Attorney asks jury to reconvene

Polygraph exam of third witness showed he was not being truthful.
Jessica Cuffman
Dec 5, 2013

 

Unanswered questions.

A failed lie detector test.

A family still grieving for their lost son.

The family of Jacob Limberios, 19, who died March 2, 2012, from a single gunshot wound to the head in a York Township home, is unsatisfied with the findings of a grand jury probe and the Ohio Attorney General’s investigation into his death.

Last month, the grand jury and the Attorney General’s office both issued reports stating Limberios shot himself in the head, an accident possibly caused by a gun defect.

Attorney Dan McGookey, representing Jacob’s parents, Mike and Shannon Limberios, asked the Attorney General’s office this week to reconvene the grand jury to hear testimony from the three witnesses to Limberios’s death.

But the plea will go unanswered.

In a statement from spokesman Dan Tierney, the Attorney General’s office said there is no legitimate cause to reconvene the grand jury.

“Any accusations that persons did not testify before the grand jury are conjecture and cannot be verified by an official source,” according to the statement. “While we cannot comment on what was presented to the grand jury, the information provided by Mr. McGookey represents existing evidence and testimony that was part of our previous BCI investigation, and provides no legitimate cause to reconvene a grand jury”

McGookey’s request came on the heels of knowledge not previously made available to the family: that a third witness had, in fact, taken a polygraph examination and investigators found he was not being truthful.

Sheriff’s office investigators previously disclosed two of the witnesses had also taken polygraph examinations and were found to be truthful in the statements they made to police in July 2012. The third witness did not take the test then.

According to documents from the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation, however, that witness agreed to take the exam in August 2013, after BCI officials took over the case from Sandusky County, when a visiting judge asked the Attorney General’s office to step in as special prosecutor.

The revelation of a third witness’s failed exam, coupled with results from additional polygraph tests the other two witnesses gave during a filming of the “Dr. Phil” show that aired last month, spurred McGookey’s request this week to re-open the investigation.

“It is incomprehensible how you could rely on an unsworn statement of a witness who your own agency determined to be lying, and the statements of the other two witnesses who were determined to be highly deceptive,” McGookey said in an email to the Attorney General.

“This is even more shocking when considering the fact that your office chose not to let the grand jury members even see or hear from these witnesses themselves, giving the members the chance to determine their credibility” he said.

Grand jury proceedings are guarded, held behind closed doors, and records are sealed after each meeting. In this case, visiting Judge Dale Crawford also chose to seal the subpoenas issued to the 55 witnesses who appeared before the court.

But Limberios family members and friends sat outside the courtroom for much of the proceedings, and they never saw the three people who witnessed Jacob’s death.

Meanwhile, McGookey and Justice for Jake supporters are not ready to accept the findings of the Attorney General’s investigation.

“We call on you to complete an investigation, which is clearly unfinished,” McGookey said. “Mike and Shannon deserve to know the truth as to what happened to their son. We believe that by any objective standard, there is reason to believe that they have not gotten it”

Comments

mikesee

WTF. Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who is up next? FBI, CIA, NSA, CSI, Law & Order, Mentalist, Castle, KGB, Interpool???? To bad Sylvia Brown died. Apparently they will NEVER let this rest until they get a different answer. My question is: what if they NEVER get the answer they want?????

Oh wait......maybe Long Island Medium can help!

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the unsilent ma...

Get that murder she wrote woman......she was good. Maybe perry mason

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BULLISDEEP

Psychic Network Miss Cleo

starryeyes83

John Edward is Still around!!

Don't forget Scotland Yard. and the KGB um don't forget the Corleone family ..Oh and the Di Mira family on Days of our Lives.

Sandusky Register ,IMO, has LOST all credibility beating this dead horse. Hopefully they and fake "DR Phil" ( not therapy ONLY entertainment) will be sued soon.

WTF ?!?! Indeed.

indolent indiff...

Mikesee: I am personally offended that you left off Quincy. This would have been the perfect situation for Quincy. My goodness, he would have dug in and performed perfectly. Other than that I agree

starryeyes83

Awww, I never gave Quincy a thought, either.

Darn.

tennisguy69

The family should sue the three people that were in the house, the home owner for the wrongful death of their son. When it effects someones money the truth will come out. If you listen to all the information on this case there is no way in hell that Jacob shot himself. For all those making fun if this, pray to God at night that this never happen to your love ones.

sandtown born a...

I agree the truth has not been found in this case, unfortunately without the evidence that was so conveniently destroyed that fateful night we probably will never know what really happened. Dewine is and always will be on the same side as law enforcement, the original investigators (using the term investigators very loosely)should be charged with obstruction of justice for basically refusing to do what they get paid to do. Pray for peace to Jakes family and friends.

deertracker

Agreed!

lmalley77

AGREED!!!!!!

Brick Hamland

How much money are the parents going to pay McCrookey to file a lawsuit against 3 kids that probably don't have any money to pay on a judgment (if one was awarded). I bet McCrookey's bill is in excess of $50K to date... that money would have been better spent in a 529 plan for Ella and her college education.

Carlos Danger

. . more like McKooky. The parents said they accepted the AG's findings. I wonder (not) who got them to change their minds.

Brick Hamland

The guy billing them $175.00 an hour most likely to keep this going

Seacher

They should also sue the gun manufacturer. I bet they quickly come in to demonstrate how their month old gun was not the problem. It is utterly insane that the grand jury did not call the three witnesses to testify. With the lack of evidence, they're the only people that know what happened for sure. And, what of no powder burns on the corpse. I think the whole dog and pony show was to get the egg off the face. I have zero faith in our justice system.

Truth2u

it should be re-opened immediately.
Last I heard lying under oath is a felony !
Our justice systems entire foundation depends on the A.General going after this person. IF NOT, then none of us are safe and assured that we can be assured that TRUE JUSTICE under the LAW is still the norm.

SamAdams

For the record, I don't believe for a second that there was any defect in the firearm. If there were, the rabid anti-gunners would be all over it, and there'd already be a lawsuit or three pending against the manufacturer.

ALSO for the record (and I said it months ago): I KNEW the family wouldn't accept the results of this investigation if it didn't agree with what they believe. In fact, I'll go on record now for any future investigations which the family ALSO won't accept...unless it concludes their conjectures are correct.

I'm deeply sorry for this family's loss. It's obvious they're still grieving. But grief doesn't begin to end until there's some acceptance. At some point, they're going to have to decide whether or not to accept their loss and move on...or live for the rest of their lives in a state of angry mourning. I frankly wouldn't wish the latter on my worst enemy.

UK

Just let it rest already. Why put these three through anymore? It is like they will not rest till they get the answer THEY WANT. Grasping at straws now. The three should sue them for harassment or defamation of character. Sounds like everyone in this case has been through enough obviously including the Limberios family. Unfortunately it is what it is. If it was an accident then it was. No one SHOT him purposefully. Justice for Jake should be to let him rest already. This has gotten too out of control with news papers, news, social media and talk shows. PLEASE LET THIS REST and everyone TRY to get back to some type of life.

lmalley77

Too many questions still not logically answered!!....Anyone with half a brain can look at all of the evidence, testimony, and otherwise that IS there, and see that it is HIGHLY unlikely that Jake shot himself!.....I continue to stand behind the Limberios family's plight for justice!! ...I really hope that they have the mental and emotional ability to keep on fighting, because saying that a gun had a "manufacturer default" and then saying that it was ONLY limited to Jakes gun, is yet ANOTHER oxymoron!...I agree with the commenter above who stated that this is highly unlikely due to the fact that the manufacturer would probably be all over this case to PROVE that it wasn't a manufacturer defect, as the AG suggested not once, but three times in his reading of the findings. For those of you who are "so sick" of hearing/reading about this, there is a thing, its called a brain, and sometimes when you use that thing called a brain, you can think what's called a thought. Now when you think the thought of, "I'm so sick of hearing about this...blah blah blah".....use that thing called a brain and think another thought like, "don't read this article, just move on, and go about your perfect daily life, the outcome of this does not concern you!" Good day! :)

starryeyes83

It doesn't concern you either, does it?

lmalley77

Actually, it concerns me more than you, since I am all for the family finding the TRUTH and you are all about "keep pushing everything under the rug!' If you even knew how to read and use that little brain of yours, I was quoting what YOUR THOUGHT should be saying to YOU when you see a headline that has to do with a subject that you don't agree with!!...

starryeyes83

You are as pathetic as the family at this point. You need a brain more than I.

Krissy3

The family's interest has been and still is getting the death certificate changed to something other than suicide. If Wukie would have changed it, this case would not have dragged on this long. The grand jury has decided that it was an accident, yet Wukie still refuses to change the death certificate. So, who is the one who is pathetic here?

starryeyes83

Read the interview via the Fremont Messenger, It explains much.

If the people want the rules of standard practice & procedure to change then they have to file a petition with the MEA.

Good Luck with that.

lmalley77

Touched a nerve aye!?!......That's the ONLY thing you can come back with??...I'm just laughing at you because you are basing all of your comments on your feelings toward the Limberios family, not with facts!! :)

starryeyes83

Lisa, ( remembered that from another thread )

It's eh, not aye,( I'm not a pirate ;]

I have nerves of steel and no dog in this hunt. I have no feelings toward the family or anyone in this. So you used the wrong word.

Bottom line is BURDEN of PROOF lies with the family!!!

Good luck with that.

Tired of paying for a paper with the news coverage of this when it is no longer news.

Oh that's right, I stopped my subscription.

:)

Good luck with your detective work , though, kiddo.

You keep trolling my comments because you're hot to trot for "comeback" then why are you posting on here? Unless you were boffing the kid or one of the lackeys.

You don't like my opinions? GOOD ... I don't care- who the hell are you to me?

Nothing.

Erie Sniper

I was a supporter for the Justice for Jake campaign to get the AG involved to investigate this horrible tragedy. But this is getting ridiculous. I'm sorry Jake died and at some point you are gonna have to accept that it was an accident. I will not support the efforts to investigate the guns defects, if there are any, because this will only lead to a lawsuit to sue the gun manufacturers. To reconvene the Grand Jury based on one persons lie detector results is nonsense. Since when are lie detector results an exact science or even evidence for a trial. Please stop kicking this horse!
Maybe some of this energy or effort needs to be used on educating young people to not play with guns while drinking.

lmalley77

What I see people such as yourself keep saying over and over again, is the fact that you "shouldn't drink and play with guns." While that statement IS true, the fact is being overlooked by many, that Jake was the ONLY one not drinking that night!....The other witnesses have said on national television that Jake didn't have an ounce of any alcohol that night, but that they, the witnesses, had been drinking. I ask you this, with that information, and the fact that alcohol does in fact affect your actions, WHO would have been more likely to cause this, per say "accident," a person who had no alcohol in his system, who is well trained in gun handling and safety, or a couple of drunk kids who CLAIM that they never shot a gun before that (even though both Will and Brittany have both been contradicted on this, Will by himself on national television!) night???.....It takes logic people, and the logical thing here, is that it would have been close to impossible for Jake to have done this to himself while "itching" his head, not to mention, that although the AG states three different times, "manufacturer defect," after the reading of the findings and during an interview, the AG then says, "but it was only limited to Jakes gun." How in the world could they POSSIBLY know that it IS a manufacturer defect, yet say that Jakes gun is the ONLY one of that particular make and model in the WORLD, that has that manufacturer defect!?... I won't forget to throw the fact in that SC is waiting to get their hands on that gun so that it can be "destroyed." Now why on earth would they want to do that??...To make sure there is no way in hell for the family to really find out on their own if Jakes gun has a manufacturer defect??

mikesee

Yet lacked the common sense not to let "drunk" people from playing with his gun?

lmalley77

Maybe he never let them "play" with the gun at all, MAYBE he really went there to sell the gun to one of the witnesses, as they stated, but when one of them was "looking" at it, they shot him, and then went outside and fired off the remaining rounds so they would all have gun powder on their hands, and then made up this elaborate story of how they were all "shooting" it together outside with Jake!!!...Maybe, just Maybe....but I guess nobody ever gave that a thought huh!?!?

mikesee

Again he let a "drunk" person have the gun. Why?

mikesee

"But Limberios family members and friends sat outside the courtroom for much of the proceedings, and they never saw the three people who witnessed Jacob’s death."

Do you really think this would have been a good idea!

Note to people...NEVER take a lie detector test. They are inadmissable in court so therefore no one is required to take one.

UK

lmalley...regarding the brain...it is hard to look away when this is everywhere! Facebook, yard signs, news, news papers, Dr. Phil ETC... But guess what...with all of this... it is not getting them the answer they want. I agree the investigation was non-existent, the three in the home may have lied to some extent, blah blah blah...but at some point people need to move on with their lives. The sandusky register needs to also stop the maddness with this case already. Nothing has changed with all of these efforts...nothing! A lot of work from a lot of people has been put into this case and yet...NOTHING IS WORKING. Let it rest.

rjk1915

One thing is clear: if Jake had not had a gun ----.

starryeyes83

Very true, very true, and at your age; you're wiser than all of us combined.

TheLegend

Seriously considering putting a "Justice for Brittany, Will and Evan!" Sign in my yard....

sandtown born a...

That's your right just as the justice for jake supporters have that same right

man_on_the_street

While I understand the sentiment, I'd think twice before doing that. The J4J supporters might seek their vengeance upon you, as they refuse to debate this calmly. I do think something stinks in this case, but at some point you have to accept that the only justice you'll receive is public support.

TheLegend

So basically they are bullies? Well these aren't the kind of people I would support in any way! I obviously wouldn't put that sign in my yard as I have no affiliation to anyone involved, but at some point we have to ask ourselves when does this become harassment to the 3 witnesses.....

starryeyes83

Agreed and I'm sure there are future lawsuits to be filed against the family and media outlets.

This even went over to England's Daily Mirror.

lmalley77

lawsuits against the family for WHAT???...Because they are seeking the TRUTH in how their son died???....I have never ONCE seen ANY of them BASH any of the "witnesses," or slander or blah blah blah....As a matter of fact, I have seen numerous times on the J4J FB page that they do NOT want the witnesses harassed or threatened and that they don't think it was intentional, but an accident, so why would they think they could EVER win a lawsuit against this family!?!....Now you are grasping at straws!!...I think you and people like you are just mad that there is a possibility that the Limberios family will continue their fight...as I said earlier, if you are SOOOOOO tired of hearing and seeing about this, WHY are you even still wasting your time in the comment section of tthis article????....Why not just go about your day???.....I mean seriously, since you are SOOOOO tired of hearing about it!!!!

starryeyes83

I would but you keep yapping about it so I do it just to make you mad.

After all tit for tat.

Lisa,
You also keep accusing and implying that those other three murdered him now if that's not libel I don't know what is.

I'll tell you what Lisa, since YOU know so much and were pretty much there. According to YOUR statements ... I'll get ahold of the authorites for you and give them YOUR name and they can contact you through here. okay? How's that.

I'm more than happy to do that for you.

You are rabid and everyone who disagrees with you -- you automatically accuse me and them of being one of the three. YOU are INSANE!!

I'm tired of it. So I took the liberty of printing these comments so that I can turn them in, so they can come talk to you SINCE YOU KNOW SO DAMN MUCH. About all the little details.

Are YOU okay with that. Lisa ?

Are we still playing?

lmalley77

Why do you keep calling me "Lisa"????.....Apparently you THINK you know who I am!!...I'm sitting here laughing at you right now!!!...And no, after this comment, I will not play your "game" anymore!....I have spent my entire day off posting my thoughts and opinions to this thread, I have to go to bed now for work in the morning!! Ta Ta

lmalley77

And you can do WHATEVER your little heart desires sweetie!!! Because like I stated in other comments, I comment based on "facts" that I have read and researched from the SR and J4J FB page, unlike you, who comes here only to belittle this family and their plight for justice. I'm glad you wasted your ink, have fun with that! :)

starryeyes83

Um, yeah, thought so! :)

starryeyes83

Um, yeah, thought so! :)

mikesee

You just played it! bahahaha

John Harville

QUESTION ONE: How do you complete a Grand Jury investigation without bringing in all three witnesses?

QUESTION TWO: How did a PROBATION OFFICER from a neighboring county get seated on a grand jury investigating, among other things - conduct by LAW ENFORCEMENT? The PO revealed his/her presence on the GJ while it still was DELIBERATING.
QUESTION THREE: You expected justice from a Republican AG in a case involvling law enforcement in a heavily Republican county where both Republican judges were removed from the case?

TheLegend

Ignorant....

John Harville

The Grand Jury should have been conducted in another county with persons from another county...where folks haven't been overwhelmed with 'justice' signs.

BOTTOM LINE... the GJ report indicates what many have known for a long time - our local criminal justice system leaves much to be desired. But then, this is the sheriff who brought in counselors to teach his officers how to deal with the mentally ill AFTER he fired some for mishandling a mentally ill prisoner...

lmalley77

And yet another good point is brought to the table!!!...When you put EVERYTHING together, it only makes sense that the whole thing is one big cover up!!...The AG is not the last stop...there is someone higher than him, and I would take it all the way there if it were my son and I had the means!!

chefcap69

I am so glad that I don't shop at the Bait Store this family and a lot of the community are patronizing. When the wind is from the east, the fishies bite the least. Please quit throwing hooks in the water. The only things that are being caught are old boots and car tires. Time to reel in and head home for the night. I do feel bad about what happened. I'm not a cold hearted person. But when you keep trolling for new answers, your boat is bound to run out of gas!!

sandtown born a...

I wouldn't stop with so many unanswered questions, keep fishing until you land the real truth.

starryeyes83

They should sue their dead son for F***ing around with a loaded weapon.

What a crock.

These people are a joke now...

Ctwhalers

Starryeyes that is so mean to say. They should sue you for saying that. The only joke is you.

starryeyes83

Yep, I was mean - too bad.

Truth hurts!!

So was tricking the others to go on tv, So is this newspaper for keep on with this pathetic excuse for a soap opera "saga" ..But I bet the advertising hits are up there.

The GJ findings are final. The family doesn't want to accept it. After they said did, now they don't, AGAIN!!

Oh and I don't see too many signs left up in my area.

ladydye_5

I am still seeing a few in my area. I wondered about them. How long will this go on?

lmalley77

Hahahaha...you are just TOO funny!!!...How on EARTH were they "TRICKED" into appearing on TV???....They WANTED to go on TV because they wanted a free trip to California!!!!....I mean c'mon, you MUST be related to one of them ,or ARE one of them, for you to be getting so worked up over something that you say you are tired of hearing about!!!!

starryeyes83

Wrong again.

Don't quit your day job you would not make a good PI.

Ctwhalers

You non supporters are a joke. Yes lie detector test are aloud in a grand jury but not regular court. It seems from the fremont paper that evan took a test in august but the family or there lawyer did not find out till the paper put it in it. Something sounds fishy in Sandusky county. It sounds like key evidence was left out of the grand jury. Wonder why? Is your AG's office corrupt to? What is the AG's office afraid to open it back up cause it might get them into trouble to. Legend you seriously want a sign for them. AG's office needs to get off there butts and redo this whole case over and right. Yes some evidence was destroyed but they still have enough to do a case with. The hair on gun could have been dog hair instead if human. But my guess they never had it tested to see if it was human or not. They say there was no foluc on hair to do dna well they still could have done one. Fbi has a machine to do test without folic. They just blowing smoke up the familys butt. Uk I am glad the register keeps posting this. Keeps me up to date. Erie sniper you where a supporter but now you not. True supporters do not change sides. Brick hamland the family will do what ever it takes yo find justice but as far as money and lawyer you gave to clue. Mike I hear cold justice might be interested in this one. JUSTICE FOR JAKE & ELLA will prevail. Weather yoy guys like seeing it or not it will keep getting posted plys I bet as long as there are signs still left they will keep giving the them out. I had one sent out of state for me to put in my yard. Alot if my fellow officer friends are appalled by the way this whole case has gone on and the way it was investigated. They say the county should be ashamed. Gives the good officers a bad name.

lmalley77

Aside from the grammatical errors :) this statement is very well put!!....Too much not adding up, and now ALOT of people wanting to keep it swept under the rug!!...If Jakes family is reading this, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep going!!!...Do NOT let a couple of non-believers bring you down! You still have a lot of us here cheering you on!!!! #justiceforjake

starryeyes83

Not to mention the spelling.

The BURDEN of PROOF - STILL lies with the family and friends.

I hope they (courts) start throwing the cases out.

Junk lawsuits. The family at this point is only after money.

( yeah -I know- I'm mean, but right)

No MORE sympathy here.

lmalley77

Last I heard, they were looking for the truth, not money!

starryeyes83

PROVE IT !

red white and blue

Anyone here that thinks this is a joke^^^(starryeyes83) is a joke themselfs makes me wonder of that's u Brittany, will, or evan hiding behind a fake name! I have no dog in yhis fight but it don't take a rocket scientist to figure out they are all covering this up so the county don't get sued!! As far as loe detector test not being admisable they were all for them till they came up they were lying J4J!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

starryeyes83

Hey , red, white, blueballs, You moron! I'm Class of '83 and have been on here for about 10 years, and your point is??

I have stated before I don't know anyone in this case.

Oh, and your spelling is horrible. Put down the crack pipe and crack open a dictionary.

Whatsa matter? You fools lost your case. It's done.

Next.

red white and blue

Mikesee you are just trolling your comment are ignorent and have no merit

Stop It

"ignorent?" Yeah, that about sums up your and Ctwhalers comments.Go back to "skool" if you have already graduated. Take English courses.

Mommy25

I have not followed the case; however, I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt, that if Jake were my child and with all reported mishandling of this case, I would fight too. At this point, Jake's family has been shown nothing more than they can not trust those who are in charge of finding the truth. Why should/would they trust blindly now? My heart goes out to Jake's family. I hope one day the whole truth comes out and they can start the process of healing.

CONCERNED MOM

I finally have to comment on this, I must say I do not know any of the parties involved, this is my opinion on this, I agree with the people if you are tired of reading about this then don't, I also believe there is something fishy about this case.
Even just watching the actions of these 2 kids on Dr. Phil show you could tell they were lying, with or with out the lie detector tests. Now all of a sudden, he was scratching his head and shot himself, but she did not actually SEE him shoot himself BUT, she said he was using the gun and shot himself, its because he didn't, this is all a bunch of coverup b.s., also, I was trained in ccw, I am no way, shape or form and expert on handguns, but i do know that, even if you have the hammer cocked you have to use the trigger to shoot the gun. Is it possible they got into a scuffle and shot him and then went outside and all shot gun so all there prints would be on the gun. I do not agree they threw away her clothes as well as what ever they did with the rest of the other twos clothes. They all know exactly what happened. If that gun as powerful as it was, him scratching his head and pulling the trigger would blow half his head off? And why was the girl at the house with 3 guys? Did she set him up, and where is the mother of this baby? how is she involved? were they broke up, fighting custody of the child and offed him so she could have full custody? I as a mother would fight as much as possible, there are 3 people they are covering up for, I'm sorry for these kids, but if in fact, they killed him and get off they will live with this for the rest of there lives, and yes maybe they should get a pchyic, maybe they could shed some light on what took place. I agree with sandtown, DO NOT STOP SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH NO MATTER WHAT, JAKE WILL COME BACK AND HAUNT THE CRAP OUT OF THESE KIDS FOR LYING. I think one of them shot him and are covering for each other. FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT!!!!!!! AND SUE THE CRAP OUT OF SANDUSKY COUNTY FOR A PISS POOR INVESTIGATION!!!

starryeyes83

You did read about the 30%, didn't you. And that test was done in a controlled environment when it was handled safely.

Now imagine. the odds going up when the gun is NOT handled safely , You do understand that Jacob had a habit of having his finger still on the trigger while the hammer was cocked ... it was on the video it was proven.

Now add drinking to the mix along with the medications he was on.

lmalley77

I agree with everything in your statement, except for the fact that you question Ellas mom. She is and has stood by the Limberios family the whole time, wanting justice and the truth just as much as the Limberios'. She has even stopped talking to her own blood sister, and doesnt believe Brittany, so if she grew up with Brittany and doesn't believe a word she's saying, to me, that speaks VOLUMES!! Her and Jake were together when this happened, they had gone out looking at houses together the day before and the day of the shooting. I find it interesting that you also have a theory similar to mine, and that is, DID they ever go out back and shoot the gun WITH JAKE, or did he get killed and then they all went outside and shot it so as to have gunpowder on all of their hands??....I made the exact same comment a few weeks ago!!...I personally don't even believe that Jake shot that gun WITH them, especially since, when they were asked on national television why the last round hadn't been fired from the gun while they were all still outside shooting with jake , their answer was, "because it was too cold outside!" Are you freakin kidding me????....It takes a split second to fire off a round, and they were ALREADY out there, supposedly with Jake, shooting the gun, but nobody thought, "hey, its just one more second, let's shoot off the final round!" I believe wholeheartedly that the reason there was one left in the chamber, is because they didn't think anyone would ever ASK why they never shot off the last round!!...Think about it, they are saying the story went like this: four of them, including Jake, shoot the gun one time outside, then Jake accidentally shoots himself with the last bullet... so that's 5 bullets right?...Maybe, the gun still had all 5 bullets in it when Jake was shot, then they all panicked, ran outside real quick and each one shot off a round, one of them shooting twice to "take" Jakes shot, so that they would ALL have gunpowder on their hands, and none of them would go to jail!!....Will said, on NATIONAL TV, that the reason Jake "supposedly" gave them each a shell casing, was because it was all their first time shooting a gun!...BUT, then he turns right around in the same sentence and says, " well, except the time I shot a .22," but then he realizes what he says, and quickly laughs it off and pushes it under the rug!!...It was either the first time they had ever shot a gun, or it wasn't, but it can't be both!!...And then when I heard the AG say in his reading that Brittany had shot the gun with Jake before the night he died, I was shocked!!....EVERYTHING, and ALL of the other things that are way too fishy, SCREAMS COVER UP!!! I just hope and pray that one day, the Limberios' and Ella and her mom will know the real truth behind what happened to Jake that night! I will continue to stand by them!!

starryeyes83

Just how they were going to buy a house? He had gotten fired!

lmalley77

Starry eyes....learn how to read...I never said they were going to "buy" a house, only that they went looking at houses. Could have been to rent!!..Seems like you are awfully much against this family finding out the truth!! I have to wonder how YOU are connected to these "witnesses!" Are you a family member?...Will, Evan or Brittany hiding behind a fake screen name?...You seem to be throwing out nothing but hatred, unlike supporters such as myself, who are arguing with FACTS!!...And how many times does it have to be said that Jake was NOT drinking at all that night!?!?!....The only thing I can say to yourself and any other person who is "against" the Limberios' searching for the truth is, I hope that something like this never ever happens to one of your loved ones and that you are left with questions that continue to go unanswered and illogically explained!

starryeyes83

Well, Lisa, ON another thread someone stated that they were looking to buy.

Frankly, I'm surprised anyone would make that detail public. Since it's not really relevant.

Rent or buy? Again how when he had no job? How do you know he wasn't drinking. Where are the tox reports?

Good Luck on your PI license.

lmalley77

I know he wasn't drinking because Will and Brittany said on national television that he wasn't. And maybe there would have been tox. screen results if Sandusky County would have done their jobs!!...And by the way, I often get mixed up with Lisa based on my screen handle, but that is far from me! I'm packing the wrong equipment for me to be a "Lisa," if you know what I mean.

starryeyes83

Well hey You ASSumed a lot about me and a few others, I just thought I'd return the favor.

mikesee

And to think they haven't found the body or killers of Jimmy Hoffa. Maybe the SR can get on that.

sandtown born a...

Troll elsewhere

mikesee

I will troll where I want to.

Really, will this ever stop?

sandtown born a...

Had this been my son it would never end until the truth comes out not just opinion .

starryeyes83

Maybe they can also prove Elvis is still alive.

red white and blue

Stop it this isn't pick out spelling errors.Lord it must be hard to be so educated.Its funny that when you or anyone else disagrees that is your comback.Once again I got my point acrossed now only if you and some others on here could READ BETWEEN THE LINES! J4J!!!!

red white and blue

Also ^^^ MIKESEE^^^ it pain me to say this it really does! But on another article (wages) you and me couldn't agree more yet here you are so off base makes me wonder what your thinking.unless your just stiring the pot.

sandtown born a...

He's trolling that's all it is

mikesee

Not trying to stir the pot. Just putting my thoughts out there. After the AG spoke the concensus was that they accepted the explanation and felt it to be satisfactory. Next thing you know they are starting up again.

Look, I am being serious when I ask what if they never get the answer that they are seeking? This has been a horrific ordeal but sometimes there are no logical explanations. Has this whole investigation been botched? YES. The best way to show your displeasure is to vote out the people that you can and hope that new office holders can either demote or fire those who have botched this from the start and get more competent people in those positions..

As far as the corner goes he is not a medical examiner nor a forensic pathologist and if those of you on here feel strongly about changing laws regarding this there are proper procedures for getting this law changed. Get it started. It is a process but can be done.

Ctwhalers

First of all you talk to gun smiths or manufactures say that what the AG says happened to the gun could not of happened that way. The family and supporters will not we stop till justice is served. Signs will continue to go up as long as they have them. Sorry you guys hate seeing this all the time but Sandusky county screwed up plus story keep getting changed. I am done commenting you all make me sick. J4J

lmalley77

It is also my humble opinion that the "witnesses" are not mad that the Limberios family is still seeking the truth, and that they are being "harassed," BUT that they are SO upset that some people have probably figured out EXACTLY what happened that night, and that there is a possibility that if the family keeps pushing, their LIES will come out and one, if not all of them, will end up in prison!!....I think they are so scared, they are mad!!!..And they should be, because somebody IS lying, and if this case comes along the right hands, the truth WILL be found out!!!

starryeyes83

PROVE IT!!

red white and blue

Starryeyes^^ class of 89 here and yes I have an education! I also own and operate a very successful business. I'll take a spelling class when you take a comprehension class and for now on i'll call you by your real name Brittany.oh and just for you J4J you can't keep living a lie!

starryeyes83

Wrong again, squid, I'm 48 so that shoots your theory. I've been on here about ten years, So you're not too smart. OH look up the archives of the casa fiesta raids from '07- '08 My comments are on there.

Brittany is a stupid name. I'm glad mine never fell into category of a "popular" name.

Can't believe you're dumb enough to think I just started posting with this story.

Bwaahhhaaa!!

Jmschmidt812

You can't have it both ways. The original polygraphs given to the first two were said to unreliable because the type of polygraph used. And now you want people to believe that since third witness took the same type of polygraph, that one should then be considered reliable. Doesn't work that way folks. It is either reliable for all or unreliable it's that simple. You can't use those tests to fit your needs. The polygraph that was given on the Dr. Phil show can't be, and shouldn't be, used as proof either. Dr. Phil's expert had the opportunity to review the states polygraph exam, and as far as I know the state wasn't given the same opportunity to review his tests. So AGAIN you can't have it both ways

Ctwhalers

Starryeyes there side can prove alot can yours? Do not think they can. How do you know the third one took the same lie detector test as the rest cause he failed it and the others supposedly passed there's. I am sure AG's ooffice made sure he took the right test compared to the other two. You seen to know to much about those kids just saying.

Jmschmidt812

It was administered by the state, and by what the supporters are saying he failed it. Now the other 2 " kids " were given a test by? You guessed it, the state. So one would assume it was the same test. I know nothing of these kids nor do I know anything of Jake. What I know is what is printed here and is suppose to be fact. You seem to think the entire blame should rest on the shoulders of SCSO. You couldn't be more wrong. Had it not been for the fact that this young man ILLEGALLY transported a weapon from one home to another there would have been no reason for an investigation. Had someone not BOUGHT the ammunition for him, this tragedy would not have happened. So start at the beginning of the night and place blame where it belongs. People keep saying he took the weapon over there to sell it. There is something extremely sketchy about someone selling a gun, or trying to sell one, on the middle of the night. I am in no way saying that this investigation wasn't botched. What I am saying is this ALL could have been avoided had the gun not been moved illegally, and he had not been able to obtain the ammunition. To me this scenario is exactly like the bar who keeps serving someone who is already drunk, then gets in an accident and kills someone. The bar is held responsible for not cutting the guy off and providing him alcohol. Whoever supplied the ammunition needs to be charged for giving it to him and contributing to his death.

starryeyes83

I don't have a side. The Burden of Proof is on the family.

Why do all you idiots think people are on "sides". I'm an observer. I NEVER KNEW THESE PEOPLE EXISTED TILL THE KID SHOT HIMSELF! And it was all over my paper and tv.

The AG findings are final. What part of that don't you comprehend?

Jack518

It has bothered me that the father of Jake has wondered what he was going to tell Ella about her father's death. He really should be consulting Ella's MOTHER about that. She is the one who should be doing all the explaining, not him. After all, she is the mother and it is her responsibility, not his. With the difficulty he is having in accepting even the AG's findings, perhaps he shouldn't explain anything to his granddaughter.

This ongoing search is really getting old fast. My sympathy for their loss, but enough is enough. The time for investigation was at the time of death, not this ongoing witch hunt. How many more times does this family need to hear the same thing?

Because a deceptive lie detector test is reached does NOT mean someone is guilty of conspiracy, murder or anything else. They are NEVER going to tell him what he wants to hear even if they ARE guilty as sin.

Either get some help to get over the grief or resign yourself to the fact that you will never know the truth. Not ever question has an answer. I learned that one the hard way.

Acceptance is the first step on the road to peace. It is time to take that step. May God go with you.

Ctwhalers

Jack if that was your kid what would you do? Yes there is an answer for the questions the family wants. The ones that need help are you that keep saying this should be done. The ones that show no compassion for this or the family.

Stop It

Ctwhalers
Thu, 12/05/2013 - 4:11pm

" I am done commenting you all make me sick. J4J"

Well?

BTW, your handle reminds me of a cat in heat. Just sayin'..:)

Ctwhalers

Yes I was yesterday today is a different story. My handle is for the old hartford whalers hockey team. You should follow your handle and stop It then.

Stop It

My handle is my attitude. It will not stop.

Julie R.

The AG's office issued a report that said (quote) Jacob shot himself in the head, an accident possibly caused by a gun defect.

Excuse me, but if they did an investigation, why are they taking a guess? In addition, if they really thought that was the truth, shouldn't they be concerned that there just might be thousands of more guns out there with the same defect? Obviously, not even the gun manufacturer is concerned or I'm sure there would have been a recall. Also, considering it's on record that the gun defect crap came from DeWine's office, why isn't McGookey going after the gun manufacturer?

Ithink

You people are ridiculous!! As a parent, I would go to the ends of the earth to find out the TRUTH about my child's death. I would think every other mother or father would do the same. Just because the AG's office made their findings does not legitimize the case, especially since evidence was not presented to the jury. The AG's office is not infallible. There are higher courts. And you bet your last penny I would not stop if it were my child. J4J&E

sandtown born a...

Every last penny and every last breath would be used trying to get the REAL TRUTH to come out. People just like to stir the pot and get a argument started evidentially they are one of the 3 liars or they live a boring life with nothing else to entertain themselves with.

starryeyes83

Why do you idiots keep thinking the rest of us are one of them You are as stoned or brainwashed as the rest of them.

The only ones who are stirring the pot is the Media. And but for the fact that most of the rest of us aren't buying the conspiracy garbage. That automatically makes us on "one side OR another". There are no sides.

Most of us don't have a dog in this hunt, But the "supporters" are so rabid that they think we do.

You're nuts and it kind of makes me wonder what kind of drugs and or Kool aid was passed out at those J4J rallies.

Ithink

I am a staunch supporter of Mike and Shannon Limberios. I have never used the words 'conspiracy' or 'cover-up' when referring to the AG's 'investigation'. I simply stated that I would not take their 'opinion' about what supposedly happened to a dead young man, without ever introducing failed lie detectors or producing witnesses that were present that night, to the grand jury. I haven't had any Kool-aid while in this metropolis called Castalia; and am certainly not brain-washed. I am a parent who would not rest until every pebble on this earth was overturned if this were my child. For those of you sick of this story--turn the page, don't read any more articles, and go on about your lives. Seriously, it wouldn't hurt our feelings.

Jmschmidt812

6 out of 8 pathologist came to the same conclusion. The supporters called for the AG's office to take over so they could get the truth. Now that the AG's office has produced it's findings, it still isn't the truth based on the supporters OPINION, not by fact. And then the supporters go as far as saying that the AG's office is part of this conspiracy theory. It's a far fetch for anyone to believe that the AG's office would cover up something like this in the bustling metropolis that is Castalia. It's time to take a step back and reevaluate this entire case. Start with what led up to shooting and how and why he would move a gun to supposedly sell to someone in the middle of the night and go from there

pizon

so many questions, so sad

red white and blue

Starreyeyes AKA brittany^^ you talk a lot about people on drugs, koolaid? Whatever that means. Your awfully sperratic and paranoid maybe you should look in the mirror.

JudgeMeNot

You have to forgive Starreyeyes. She is still bitter from the drunken night she lost her virginity in the backseat of a 69 Chevelle.

starryeyes83

OH, now Judgie, why would you say I'm bitter? You are way Off topic and base ... But since you brought it up - I'll clarify. Since I'm not a drinker, I remember that night very well, Lets see it was a warm night at a lovely beach house. Oh, and the song "starryeyes" By Motley Crue was playing on the stereo. We had a good time. Enough said.

You sound awfully bitter or jealous yourself. '69 Chevelle ? (hmmffph) He at least had the good sense to own a Roadrunner :)

:) :)

Now Back on Topic.

Sal Dali

Seriously, to those who are tired of reading about this family's fight to find out what happened to their son after the only other three people present when it happened failed polygraphs...move on. Everyone else is also tired of seeing your endless and heartless sarcasm. It is a fishy story on the witnesses part (for the first time now they say he was scratching his head with the gun?)and mighty convenient for the AG to find the firearm had a defect, a defect unique to that particular firearm, meaning the ONLY one that had that defect out of the entire lot manufactured. RIGHT. Wanna buy some nice swampland in Florida? Only one lot left...hurry hurry. Show some respect and compassion. What makes you think your opinion is so important to anyone who cares anyway? It is an annoyance and nothing more. They have lost their loved one. Be grateful this hasn't happened to your family. How would you feel if it did? Would you want people to ridicule you or talk junk? They are the ones who have an empty seat at the dinner table every night, not you. They are the ones that will never see or hug their son again, NOT YOU. People who lack compassion are the reason society is so screwed up. If the witnesses want people to believe them, maybe they should try telling the truth or stick to the same story when they're partying with the few friends they still have left. Lay off the father; he is Ella's grandpa and has every right and probably the mothers permission and blessing to explain to Ella considering her sister was present when it happened. I read in another paper Brittany thought she was being reconciled with her sister on the Dr. Phil Show...Ella's mom must have her doubts about their story as well. I don't have a dog in this race either but I sure as heck don't want this to happen to anyone else.

White Owl

The entire matter should have been presented to federal authorities months ago as part of a request for an official misconduct investigation. The purpose of the state grand jury was to inquire into the cause of death NOT whether there was misconduct or wrongdoing in the investigation. Thus, the witnesses did not need to be called because the state presented their statements as given to the LEOs who interviewed them

I'm wondering if a foreclosure attorney with little criminal experience is qualified to adequately pursue the case and if the Limberios family interests are best served by their son's death being blog fodder. The presentation is very unprofessional.

(Updated at 10AM) The issue of the SR misusing the power of the press in conjunction with attorneys to improperly influence court cases was recently raised in another story line. The comments on "Zinc owners fight eviction" appear on the Top Comments list but if one clicks the story the comments do not appear. This may be a result of several posters pointing out the SR was omitting relevant facts from court records (that are readily available and could have been posted as part of the story) to paint a misleading impression of one party at the expense of the other party.

Again, IMHO, the SR is no longer helping the Limberios family cause by encouraging uninformed comments on a complex legal matter but is sensationalizing a story line to generate revenues. It's unprofessional conduct by both the paper and legal counsel