Witnesses fail lie detector tests

“Dr. Phil” segment comes to an end, family still doesn’t have answers
Sandusky Register Staff
Nov 16, 2013
Deceptive.

Results of lie detector tests two witnesses took during a taping of the “Dr. Phil” show found they are not telling the truth about how Jacob Limberios was killed.

Brittany Bowers and Will Lewis both failed the tests administered by former FBI polygraphist and special agent Jack Trimarco, according to information from the second of a two-day segment of the “Dr. Phil” program that aired Friday.

Watch as the Limberios family watched the program at the Village Pizza House by clicking HERE

The questions asked for the tests were simple.

“Did Jake shoot himself in the head? That’s what this is all about,” Trimarco said, responding to a question from Dr. Phil, after Lewis and Bowers agreed to take the tests. “He either did, or he didn’t. It will be a ‘Yes’ or a ‘No.’” 

Dr. Phil met with Lewis and Bowers separately to reveal to them the results of their individual tests. Bowers called it a trap after Dr. Phil told her the test found she was being deceptive.

“I just feel as if I came on this show and got set up to do this ... you guys put whatever you want on a piece of paper,” she said. “It doesn’t work like that. This is my life. I didn’t lie.”

Dr. Phil: “Let me be clear: You’re accusing me of fabricating these results?”

Bowers: “This is for TV, right?”

Dr. Phil: “This is for a boy’s life.” Bowers: “This is for my life. I’m living, Dr. Phil.”

Dr. Phil told Bowers what he thought the results and her responses to them meant.

“You either know something that you’re not sharing, or you don’t know what your claiming to know,” he said. “That’s the only two ways to interpret this. If there’s something you know that you haven’t wanted to say, if there’s something you need to change or add ... .”

Bowers replied: “Jacob did this to himself. I don’t know how. I wish I knew, but I don’t.”

The camera fades away and Bowers appears to be alone on the set. She tilts her head back, looks up, and appears angry as she says, “Jacob why are you (expletive) doing this to me? Why did you do this? Thank you for making my life hell. Thank you.”

Lewis offered a more muted response upon learning the result of his polygraph test.

“I don’t know what to say,” he told Dr. Phil. “I can’t believe the results came back as deceptive.”

He, too, maintained Jake shot himself, after acknowledging scientific evidence that suggests Jacob could not have been holding the gun when it was fired.

“I know for a fact that he shot himself,” Lewis said. “I’m not lying to you. There’s nothing I’m not telling.”

Lie detector tests cannot be 100 percent accurate, and they are not admissible in court proceedings.

Meanwhile, a special Sandusky County grand jury took testimony Friday from Dr. Michael Baden, a former New York medical examiner who reviewed autopsy reports, witness statements and other evidence for the Ohio Attorney General’s office, which is heading up the grand jury proceedings.

Erie County Sheriff Paul Sigsworth and Erie County Chief Deputy Jared Oliver also testified on Friday.

It’s not clear whether Lewis, Bowers or Evan Neidler, a third person who was inside Bowers’ York Township home when Jake was killed, will be called to testify.

Bowers is out-of-state, according to a Facebook post that appears to be from her.

“While your are all talking s**t, I’m here in Florida laughing on the beach” the post states. “Good things happen to good people, guess my karma isn’t all that bad.”

Mike and Shannon Limberios and Kayleigh Bowers, who was Jacob’s girlfriend and is the mother of his daughter, Ella, and is Brittany Bowers’ sister, are expected to be witnesses for the grand jury next week.

Dr. Cyril Wecht, who also appeared on Friday’s “Dr. Phil” show, could also be called to testify. Wecht, another forensic pathologist who Dr. Phil called “the best of the best,” conducted an autopsy in September 2012 and determined Jacob was the victim of a homicide.

Watch a Between the Lines interview with Mike and Shannon Limberios with reaction to the program in the player below

Comments

Simple Enough II

No one here has said our "higher ups" do not make mistakes, heck they are human and are supplied information by humans. The point here is that the J4J crew believe a massive conspiracy is going on all the way to the Sandusky courthouse and many of us say, nah, the kids were drinking, smoking and fooling around with a firearm and that is when stupid, tragic stuff happens, but the family and friends want their "shooter on the grassey knoll" explanation.

whattheBucks

I think the higher ups did nothing but make mistakes through this whole thing, I'm not to sure what they did right !?!? And they need to be held accountable. I think the family only wants and DESERVES the truth and the truth hasn't been told yet. And if you saw the dr.p show Brittany said that she didn't think Jacob even had one beer

whattheBucks

I think the higher ups did nothing but make mistakes through this whole thing, I'm not to sure what they did right !?!? And they need to be held accountable. I think the family only wants and DESERVES the truth and the truth hasn't been told yet. And if you saw the dr.p show Brittany said that she didn't think Jacob even had one beer

Ctwhalers

some of you on hear may say Dr Phil show was a waste of time but they're over 16,000 people and counting say you are wrong. there's a lot in my state that were glad they went on Dr Phil show draw national attention to a growing problem United States and around the world.

princedenny

To what national problem are you referring? The one where a person is irresponsible with their gun and it costs him his life?

Ctwhalers

what national problem am I referring to look all around the world look in the United States where there is lots of cover ups and wrongdoing by police officers for families are trying to find what really happened to their child look up justice for molly on facebook. look up justice for Sheena on Facebook. look up justice for Donna Jean awcock on Facebook. Justice for Robert on Facebook. Justice for Clayton Miller on Facebook.or if you do not have facebook Google them up.how is he irresponsible with his gun. Yes he brought it to the house to sell to Evan which everybody seems to leave out. but definitely check out justice for Molly pretty much the same thing that happened here is happening there. if the Dr Phil show any other show brings light to this problem and also help other families out and not let it happen to others then go for it..if you sit back and let it happen you're part of the problem not part of the solution.

grandmasgirl

I don't know what happened. I wasn't there. However, I do wonder if the witness's were lying why would they take another lie detector test (on TV) if they thought there was a possibility of flunking?

BabyMomma

Cockiness

Simple Enough II

Maybe because they were telling the truth?! Oh wait, I forgot it was cockiness as someone else stated..........My bad!

mikesee

The three witnesses have maintained their stories. It is easier to remember the truth than a lie. They have repeated their stories the same each time.

whattheBucks

To simple and mike..the kids stories do change and have from day one..i was standing here, no he was sitting there, i did see him shoot himself, no wait i just saw him fall to the ground, the only thing that they Keep constant is that Jake did it himself, and that is because the kids are scared and sticking together that "no matter what Jake did this" i witnessed something horrible 22 years ago and can remember it like yesterday with the details, i think its crap that a bunch of the details get switched around about standing sitting here there did or didn't actually see him.. If you actually SAW someone shoot themself i think you would remember the details a year + later, especially if you are reliving it everyday

deertracker

EXACTLY!!!!!!

kingj0n

They are in their low to mid 20s... They are not "kids"....
They weren't in their teens when it happened... I think one of them is 25(evan) right now.. Other is 21(brittany)... I could be wrong, but not by more than 1 year..

Ctwhalers

I have heard stories changed a couple of times even on Dr Phil show when you say you saw Jake shoot himself then you turn around later and say you heard a gunshot and did not see him shoot himself so you say story never chaged

Sal Dali

These two breezed through the first poly and expected more of the same and I'm sure they were surprised when they failed miserably. Considering these two witnesses have spun a web full of lies, pulling an 8 on the deception scale should have been no surprise to anyone else. As someone mentioned, it is easier to remember the truth. Confirming you're a liar on national television and know everyone you know is watching it would prompt a person to take a vacation hoping it will simmer down before you return. Florida isn't far enough anyway, its national television and people in Florida were tuned in too.

Speaking of Florida, if she would have gotten a subpena for this secret grand jury...wouldn't she need to remain a little closer than Florida?

Raising your head dramatically toward heaven and blaming Jake for your problems impressed no one; Jake didn't fail that polygraph, you two did. Thanks to your appearance on Dr. Phil, you can bet your classmates aren't the only ones talking badly about you now. My best advice would be to fess up and take responsibility for whatever you're lying about and get it over with. This is one black cloud that will forever hang over your heads until you do.

starryeyes83

It was Jacob's fault -- for playing around with a loaded weapon.

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J4J

red white and blue

Did anyone even pay attention when they told us at least 5 times if not more THEY DID NOT PASS THE FIRST TEST!!!! IT WAS INCONCLUSIVE.IT WAS LIKE THEY NEVER TOOK IT.THATS NOT A PASSING TEST!! please people if your going to draw any sence in this at least read the facts also there story has changed several times first will was sitting on the ottoman then the chair then brittany seen jake do it now she can't remember. I'm sure we will never find out. I have no dog in this race nor do I know any of these people but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize someone is not telling the whole story.

red white and blue

Oh and I allmost forgot J4J and god bless his parents and that little girl I'd also like to pray for that little girls mom this has to be hard for her to as well being right in the middle

A Young Adult's...

Everyone seems to ignore the fact that the questions of the lie detector test seemed targeted to generate the desired response. I don't have a dog in the fight and I hope justice is served to whoever is truly deserving.

The biggest point is that Jacob illegally owned the gun (under the age of 21) and was allegedly illegally selling it to Evan. Not enough attention is paid to Jacob for being partially responsible (rest in peace). I sincerely hope that the Limberios family is able to find something that abets them in obtaining closure and starting the grief process. If whatever closure arrives does not involve the witnesses knowing anything, then the family owes them a very sincere apology.

BabyMomma

Uncool.

Simple Enough II

I think he was allowed to own the gun as I think it was a gift, as for selling it, well stuff like that happens all the time atleast it wasn't a sale of a stolen firearm. Shame it happen, but you are right Jacob had set the wheels in motion and if did indeed pull the trigger on himself, then what does the family have left to say or whom to blame, but we are just going over the same arguments or comments, as nothing new has come out of all this has it?

Food For Thought

Just a little FYI. Everyone there violated quite a few Ohio Firearms laws. Listed below with the links to the appropriate site.

2923.16 Improperly handling firearms in a motor vehicle.
2923.15 Using weapons while intoxicated.
2923.20 Unlawful transaction in weapons.
2923.21 Improperly furnishing firearms to minor.

Just off the top of the head. Please remember that in Ohio "underage" when it comes to hand guns is less than 21 years of age. Can't really defend these things, the law is the law and it shows that there was a real lack of responsibility on everyone's part here.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923

deertracker

@A Young
Your biggest "point" is no point at all. No one is looking to make criminals out of the three witnesses so leave Jacob alone. The family does not owe these kids anything after they have REPEATEDLY LIED! There is only ONE version of the truth.

oheaglefl

Didn't anyone notice that Dr. Phil offered Will a lawyer if he needed one. He didn't do the same for Brittany, so I'm wondering if maybe there was more to the lie detector test then meets the eye. Also, while watching it, I kinda thought Will was looking a little guilty about it all. Just hope they find out the truth, that is what counts.

deertracker

I noticed. Will did seem as if he is ready to just say what happened and move on. Brittany seems to enjoy the attention and after accusing Dr. Phil of altering the test for TV he did right not to offer her any help. Wake up Will, all girls have the same anatomy as Brittany. Nothing special there!

1luckydog

May of missed some things in the posts......Why is it we hear of two witnesses? We know there are three, but what has happened to the third???? Something is not adding up!

kingj0n

The lawyer advised the 3rd witness to keep quiet... Sometimes, just talking can make you appear guilty, best to shut that hole from spewing silly stuff.

1luckydog

Why is it we hear of a third witness, but don't hear his testimony, or anything???? And after Fridays Dr Phil, makes me very suspicious..

rjk1915

Personally, I judge a comment, in part, by the degree of literacy.

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