Witnesses fail lie detector tests

“Dr. Phil” segment comes to an end, family still doesn’t have answers
Sandusky Register Staff
Nov 16, 2013
Deceptive.

Results of lie detector tests two witnesses took during a taping of the “Dr. Phil” show found they are not telling the truth about how Jacob Limberios was killed.

Brittany Bowers and Will Lewis both failed the tests administered by former FBI polygraphist and special agent Jack Trimarco, according to information from the second of a two-day segment of the “Dr. Phil” program that aired Friday.

Watch as the Limberios family watched the program at the Village Pizza House by clicking HERE

The questions asked for the tests were simple.

“Did Jake shoot himself in the head? That’s what this is all about,” Trimarco said, responding to a question from Dr. Phil, after Lewis and Bowers agreed to take the tests. “He either did, or he didn’t. It will be a ‘Yes’ or a ‘No.’” 

Dr. Phil met with Lewis and Bowers separately to reveal to them the results of their individual tests. Bowers called it a trap after Dr. Phil told her the test found she was being deceptive.

“I just feel as if I came on this show and got set up to do this ... you guys put whatever you want on a piece of paper,” she said. “It doesn’t work like that. This is my life. I didn’t lie.”

Dr. Phil: “Let me be clear: You’re accusing me of fabricating these results?”

Bowers: “This is for TV, right?”

Dr. Phil: “This is for a boy’s life.” Bowers: “This is for my life. I’m living, Dr. Phil.”

Dr. Phil told Bowers what he thought the results and her responses to them meant.

“You either know something that you’re not sharing, or you don’t know what your claiming to know,” he said. “That’s the only two ways to interpret this. If there’s something you know that you haven’t wanted to say, if there’s something you need to change or add ... .”

Bowers replied: “Jacob did this to himself. I don’t know how. I wish I knew, but I don’t.”

The camera fades away and Bowers appears to be alone on the set. She tilts her head back, looks up, and appears angry as she says, “Jacob why are you (expletive) doing this to me? Why did you do this? Thank you for making my life hell. Thank you.”

Lewis offered a more muted response upon learning the result of his polygraph test.

“I don’t know what to say,” he told Dr. Phil. “I can’t believe the results came back as deceptive.”

He, too, maintained Jake shot himself, after acknowledging scientific evidence that suggests Jacob could not have been holding the gun when it was fired.

“I know for a fact that he shot himself,” Lewis said. “I’m not lying to you. There’s nothing I’m not telling.”

Lie detector tests cannot be 100 percent accurate, and they are not admissible in court proceedings.

Meanwhile, a special Sandusky County grand jury took testimony Friday from Dr. Michael Baden, a former New York medical examiner who reviewed autopsy reports, witness statements and other evidence for the Ohio Attorney General’s office, which is heading up the grand jury proceedings.

Erie County Sheriff Paul Sigsworth and Erie County Chief Deputy Jared Oliver also testified on Friday.

It’s not clear whether Lewis, Bowers or Evan Neidler, a third person who was inside Bowers’ York Township home when Jake was killed, will be called to testify.

Bowers is out-of-state, according to a Facebook post that appears to be from her.

“While your are all talking s**t, I’m here in Florida laughing on the beach” the post states. “Good things happen to good people, guess my karma isn’t all that bad.”

Mike and Shannon Limberios and Kayleigh Bowers, who was Jacob’s girlfriend and is the mother of his daughter, Ella, and is Brittany Bowers’ sister, are expected to be witnesses for the grand jury next week.

Dr. Cyril Wecht, who also appeared on Friday’s “Dr. Phil” show, could also be called to testify. Wecht, another forensic pathologist who Dr. Phil called “the best of the best,” conducted an autopsy in September 2012 and determined Jacob was the victim of a homicide.

Watch a Between the Lines interview with Mike and Shannon Limberios with reaction to the program in the player below

Comments

fsand99

Heard from someone that knows the witnesses that will killed him. Did it for some pills in his pocket

Simple Enough II

If that is the case why isn't their lawyer mcgoofy talking to him/her?

Ctwhalers

they might be trying to find out who is so they can. Or could be maybe they already know and they have talked to him.

qmodye

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Commenter

If there is truth in that statement...I pray someone is trying to find out about this.

From the Grave

Stooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fsand99

I quoted Will from the day after it happened, word for word he said... "I witnessed the most tragic event right in front of me. I will never forget last night. I'm so sorry, Jake. I wish I could take back what happened. I wish we never picked him up. It's so hard not to blame myself, I love you all and I'm so sorry." Funny how he "can't remember" now, and why is he so sorry? He can't take back what happen? If it wasn't his fault there's nothing he can do.

The Bizness

This is crazy that this is on TV. The registers articles are funny as well. Witch hunt is on.

whattheBucks

Really biz ? Witch hunt ? I'm glad this is getting the attention it is because hopefully sooner then later the truth will come out and ALL of this can be put to rest. the Only witch hunt that should be going on right now is locating Brittany

WeThePeople1965

I haven't been reading much of this case, someone's guilty is my verdict so there's no reason for me to read further into the story. Anyway, Brittany's gone?

deertracker

Where's the witch hunt? All anyone wants is the truth. These kids are obviously not being totally honest. No one is looking to prosecute anyone. Usually when things don't make sense there is a lie somewhere!

bondgirlM

deertracker, While I understand that Shannon and Mike to not want to "prosecute" anyone and I totally get that. If it is found that this was indeed a homicide, which I also believe it was, an accidental homicide. No one group or individual persons can decide not to prosecute this case. It will in fact fall into the jurisdiction of the "State of Ohio" and they will be prosecuted. If not for manslaughter it will be for giving the police false information, tampering with evidence. Again, they will be prosecuted.

starryeyes83

Agreed. good points

The parents cannot have it both ways.

Unless they change the DC to "Accidental self - inflicted" or "UNintentional homicide" ... which may or may not pacify the insurance company.

.( WEd 11-20) Holy crap did I call the "accidental self inflicted" or what?

Ctwhalers

What witch hunt. You must be either close to one of the wittnesses if you say that or close to ones that botched this all up. Did you just read the first comment. There might be something to this.

bnjjad

Really? Because you can trust the people on this site to post truthful facts? they are just as admissible in court as the lie detector tests.

Ctwhalers

no you cannot always trust every thing to be truthful facts but from what I have heard this isn't the first time this is been brought up. I am NOT from the area but I keep up with people I know in the area keep me up to date on the facts and other things plus I check their page a lot

fsand99

I agree, but the person I heard it from is cousins with Brittany and I guess jake too!

whattheBucks

Admissible or not, bottom line is they are lying and jacob didnt shoot himself, if people are tired of the story our mad about dollars being spent direct your attention to the people lying ! May this continue till the truth be told

The Bizness

I have no dog in the fight. I see a media circus masquerading as truth seekers. I see ratings going up, and websites getting hits. Hopefully the family gets some peace but I doubt it will be through Dr. Phil.

Ctwhalers

how are they masquerading the truth? like I said I'm not from your state so I'm trying to learn things as I go about your state the way things are going on this case and what really happened all I have to go by is what they have on their page audio copies of the paperwork. Cause right now seems like they have more stuff in their favor.

bnjjad

Well that was a exercise in futility.

whattheBucks

Hey Brittany, you still laughing ?? You should change your name to karma, cause your both a b!tc# !

The Bizness

Was the show yesterday live? Cuz if not Brittany knew the results while typing her post.

whattheBucks

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Personal attacks (including: name calling, presumption of guilt or guilt by association, insensitivity, or picking fights).

whattheBucks

So Lewis and ms karma cry for two days about how upset they are and how their lives are being ruined by all this and it comes out that they both are lying, i hope that you both wake up everyday and its worse then the one before until the truth comes out, i hope this continues to eat at you and you have no peace until the truth be told. HEY WILL...come out come out wherever you are !?!?!?!?

Simple Enough II

And what if they state really happen? what does that make that? Oh yeah, the truth I forgot that along with you.

whattheBucks

Hey simple, this like your name is simple ! Its obvious they both lied, and why would will plead the 5th if he is innocent and had nothing to hide ?

Simple Enough II

Maybe he is smart enough to keep his mouth shut because maybe folks only believe what they want even though they weren't there when it happen?

Stop It

How can anyone take this seriously anymore? It's turned into a parody of itself. The ridiculous notion that being on 'Dr. Phil' helped to bring the attention it needed..........well,never mind.

xtensionofme

No surprise here - according to the results, both kids answers scored 8 out of 10 as far as being deceptive. If they'd scored in the "4" range, it might've been questionable, but according to the scale, both were being VERY deceptive, which is what most have thought all along. Why they did this on TV, however, is beyond me. There's no way they were going to get either of them to tell the truth, no matter WHERE they put those two! It's called "CYA."

whattheBucks

I'm sure jacob don't have texting in heaven and cant read our posts, but i hope whatever you are doing to Brittany you keep doing it until she tells the truth.. You can look to the heavens all you want Brittany, but the true answers are in your heart.. Look in the mirror not to heaven

Ehovemom

This has turned into a joke. Jake's family says that they know if was an accident and they just want to know what really happened. Jake's closest friends made up a story about the accident because they were young, stupid and scared. Whatever the "truth" is, it won't bring back Jake, it won't give Ella a father and it won't take the grief away from the family. It has turned into a media circus and now the people in that room will never speak out. FYI - Jake brought the gun, Jake was fooling around with the gun, and as the gun owner (or the person who brought it) he is equally responsible for what happened. Not responsible, but equally responsible. Let him rest in peace. Even if the truth ever comes out, the only possible charges are lying to an officer. It was an accident.

LadyC

The grieving family does need to have their instincts confirmed by experts, that it was not a suicide. To them, it is a very big deal, and makes a difference in what Ella is told about what happened to her father. The coroner in their area dropped the ball, and Suicide is right on the top of the death certificate. This won't bring back Jake, but the truth should be told and the death certificate corrected. And if one of those two did do it, should they get away with it?

Simple Enough II

So if a person handeling a firearm decides to. "Simulate " a scene from deer hunter, it is a conspiracy?

bmgasser

Ehovemom, zero of the three witnesses were Jake's friends, let alone "closest friends". Jake knew Will and Evan for a whopping 45 min before one of those three killed him. Jake was waiting for his two closest friends (myself and Chris VanScoy) so he could leave and we could hangout. The only reason he went there with the gun was to potentially sell it to Evan, which Brittany arranged. Jake lawfully owned that gun as it was a gift. I can speak all day about how responsibly Jacob was with firearms, and I'm not particularly a fan of guns. Jake's safety instructor said that he was exceptionally responsible and safe with firearms, and anyone that hardly knew Jake can tell you he loved his daughter enough to never do anything that cod leave her fatherless. Family and friends can't even begin to grieve until they know what happened, and Ella deserves to know the complete truth, especially who in her extended family lied. From a broader perspective, it is of upmost importance to give Jake's death meaning, and taking advantage of this opportunity to expose our broken justice and law enforcement system is a legacy fitting for Jake. The grand jury has the information that the public is not aware of, much of which screams that Jake did not do this. Say what you wish about the Dr. Phil show, but Justice for Jake has had a large role in getting to this point in regards to the AG investigation.

starryeyes83

The video showing him being reckless with the very same gun, with his finger on the trigger while pointing it down just blew your whole theory about Jacob being responsible.

BabyMomma

I feel like Ehovemoms breath must smell like farts cuz she's talking $h!t. Why shouldn't they all learn the truth?

Simple Enough II

Real nice, is this what the discussion is going to devolve into? Oh wait I forgot J4J.... yeah...

WeThePeople1965

You're an Ehove mom, as your name suggests. If your child was killed, god forbid, wouldn't you want to know what killed him/her, and if it was by another persons' hands, who killed him/her? Nothing really 'big' can come of the truth, other than the witnesses will be charged with perjury and there'll be a big uproar amongst everybody about how kids lie so much these days and gun control and how our local/state/federal justice system is corrupt. BUT, this case wont rest for the parents and loved ones until the truth comes out.

starryeyes83

Many of us said on, here, that going on this show was a waste of time - it certainly was a waste of news coverage and hard copy space. And we were right.

I don't know any of these folks, but Good Luck to the family in finding answers. I just don't believe they will.

It lost all credibility when the Phil show was mentioned.

I hope the guy got the ratings and advertising dollars he wanted.

This "saga" - or soap opera - or joke ... is JUST ONE of the reasons why I didn't renew my SR print subscription this month.

whattheBucks

So you didn't renew your print copy of SR, but you still read it on line for free and make comments.. Your point ??¿????

The Bizness

Point is the Sandusky Register is a joke, and we will continue to use this free site...because it's free. Plus they have those silly "articles" now, which are just advertisements.

starryeyes83

@ What the ...

Also the short on funds factor. Did you not read the " Just ONE of the reasons" part?

I bet you never have paid for any of it -- oh and BTW:

You're on here for FREE !!

whattheBucks

Yes i am but you don't see me complaining like you and biz.. If its such a joke then find something else to do unless all you like to do is completing, and so you know star, i have been buying the SR for 27 years

starryeyes83

Good for you, but see, you were "completing" when you replied to my first post.

P.S. oh, you fixed your typo.

whattheBucks

Hey star, thank you for noticing my auto correct mistake and bringing it up. Whew !!! It was supposed to say complaining. Earlier you stated you were short on funds. Why don't you go apply at the SR to be their proof reader for all misspelled words ? 1- you can earn funds 2- being employed by SR you may be able to negotiate (hope its spelled right) a FREE subscription

whattheBucks

Oooooops i take that back star, don't apply to the SR, in your response to my "completing" post above, you missed the second one that still says"completing" and not complaining... Your fired

starryeyes83

And you're quite the idiot, aren't you?

starryeyes83

You assume that I'm local. I'm not.

Yep, I pointed out your mistake -- just like you questioned my comment.

You're not very good at sarcasm.

whattheBucks

At what point did i ever assume you are local ?? Although now i am starting to believe you are. This is a sight for comments, you should see that "add new comment" box in big bold letters every time you do. Sorry there star this isn't a spelling bee. Please take that you being a complete idiot is not sarcasm !

whattheBucks

Sorry star that last comment wasn't supposed to say idiot, it should have said jacka$$

starryeyes83

Which refers to yourself quite nicely.

;} ;}

whattheBucks

Oooooooook star, i apologize but i have wasted way to much of my life already that i can never get back, commenting to you

starryeyes83

Whatthe,

YOU started it.

;] ;]

whattheBucks

YOU started it ??? What are you ten ? I need to refocus my attention, and i would hope you will also, hope you have a great day, and an even better tomorrow ( no sarcasm) :)

starryeyes83

You did, You replied to my first comment -why? I have no idea. You replied first, when there wasn't a reason to.

You just wanted to pick a fight.

feel better now.

mikesee

So they pass the Ohio Attorney General's test and fail one for a self gratifying tv show. I will stick with the investigating agency.

GoTimothy

We all know the truth the gunlobby labeled this as suicide because they don’t want gunowners to believe guns kill people. They are trying to set these two kids up for murder, to deflect attention on the fact that the gunlobby does not want to be sued by Jake’s parents for selling their son a defective gun, that will go off when dropped. We all know 1 million people died from Chernobyl but on paper no one died. Because it would hurt Nuclear power industries profits. No one died from tobacco, on record or the tobacco companies would be sued. No one died by gun accident on record or they would sue the gun makers for a defective product. Therefore everyone one of the 35,000 Americans who die every year from gun accidents, are labeled suicides or murders because the people are dead, they cannot prove they did not commit suicide, that their defective gun went off by accident. Therefore because the gunlobby labeled them as suicides or murderers the surviving family members cannot sue the gun manufacturers just like they can’t sue the tobacco companies were the nuclear power industry. The truth comes out and Dr. Phil knows it, but he can’t say anything or he will lose his TV show as the gunlobby and the NRA owns several newspapers and just about all of the broadcasting companies.

Simple Enough II

Look, I tried to follow you until your 1st incorrect statement : to correct you Jacob was the owner of the firearm, wishing to sell it. Please get the story straight.

Ctwhalers

I think some of you have it all wrong the attorney general never gave them one. they were sent by sandusky county if I am correct. But attorney general might over see it. But do you know how that one was given? Do you know what questions were asked? Do you know if they were asked what questions they want to be asked. But I have heard your BCI has made mistakes in the past. I get the feeling that some of you in your state feel that some of your higher ups can do no wrong that you have a pefect state. well wake up cause I don't think you do every state has people that do wrong and higher ups that do the same. We do in our state. But in our state we try to correct the situation not cover it up.

Simple Enough II

No one here has said our "higher ups" do not make mistakes, heck they are human and are supplied information by humans. The point here is that the J4J crew believe a massive conspiracy is going on all the way to the Sandusky courthouse and many of us say, nah, the kids were drinking, smoking and fooling around with a firearm and that is when stupid, tragic stuff happens, but the family and friends want their "shooter on the grassey knoll" explanation.

whattheBucks

I think the higher ups did nothing but make mistakes through this whole thing, I'm not to sure what they did right !?!? And they need to be held accountable. I think the family only wants and DESERVES the truth and the truth hasn't been told yet. And if you saw the dr.p show Brittany said that she didn't think Jacob even had one beer

whattheBucks

I think the higher ups did nothing but make mistakes through this whole thing, I'm not to sure what they did right !?!? And they need to be held accountable. I think the family only wants and DESERVES the truth and the truth hasn't been told yet. And if you saw the dr.p show Brittany said that she didn't think Jacob even had one beer

Ctwhalers

some of you on hear may say Dr Phil show was a waste of time but they're over 16,000 people and counting say you are wrong. there's a lot in my state that were glad they went on Dr Phil show draw national attention to a growing problem United States and around the world.

princedenny

To what national problem are you referring? The one where a person is irresponsible with their gun and it costs him his life?

Ctwhalers

what national problem am I referring to look all around the world look in the United States where there is lots of cover ups and wrongdoing by police officers for families are trying to find what really happened to their child look up justice for molly on facebook. look up justice for Sheena on Facebook. look up justice for Donna Jean awcock on Facebook. Justice for Robert on Facebook. Justice for Clayton Miller on Facebook.or if you do not have facebook Google them up.how is he irresponsible with his gun. Yes he brought it to the house to sell to Evan which everybody seems to leave out. but definitely check out justice for Molly pretty much the same thing that happened here is happening there. if the Dr Phil show any other show brings light to this problem and also help other families out and not let it happen to others then go for it..if you sit back and let it happen you're part of the problem not part of the solution.

grandmasgirl

I don't know what happened. I wasn't there. However, I do wonder if the witness's were lying why would they take another lie detector test (on TV) if they thought there was a possibility of flunking?

BabyMomma

Cockiness

Simple Enough II

Maybe because they were telling the truth?! Oh wait, I forgot it was cockiness as someone else stated..........My bad!

mikesee

The three witnesses have maintained their stories. It is easier to remember the truth than a lie. They have repeated their stories the same each time.

whattheBucks

To simple and mike..the kids stories do change and have from day one..i was standing here, no he was sitting there, i did see him shoot himself, no wait i just saw him fall to the ground, the only thing that they Keep constant is that Jake did it himself, and that is because the kids are scared and sticking together that "no matter what Jake did this" i witnessed something horrible 22 years ago and can remember it like yesterday with the details, i think its crap that a bunch of the details get switched around about standing sitting here there did or didn't actually see him.. If you actually SAW someone shoot themself i think you would remember the details a year + later, especially if you are reliving it everyday

deertracker

EXACTLY!!!!!!

kingj0n

They are in their low to mid 20s... They are not "kids"....
They weren't in their teens when it happened... I think one of them is 25(evan) right now.. Other is 21(brittany)... I could be wrong, but not by more than 1 year..

Ctwhalers

I have heard stories changed a couple of times even on Dr Phil show when you say you saw Jake shoot himself then you turn around later and say you heard a gunshot and did not see him shoot himself so you say story never chaged

Sal Dali

These two breezed through the first poly and expected more of the same and I'm sure they were surprised when they failed miserably. Considering these two witnesses have spun a web full of lies, pulling an 8 on the deception scale should have been no surprise to anyone else. As someone mentioned, it is easier to remember the truth. Confirming you're a liar on national television and know everyone you know is watching it would prompt a person to take a vacation hoping it will simmer down before you return. Florida isn't far enough anyway, its national television and people in Florida were tuned in too.

Speaking of Florida, if she would have gotten a subpena for this secret grand jury...wouldn't she need to remain a little closer than Florida?

Raising your head dramatically toward heaven and blaming Jake for your problems impressed no one; Jake didn't fail that polygraph, you two did. Thanks to your appearance on Dr. Phil, you can bet your classmates aren't the only ones talking badly about you now. My best advice would be to fess up and take responsibility for whatever you're lying about and get it over with. This is one black cloud that will forever hang over your heads until you do.

starryeyes83

It was Jacob's fault -- for playing around with a loaded weapon.

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J4J

red white and blue

Did anyone even pay attention when they told us at least 5 times if not more THEY DID NOT PASS THE FIRST TEST!!!! IT WAS INCONCLUSIVE.IT WAS LIKE THEY NEVER TOOK IT.THATS NOT A PASSING TEST!! please people if your going to draw any sence in this at least read the facts also there story has changed several times first will was sitting on the ottoman then the chair then brittany seen jake do it now she can't remember. I'm sure we will never find out. I have no dog in this race nor do I know any of these people but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize someone is not telling the whole story.

red white and blue

Oh and I allmost forgot J4J and god bless his parents and that little girl I'd also like to pray for that little girls mom this has to be hard for her to as well being right in the middle

A Young Adult's...

Everyone seems to ignore the fact that the questions of the lie detector test seemed targeted to generate the desired response. I don't have a dog in the fight and I hope justice is served to whoever is truly deserving.

The biggest point is that Jacob illegally owned the gun (under the age of 21) and was allegedly illegally selling it to Evan. Not enough attention is paid to Jacob for being partially responsible (rest in peace). I sincerely hope that the Limberios family is able to find something that abets them in obtaining closure and starting the grief process. If whatever closure arrives does not involve the witnesses knowing anything, then the family owes them a very sincere apology.

BabyMomma

Uncool.

Simple Enough II

I think he was allowed to own the gun as I think it was a gift, as for selling it, well stuff like that happens all the time atleast it wasn't a sale of a stolen firearm. Shame it happen, but you are right Jacob had set the wheels in motion and if did indeed pull the trigger on himself, then what does the family have left to say or whom to blame, but we are just going over the same arguments or comments, as nothing new has come out of all this has it?

Food For Thought

Just a little FYI. Everyone there violated quite a few Ohio Firearms laws. Listed below with the links to the appropriate site.

2923.16 Improperly handling firearms in a motor vehicle.
2923.15 Using weapons while intoxicated.
2923.20 Unlawful transaction in weapons.
2923.21 Improperly furnishing firearms to minor.

Just off the top of the head. Please remember that in Ohio "underage" when it comes to hand guns is less than 21 years of age. Can't really defend these things, the law is the law and it shows that there was a real lack of responsibility on everyone's part here.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923

deertracker

@A Young
Your biggest "point" is no point at all. No one is looking to make criminals out of the three witnesses so leave Jacob alone. The family does not owe these kids anything after they have REPEATEDLY LIED! There is only ONE version of the truth.

oheaglefl

Didn't anyone notice that Dr. Phil offered Will a lawyer if he needed one. He didn't do the same for Brittany, so I'm wondering if maybe there was more to the lie detector test then meets the eye. Also, while watching it, I kinda thought Will was looking a little guilty about it all. Just hope they find out the truth, that is what counts.

deertracker

I noticed. Will did seem as if he is ready to just say what happened and move on. Brittany seems to enjoy the attention and after accusing Dr. Phil of altering the test for TV he did right not to offer her any help. Wake up Will, all girls have the same anatomy as Brittany. Nothing special there!

1luckydog

May of missed some things in the posts......Why is it we hear of two witnesses? We know there are three, but what has happened to the third???? Something is not adding up!

kingj0n

The lawyer advised the 3rd witness to keep quiet... Sometimes, just talking can make you appear guilty, best to shut that hole from spewing silly stuff.

1luckydog

Why is it we hear of a third witness, but don't hear his testimony, or anything???? And after Fridays Dr Phil, makes me very suspicious..

rjk1915

Personally, I judge a comment, in part, by the degree of literacy.

red white and blue

The third witness HIGH PRICED LAWYER TOLD HIM NOT TO TALK.Now that's in it self says something and young adult we all know he had a gun it was there ya ya lets move on to the part were he gets shot and people are covering it up.When this all comes out they'll be alot of commenters on here changeing there tune! J4J!!!!!

Simple Enough II

Maybe the lawyer told him not to talk to protect him from civil suit, look at the witch hunt going on.

A Young Adult's...

RW&B doesn't understand that having a lawyer isn't an admission of guilt, apparently.

red white and blue

And yet you two wouldn't understand when someone is lying. Everytime something comes up with this story pointing towards brittany or will having something to do with this you find someway to defend them.If there a witch hunt it didn't start till the lying and cover up started.

A Young Adult's...

I have repeatedly said I have no fog in the fight, it's just the persecution of these three BEFORE being proven guilty of anything whatsoever is beyond ridiculous. Keep thinking you know all the facts whereas I know none and you will never be able to understand my rationale.

red white and blue

Young adult I understand more about a lawyer then you will ever know.

Truth or Dare

A question, should anyone have the answer; Is it true the 3rd. witness, the one that seems to be missing from this entire situation was/is in the Military?

Something, many things very wrong happened that day, accident or not, but I don't believe for one moment IT WAS AN ACCIDENTAL SUICIDE, nor should've been labeled as such and that something very wrong only continued w/LE, the SC Coroners, the Judges and the clear conflict of interest by the Prosecutor brought in!

Didn't need to watch the Dr. Phil show to feel the way I do. I've felt this way for quite some time now, especially reading about SCLE and their pattern involving other cases! All the family asked for was to have Jake's Death Certificate changed. They asked for an autopsy. Both refused! Pretty sure they, SC is regretting they didn't accommodate this family, as it's clearly evident what's taken place is referred to as C.Y.O.A., only in this case it's alot of arses, careers and county paychecks that should be where they belong, flushed down the toilet!

JUSTICE FOR JAKE AND ELLA! FYI; It also means justice for an entire County as well surrounding counties. Don't forget folks, you live in SC or a neighboring county and something questionable happens to you or a loved one, it's these Coroners that will determination our cause of death!

Kasey

He was honorably discharged from the Navy.

nosey rosey

Why would anyone believe the results of a "test" that is unreliable, inadmissible as accurate and applied by a company who's sole goal in life is to score ratings? The 15 minutes of fame have come and gone hours ago. How much did they get paid to appear?

Ctwhalers

from what I heard nobody gets paid on that show and as far as lie detector test that guy does it outside the show not only on the show from what I heard. It may not be inadmissible in court but if you look at the last results they had taken it was like they had taken a test at all. there are other people that look at the other lie detector test outside of sandusky county and your local bci. I am pretty sure that.

Informed

Studies have shown that polygraphs are between 80-92% valid. By itself, one could argue the case of the 8-20% invalid. But when you put it together with the scientific expert opinions and all the other issues with this case, there are so many red flags that one would be crazy not to doubt the witnesses statements. I could disregard one red flag, maybe two. But not one on top of another on top of another on top of another...

lmalley77

Somebody is covering for somebody else!!...There is no reason why both of them should have failed the lie detector test!....It seems the third party is the weak link, since he lawyered up and is refusing to talk!!.....I bet if they interrogate him, he would be the first to budge. The other two are playing Russian roulette with their freedom!....They think they can cover a lie forever...it only takes one big slip up!....Brittany already contradicted herself when she first said, "I heard a loud bang, so I turned and looked at the window area of my kitchen, and I expected to just see a bullet in the wall, but Instead I saw Jake on the floor!" Then she later says she did see Jake shoot himself....sooooooo if she saw him do it, why would she have turned her head expecting to "only see a bullet in the wall??"......Its not rocket science, but science and truth don't lie!...why would Jake yell out to them, " be careful, there's one still in the chamber," and then pick up the gun and "accidentally commit suicide!" It was Jakes gun, he was an adult and he had experience both handling that gun and firing it!...I find it hard to believe he would warn his friends to be careful and then pick up the gun and shoot himself!!..They also admit Jake wasn't drinking but they were...who would be more likely to have an accident happen, a sober firearms collector or a couple of drunk teens!?!?!?...It also seems that they feel untouchable right now, Brittany posting that she's laughing in Florida....I bet she is!!.. If you still think Jake killed himself by "accidental suicide," ask your self these questions. 1) Why would Jake do this when he was looking for a new home with his girlfriend the day before and the day of the shooting. 2) He loved his daughter so much, why would he cause her this kind of pain
3) There weren't any outward problems that Jake was dealing with, he was happy with his girlfriend and his daughter, his life! 4) why did the coroner not come to the scene of the accident and investigate it himself before ruling it an "accidental suicide?" 5) Why would the coroner, who never came to the scene, not do an autopsy to check for consistencies with the stories the witnesses were documented saying THAT night? 6) Why were NONE of the witnesses hands or clothing tested for gun powder residue? 7) Why were witnesses, specifically Brittany, allowed to change their bloody clothing and not give it to the police to match up blood splatter patterns? 8) Why were the witnesses shoes thrown away? 9) What is the third witness hiding that he had to lawyer up?...Makes one wonder if he is the real shooter or is he covering for one of the other two? 10) Why was the bullet that killed Jake not taken from the ceiling where it lodged, for weeks upon weeks? 11) How do two people who SWEAR they are telling the truth, end up failing a polygraph test!?!?!....It doesn't make sense!!...Need to get some real detectives working this case, not the boggled ones from Sandusky county, REAL ones...ones who will know how to break these liars down into telling the truth!!..And whomever said that this is all about name calling and bullying, you are mistaken sweety!!...The J4J page and the register have spoke nothing but the TRUTH!...Every piece of evidence (some of what I mentioned above), every obvious lack of police work in Sandusky county, it is all the truth. There is no name calling or cursing, it is informative and if you actually took the time to look into the cause and read into the evidence, you would see this isn't as much an open shut case as the "witnesses" and Sandusky county would like us all to believe!!....Somebody knows the truth, I just wonder if they all do, or did one tell the other two a story that happened when they weren't looking, so the other two just assume that must be how it happened?!?!?...I hope everyone gets answers soon, it wouldn't be justice for Jake or Ella if this gets swept under the rug AGAIN!!!! #justiceforjakeandella

A Young Adult's...

"Accidental suicide" would imply that he didn't mean to, thus making your questions #1-3 irrelevant.

lmalley77

My questions 1-3 are not irrelevant when you actually go back and look at statements from the "witnesses" inside the house with Jake that night. They stated that he "put the gun to his head and pulled the trigger!" I can't imagine him doing any such thing when my questions 1-3 are a fact! He would have never played Russian roulette with his own life, knowing that there was another bullet in the gun, as the "witnesses" stated he yelled to them right before he was shot!....I believe that Brittany is the one responsible due to her actions/reactions on the Dr. Phil show.....looking to the ceiling and asking Jake why he was "doing this to her," making her life "a living hell," SHE is the one making her life the way it is, all because she won't tell the truth!!...I can't wait until Jakes family has the truth, so that everyone who is so "tired of hearing about this witch hunt" can go rotate on their own thumbs!

A Young Adult's...

They are completely irrelevant because the witnesses said he was doing that with the gun as a joke. I wish everyone involved the best but I believe the Limberios should be more focused on Sandusky County and less focused on the three witnesses until they have any morsel of concrete evidence. I don't necessarily believe the witnesses are being 100% truthful but I feel that the manner they are being pressed is unconstitutional. Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"??? And by the way, the third witness "lawyering up" is in no way, shape or form an admission of guilt. It either means that he is hiding something OR he is telling the truth but terrified of being wrongfully accused/convicted for something in which he wasn't involved.

That being said, I feel awful for Jake's family. I hope they absolutely destroy Sandusky County for the ineptitude of their officials. Even I thought Brittany and Will appeared to be hiding something, but that could've just been nerves on TV. IF more concrete evidence arrives pointing to one of these three being deceitful, I will gladly recant my statements and stand by your opinion.

bmgasser

There is evidence that the public is not aware of...I'll leave it at that.

lmalley77

I didn't say that Evan lawyering up was an admission of guilt, only that he seems to be the weak link. I do agree with what you say, although I believe that him being the first to get a lawyer and refuse to speak to anyone somewhat suggests that he DOES know exactly what happened. Not saying he did it, only that he probably knows who did.
I appreciate the fact that you state if evidence comes out that Jake didn't kill himself, that you would recant your statement and stand by my opinion. I would do the same IF I am wrong as well.

I do, however, still feel that my questions 1-3 are relevant about this case, only because I don't think Jake would EVER do anything to hurt himself or hurt his daughter by him dying that night. It just doesn't make sense that he would bargain with his life that way!

I really wish Dr. Phil's show would have included the questions, "Did you shoot Jake, Did Will shoot Jake, and Did Evan shoot Jake" in their questioning on the polygraph test. Even though many people say it's not accurate, blah blah blah, I feel that it could have possibly shed some light as to who the detectives need to interrogate further!

I just hope that the truth does come out soon, so that Jake can rest in peace and the family can begin to try and heal.

bmgasser

"Accidental suicide" is not a legal choice for a death certificate.

lmalley77

Exactly Brady!!....How could they even rule that as the manner of death, it was either an accident or suicide, not both!!...But I honestly don't feel that it was either by the hands of Jake, but instead, it was either an accident or MURDER at the hands of one of the witnesses!!....Who knows, the family says that they KNOW it was an accident and they just want to know what happened, but WHAT IF it really wasn't and it was planned all along????.....I have seen many real detective shows on TV where the people in question make you believe it was something other than it was, and then thanks to GOOD police work, it is found out that it was COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND PLANNED by someone!!!

A Young Adult's...

I appreciate the back and forth and hope for only the best. Like I said, if the evidence "that the public is not aware of" comes out, I will happily recant my statements. I can only go off of what I know and don't pretend to be in the loop.

red white and blue

Truth or dare^^^^that is the best I herd anyone say it and young adult after you jumped on me about me spelling which by the way is in part because I type from a phone and sometimes get in a hurry to get out what I want to say.look at your last statement looks like you should join me in a english class!!!!

red white and blue

And lmalley77^^^ I couldn't agree more!!!!! J4J

fsand99

I quoted Will from the day after it happened, word for word he said... "I witnessed the most tragic event right in front of me. I will never forget last night. I'm so sorry, Jake. I wish I could take back what happened. I wish we never picked him up. It's so hard not to blame myself, I love you all and I'm so sorry." Funny how he "can't remember" now, and why is he so sorry? He can't take back what happen? If it wasn't his fault there's nothing he can do.

thirdiris3

First and foremost, my condolences to anyone who has suffered from this tragedy, including all the kids involved. It is hard to say exactly what happened due to some of the discrepancies in investigation; however, I do believe that Jake did NOT shoot himself based on the autopsy reports. I do believe that one or all of the kids involved know what happened and it truly was an accident.. perhaps it was horseplay.. goofing off and doing some kind of "gun slinging" something you'd see off an old western and the trigger accidentally went off.. Its obvious they are not telling the whole story, probably with the fear of being charged with murder they conspired a story to save them all from jail time. I think by the looks of the Dr. Phil interview that this burden is beginning to wear of them.. I pray for the parents, Jake's daughter, and for the kids that the truth comes out.. it will set them all free.