lawyers, Board of Ed members, police, and then it connected them with lines, showing relationship, etc. It made a huge impact when laid out like that, to show how everybody was related and had something to cover up! Just reading these comments, I hear more connections or relatives than I knew.

It could be called the Six Degrees of Sandusky County.

Here is Steubenville's. http://www.democraticunderground...

DGMutley

That would be very interesting!

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